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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jun 7, 2016 16:26:36 GMT -8
Byrgenwerth is an old place of learning. And the tomb of the gods, carved out below Yharnam, should be familiar to every hunter. Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb. This led to the founding of the Healing Church, and the establishment of blood healing. In this sense, everything sacred in Yharnam can be traced back to Byrgenwerth. But today, the college lies deep within a tangled wood, abandoned and decrepit. And furthermore, the Healing Church has declared Byrgenwerth forbidden ground. It's unclear how many of its scholars remain alive...
Your goal is to convert every living player into a Kin of the Cosmos to herald the arrival of your masters, The Great Ones. However, the Healing Church wants every trace of The Old Blood eradicated will hunt you along with the people of Yharnam who would abhor your vile rituals were they to know of them. For now, you operate under cover of secrecy. See to it that you stay that way.
Some fake claims in case you find yourself in a dire situation:
The Executioners' Martyr The Vileblood Queen The Eastern Wanderer
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Post by Mazre on Jun 7, 2016 18:09:02 GMT -8
Sup friends.
Looks like I'm Micolash
Welcome, Mazre. The Blood tells me that you are The Host of the Nightmare. You are aligned with the School of Mensis. (That means you worship the Old Ones.)
The Old Ones wish you to bring more people into the fold, to be the harbingers of their glorious resurrection. You will be their tools in this endeavor.
You are not alone. Your partners are johnnyquicknives and Hobohodo.
You win the game by converting all players to the ways of the Old Ones. Each night, you may PM ScraftyDevil with the command WHISPER: <NAME>, <NAME> to give two players 2 KB points apiece. Once a player has received a total of 6 KB, they will be transformed into Kin of the Cosmos and bring you one step closer to erasing the world’s dreadful ignorance.
You win once every remaining player who is not a member of the School of Mensis has been transformed.
Interesting to note I apparently don't have a kill action. Betting even odds there is more than one non-town faction.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 8, 2016 1:25:17 GMT -8
Hey both,
Are we cool to just dump out PM's into this thread? I feel like there was restrictions on that at one point. I assume so as Mazre has but just wanna be sure beforehand.
I hope we can as my role PM is loooong.
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 8, 2016 4:55:03 GMT -8
Hey guys,
Yeah my guess was that we aren't the classic mafia faction.
I am The Kidnapper, which looks kind of like a role blocker.
Each night, you may PM ScraftyDevil with the command JAIL: <NAME>. This will prevent the targeted player from using any of their night actions, but will also protect them from any killing commands. Also, the targeted player will receive 1 KB point.
Hopefully hobo has another efficient way of spreading some KB or it seems like it could be slow progress!
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Post by Mazre on Jun 8, 2016 7:54:47 GMT -8
So scrafty / retro, do kin join our faction? Do they get a new role, access to our chat, lose their old abilities and allegiances? Can I whisper to johnny's target on the same night?
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jun 8, 2016 7:57:59 GMT -8
Nothing changes beyond the physical form. They, like all men, will still strive towards their own personal gain above all else.
And no, the Kidnapper's target is immune to the effects of other powers, including your own twisted mumblings.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 8, 2016 8:13:56 GMT -8
Okay then, so I'm the Scholar and out the gate I actually can't do anything, but in return I've been given some information.
Firstly if we are able to turn the the being known as 'the Moon Presence' I will gain a one shot ability to add 6KP to anyone. Secondly if the Host of Nightmare dies then I can give one player 1KP per night. Thirdly if both of you die then I can give one player 2KP per night.
Lastly anyone who dwells in Oedon Chapel are more susceptible to our influence. If any of us target these players they will be given double KP points by our actions.
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Post by Retro on Jun 8, 2016 8:50:38 GMT -8
I have a few notes for you who reside in this area. -No matter how many or how few your words are, no one will mark them. You may speak as oft or as little as you wish. Should you find otherwise, send me word with haste. -Your words will not escape these walls to ears outside. Only those within this place will ever hear you. -This is a place of refuge for your kind. In plain English: -Your posts in here will not increase your displayed post count. If you notice otherwise, PM me immediately. -Only people who already have access to this chat can search your posts. -You are as safe as we can make you.
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Post by Mazre on Jun 8, 2016 13:46:04 GMT -8
Good info all around. So we clearly seem to be a neutral faction, though town still has to get rid of us by my reading of their win condition. By my understanding we could end up in a situation with no scum just us and town and the game would continue till we converted everyone or were ourselves eliminated.
Will we be informed of players KB point levels as the game progresses or do we have to attempt to track as best we can? Are players notified when I whisper them? Are they notified of their KB points?
Johnny, yes you're a role blocker variant referred to as a jailer. You block them from acting and according to scrafty from being acted upon (not just killed apparently). This is somewhat good for us as that's usually a town role, you'll just need to come up with a flavor name to sell it if push comes to shove and you have to claim (Kidnapper definitely sounds scummy.) Hobo can probably pass off as a villager if need be. If I have to I'll probably need to claim swapper or get creative, would be very inconvenient if I get tracked (and with hunters being abundant in bloodborne I would not be surprised if there's one out there.)
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 8, 2016 17:02:22 GMT -8
Yeah I'll try and come up with something believably bloodborne-y in case it comes down to that. The fact that we seem to be neutralish should help us blend in a bit since, for the most part, we can genuinely try and hunt scum.
Retro, Can I jail hobo/mazre/myself to avoid night kills?
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jun 8, 2016 18:00:15 GMT -8
Retro is not the one you should be asking  You can jail your teammates but that also prevents them from using their night actions so do it at your own risk. Additionally, I've provided you with three fake roleclaims in the OP so use those as a starting point if you have to.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 9, 2016 7:32:51 GMT -8
Hope that nothing comes of this line of accusation from Kris and Zipped. It amuses me that Kris built up a narrative from my first post when all I thought was 'huh that's not right'. I'd have always brought that up regardless of allegiance.
Been thinking about the whole Camjo thing with the copying Sorians posts and trying to think why he would do that. He says it's just for fun but I'm wondering if he's used it as a way to suggest there isn't a link between him and another player. If he was Mafia (or anyone who has a partner) then he would likely have shared his whole copying Sorians post thing with them. Being called out on this by a teammate (in this case weemadarthur) could be a way of setting up a scenario where they can point back at this and go 'see we didn't know that about each other!' The player he spoke to the most during his copying Sorian phase was squidy and it seems strange to me that squidy didn't question Camjo on the 'new player' comment even though he quoted that post. Just feel like it's something he may have questioned at the very least.
Choosing to just voice this here for now as Kris and Zipped are pushing for me and I'm sure they would use this as proof that I'm desperate or something.
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Post by Retro on Jun 9, 2016 10:22:12 GMT -8
Retro is not the one you should be asking Yeah, just to be super clear, I'm here to help Scrafty, but she is your gamerunner, and is best equipped to answer any actual questions you have. If you can't reach her, you can ask me, but I'll most likely just turn around and ask her.
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 9, 2016 13:21:26 GMT -8
Sorry Scrafty! Retro had just made the last post so I dropped his name.
I think you'll be alright Hobo, noone except Kris seems to really be biting and he's all over the place.
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Post by Mazre on Jun 9, 2016 14:23:59 GMT -8
Random speculation (might as well since there's no penalty for speculation here)
We've been told this game has above average complexity. Hobo's role info about Oedon Chapel has definitely stuck out to me more as some time has passed. Do we think that's just a characteristic of certain roles or is it more indicative of a potential faction? We'll need more info to be sure one way or another but again town/scum/us/other wouldn't surprise me.
Question for Scrafty: I assumed earlier but if possible would like confirmation, is the School of Mensis a 'threat' to the town of Yharnam? Is our removal a requirement for town to win?
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jun 9, 2016 14:26:38 GMT -8
Yes. Town needs to be rid of you before they are all converted into Kin of the Cosmos in order to claim victory.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 9, 2016 14:35:49 GMT -8
I've looked at my role PM again to check wording but it can be seen both ways. Those who dwell in the chapel initially lead me to see it as a faction as the flavour makes it sound like they live there. But it also describes them as those that have access. Having access to a place doesn't mean you live there so maybe it is more individual and some players may or may not be In the chapel on certain nights depending on there actions.
I do wonder if there is some other factor that helps us spread KP we aren't aware of. If only a small number of players are under the influence of the chapel we are going to be spreading KP real slow, especially as you pair can't target the same person to stack it. Currently we would be looking at 3 nights to convert without influence or two with, and that's assuming we are successful with our actions
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Post by Mazre on Jun 9, 2016 14:45:57 GMT -8
Good points Hobo. We're in an odd position as neutral/diet-scum faction. Assuming there is a proper night-killing scum faction they're likely our biggest threat, and working to lynch them while converting suspected town we think will have longevity appears to be our path forward.
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 9, 2016 14:47:49 GMT -8
It would be pretty on theme if one player was the odeon chapel dweller and they were able to invite someone each night into the chapel. It would be pretty much a mirror of my role, and it could potentially put the 2 players into a private chat just for that night?
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 9, 2016 14:57:17 GMT -8
Don't bring up private night time chats, they didn't serve me well in Animal Crossing...it's a good idea though, but much like Animal Crossinf I would expect more than one player to have that sort of roll of it was going to help us out. Or if it was only one person them to almost keep adding people to the chapel over time so that as the game progresses we can speead the KP at a faster pace. But would a private chat like that really keep growing...maybe it could be a limited number if it is a chat.
Scrafty, will players be notified that they have been given KP or converted to Moon Kin? I don't mean it like a tracker but just getting a PM that says 'You got 2KP last night, sucks to be you right?'
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 9, 2016 15:09:13 GMT -8
Yeah, I was just thinking that if it was on theme it would be likely that people would be safe in the chapel (it would be like my jail: they're safe but can't take an action). If thats the case I would imagine only one person could be in there at a time.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 9, 2016 15:11:26 GMT -8
Ahh okay, not got a clue about the lore of Bloodborne. I beat Father Gascoinge and then stopped for some reason. But yeah if it acts as haven can't imagine it would grow in number,
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jun 9, 2016 15:26:52 GMT -8
Scrafty, will players be notified that they have been given KP or converted to Moon Kin? I don't mean it like a tracker but just getting a PM that says 'You got 2KP last night, sucks to be you right?' Who's to say? Do you think that primitive humans were aware of their progress as they inched ever-closer to the next evolutionary stage?
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 9, 2016 15:33:06 GMT -8
Scrafty, will players be notified that they have been given KP or converted to Moon Kin? I don't mean it like a tracker but just getting a PM that says 'You got 2KP last night, sucks to be you right?' Who's to say? Do you think that primitive humans were aware of their progress as they inched ever-closer to the next evolutionary stage? Maybe...? I'll that this is the best answer I'm going to get.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 11, 2016 15:03:49 GMT -8
Well we had Oedon chapel get name dropped in the thread. Could be good for us if it isn't just flavour?
As I said I haven't played Bloodborne enough to get there but don't the later lovecraftian enemies have loads of eyes? Kriss has used eyes a few times in his posts in ways that stood out to me. Could he be breadcrumbing?
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Post by johnnyquicknives on Jun 11, 2016 19:45:00 GMT -8
I think there are probably a decent amount of roles that are lore related so Scrafty is throwing out these bits so that people who arent familiar with the game have a feel for the world in general and certain role events make more sense.
I don't think the messages themselves actually trigger anything (at least this far) and while some no doubt relate to roles (ie Oedon Chapel) I'm sure some are just flavour.
Yeah, there are definitely a number of eye heavy enemies in the game. I hadn't noticed it in Kriss's posts but I'll look out for it.
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Post by Mazre on Jun 12, 2016 8:09:47 GMT -8
Kris may be breadcrumbing but most characters interested in 'eyes' would probably be classified as not aligned with town, the exception may be Willem but even that would be subject to how Scrafty is interpreting and adapting the games lore. That would argue against them being breadcrumbs and for Kris just getting into the lore. Unless of course he's hiddden scum trying to signal other scum.
I'm guessing that the healing church is likely our scum faction. They would most likely be in competition with Mensis but also pulling the strings among the townsfolk.
I feel Scrafty's posts so far have been pure flavor like Retro's broadcasts in Nightvale.
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Post by Mazre on Jun 12, 2016 11:00:04 GMT -8
So we need to start thinking towards are night 1 actions. Who are you guys reading as town, and likely to stick around? Is there anyone we think has a power that we should try and block or conversely anyone worth protecting?
I think roy, neverforever, weemad, kalor and ezekel are my lean towns at the moment, seath tends to be sticky at the minimum
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 12, 2016 11:05:28 GMT -8
So we need to start thinking towards are night 1 actions. Who are you guys reading as town, and likely to stick around? Is there anyone we think has a power that we should try and block or conversely anyone worth protecting? I think roy, neverforever, weemad, kalor and ezekel are my lean towns at the moment, seath tends to be sticky at the minimum I'll need to do a re-read of the thread to get a better feeling (tend to relate the avatars as much as the names and haven't made many notes yet) but I'd agree with Roy and kalor.
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Post by hobohodo on Jun 12, 2016 13:28:23 GMT -8
Oh wow, actually got a maf
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