Night 3 Mission Chat
Feb 29, 2016 11:56:02 GMT -8
Post by Atheon on Feb 29, 2016 11:56:02 GMT -8
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Ourobolus
08-19-2015
02:59 PM ET (US)
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
03:28 PM ET (US)
So looks like its the same 3 from N2 with the addition of Squidy? Well Squidy, I'll tell you what I told the others, I am the real Sterling Archer. I lied about my roleclaim in the fact that I am not total NK immune. I have 3 BP with the HP being able to kill me instantly thru my BPs. One was used N1. Palmer and Mazre can confirm I said that in N2 chat. Nothing else was really discussed N2.
With my posting today with Kriss, I wanted to come off scared of being killed by ET to try and lure the KGB in more on a mission to kill me. I also really didn't want to waste a BP on a guy we know is a killer and the slight chance he was the HP. If they think I am lying about my BP, maybe they send another person other than the HP to catch me. What are your's,palm's,maz's thoughts on QB and Kris? Specifically Kris since he seemed obsessed with trying to kill me.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
Squidyj, do you trust me, ER, and Mazre?
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
05:09 PM ET (US)
do you have to choose to put a vest on?
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
05:12 PM ET (US)
No it's automatically used when someone tries to kill me. I get an update from Ouro saying how many I have left. When KGB tried to kill me N1 I got msg saying 2 bps left.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
05:12 PM ET (US)
Why would I trust you? I mean, for now it's okay for me to take Zeke's archer claim at face value, it doesn't actually ask a lot of me and it mostly makes sense. Palmer has generally been somewhat pro-town but I'm not going to turn a blind eye if I think that turns around. Mazre is.... hmmm. I don't know about Mazre.
I think kris got a little ahead of himself I would have a hard time reading him as scum over what he did today.
Why are you asking about QB?
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
05:27 PM ET (US)
Kriss/QB - Going out on a limb to try and delay ET's lynch even with all the stuff he pulled
Kriss - At first I saw it as overzealous but he went way overboard on trying to get ET to shoot at me. Then before the day ended he went on about being happy that he thinks I'm not bp and wouldn't answer why he would be happy about that. He also stated that he thinks I'm at least town, so If you think I'm town, why push ET to kill me so badly? Also it was like a switched flipped with him. He was going 0-100 with the ET theory, then all of a sudden he goes "I can't believe I wasted so much time/got deceived by a SK."
QB - Hasn't had very much input, but instantly jumped on the ET theory with Kriss.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
Let's start this way Squidyj. Someone in the Mission chats who may or may not be on this mission has claimed Cop. Who do you think it is? Let me and Squidyj talk about this for a bit before anyone else jumps in, please.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
06:15 PM ET (US)
I'm rereading things now, but if it's there I missed it the first time around so I don't really know and I don't want to pretend that I know.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
06:22 PM ET (US)
That's the problem. I don't know for sure how much I trust you yet. For now, just know that if Mazre, ER, Darryl, or myself come up bad at any point, you need to carefully watch the remaining members and report this to the thread.
I'm inclined to just tell you all of it, but I'll wait and see what ER and Mazre think.
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Mazre
08-19-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
I'm kind of on the fence, but definitely leaning towards just telling him.
If squidyj is KGB anything we tell him tonight is dangerous for KGB to act on immediately without alerting us that our chat has been compromised.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
06:49 PM ET (US)
I haven't really been hiding my role at all. I'm Brett Bunsen. Like there was that part where I said
"Okay so I'm Brett Bunsen."
and the part where I claimed I was BUNSEN Honeydew with the power of detecting gorillas and getting shot at night.
and even the part where I claimed Kenny, who also finds himself to be a magnet for violence.
I'm not going to say exactly how my role works, but it should be clear that it involves me getting shot.
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
07:01 PM ET (US)
I am also on the fence about squidy, KGB most likely targeted me for last game. Figured if they go for me for last game, Squidy should be top of their list as well but he is still here. I sorta chalked it up to roy protecting him. If I had protect ability I probably wouldve used it on Squid N2 since he is most talkative etc. I don't mind coming clean about my role since even if he were KGB he wouldnt be able to kill me right off the bat neway.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:02 PM ET (US)
I'll come back to your claim.
Here's another question since you're one of the ones familiar with Archer. If you had to pick a main cast member to make a Cop, who would it be?
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:11 PM ET (US)
The only people that have mentioned brett are TheGoddamn, me, and Squidyj. Bunsen has only been mentioned by Squidyj and myself.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:21 PM ET (US)
No I think I am just bad this game and mafia is letting me cause damage
As for archer characters lets assume cop is a primary character
We have 2 kriegers who are doctor's so I think Krieger is out
Mallory is our game runner so that's out
Zeke claims archer so that's out.
Ray is dead.
That leaves Pam, Cheryl, Cyril, Lana, and maybe Woodhouse?
Pam works in HR but after her earlier appearances she's not really associated with her job much. She's more associated with being totally ferocious and unstoppable, a huge risk-taker.
Cyril is my best bet for a cop, maybe he'd be checking expense reports or something? He's a reasonably good accountant but also cowardly and weak-willed, particularly as a field agent.
Cheryl, Charlene, Carol, Batshit crazy rich girl who likes getting choked out, see her as more of an escort type role, roleblocking and whatnot.
Lana is smart and on top of things and usually the 'straight man' to a lot of Hijinks, probably second best bet for a cop but she's more of a really capable field agent with HUGE hands living in the Danger Zone.
Woodhouse is always jsut sort of there and servile and he does a lot of heroin. I don't know what sort of role power he would have.
So it's Either Lana or Cyril for Cop, assuming the cop is a primary character. There's Ben and Bilbo for minor ISIS characters but I don't see how they'd be cops
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:23 PM ET (US)
Seriously though. Archer should have had a Danger Zone command
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
07:28 PM ET (US)
Wish I had more active role T_T
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:31 PM ET (US)
We don't know for certain that he doesn't.
So long story short, Darryl has claimed Cop, and claims to have cleared Mazre and then ER so far. He claims to be Lana Kane specifically. He claims he only gets alignment, not any role names, which is conveniently difficult to verify. He passes us the info in the next day phase by posting a small set of reads, one of which has a section bolded. That read is his investigation.
Mazre hasn't claimed anything specific. Arkos and I have claimed Drone. ER is ER.
I have several problems with all of this, which I'll get to later. I need to cook dinner and play some video games!
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
did he give any flavor on how his checks work?
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:16 PM ET (US)
Nope, pretty dodgy overall. Do you see why I sort of was asking for an Archer counter claim? It would have let us know ER was lying, and thus Darryl as well.
For now, I trust ER a bit and I'm neutral towards Darryl. Your claim is also slightly suspect to me. I don't really doubt that you're Brett, but I don't think it's a sure thing that he's town aligned.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:32 PM ET (US)
I should clarify my dodgy comment. My biggest problem with him was how he entered M1 chat and made his claim.
@11:32 AM, he greets us with two words, one of which was a curse
@11:33 AM he says he is the town investigator
@11:42 AM I reply with some questions about type of investigator
@11:50 AM He refuses to give more info about type
@11:55 AM I question his logic
@12:08 PM He tells us he needs to catch up with the thread still(I assume main thread cause we only had like 25 posts in the mission chat at that point)
@12:08 PM He tells us we were all high on his Mafia list
So he thought we were mafia, but still entered chat and immediately claimed Cop. On top of that, he hadn't actually read through the thread yet to even form a proper opinion. None of it made any damn sense, and I wondered if it was a ruse to try and get Mafia to kill him in the Night chat.
Other than that initial weirdness, he hasn't done anything that particularly bothers me. I only vaguely trust Mazre until Darryl is proven one way or another.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:33 PM ET (US)
I'll post thoughts on Kriss and QB later. They both feel scummy to me, but El Topo was a higher priority.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
09:06 PM ET (US)
I suppose he could have been trying to bait a kill but that seems unlikely and not something he would do if he was as important as cop.
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Mazre
08-19-2015
10:44 PM ET (US)
Some general thoughts before bed, more thinking out loud than anything, having a lot more trouble this game finding my way.
I think there are a few clusters that likely include a KGB in them so I'm going to list them for now, it's possible these clusters have 0 or more than 1 but just my areas of interest, groups are in no particular order.
Palmer_V1, squidyj, ynnny, haly : Haly bugs me the most in this group, ynnny while reading town worries me that she's in a blind spot
hobohodo, quantumbro: Feels like they're just kind of there in general, from a third party perspective I suppose I could fall into this group based on my own analysis
enker, mikehawk, thegoddamn: mikehawk is the sketchiest in this group, cabbeh's analysis on enker was helpful though I need to give it another pass
seath, septimus : My harmful town group, vote off as a last resort
kristoffer: still early, very aggressive with narrow field of view
possum: less active then whoever he replaced, looks like he's being replaced as well
darryl, ER - not one of my clusters just commenting, giving these two a fair amount of trust right now, don't currently think theres a KGB here but as always keeping an open mind
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EzekelRAGE
08-22-2015
02:00 AM ET (US)
Thoughts on Kris/QB Palm and Squidy? Or ne1 else you think may be scum.
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palmer_v1
08-22-2015
02:38 AM ET (US)
Kris just came in too aggresive and was supporting some terrible ideas. Qb seems too quiet and is just bandwagoning.
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Squidyj
08-22-2015
03:05 AM ET (US)
I suppose since I'm included in the question it's not directed at me but I'd like to answer.
I'm inclined to think that Kris is just overeager but I didn't care for the fact that he said he had a scum read on me that he didn't want to go into and then wasn't prepared to answer a question about it
later on in the day phase. It makes me wonder if he ever had anything. There's something I want to see from him tomorrow that would help me read him as town but I don't really want to say what it is here.
If QB is bad he's in my blind spot because he just comes across as townie to me. Honestly tomorrow I feel like Hobohodo and Haly have been sort of skating by too much, Unless darryl comes out with a red check on somebody (and the more green checks he gets the more suspicious he himself is). Tomorrow I really want to go in on Haly and try to shake that tree. By this point in the last game (even though I hadn't come in at that point) I was reading Haly strongly as town and I'm really not getting that.
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Squidyj
08-22-2015
03:10 AM ET (US)
or maybe I misread it? I'm tired and thinking about the latest episode of Mr Robot. Either way.
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EzekelRAGE
08-22-2015
01:09 PM ET (US)
It was directed at you as well. Didn't include Maz since he gave his reads already.
Ourobolus
08-19-2015
02:59 PM ET (US)
Moderator here:
Ground rules for this chat:
1) This chat is strictly between players on the mission. Please do not share this link, nor copy/paste posts from here anywhere else.
2) Generally speaking: If you wouldn't do it in the public thread, don't do it here. Role claims and game speculation are allowed, but will not be confirmed by me here. If you have a question, it's probably better to PM me directly.
3) This forum will only stay open for this current night phase. Afterwards, no more posts will be allowed, but you may come back to look at the history.
4) This chat will close 30 minutes before the next day phase so I can get everything ready.
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
03:28 PM ET (US)
So looks like its the same 3 from N2 with the addition of Squidy? Well Squidy, I'll tell you what I told the others, I am the real Sterling Archer. I lied about my roleclaim in the fact that I am not total NK immune. I have 3 BP with the HP being able to kill me instantly thru my BPs. One was used N1. Palmer and Mazre can confirm I said that in N2 chat. Nothing else was really discussed N2.
With my posting today with Kriss, I wanted to come off scared of being killed by ET to try and lure the KGB in more on a mission to kill me. I also really didn't want to waste a BP on a guy we know is a killer and the slight chance he was the HP. If they think I am lying about my BP, maybe they send another person other than the HP to catch me. What are your's,palm's,maz's thoughts on QB and Kris? Specifically Kris since he seemed obsessed with trying to kill me.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
Squidyj, do you trust me, ER, and Mazre?
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
05:09 PM ET (US)
do you have to choose to put a vest on?
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
05:12 PM ET (US)
No it's automatically used when someone tries to kill me. I get an update from Ouro saying how many I have left. When KGB tried to kill me N1 I got msg saying 2 bps left.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
05:12 PM ET (US)
Why would I trust you? I mean, for now it's okay for me to take Zeke's archer claim at face value, it doesn't actually ask a lot of me and it mostly makes sense. Palmer has generally been somewhat pro-town but I'm not going to turn a blind eye if I think that turns around. Mazre is.... hmmm. I don't know about Mazre.
I think kris got a little ahead of himself I would have a hard time reading him as scum over what he did today.
Why are you asking about QB?
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
05:27 PM ET (US)
Kriss/QB - Going out on a limb to try and delay ET's lynch even with all the stuff he pulled
Kriss - At first I saw it as overzealous but he went way overboard on trying to get ET to shoot at me. Then before the day ended he went on about being happy that he thinks I'm not bp and wouldn't answer why he would be happy about that. He also stated that he thinks I'm at least town, so If you think I'm town, why push ET to kill me so badly? Also it was like a switched flipped with him. He was going 0-100 with the ET theory, then all of a sudden he goes "I can't believe I wasted so much time/got deceived by a SK."
QB - Hasn't had very much input, but instantly jumped on the ET theory with Kriss.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
Let's start this way Squidyj. Someone in the Mission chats who may or may not be on this mission has claimed Cop. Who do you think it is? Let me and Squidyj talk about this for a bit before anyone else jumps in, please.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
06:15 PM ET (US)
I'm rereading things now, but if it's there I missed it the first time around so I don't really know and I don't want to pretend that I know.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
06:22 PM ET (US)
That's the problem. I don't know for sure how much I trust you yet. For now, just know that if Mazre, ER, Darryl, or myself come up bad at any point, you need to carefully watch the remaining members and report this to the thread.
I'm inclined to just tell you all of it, but I'll wait and see what ER and Mazre think.
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Mazre
08-19-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
I'm kind of on the fence, but definitely leaning towards just telling him.
If squidyj is KGB anything we tell him tonight is dangerous for KGB to act on immediately without alerting us that our chat has been compromised.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
06:49 PM ET (US)
I haven't really been hiding my role at all. I'm Brett Bunsen. Like there was that part where I said
"Okay so I'm Brett Bunsen."
and the part where I claimed I was BUNSEN Honeydew with the power of detecting gorillas and getting shot at night.
and even the part where I claimed Kenny, who also finds himself to be a magnet for violence.
I'm not going to say exactly how my role works, but it should be clear that it involves me getting shot.
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
07:01 PM ET (US)
I am also on the fence about squidy, KGB most likely targeted me for last game. Figured if they go for me for last game, Squidy should be top of their list as well but he is still here. I sorta chalked it up to roy protecting him. If I had protect ability I probably wouldve used it on Squid N2 since he is most talkative etc. I don't mind coming clean about my role since even if he were KGB he wouldnt be able to kill me right off the bat neway.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:02 PM ET (US)
I'll come back to your claim.
Here's another question since you're one of the ones familiar with Archer. If you had to pick a main cast member to make a Cop, who would it be?
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:11 PM ET (US)
The only people that have mentioned brett are TheGoddamn, me, and Squidyj. Bunsen has only been mentioned by Squidyj and myself.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:21 PM ET (US)
No I think I am just bad this game and mafia is letting me cause damage
As for archer characters lets assume cop is a primary character
We have 2 kriegers who are doctor's so I think Krieger is out
Mallory is our game runner so that's out
Zeke claims archer so that's out.
Ray is dead.
That leaves Pam, Cheryl, Cyril, Lana, and maybe Woodhouse?
Pam works in HR but after her earlier appearances she's not really associated with her job much. She's more associated with being totally ferocious and unstoppable, a huge risk-taker.
Cyril is my best bet for a cop, maybe he'd be checking expense reports or something? He's a reasonably good accountant but also cowardly and weak-willed, particularly as a field agent.
Cheryl, Charlene, Carol, Batshit crazy rich girl who likes getting choked out, see her as more of an escort type role, roleblocking and whatnot.
Lana is smart and on top of things and usually the 'straight man' to a lot of Hijinks, probably second best bet for a cop but she's more of a really capable field agent with HUGE hands living in the Danger Zone.
Woodhouse is always jsut sort of there and servile and he does a lot of heroin. I don't know what sort of role power he would have.
So it's Either Lana or Cyril for Cop, assuming the cop is a primary character. There's Ben and Bilbo for minor ISIS characters but I don't see how they'd be cops
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:23 PM ET (US)
Seriously though. Archer should have had a Danger Zone command
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EzekelRAGE
08-19-2015
07:28 PM ET (US)
Wish I had more active role T_T
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
07:31 PM ET (US)
We don't know for certain that he doesn't.
So long story short, Darryl has claimed Cop, and claims to have cleared Mazre and then ER so far. He claims to be Lana Kane specifically. He claims he only gets alignment, not any role names, which is conveniently difficult to verify. He passes us the info in the next day phase by posting a small set of reads, one of which has a section bolded. That read is his investigation.
Mazre hasn't claimed anything specific. Arkos and I have claimed Drone. ER is ER.
I have several problems with all of this, which I'll get to later. I need to cook dinner and play some video games!
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
did he give any flavor on how his checks work?
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:16 PM ET (US)
Nope, pretty dodgy overall. Do you see why I sort of was asking for an Archer counter claim? It would have let us know ER was lying, and thus Darryl as well.
For now, I trust ER a bit and I'm neutral towards Darryl. Your claim is also slightly suspect to me. I don't really doubt that you're Brett, but I don't think it's a sure thing that he's town aligned.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:32 PM ET (US)
I should clarify my dodgy comment. My biggest problem with him was how he entered M1 chat and made his claim.
@11:32 AM, he greets us with two words, one of which was a curse
@11:33 AM he says he is the town investigator
@11:42 AM I reply with some questions about type of investigator
@11:50 AM He refuses to give more info about type
@11:55 AM I question his logic
@12:08 PM He tells us he needs to catch up with the thread still(I assume main thread cause we only had like 25 posts in the mission chat at that point)
@12:08 PM He tells us we were all high on his Mafia list
So he thought we were mafia, but still entered chat and immediately claimed Cop. On top of that, he hadn't actually read through the thread yet to even form a proper opinion. None of it made any damn sense, and I wondered if it was a ruse to try and get Mafia to kill him in the Night chat.
Other than that initial weirdness, he hasn't done anything that particularly bothers me. I only vaguely trust Mazre until Darryl is proven one way or another.
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palmer_v1
08-19-2015
08:33 PM ET (US)
I'll post thoughts on Kriss and QB later. They both feel scummy to me, but El Topo was a higher priority.
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Squidyj
08-19-2015
09:06 PM ET (US)
I suppose he could have been trying to bait a kill but that seems unlikely and not something he would do if he was as important as cop.
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Mazre
08-19-2015
10:44 PM ET (US)
Some general thoughts before bed, more thinking out loud than anything, having a lot more trouble this game finding my way.
I think there are a few clusters that likely include a KGB in them so I'm going to list them for now, it's possible these clusters have 0 or more than 1 but just my areas of interest, groups are in no particular order.
Palmer_V1, squidyj, ynnny, haly : Haly bugs me the most in this group, ynnny while reading town worries me that she's in a blind spot
hobohodo, quantumbro: Feels like they're just kind of there in general, from a third party perspective I suppose I could fall into this group based on my own analysis
enker, mikehawk, thegoddamn: mikehawk is the sketchiest in this group, cabbeh's analysis on enker was helpful though I need to give it another pass
seath, septimus : My harmful town group, vote off as a last resort
kristoffer: still early, very aggressive with narrow field of view
possum: less active then whoever he replaced, looks like he's being replaced as well
darryl, ER - not one of my clusters just commenting, giving these two a fair amount of trust right now, don't currently think theres a KGB here but as always keeping an open mind
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EzekelRAGE
08-22-2015
02:00 AM ET (US)
Thoughts on Kris/QB Palm and Squidy? Or ne1 else you think may be scum.
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palmer_v1
08-22-2015
02:38 AM ET (US)
Kris just came in too aggresive and was supporting some terrible ideas. Qb seems too quiet and is just bandwagoning.
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Squidyj
08-22-2015
03:05 AM ET (US)
I suppose since I'm included in the question it's not directed at me but I'd like to answer.
I'm inclined to think that Kris is just overeager but I didn't care for the fact that he said he had a scum read on me that he didn't want to go into and then wasn't prepared to answer a question about it
later on in the day phase. It makes me wonder if he ever had anything. There's something I want to see from him tomorrow that would help me read him as town but I don't really want to say what it is here.
If QB is bad he's in my blind spot because he just comes across as townie to me. Honestly tomorrow I feel like Hobohodo and Haly have been sort of skating by too much, Unless darryl comes out with a red check on somebody (and the more green checks he gets the more suspicious he himself is). Tomorrow I really want to go in on Haly and try to shake that tree. By this point in the last game (even though I hadn't come in at that point) I was reading Haly strongly as town and I'm really not getting that.
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Squidyj
08-22-2015
03:10 AM ET (US)
or maybe I misread it? I'm tired and thinking about the latest episode of Mr Robot. Either way.
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EzekelRAGE
08-22-2015
01:09 PM ET (US)
It was directed at you as well. Didn't include Maz since he gave his reads already.