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Post by cabot on May 12, 2016 22:49:43 GMT -8
He's a role cop though, and has already checked the two remaining scum. He might catch out Flush, but Gorlak will be trickier. |
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Post by Splinter on May 12, 2016 23:41:28 GMT -8
Let's spend one day lynching Kawl, otherwise he'll bring lylo forward by one day!!
Nope, completely pointless. If you think Kawl is scum then fair enough, but no one is really pushing that angle.
You have 2 lynches left, if you miss with both then you would have lost anyway.
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Post by Splinter on May 12, 2016 23:43:39 GMT -8
OTOH, if he claims role cop for any other reason but to catch Flush/Gorlak, he's toast. It's such a scummy role and I think this town would treat it as the "last straw"
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Post by cabot on May 13, 2016 0:30:03 GMT -8
I don't like FEP's whole 'let's just turbo Kawl' attitude.
For a town guy, he's being pretty anti-town.
Why does FEP think Kawl is scum anyhoo? if he watched Gorlak and saw Kawl (no one else) and there was a NK that night, whats his justification? It points to town more surely.
Kawl's already trying to probe Flush on the fruit. Interesting if he'll claim outright.
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Post by cabot on May 13, 2016 1:29:51 GMT -8
Did I read correctly?
Did Gorlak say he'd be up for a mass claim today then immediately post saying lynching Kawl and mass claiming the next day is a good idea?
I'm confused.
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 6:00:01 GMT -8
This day is going to come down to who claims first. The fruit vender is already making plans to lie on their role.
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Post by nukedeggs on May 13, 2016 7:08:23 GMT -8
Yeah I'm not really getting FEP here but it looks like Gorlak has safely ensconced himself as someone who the majority of people see as towniest town...I don't think town is going to get him this game lol
Also wait both scum have bananas?
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Post by crimsonfist on May 13, 2016 7:20:40 GMT -8
So fruit vendor will be caught if they lie and claim before Kawl then?
And I'd guess that the other scum would be a role blocker? So that would make them pretty obvious.
Or if the role cop gets names, seems like there's a bit of a trend there which should give away who scum is.
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 7:27:31 GMT -8
Role cop is just getting role names and nothing alignment indicative (he also is aware of this, it was his first question) The two remaining scum are Ordinary and Fruit Vendor and he has gotten both of those results. The trouble with Gorlak is it's hard to lynch a known ordinary |
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Post by nukedeggs on May 13, 2016 7:30:03 GMT -8
Oh man, if Sophia gets lynched, ppl will probably go for Flame tomorrow...and then town gets rekt. Man scum is too good this game. I'm totally scratching my head on how to even find scum. It feels like a lot of the time town is scummier than scum.
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Post by nukedeggs on May 13, 2016 7:32:56 GMT -8
Role cop is just getting role names and nothing alignment indicative (he also is aware of this, it was his first question) The two remaining scum are Ordinary and Fruit Vendor and he has gotten both of those results. The trouble with Gorlak is it's hard to lynch a known ordinary Wait scum gives out bananas? Whaaaaat that seems crazy. Can't they just avoid lynching all the time by giving themselves bananas, or am I missing something here? |
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Post by crimsonfist on May 13, 2016 8:07:08 GMT -8
Would Gorlak claim ordinary though after all the discussion about all the ordinaries being scummy? If he claims before the cop ofc. |
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Post by nukedeggs on May 13, 2016 8:07:11 GMT -8
Hmmm, how do people find scum anyways? Admittedly, I've only played in two games, but it seems like a lot of the common slip ups and gotchas are all perpetrated by town. Even voting patterns are unreliable I think - someone changing their mind, someone making a weird vote, someone making a hasty vote, someone jumping on a bandwagon, all of these are actions that a town person can do just as well as scum.
Plus, since a lot of the time town does anti-town stuff, it's easy for a scum to point at scummy things a town does and say, "hey, look at this scum." Conviction, lack of conviction, belief in someone being scum or not, genuineness, distance, logical arguments, all of these also seem dependent on player rather than alignment. I guess the main factor that would allow for a town victory would be power roles giving information to town.
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 8:28:44 GMT -8
Role cop is just getting role names and nothing alignment indicative (he also is aware of this, it was his first question) The two remaining scum are Ordinary and Fruit Vendor and he has gotten both of those results. The trouble with Gorlak is it's hard to lynch a known ordinary Wait scum gives out bananas? Whaaaaat that seems crazy. Can't they just avoid lynching all the time by giving themselves bananas, or am I missing something here? The stipulations on the fruit vendor are as follows
-They HAVE to give one out each day. -Neither the giver nor the receiver knows what it does -No one is allowed to get a banana again until all other living players have also received one. -Fruit vendor can self target |
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Post by palmer on May 13, 2016 8:34:18 GMT -8
Nah, there are definitely ways to catch scum based on voting, but it doesn't help if town is self-sabotaging. Scum posting also tend to be more non-commital, and willing to get side tracked. It's hard to be an active, helpful, scum member.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 13, 2016 8:35:51 GMT -8
Hmmm, how do people find scum anyways? Admittedly, I've only played in two games, but it seems like a lot of the common slip ups and gotchas are all perpetrated by town. Even voting patterns are unreliable I think - someone changing their mind, someone making a weird vote, someone making a hasty vote, someone jumping on a bandwagon, all of these are actions that a town person can do just as well as scum. Plus, since a lot of the time town does anti-town stuff, it's easy for a scum to point at scummy things a town does and say, "hey, look at this scum." Conviction, lack of conviction, belief in someone being scum or not, genuineness, distance, logical arguments, all of these also seem dependent on player rather than alignment. I guess the main factor that would allow for a town victory would be power roles giving information to town. All vanilla games are normally won by scum. But I do think that it is often fairly obvious when someone is town pushing bad/odd logic, especially if you've played with them before. I was never really sold on Sophia as a lynch after seeing her play in Gods for example. |
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 8:35:58 GMT -8
Hmmm, how do people find scum anyways? Admittedly, I've only played in two games, but it seems like a lot of the common slip ups and gotchas are all perpetrated by town. Even voting patterns are unreliable I think - someone changing their mind, someone making a weird vote, someone making a hasty vote, someone jumping on a bandwagon, all of these are actions that a town person can do just as well as scum. Plus, since a lot of the time town does anti-town stuff, it's easy for a scum to point at scummy things a town does and say, "hey, look at this scum." Conviction, lack of conviction, belief in someone being scum or not, genuineness, distance, logical arguments, all of these also seem dependent on player rather than alignment. I guess the main factor that would allow for a town victory would be power roles giving information to town. GAF is known for doing a lot of stupid plays so you are right that the scummy behavior seen could just be town as likely as scum. I've found the best way to find scum is too watch the voting patterns, especially the patterns near the end of the day. If any scum are in danger but not to the degree where a lynch is guaranteed then the teammates will usually try to scramble things a bit to move votes away. It can be very subtle but it happens. The tell on Gorlak is from day 2 when Zipped got lynched. Sure, he switched to Zipped at that last moment and everyone town read that but if you read the whole day, you'll notice that Gorlak jumped on and off of Zipped multiple times and he did that because he wasn't reading the room well and kept thinking Zipped was a definite lynch when it wasn't the case, his teammates would remind him of this, he would leave the vote, someone would bring up Zipped again, he would get worried and try to bus, repeat.
As for Royal, he's actually been pretty good about not linking himself to anyone in particular. He'll either get caught in a lie because someone else in the game already knows his role OR they should just be pushing him more because he didn't vote on D3.
Edit: Purposely dropped out of spoiler tags.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 13, 2016 10:59:27 GMT -8
Hmmm, how do people find scum anyways? Admittedly, I've only played in two games, but it seems like a lot of the common slip ups and gotchas are all perpetrated by town. Even voting patterns are unreliable I think - someone changing their mind, someone making a weird vote, someone making a hasty vote, someone jumping on a bandwagon, all of these are actions that a town person can do just as well as scum. Plus, since a lot of the time town does anti-town stuff, it's easy for a scum to point at scummy things a town does and say, "hey, look at this scum." Conviction, lack of conviction, belief in someone being scum or not, genuineness, distance, logical arguments, all of these also seem dependent on player rather than alignment. I guess the main factor that would allow for a town victory would be power roles giving information to town. You're right about it being dependent on player. So I look for things that seem weird from a personality standpoint. |
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Post by crimsonfist on May 13, 2016 12:43:08 GMT -8
Claiming hated was a mistake. Should just claim the cop part and let scum deal with the problem next time they get a night kill. An accidental hammer would have been annoying, but by claiming there's a good chance he'll be policy lynched anyway.
Does town have a doctor? x-shot watcher and role cop with scum not having a role block/strongman makes me think that they don't.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on May 13, 2016 13:10:37 GMT -8
Yeah I think Kawl should've fully claimed right away or claimed only cop. Appending the investigation results to being hated would just seem like a desperate attempt to save himself, especially if they contradict other claims.
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 13:21:34 GMT -8
Claiming hated was a mistake. Should just claim the cop part and let scum deal with the problem next time they get a night kill. An accidental hammer would have been annoying, but by claiming there's a good chance he'll be policy lynched anyway. Does town have a doctor? x-shot watcher and role cop with scum not having a role block/strongman makes me think that they don't. Nope, there was nothing that could affect NKs in the game though scum has been mildly worried about a switcher lol |
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Post by Ourobolus on May 13, 2016 19:03:40 GMT -8
Stanley better use it now, cause he's hosed tonight.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 13, 2016 19:05:16 GMT -8
Scum don't have a kill tonight though
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Post by Ourobolus on May 13, 2016 19:08:37 GMT -8
Oh, right. Forgot about that handsome virgin dying.
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Post by Sorian on May 13, 2016 19:26:55 GMT -8
Oh, right. Forgot about that handsome virgin dying. I apparently asked your age for no reason. Didn't even make it into the flavor. |
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Post by Ourobolus on May 13, 2016 19:28:05 GMT -8
I mean, I don't really like strip joints anyway, so it's close enough.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on May 13, 2016 20:39:44 GMT -8
Oh, right. Forgot about that handsome virgin dying. I apparently asked your age for no reason. Didn't even make it into the flavor. I knew I forgot something! Was too busy coming up with ways to spell Ouro's name. |
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 13, 2016 20:56:50 GMT -8
Please tell me that town is going to evict Stanley and at the last possible moment he will use his ability on another town member...
Because that would be awesome. Just saying
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Post by nukedeggs on May 13, 2016 21:16:48 GMT -8
Kawl has been seduced by scum D; no town noooo TOWNNN NOOOOOOO NOOOOO
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Post by Roytheone on May 14, 2016 1:46:30 GMT -8
Gorlak claims to be me? Jay! Owl cat!  |
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