|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 10:14:04 GMT -8
Still waiting for Stanley and Salva to check in.
|
|
|
|
Post by SalvaPot on Apr 6, 2016 10:43:28 GMT -8
I am here, I was very confused when kawl mentioned "the PM's are out", then I realized "Oh wait, he meant Outer Gafia."
Anyway, I am still going to use a Vanilla-Ice cream avatar.
|
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 10:44:25 GMT -8
So, based on the rules as I understand them, the Mafia can only use their private chat during the Night phases, correct? If that's the case, they haven't yet had a chance to privately discuss their strategy. Today would be a good opportunity to put pressure on them then.
|
|
|
|
Post by flameac on Apr 6, 2016 10:45:43 GMT -8
It would be ideal, but this is also the day when we know the least and since Days are short, we'll need to use our time efficiently.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 10:55:10 GMT -8
Vote: SkyOdin
|
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 11:05:43 GMT -8
It would be ideal, but this is also the day when we know the least and since Days are short, we'll need to use our time efficiently. That's true. Do you have any ideas on how to start? I am not familiar with most of the posters in this game, so I don't really know how to read them yet. |
|
|
|
Post by Kawl on Apr 6, 2016 11:08:32 GMT -8
Vote Count
SkyOdin-1
Ouro
Ouro-1
Terrabyte
Nin1000-1
SkyOdin
Squidyj
Bronx Man-1
FlameAC
Votes needed for Majority: 5
|
|
|
|
Post by flameac on Apr 6, 2016 11:11:44 GMT -8
That's true. Do you have any ideas on how to start? I am not familiar with most of the posters in this game, so I don't really know how to read them yet. I think you might be the only one in this I've played with before, besides our dear host Kawl. What do we think about a no lynch? How would that affect us reaching lylo? I don't want throw the day away though, we should be able to get some decent stuff out of it. Since we're working with such a small group, no one should have room to hide in inactivity or fluff. |
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 11:19:52 GMT -8
A no lynch? Let's see...
Presuming we lynch incorrectly today and tomorrow, and the Mafia gets their night kills, then on Day 3 we will have 3 town members and 2 mafia, which I believe is Lylo.
If we do a no lynch today, then mislynch tomorrow, then on day 3 we will have 4 town members and 2 mafia, which would be Mylo, I think. Not a great situation either.
Since we have only a few chances to lynch, I think we are better off trying to lynch someone today. We just need to make sure that our lynch counts for something, and try to at least get some good information out of it. If we can't identify the mafia in the first two days, our odds of winning are going to drop precipitously.
|
|
|
|
Post by squidyj on Apr 6, 2016 11:21:27 GMT -8
So, based on the rules as I understand them, the Mafia can only use their private chat during the Night phases, correct? If that's the case, they haven't yet had a chance to privately discuss their strategy. Today would be a good opportunity to put pressure on them then. How exactly do you plan to do that? are you just going to go around screaming "YOU'RE MAFIA" at people? cause that'll put me out of a job. btw. You're mafia. |
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 11:28:59 GMT -8
I'm not Mafia! I swear!
...
Is there really much point in saying that?
I guess I really should start finger-pointing at someone soon though.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 11:40:00 GMT -8
So, based on the rules as I understand them, the Mafia can only use their private chat during the Night phases, correct? If that's the case, they haven't yet had a chance to privately discuss their strategy. Today would be a good opportunity to put pressure on them then. My vote is on Skyodin because of this post. I'm fully aware the possibility exists that I'm wrong, and while I know he's still relatively new to GAFia (though I don't know about any previous experience), this post screams "LOOK HOW TOWNIE I AM!" |
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 11:50:56 GMT -8
Huh? No, I'm just trying to get stuff clear. This is actually my second game of Mafia ever, counting the Batman one where I was alive for all of one day. GAFia is my first real exposure to the game other than seeing people talk about it online. So I don't really know whether or not Mafia being able to talk to each privately during day phases or not is common, nor how it affects the gameplay in a practical sense. I am trying to help find mafia right now, I'm just not sure how to best go about it.
|
|
|
|
Post by SalvaPot on Apr 6, 2016 11:53:40 GMT -8
I would agree with the No Lynch (I love No Lynch in day 1), but in this game we either have a cop or we don't, so really relying on the town roles would be silly,so I have to admit that scum not been able to use the private chat on the day can be used to our benefit and we should just try to lynch a scum player since Day 1.
That said, I don't really feel Skyodin as a scum player so far, at least the point Ouro is quoting reads fairly common to me. I am more worried about squid, but he has always been hard to read for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 12:12:48 GMT -8
Skyodin, it's obviously not anything definitive, and if you aren't scum I sincerely apologize. I goes where I sees 'em. I would agree with the No Lynch (I love No Lynch in day 1), but in this game we either have a cop or we don't, so really relying on the town roles would be silly,so I have to admit that scum not been able to use the private chat on the day can be used to our benefit and we should just try to lynch a scum player since Day 1. That said, I don't really feel Skyodin as a scum player so far, at least the point Ouro is quoting reads fairly common to me. I am more worried about squid, but he has always been hard to read for me. Normally I would be in favor of a lynch on D1. And, technically, I still am.  If we No Lynch today and mislynch from there onward, we are at LYLO on D3. If we Lynch today, we are at MYLO on D2, in which case we can "No Lynch" then. It really just comes down to when you want to No Lynch. |
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 12:13:27 GMT -8
This sheet is, of course, assuming worst-case scenario.
|
|
|
|
Post by flameac on Apr 6, 2016 12:28:14 GMT -8
So I can't really tell, it doesn't matter when we no lynch, we just have to do it once to maximize our chances?
|
|
|
|
Post by squidyj on Apr 6, 2016 12:28:35 GMT -8
I'm just not sure how we can leverage mafia's lack of communication is all that I'm trying to say.
We still haven't heard from stanley?
Bronx Man has literally only said hello. #scumtell
Salvapot is being weird. like he wants to set up to go after me later on in the day, he's pushing back against ouro's vote/read. If I was scum I wouldn't be defending my partner this early so my first reaction is that i'm feeling that odin and salva aren't scum together, one of them could be scum but not both of them together. I could see a scum player wanting to get out ahead and defend a town because "I told you guys, god you never listen to me".
I am mostly opposed to no-lynches, especially in a game like this, I also don't like the way flameac floated it like "what do you guys think about this?" repeated use of that sort of passive hands-off style "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS" is a huge red flag to me. In particular if we sleep today and mafia gets their kills we lose AT 2 mislynches, meaning we only get to mislynch once. Lynching today we can mislynch twice and we'll be in lylo.
|
|
|
|
Post by squidyj on Apr 6, 2016 12:30:48 GMT -8
what? ouro?
we would start d2 with 5, lynch to 4 start day 3 with 3, we wouldn't be in mylo on day 2.
|
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 12:36:58 GMT -8
I think Ouro's chart is formated in a confusing way, enough to confuse Ouro himself. As is, it shows the results after the phase listed in the left-hand column. Which means that we would be in Mylo after the D2 phase lynch (presuming we lynch twice), but before the Night 2 phase. Which is a somewhat nonsensical listing, so that's why I think Ouro is reading his own chart wrong.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 12:46:57 GMT -8
what? ouro? we would start d2 with 5, lynch to 4 start day 3 with 3, we wouldn't be in mylo on day 2. Huh, you're right. Sorry, I misplaced that marker for MYLO. |
|
|
|
Post by Ourobolus on Apr 6, 2016 12:47:26 GMT -8
I think Ouro's chart is formated in a confusing way, enough to confuse Ouro himself. As is, it shows the results after the phase listed in the left-hand column. Which means that we would be in Mylo after the D2 phase lynch (presuming we lynch twice), but before the Night 2 phase. Which is a somewhat nonsensical listing, so that's why I think Ouro is reading his own chart wrong. This is literally what happened. My bad. |
|
|
|
Post by squidyj on Apr 6, 2016 12:47:31 GMT -8
if we lynch badly we are on lylo day 3 (2 mislynches)
if we no lynch we are at mylo on day 3 (1 mislynch)
so, sleeping buys us a day if we sleep twice? yay? but it loses us a mislynch.
|
|
|
|
Post by squidyj on Apr 6, 2016 12:49:43 GMT -8
Which to me says that anyone suggesting sleeping is suggesting something that's incredibly anti-town.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bronx-Man on Apr 6, 2016 12:54:08 GMT -8
VOTE: FlameAC
I got you now, SCUM.
|
|
|
|
Post by flameac on Apr 6, 2016 12:58:19 GMT -8
Isn't it better for us to be at mylo on day 3 then lylo? Doing a no lynch today or tomorrow would fix that. I just wanted to see how the math plays out cause it's weird with 9 people.
To Squidy's point, this isn't a "I'm asking questions" defense, though it might look like it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 6, 2016 13:12:07 GMT -8
I, personally, am in favor of lynching Day one. I think we shouldn't be paranoid about the amount of people because there are only two scum. As soon as we hit one we push lylo back exponentially.
|
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 13:13:01 GMT -8
Well, it is better in a vacuum, but not really in this case.
If we lynch every day, we get two mislynchs before we hit Lylo. If we opt to No Lynch, we get one mislynch and two No Lynch votes before we hit Lylo.
So, the No Lynch vote will give us more days, but less margin for error. That would be fine if we could rely on investigators, but we can't. There is only a 1/3 chance there is even a cop in the game, and if there is then there is no doctor to protect said cop. There is basically no advantage for town in delaying, unless some unusual circumstances crop up (for example, a doctor blocking a kill on one night).
No matter what, we have to lynch on Day 1.
|
|
|
|
Post by skyodin on Apr 6, 2016 13:13:49 GMT -8
My last post was a reply to flameac, by the way. I should have quoted.
|
|
|
|
Post by flameac on Apr 6, 2016 13:32:44 GMT -8
There could be cop+doctor if row 2 are the roles in the game, but then there's a roleblocker who will mess it up.
Hypothetically, what do you think about the single inactive, do you think that's a viable target or would you rather stick to more active people. Personally, I think we should go for more active people purely because there's more posts we'll be able to pull from later.
|
|
