Happy Home Chat - Mafia Chat
Feb 27, 2016 22:58:27 GMT -8
Post by Atheon on Feb 27, 2016 22:58:27 GMT -8
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
Hello fellow members of HHA!
So whilst we are still dossing in the day phase what's our groups experience with Mafia games like?
This will be my first one on GAF but I've played a few in the past, if I was ever a member of the Mafia it was only once a very long time ago however so this side of the fence is a bit new for me!
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franconp
05-11-2015
06:22 PM ET (US)
first time playing mafia and karkador didnt make it easy.
Not only being mafia but also having a roommate.
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
So (assuming your able to say) do you have any special abilities linked to being a roommate? Or have you just got the same information as was mentioned in the OP?
I've been thinking about this whole neighbours thing as well. Assuming that 'neighbouring houses' counts the 8 squares surrounding our houses, between us two and kiri it will only be A1, A2, B1 and B2 that aren't covered by us. I can't help but notice that we are all quite spread out and so none of us are actually neighbouring each other. The OP doesn't state if the houses are randomly assigned so can't say for sure, but I wonder if the Mafia have been set up so that between us (plus our fourth missing person) we cover the whole map? If so could mean our missing member is in A1, A2, B1 or B2.
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franconp
05-11-2015
07:03 PM ET (US)
No special abilities between us, only what karkador posted. If any of us are evicted during day phases both of us are out. And if we evict ultron during nighttime I would be out too.
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:07 PM ET (US)
Hey guys - I'm just reading through everything now and it's far more complicated than what I was expecting and I'm not 100% sure how much I'll be able to follow as I'm going to have to keep up by iPhone.
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
07:28 PM ET (US)
Hi kiri, first time Mafia player? Trying to scope out how much experience we all have.
So it was me who asked Karkador about the layout of the map, and so we haven't been placed randomly. Can't say for certain but that could give some fuel to the idea that our missing member is in one of those corners in the top left.
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Karkador
05-11-2015
07:31 PM ET (US)
Hey everyone, I'll be following the chat in here as the game progresses.
kiri, the thing you'll be doing the most in the game is reading the thread and posting in it, and discussing with your team members here. The rules are generally just to not post any information I give you via PM (or anything discussed here) in the game thread, and VOTE in the thread each in-game day for a player to get eliminated.
Since you are able to talk to your teammates here before the game starts, I think you guys should discuss it, since they need a competent team member. If you decide to back out, it's totally fine - we have a waiting list of potential replacements.
I will be able to answer any questions here, but there are game-related things I have to be vague about.
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:32 PM ET (US)
Hey hey, I played a bunch of Werewolf whilst living in Japan.
Now I'm back in the UK (GMT) and so will be heading to bed now. The upper left corner seems like a good theory to me!
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
That's two of us in the UK then!
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
I think that it's going to get harder for me to multi-task on my iPhone with the various threads I'll need to keep an eye on. Plus I'm moving house (IRL) this weekend. I don't want to back out but the timing of this move hasn't come at the best time for me to be fully on point with this game.
It may be wise to prep someone to replace me and I'd like to apologise for any inconvenience. I'll be 100% in on the next game you have!
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franconp
05-11-2015
07:44 PM ET (US)
Can we discuss what our roles are yet?
PD: Also I want to apologise in advance if i'm not clear with some of my messages (and a lot of spelling errors) since english is not my first language.
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Karkador
05-12-2015
01:09 AM ET (US)
So, final decision, kiri?
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kiri
05-12-2015
03:10 AM ET (US)
I slept on it and still feeling the same.
I'll be all in next time, my apologies.
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
08:10 AM ET (US)
Shame to see you go kiri, hopefully things are sorted out for you next time.
Don't worry about it franconp, yeah we can discuss our roles and what not here. I checked with Karkador the other day.
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franconp
05-12-2015
08:30 AM ET (US)
Until next time kiri. Good luck with your moving.
I will start with the roleclaming then:
I'm Timmy Nook, and my role allows me to investigate any other player in the game and learn their role (like a cop in mafia). If I investigate our missing partner he would become a full fledged member.
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
09:21 AM ET (US)
Awesome, good to know we have the ability to investigate. Do you know if that will leave a clue in the main thread that someone was investigated?
As for my role I'm Tommy Nook, the younger nephew. No special abilities whilst I'm still alive, but if I get killed then on the following night phase the Mafia can evict two players in one night as revenge.
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franconp
05-12-2015
09:41 AM ET (US)
I don't know about the clue. I will PM Karkador about it.
Some thoughts:
-I think our priority now should be finding our unknown partner, maybe he has some role that would be beneficial to us.
-I too think he may be in the upper corner. There only A1 can connect to A2 and B1 so he could be our partner. Using my role we could investigate A1 and evict A2 or B1 and we cover 2/3 of the area in the first night.
-Looking in the map (and thinking that we can't be neighbours if there is water between us unless there is a bridge) C3 (freakzilla149) isn't a neighbour of any of us. He may be town or an independant player.
-This is a long shot be I think that maybe Ultron (my roommate) may be the cop. If the house placements aren't random it wouldn't be rare that the two cops would share the same fate.
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karkador
05-12-2015
02:42 PM ET (US)
Hey everyone, I found a replacement for kiri, and I'll be transferring the role over to him shortly (so he'll be posting here soon).
Thanks for knowing when to call it quits, kiri, as this is a lot easier to do now than later. I hope we'll see you again next time!
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ourobolus
05-12-2015
03:37 PM ET (US)
Hey all, happy to be here! First time Mafia player (at least on GAF, I've played it once or twice with friends back in the day...it's been awhile though).
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franconp
05-12-2015
03:50 PM ET (US)
Welcome Ourobolus!!!
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ourobolus
05-12-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)
So in addition to trying to figure out the unknown partner, we should probably also try to isolate as many houses as possible. I'm not entirely sure how the neighbor mechanic works, but we should be choosing houses based on their location as well. Since myself and Hobohodo are on D1 and B4, respectively, the prime targets should be:
A2, A4
B1, B3, B5
C2
E2
Now obviously we shouldn't do this in order, but space the choices around.
Also, there are still plenty of HHA members we don't know, so we can amend this list as needed.
D5 and E4 would be targets too, but those may be problematic due to what the role of francomp's roommate is.
This also doesn't take diagonals into account, but I'm not sure if they do anyway? Guess we'll find out after the first night.
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franconp
05-12-2015
04:30 PM ET (US)
Why do you say there's plenty of HHA members we don't know?
The PM Karkador sent me said there was another partner, which sounds that there is only one partner missing.
If you can, tell us if you have a role and what you can do with it.
Later today will post why I think that my roommate may be a cop.
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karkador
05-12-2015
06:05 PM ET (US)
Please save any discussion here until the Night Phases (which will be 3 days long). Sorry if that wasn't clear enough!
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
06:48 PM ET (US)
Just gonna post to say welcome oroborous!
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Ourobolus
05-12-2015
09:11 PM ET (US)
Oh, whoops. Sorry karkador!
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
11:45 AM ET (US)
So we can't talk to each other here during the day?
When I've played in the past Mafia could talk whenever as it allowed them to statergise during the day phase as well in regards with how to lynch and whatnot. If we can't then fair enough but it just seems an odd rule to me.
Will also mean I'll need a notebook or something to write down my thoughts, had just been planing on dumping the, straight In here.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
11:47 AM ET (US)
Yeah seems that way. Though if the thread is any current indication, I may be screwed for no apparent reason.
I have a google spreadsheet where I've been keeping any info I've got, which I can post later.
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Karkador
05-13-2015
12:20 PM ET (US)
Alright, I'm going to provisionally allow Daytalk for now, and ask the mentor (Crab) for the final word. I apologize for the lost time.
I designed the game with more of a "live game" feel in mind, so I just defaulted to nighttalk-only making sense, but if daytalk is more of the standard, I'll allow it. Looking at it again, it looks like our last game (the one Crab moderated) did allow daytalk.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
12:49 PM ET (US)
Ahh awesome, cheers for potentially switching that around.
I've gotta pop out in a bit, so providing Crab hasn't shut down the idea of day talk I'll post up some thoughts of mine later. The gist of my concern lies with the shared house though. It's been pointed out all ready how that is a logical target for the Mafia as they get two birds with one stone so when that house is left unscathed come day 2 I can see so people maybe being suspicious. I am wondering if it's possible for them to move out however when a house is vacant, the rules do make a point of saying a house becomes vacant after an eviction.
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franconp
05-13-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)
Ourobolus I don't think you are screwed yet. I think is mostly a random choice and you was the last post before Mazre. Also think he is bluffing to see how we react (or he is psychic and we are all screwed).
Now, I'm pretty screwed. My roommate situation is difficult, and if we aren't evicted in the first couple of nights it will be obvious that one of us is mafia. The only way I could stay in game is that Ultron has a role so important that it will make the town doubt if evict us or not, that's why I think he is either a cop or a medic (leaning to cop).
Ourobolus do you have a special role?
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
Not sure if being vacant = someone can move in, though. I don't see them voting the roommates out just yet though, because statistically it's more probable that there are two city members are in there (though we know that isn't the case).
Also, to the earlier point of me saying there were "plenty of other Mafia," I was just confused on the wording the Karkador's PM. When he said that my partners were you guys, I didn't know if that had something to do with my role or (as it seems now) the Mafia as a whole. So, disregard.
And yeah, I'm probably not screwed, it was just jarring to see my name on there as the first one to be voted for, haha!
I do: I'm Tom Nook - my nighttime actions are silent and cannot be investigated. So I'm probably the prime candidate for carrying out any evictions.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
12:57 PM ET (US)
Also, I'm keeping track of votes and the like here, if you guys want to use it.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G-...2s/edit?usp=sharing
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
12:59 PM ET (US)
Silent actions? That seems crazy useful.
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franconp
05-13-2015
01:00 PM ET (US)
Great job!!!
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
Yeah, now you see why me seeing my name was a bit unnerving.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:10 PM ET (US)
Quick question: If we investigate someone and learn their role, are they alerted to the investigation? Because if we immediately got for ultron87 it may be apparent that franconp is Mafia.
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franconp
05-13-2015
01:49 PM ET (US)
There is no alert. I already asked Karkador.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:50 PM ET (US)
Oh. Well then, I see no reason not to figure out who the hell ultron87 is then.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:14 PM ET (US)
Is that just that there is no clue to you or did you specifically ask about investigating ultron? Would hate for us to investigate him and have you be revealed as well due to the 'what happens to you happens to him' rule. If we're gonna do it lets be 100% sure. (Yes I'm that cautious!)
Providing there are still more 'No lynch' votes One lynch isn't enough to get ourobolus killed is it? Just need to scope out what to do if you gain traction with the 'lynch just because' group.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:18 PM ET (US)
Well, actually, I guess franconp will have to make sure. The only way I'd do it is if there's 100% chance he won't be found out, short of someone investigating him (which seems unlikely since it's the first night, but it is a 1/22 shot).
I suppose I should probably change my vote to Mazre just to cancel out his to me then.
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:18 PM ET (US)
I don't think so. For now at least.
What I asume of your role is that there is someone who have the ability to investigate who used a night action on a certain player. If that is true I think that Ultron and I would be his target, as we are right now "the biggest target to mafia". If I investigate Ultron I may reveal that I'm mafia to someone else. Besides I think we are going to be be targeted by several night actions (likely a switcher and a medic) so I don't think I would be able to investigate him.
I think we should leave Ultron alone for now and should try to look for our secret partner.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:22 PM ET (US)
That's a good point. Well we don't have a penalty for evicting anyone, it seems, since even if we evict the secret partner they just come back as full mafia.
I made that map in the spreadsheet which may be a decent guideline for isolating players, but that may change given the possible rule regarding moving into vacant homes.
Until then though, I think the priority should be keeping me alive through the first FREAKIN' day.
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:22 PM ET (US)
I don't think you should change your vote to Mazre. I think it would look suspicious. Let's wait to see what he has to say. If he can't bring any info to the thread (and I think he can't) he would be the main suspect.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:23 PM ET (US)
Yeah, probably not. I'll hold off on that. But hopefully the bandwagon doesn't grow in the meantime.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:24 PM ET (US)
If your gonna counter lynch maybe an inactive would be better? May just come across as less retaliatory to him and lynching inactives is often a used tactic when someone needs to be lynched just to further the game.
If it comes to it I can see that garnering more support, don't know if anyone has been that inactive mind?
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:26 PM ET (US)
HippieHobo, Darryl, and SmokingGunZ1981 have only posted once in the whole thread, and Hippiehobo is the only one that has posted since the game has started. So probably Darryl/SmokingGun
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:33 PM ET (US)
I say we wait. There are 7 votes to no evict and a couple of people that are only waiting for the info of Mazre. If he doesn't say something relevant that means they will vote no evict too.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
Actually there are 6 now, and 3 of those are ours
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:46 PM ET (US)
Good point, I've removed my vote just so that we don't all look linked up. Will chuck it back on though if they bandwagon you.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
Sounds good. If anyone else bandwagons me I'm gonna vote for Darryl since he's
1) Far away from me on the map
2) Diagonal from Hobohodo so there's only one neighbor that is (potentially) not Mafia
3) Inactive
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:52 PM ET (US)
Ok, Mazre has posted. He claims he has some sort of day ability with a night component.
Regardless, if my role is as outlined - "you carry your actions out silently. You are immune to roles that investigate you to look for night activity" - I should still be able to carry out an eviction without notice.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
03:10 PM ET (US)
It might make more sense for one of you guys to propose going after the inactive guys though, rather than drawing attention to me, since even though it was random, I'm already kinda in the spotlight. We still have time during the deliberations, but it's just a thought.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
03:17 PM ET (US)
Ok when I get home I'll make the case for lynching an inactive if the town is set on lunching someone.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)
So an interesting development, Mazre has invited me around to his house in the night phase. I guess it's his ability?
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franconp
05-13-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Invited you? Do you know what it means?
I think it's the ability he said previously. What I don't have a clue is what's the effect.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
04:34 PM ET (US)
Huh. Well that could go two ways. If we were to go after Mazre we would obviously take out Hobo too. By not doing that, I wonder if he will think that Hobo is Mafia?
I think we should keep Mazre around. His ability may work in our favor in the future. For today, I'm thinking that if we can divert them from the roommates. Either the current vote for Toma or maybe king kitty to draw attention away further, since he seems to be favoring NOT going after the roommates.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Actually, I mean kingkitty for the night phase.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:44 PM ET (US)
Yeah as it looks right now I'm just going to have the ability to chat to him privately for a night in a forum similar to this. Krakador has said I'm not allowed to copy and paste the text from our convocation we have there and obviously not to share the link. I can share with people that I was invited however though not sure if I should mention that in the main thread yet. I also assume that if I don't post then it's like I don't visit, but then maybe that will be suspicious?
I don't think I'm suspected as such as I am a neighbour of his maybe he can only invite neighbours. At that point it became a 1 in 3 chance it was me. It is also kind of scary that he lynched ourobolus and invited me. That's involvement with two thirds of the known Mafia right there. Not to mention the general suspicion against th housemates I feel like we are already on the back foot.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:49 PM ET (US)
Anyone good with percentages? I would have a look at Haly's math but I really need to be revising for my phase boundaries exam tomorrow to muck around there. Instinctively I feel it's off but with those numbers I can see him making a good push on the housemates.
Doesn't help that he will have inflated the numbers by suggesting 6HHA, but we can't really contest that without seeming suspicious, as I've played games with that kinda ratio before.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:00 PM ET (US)
I'm working on that now actually. How does this sound, before I post?
No, your math seems correct, but it's based on the assumption of 6 HHA members. If it's less than that the chance for it to contain at least one drops quite a bit:
5 HHA: 39%
4 HHA: 32%
3 HHA: 24%
2 HHA: 16%
And to top it off, then we have to worry about them taking out someone else during the night too, so we run the risk of losing 3 townies in one day/night cycle.
I'm not really leaning either way on this one just yet, but just trying to get the numbers out there.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:04 PM ET (US)
Also, shit. If the cop investigates Mazre then Hobo will be found out.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:06 PM ET (US)
Looks like Timeasis pre-empted me, but his math is off. I won't say anything.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:07 PM ET (US)
Yeah that seems good. Demonstrates how quickly the percentage drops as HHA go down.
I just wonder if we should wait on that post for a bit? I worry about us seeming to defensive about the house this quick. Someone else may post those numbers for us after all.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:08 PM ET (US)
Someone did, but he mistakenly said that 4 HHA members means a, 81% chance to hit 2 townies, when in reality it's 68%. Hopefully they don't notice.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:11 PM ET (US)
That's a good point about if the cop investigates Mazre. I'll ask Krakador for confirmation on wether I will be revealed as well should that happen and wether not posting in that thread means I chose not to go. If I'm counted as visiting either way then maybe I better make it known in the thread that I've been invited, if his ability is out there the cop may leave him alone.
Also worth noting that Krakador won't announce that I've been invited, not even sure if he will announce that I visited, but if I don't go then it's up to Mazre to reveal that fact.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:26 PM ET (US)
I don't know if announcing it is a good idea - the cop would then be able to investigate both of you (he still could, but now he would know to do so). And then if we don't attack that house, they'll conclude that one of you is mafia, which, if the cop investigates, they will know.
Shit, I'm not sure. We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. franconp may get evicted unless we convince them otherwise, and hobo will be found out if they investigate Mazre.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Crap, Haly corrected his math. D'oh.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:34 PM ET (US)
Ok so update on the Mazre situation, I'm completely fine in terms of being found out, if he gets evicted or investigated it won't happen to me.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:42 PM ET (US)
Oh, good. Well that's one thing taken care of. Now we gotta keep them from evicting the roomies.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
Yeah, this is gonna be a tough one from the looks of things...
I reckon we need to either make a play for an inactive (Daryll has been name dropped a few times by others) or the no lynch vote again. It's just a matter of what we can push them towards. The housemates are getting mentioned as popular candidates but no one has actually thrown in to evict them yet. Untill that happens we won't need to worry about a bandwagon starting.
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Josh Martz
05-13-2015
07:11 PM ET (US)
Well we just have to force a plurality rather than a full majority though, thankfully.
> On May 13, 2015, at 18:32, QT - Hobohodo <qtopic-51-AUJivSrXFrX@quicktopic.com> wrote:
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
07:12 PM ET (US)
Er, that was me. Didn't think the post would use my name from my email...
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:13 PM ET (US)
On an unrelated note but it's a thought that pops in my head as I read through the thread, I can't work out if something is up with HippieHobo.
If we take his first post at face value he is essentially telling us he has a role where he makes important desicions. Either he doesn't realise what he is doing by saying that or he is actually trying to lure us to kill him, and it's not unusual to have town roles that kill there attacker as they themselves get killed. No one really commented on it either.
Then his second post, everyone else is in the middle of deliberating who to lynch and what to do with the roommates, and he just posts stuff about everyone going to his for a party? Just came across as odd to me is all, may be worth keeping an eye on him.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:14 PM ET (US)
Ahahaha, I panicked so much that our forum had been breached when I saw a new name.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
07:33 PM ET (US)
Ooh, Haly's post is good. If the thread follows through we should be golden for the first night. Don't jump on board just yet - but definitely watch!
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:42 PM ET (US)
This could be good for us yeah. Anyway I've gotta head off to get some sleep now so hopefully nothing to drastic happens. I'll pop my head in when I get up encase there is a need to chuck a vote on a bandwagon, but it's gonna be about 12 hours from now (Midday UK for me) till I can get back looking properly.
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franconp
05-13-2015
09:30 PM ET (US)
I finally catch up with everything. Right now I'm in a thight situation and I think that there isn't much I can say to save myself. I'm thinking of staying low for now and see how the events unfold. Luckily there are several players who still thinks that evicting us is a mistake.
If tomorrow the situation turns for the better I intent to stay low. If it turns ugly maybe I will need to roleclaim something to stay in game. The problem is that this will not buy me much time.
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franconp
05-13-2015
09:37 PM ET (US)
Also Karkador's post practically confirmed my suspicions that Ultron has an important role. Maybe if we are lucky and the situation is turning ugly he will be forced to reveal his role.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
10:08 PM ET (US)
Yeah. You may have to say something vague to save your skin. Hopefully ultron will as well. I'll try and divert them if possible, but it looks like it's still up in the air. Best case we may be able to buy you time? What if we evicted a neighbor, maybe you could move in?
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
10:57 PM ET (US)
Well I can't tell if Salva is serious, so I put a vote down for Mazre just in case.
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franconp
05-13-2015
11:18 PM ET (US)
I also thought about evicting a neighbour so Ultron or me could move in but it will make pretty clear to town that one of us is mafia. So one of us will be evicted the second day (50-50) and if it is Ultron I will be next the third day.
It's too much of a risk and we don't even know if that rule exist. As we are right now nobody knows how the neighbour system works.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
01:39 AM ET (US)
Mazre has now voted to lynch both of you guys and invited me to his house. He has effectively hit every known member of the HHA. Chances of someone just knowing who the HHA are seems really low, but then this game already seems quite unique, but it's a crazy coincidence otherwise.
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franconp
05-14-2015
06:22 AM ET (US)
So Ultron roleclaimed, but we don't know if he is telling us the truth or not. If he isn't a cop i'm pretty much screwed the next day (unless there ism't a cop).
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franconp
05-14-2015
06:51 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking I should roleclaim as a cop (which I am, only a corrupt one) and offer to investigate someone the town choose. If they confirm that their role is what I claim it is I will be pretty much saved for a long time. The only way this will work is if there isn't any other cop (as he can investigate me) and if the one who can investigate who used a night action on someone (and we know that he exist) doesn't target the same townie.
I think It's a mayor bet but it's the best I can think right now. What do you think?
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:12 AM ET (US)
That might be the best option. You're racking up votes so you'll need to say something.
Now, whether you choose "cop" or not...I'm not sure. I think it will at least buy you a day.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:14 AM ET (US)
Maybe something like you can protect two people? Urgh, but then it will look suspicious if we don't go after you and ultron.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:31 AM ET (US)
Let me think about it for a bit.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:06 AM ET (US)
But I'm a cop, a HHA cop, but a cop. This way I can prove I'm who I say I am and clear my name for a while.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:13 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking roleclaiming and offer town to investigate someone at random the 1st night, post the results the 2nd day and evict that person so I probe I'm who I say. This will clear my name and give us time. The only problem I see is if I'm unlucky and target our secret partner. It's a small chance but it exist.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
08:16 AM ET (US)
You're probably right. The only problem I see is if either:
1) You end up having to investigate ultron.
2) We know there's most likely another cop on their side, and he could easily investigate you
3) If you roleclaim as a cop, then it's going to look fishy if the HHA doesn't evict you during the night.
That said, I think it's probably our best bet.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
1) I will offer to investigate someone at random. It doesn't make sense I investigate Ultron as I can't probe anything without being evicted with him.
2) If what Ultron said was right, and I don't think he was lying, now I think I'm the only one who can investigate. We know for certain that there is someone that can investigate who act on someone if there is another investigator it would be to much a leverage to town.
3) I'm going to ask for protection for the nights so i'm not evicted forcing the important town roles to protect me and we can act more easily at night.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
08:55 AM ET (US)
Good points. All right, let's positive thinking!
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
09:35 AM ET (US)
They seem to be possibly leaning away from evicting the roomies now - you may want to hold off on roleclaiming for just a little longer.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
09:47 AM ET (US)
Good play, I hope it works.
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franconp
05-14-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)
I think I'm safe for now. Also this give a chance to roleclaim in the future to avoid eviction.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
Yeah, you did good. I think we may be in the clear.
I think we should turn our attention to Mazre, make people think that he is HHA. That means not killing him during the night, but maybe going after Haly, who was accusing him? Mazre is the long, suspicious pole in the tent (though McQ is also up there), and if we can misdirect their attacks that would give us another night if they choose to evict Mazre tomorrow.
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franconp
05-14-2015
10:40 AM ET (US)
I would like to know what he's thinking first. Maybe Hobohodo can get us some important information during their chat.
For all we know he is town, but is role is nothing relevant.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:42 AM ET (US)
No worries, we have time to figure that out. Just throwing out my thoughts with what I know at this point- more information is always better.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
11:44 AM ET (US)
Excellent. Looks like we're heading for a "No Evict" for the first day
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franconp
05-14-2015
12:00 PM ET (US)
I'm leaning to investigate Razmos the fist night. He is next to Hobohodo and his power only can be used on his neighbours. I don't think we should evict him as this will make his neighbours the main suspects but we need to know what can he do.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
12:06 PM ET (US)
Yeah. If we want to evict people that aren't neighbors to us, that only leaves Haly, Kalor, Kingkitty, RobotNinjaHornets, Tucah, Freakzilla, Timeaisis, nin1000, Coppanuva, and Hippiehobo.
I do think we need to poke around the top left corner though, since it's likely our partner is up there. I'm leaning towards it being either Kalor or RobotNinjaHornets. Kalor in particular didn't seem to want to evict the roommates, and RNH went straight for Toma at the beginning, so maybe he's an aggressive HHA partner?
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
12:07 PM ET (US)
Also, Hobo (hope you did well on your exam!) if you get back before the voting ends, you may want to No Evict to push the majority over.
Er, I guess we need two more votes total, actually.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
I've added more notes to the spreadsheet, and you guys are free to edit the document as well.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
02:45 PM ET (US)
Cheers Ourobolus, think it went well.
Had planned on getting on earlier but being the last exam form the year got a bit caught up in stuff the rest of the day. Seems to have been an active day with plenty of stuff happening so I'll spend some time catching up. But yeah gonna go ahead and stick a No Evict vote in.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
Also, I apologize for bombarding you guys with messages. It's been the slowest week at work - most of my federal bosses are out for the week, and since I need them around to sign off and approve things, it's kinda ground to a halt.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)
Provided no one unvotes, We survived the first day! Wooooooo
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
03:28 PM ET (US)
I can tell you're bored, found the message in the Google doc haha. Its good though, will be sure to edit it if something comes up and I'm online.
If just one more person votes then we are in the clear, as once a majority is reached any votes won't count.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
We made it!
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franconp
05-14-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
And we survive a day.
Now we plot.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)
As far as eviction goes, what are your thoughts on Kingkitty? He voted for Mazre, and also is adjacent to Mazre, so if we take Kingkitty out it may lay a lot of attention on Mazre, who I believe we are pretty sure is a townie or at least a third party.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:07 PM ET (US)
Yes!
I'm looking through Launchpads posts at the moment trying to see if he posted anything that comes of as part of a description. Gotta assume he is telling the truth though as otherwise he just signalled to all of the town players that he isn't town...
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:08 PM ET (US)
I looked too and nothing stood out, so let me know if you find something
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:10 PM ET (US)
Could do, he also has a disagreement going with Launchpad we may get people to cling to.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:16 PM ET (US)
Nothing sticks out, like if he has slipped something in its really craftily done. Only things that could be odd are his comments on a designated weed picker and going fishing right at the start, but to be honest everyone was posting nonsense then.
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franconp
05-14-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
I don't have a problem evicting Kingkitty. He isn't a neighbour of any of us, he defended me so it doesn't make any of us suspicious and he attacked Mazre. I don't think town will go with Mazre but we have nothing to lose. Maybe we are lucky and he is our secret partner.
Regarding my investigation I still think I should investigate Razmos. He claimed he has a role and that it can affect Hobohodo.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:36 PM ET (US)
Well we can still discuss other options for eviction if you have them. Anyone else we could direct them to?
I'm curious who the cop will investigate? The roommates or Razmos?
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:36 PM ET (US)
Good spot Franconp, didn't notice Razmos had said that.
The night phase will end once Kark had received all night roles yeah? Once we decide on someone do you reckon we should wait a day or so before submitting our vote? I just wonder if people will look at the more active players if the night ends quickly.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I say give it a bit of time before we do anything. I've been pretty active so I would possibly be suspicious.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:46 PM ET (US)
Oh I also got a bit more info about my invitation from Marze. Essentially it doesn't matter if I talk to him the topic or not, I am considered permanently invited to his for the remainder of the game. As is anyone else who he invites for that matter. So I'm going to lose nothing by talking to him providing I don't say anything to get him suspicious. Hopefully I was invited purely for being a neighbour and not because he suspects me of something this early on. In that regard I can't actually imagine us being able to say much back and forth as the times for him posting and me posting in the main thread havent particularly lined up the last few days.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:52 PM ET (US)
Hm. I don't like the idea of the townies having a separate forum. I think we may have to try to convince people to evict Mazre tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:52 PM ET (US)
Oh, damn. Actually, maybe it'll work in our favor since you are in there...
And since he isn't a ordinary townie, you could claim that to him without suspicion too.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:57 PM ET (US)
Also if Mazre is limited to just his neighbours when it comes to inviting I don't think it's out of the question to assume there may be at least one other player with that ability. Otherwise it will just be a private chat for the top corner.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:58 PM ET (US)
You could also claim to be a cop, and we can just provide certain data, like whatever Razmos is.
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franconp
05-14-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
I don't like the idea of Hobohodo claimming being a cop. If that happens and I'm forced to roleclaim in the future (and I'm SURE I will have to) this will lead to complications.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)
Good point. Either way, we may want to put pressure on Mazre, but if nothing happens we may be able to get information from his forum
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franconp
05-14-2015
05:59 PM ET (US)
Thinking about the Mazre situation I don't think he suspects anything about you, he must have a role that allows him to invite neighbours to a private chatroom. That makes sense with all that he said about planting a tree that will grow into the future. If anything we are lucky you were the first invited there as, if you don't bring suspicious on yourself, we can have a source of information about what are thinking 3 more towns.
Also, looking in the map, Mazre is also Kingkitty neighbour so he will surely get an invitation too, sooner or later. So I'm now thinking that's not such a good idea to evict Kingkitty.
The one I would prefer to evict tonight is Haly, but maybe it will make town more suspicious of me (If that were to happen I can play the roleclaiming card).
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
06:37 PM ET (US)
So now that I realise night talk is banned its apparent that all Mazre's ability is there for is to allow a small group of players to continue to discuss things at night. After all in terms of what we can say and how much to trust, it's identical to if we were talking in the main thread. If he stays alive though it will slowly build up a group of players I guess.I've asked him if he can only invite adjacent players or if he can invite from the whole town so we will have an idea of the extent to which this group can grow, but if it's only adjacent I'd guess the idea is for there to be little pockets of discussions happening at night all over town.
We are able to both kill and investigate yeah? Sometimes I've played variations where Mafia can only make one move a night. If we can do both actions then I feel an investigation should be carried out on either.
Someone in the top left corner, see if our buddy is up there as it's the only part of the map we lack a presence.
Ultron87, work out who francorp has been paired up with.
Razmos, they can do something if they are to be believed and that something could effect me.
Who to kill I'm still kinda unsure on.
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karkador
05-14-2015
06:52 PM ET (US)
Yes, you get your one night eviction + the use of roles
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franconp
05-14-2015
07:10 PM ET (US)
Yes, we can do both actions. Only I can investigate, as is my unique role, but any of us can evict, that should be Ourobolus as he doesn't leave any information of his actions.
I still think that an investigation on Ultron shouldn't be our priority now. There's nothing much to gain, as we can't evict him even if he has a diferent role of which he claimed. Also, as I said before, I think we will be the target of several roles tonight.
As who to evict I'm leaning to someone who have 3 neighbours. That would be:
Tomakasatnav
Tucah
Foshy
nin1000
LaunchpadMcQ
21GunShow
Razmos
Mazre
salvapot
Of that list I think we should investigate Razmos so he would be out. Mazre is out too as we already know what he can do. I also think evicting LaunchpadMcQ would me a main target so he would be also out (and he appears to be a normal townie). We can role out the neighbours of each one of us to not raise suspicions on us right now (that would be Tomakasatnav, 21GunShow,Foshy and salvapot). So that leaves us:
Tucah
nin1000
After re-reading all the post both made I think that Tucah can be our missing partner. I think we should try evicting him. If he is our missing partner good for us, and if he is not we evict a townie with a lot of neighbours and we don't raise suspicious on any of us.
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franconp
05-14-2015
07:19 PM ET (US)
Also I should say that after reading again my role description it doesn't say it would inform me of the affiliation of the target. That means nothing to us as we already know who mafia are, and the rest should be town, but that also could mean that the townies have a cop with them (someone who can obtein information of the affiliations and not the roles). I'm still not sure about this, as having someone who can obtain information on who uses night action on a certain player and also a cop would give townies to much a leverage on the game, but the posibility exist.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:25 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure about ultron, really. Since he's stuck with you, he can't really do a whole lot, and he may end up being a target tomorrow anyway (we need to take that into account on who we evict tonight).
While knowing his role might be interesting to know, but it doesn't get us a whole lot of information, I think. Best case we learn something , but he can't do much without evicting himself.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:39 PM ET (US)
Tucah might not be a bad choice for eviction, though. His neighbors have been pretty quiet so far, so that may draw suspicion on them.
Think we should discuss who to investigate further, though.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:54 PM ET (US)
Yeah. Foshy hasn't posted since before the game started, and freakzilla only posted once since then, and it was on page 1.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
02:56 AM ET (US)
So Mazre can only invite adjacent players which mean he is quite limited so I reckon there will be other night chats going on across the village. This could also mean that a few roles are limited to adjacent steps and so could work in our favour if we do evict Tucah as they may just suspect the players around him.
You make a good point on Ultron though, for now we can't do anything to him so maybe it's not worth using a turn on him when we have other possible moves.
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franconp
05-15-2015
07:06 AM ET (US)
As who to investigate my main target would be Razmos, as he has revealed that he has a role and it could target Hobohodo. I think we need to know what can he do. Maybe he can't really harm us but is better to make sure.
My other 3 targets would be:
-RobotNinjaHornets or Kalor as both are candidates to be our secret partner.
-Haly who I don't think he could be our secret partner but, if my memory isn't wrong, said something about getting more information in the night phase. Right now I should be leaving to work, but later I will look to it further.
Also I want to make a question to Karkador: If there is a sort of medic or something like that he would get notification if his role is used?
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
07:24 AM ET (US)
Haly said this in post 242: "Yep, at least from my perspective. At the very least, depending on what happens during the night I can come closer to pinpointing some HHA."
I don't know if that means anything about a role or just being able to figure more things out just by having new information (I.e. Someone getting evicted at night)
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:04 AM ET (US)
I think we mostly just have to worry about if they choose to investigate the roomies tonight rather than Mazre. Someone else suggested protecting the roomies for tonight, so maybe they didn't actually investigate, but who knows. The next day phase is definitely going to be interesting...
So are we good with evicting Tucah?
As for who to investigate, I think Razmos is a decent choice as well, and Haly would be my second.
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franconp
05-15-2015
08:21 AM ET (US)
I'm ok with evicting Tucah and Investigating Razmos.
Karkador what I want to know it's if there is a medic (or something like that) he gets any notification he protected the target.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:41 AM ET (US)
You can always PM him.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
08:46 AM ET (US)
Yeah Tucah seems a good shout to be evicted.
1. He never was antagonistic with us so nothing will come off like a revenge evict. If anything he was supportive of not evicting the roommates and put up some defence for francorp.
2. If he was putting up an argument for francorp then maybe he is our partner then that also works for us.
As for the investigation I would tend towards Razmos as well. Right now 1 of my neighbours definetly has an ability and now Razmos is claiming to. Gonna need to get a feel for what, if anything, he can do.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:48 AM ET (US)
All right, seems like we have our votes. franconp, feel free to investigate when you hear back from Kark. I'll hold off on evicting someone until later this afternoon (EST).
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:04 AM ET (US)
My question with Karkador it's not relevant with the investigation or the eviction. It's mostly to have an alibi why I don't get evicted tonight. I have thought a couple of excuses and would like to have a little more info.
Also I don't think Kark can answer the question but I don't lose anything asking.
I will PM Kark the investigation later.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
09:08 AM ET (US)
Ah, I see. I misread - I thought you were questioning whether someone would get notification if they protected the person that was being investigated. Gotcha.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
09:31 AM ET (US)
Do we find out the results from the investigation during the night phase, or after?
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:38 AM ET (US)
The PM doesn't says anything but I think it will be after everyone that have night roles uses them.
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:40 AM ET (US)
I have sent the investigation PM.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
12:25 PM ET (US)
I'd guess it will all happen at the start of the day phase.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:26 PM ET (US)
You guys think enough time has passed that I should go ahead and evict?
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karkador
05-15-2015
12:37 PM ET (US)
The night phases wont end early like day phases do, so the timing of your decision makes no difference (but please try to not hold it off til the very end, for my sake)
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Oh, ok. Thanks! I'll PM you.
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franconp
05-15-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
If I understand right it doesn't matter when you use your roles at the night phases.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:39 PM ET (US)
Sent. And now we wait.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:40 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that rule. My reasoning was that I was going to try to evict someone at a time when I don't normally post, but if it doesn't matter then...
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franconp
05-15-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)
Hobohodo did you have a talk with Mazre?
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
03:26 PM ET (US)
Yeah we've had a small chat but there isn't much to it. The gist of it all is.
He could only invite adjacent players,
He doesn't think we will be able to freely move to a vacant house (which I agree with)
He thinks a player may have the ability to move people into houses (again I am inclined to agree)
It is basically just a drastically reduced version of the main thread. If he survives long enough then eventually 4 of us can chat away in there but all it allows us to have us a place of discussion at night. As I said I reckon there are going to be a few pockets of these across the map as I can't see what is gained by just having one corner chat away at night.
The biggest worry for me is double checking every time that I am posting HHA stuff in this quick topic and not his!
Also good to know that the night phase length is always fixed!
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
03:29 PM ET (US)
Hm, I wonder if I'll get invited to one soon enough then, since I've got the bottom-left corner.
I agree with him on the two points though. I wonder who has that role though, if it exists.
While I like in theory the fixed night cycles, I do get antsy wanting to see what becomes of our actions!
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:25 AM ET (US)
If anyone else got invited tonight they may mention it or allude to it tomorrow. I was able to tell people I had been invited to Mazre's house if I wished for instance.
I guess we need to give Kark time to sort it all out...but it's hard to not get impatient!
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
12:48 PM ET (US)
Nice, looks like Tucah had a special role, and we picked a good night to off him.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
12:49 PM ET (US)
You find out anything about Razmos?
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franconp
05-17-2015
01:04 PM ET (US)
Well, my role is not so useful has I hoped it would be. I only get the name of the role but not what it does.
Razmos role's is Town Gossip, but I have no idea what he can do. I'm thinking it could be the same role as Mazre.
Tucah was a good hit, he had some tricky role.
Let's see how the day phase goes.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
01:46 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I feel like that's the same role as Mazre, too.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:14 PM ET (US)
I'd agree on Razmos' roll being the same as Mazre. Though they would be very close then. Potentially I could be invited to Razmos' to chat as well if that's the case. Only other thing I could see it being would be something like he can put out gossip on people. Maybe make it seem like someone acted at night to the roles that detect night time activity. In the sense that he is spreading gossip so to speak.
Either way we gotta start thinking about our play here. They are already considering the idea we are limited to neighbours which makes me think the people saying that could have night roles that limit them to neighbours. Will also need to consider that I've been flagged up as being in a prime position to neighbour lots of people (based on the assumption that all 8 squares count) but I probably won't worry about that yet.
Thinking long term as well what ever our play is going to be I reckon we shouldn't have all 3 of us agreeing instantly. Gotta keep us seeming a separate entity as long as we can.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:50 PM ET (US)
So did anyone take Toma's post not hearing anything as anything other than a joke? Seems odd that Launchpad is using stuff like that to try and make a deduction.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
03:55 PM ET (US)
I think it was just a joke, but let them focus on it
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
'It was a very clever pick. What we learned from Night 1 is that the HHA have some crafty motherfuckers.'
Damm right!
Hopefully some more guys will pop on and post soon as this is the original end time. We can try and work out how to play this off then.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
04:47 PM ET (US)
Hm, I want to steer them away from diagonals, but considering I was diagonal to Tucah it would probably leave me suspicious. I'm not sure how to chime in just yet.
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franconp
05-17-2015
04:50 PM ET (US)
I think you don't need to say anything right now. Let's wait and see how they react to the evict.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
04:51 PM ET (US)
I posted something generic. I wanted to at least keep a presence rather than drifting away, since I was pretty talkative the first day.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
04:59 PM ET (US)
There is one plan I've got, but it depends on what Mazre would consider an adjacent players, as when I asked him about who he could invite to the house he said adjacent players. Now he role claimed pretty early so it's well known he has a night role.
Now as long as adjacent players does just mean up, down, left and right to him we could try and get him to share this info in the thread.
If we go this route though we gotta be careful not to slip up as you guys shouldn't be aware of Mazre's ability.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:07 PM ET (US)
Razmos already stated in the thread that he can only go one space up/down/left/right.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:25 PM ET (US)
Ahh, I had forgotten about that! Should work in our favour mind. as we think that he could have the same role as Mazre if we get two of them saying that it could get you off the hook for corners.
Of course with that information people may realise the Mafia can't be bound be geography without there being loads of us, but ar the moment I would say everyone is leading towards geography restricting us.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:30 PM ET (US)
I'm hoping that the adjacency argument buys us a day or two, at the very least.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:38 PM ET (US)
*laughs maniacally*
MWAHAHAHAHAHa
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
Huehuehuehuehue
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franconp
05-17-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)
Ourobolus that was dangerous. Right now we don't need to take great risks as there is no clue who we are, and the probability of hitting one of us by a random eviction is low. I think we should post the least possible information.
With soo many players the only way town can find one of us is with contradictions or excess of information. We should avoid that and play with their confusion and their lack of information.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:51 PM ET (US)
Yeah adjacency stuff should have us ticking over for s bit.
If we get real desperate to get Mazre's info out there then I can at least say that I was contacted by him. This should probably be a last resort however as if I was a townie I doubt I would reveal stuff about another (most likely) townie with an ability as it could get him evicted, people may pick up,on that. Also could draw suspicion from a neutral party as well if I spell out a connexion between us.
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
I don't think we should target Mazre. Mazre's chat could be a source of information to us.
I think we should wait and see who town what's to evict. If it's a big majority we add our votes. If it's distributed in several townies we should split our votes.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I'll try to be more careful. I'm gonna lay low for a bit. I had to clarify since Razmos had definitely said something before.
And I agree - let's see where they lean. Mazre isn't a target just yet and they seem to be thinking about Foshy or Freak.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:35 PM ET (US)
Damn. I may have fucked up. Sorry guys.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:38 PM ET (US)
Hopefully launchpad's accusation can just be written off as deflection based on people accusing him, but I dunno... :/
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:39 PM ET (US)
Don't worry. They don't have anything to suspect of you. They are saying James to see if someone tales the bait. Just let them post and wait to see how ir goes
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:39 PM ET (US)
Saying names.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:42 PM ET (US)
Yeah. I'm not going to say anything.
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:53 PM ET (US)
Let's wait and see. The only one saying your name is launchpad and he isn't in a good position right now.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
11:57 AM ET (US)
Yeah people seem to be quieter initially here, I guess because we gave them very little to go on by killing Tucah. Gotta assume that later today or tomorrow some of the guys from the last game will start moving things forward again, just got to hope they don't go back to the roomies as we haven't provided them with more info.
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franconp
05-18-2015
12:10 PM ET (US)
I don't think we (Ultron and me) would be in trouble today. And if things turn that way I can roleclaim, post what Razmos role is and force his eviction to prove that I'm an investigator. I'd prefer to do it later in the game (so I have more info) but I can do it this turn if needed.
I'm still waiting to see who the first vote goes to. Right now Launchpad seems the main target, but there are no votes.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
12:25 PM ET (US)
From the way Foshy describes his ability. (Target someone and then they could vouch for him the next day) he could have the ability to invite people to a private forum in a similar way to Mazre.
Just worth us bearing in mind.
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ourobolus
05-18-2015
12:27 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I saw that too. Hopefully he reaches out to me tonight.
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franconp
05-18-2015
12:36 PM ET (US)
How many players have the same role?
We know that Mazre have it, Razmos is very likely to have it and now Foshy seems too. At this rate we probably have 5-6 night chats going on.
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franconp
05-18-2015
01:44 PM ET (US)
Razmos almost confirm what we suspected of his role. Do we know what happens when the player with the role is evicted? Does the chatromm dies with him or it stays open with the rest of the members?
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franconp
05-18-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)
And Razmos roleclaimed and ruined my alibi. Luckily I'm not on the spot right now so I can get info on someone else at night.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
02:14 PM ET (US)
In Mazre's case if he dies then his chat room stays open.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
Hmm we need to get them off the idea that town gossip has been placed there to purposefully look at someone and could instead be just to provide pockets of discussion at night.
I don't wanna bring this up now as it may make me seem suspicious. Would be good if Mazre pipes up soon though as he has the exact same role. Of course this could make people suspicious of me as I am then a common target for both of the town gossips we know of =/
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Ourobolus
05-18-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't say anything unless Mazre specifically calls you out.
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ourobolus
05-18-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
Huh. Pretty sure freakzilla is going down tonight. Wonder if he is our partner?
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
06:12 PM ET (US)
Let's hope not or we kinda brought it upon him by going for Tucah and banking on his science making him suspicious...I would also hope that our partner would have slightly more tact than that of they were Mafia, came across very defensive at that point.
I need to go back through and see if he said anything or if he was just inactive.
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Ourobolus
05-18-2015
06:19 PM ET (US)
I don't actually think he is our partner. I think he is just flailing due to everyone jumping on him. I still think our partner is Kalor.
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franconp
05-18-2015
07:41 PM ET (US)
I also think is Kalor or RobotNinjaHornets.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
08:38 AM ET (US)
Man, the Star Wars thread is ridiculously more active than ours. And they are out for blood.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
01:54 PM ET (US)
I think the Star Wars thread has more guys who played last time? Could explain the increased activity for them.
I think our activity is quite slow due to the position everyone is in. Really this is just becoming a repeat of yesterday for everyone due to the No Lynch vote. Anyway, I feel like we should probably get some votes of our own thrown out soon.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
I kinda want to lean them towards the inactives but I'm thinking about not voting just yet due to my proximity to Tucah. Some people are still latching on to that concept.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
My reasoning would basically be getting rid of an inactive:
If HHA: Great!
If Town: They weren't really contributing much anyway. At least ultron and franconp are in the discussion.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:58 PM ET (US)
Though quite a few now are picking up with voting out the roommates again, so we need to figure out a way to steer that somewhere else...
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:11 PM ET (US)
For the sake of consistency with my posts I need to wait a little bit before backing the idea of an inactive. My last post mentioned that I only wanna go to a random inactive as a last resort if the day was heading to a close and no one had gotten anywhere. If I flipflop on that now Haly could see it as me being guided by other players. They have already mentioned the possibility of that happening and they most likely know we have this forum for that to happen in.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)
Also, how do we go about checking everyones post count for the thread? Was about to look at it and update our spreadsheet then I realised I don't actually know how to go about it.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:21 PM ET (US)
Click the number of posts in Off-Topic Community list for the thread. That will bring up the list.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:23 PM ET (US)
I updated the post counts if you want to record the various votes.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
Awesome, yeah I'll go through and do that.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:40 PM ET (US)
I think it's funny that they seem to mostly be focusing on ultron as the HHA role in the roommate house.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
Yeah, in the long run it won't matter who they suspect, but it makes for some entertaining reading.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
Yeah. It's gonna be a thorn in our side at some point, but it is still funny.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
09:26 PM ET (US)
I can't tell if LMQ suspects me or not, since he left me off his list. At least he doesn't really suspect either of you!
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:13 AM ET (US)
It's amazing how much the demolished house is leading discussion, can't blame them though.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
Christ, I go to bed and the thread explodes again.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
08:37 AM ET (US)
Tell me about it. Reading through the thread as I eat my breakfast is becoming increasingly more common.
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franconp
05-20-2015
09:38 AM ET (US)
Seeing how the thread is going after the eviction of tucah I'm thinking we should evict someone completly unrelated with Tucah and not a suspect today. I'm leaning to evict Timeaisis or Kingkitty. Both of them won't give any clues and the reactions on the 3rd day will be interesting.
As my investigation I'm thinking of Kalor or Darryl. I need someone to serve me as an alibi in case I'm in trouble the next day phase. The problem would be if Kalor is the secret partner, as I wouldn't have something to prove my role.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
10:39 AM ET (US)
I agree. I was leaning towards kingkitty before and nothing has really changed for him to draw any suspicion towards us. Timeaisis I think might be good to leave around for a little bit, solely because he doesn't seem to want to evict the roommates.
I think we should investigate Kalor. He's still at the top of my list for being our secret partner.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:36 PM ET (US)
If we keep going down this road, we may want to investigate someone like launchpad (since I'm pretty confident that he isn't HHA) so that you can provide some info without worrying about finding the secret partner.
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franconp
05-20-2015
02:52 PM ET (US)
The problem is that he already claimed to be a regular townfolk so, if that's true, my investigation won't mean anything. I would need to investigate someone with a role. So far, according to launchpad's post, the following player's have roleclaimed:
Special Roles
Mazre (vague)
Razmos (Town Gossip)
Ultron (Troublemaker)
Kalor (vague)
foshy (vague)
HippieHobo (vague)
I have already investigated Razmos (and he posted his role and give me a problem) and Ultron it's no good. Foshy's role is pretty clear with the post he made so it's no good either. So my options are:
Mazre (vague)
Kalor (vague)
HippieHobo (vague)
If HippieHobo is forced to reveal the name of his role I would have nothing again. The same with Mazre, he can roleclaim anytime. So Kalor or someone who hasn't said he has a role would be my best bet.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:54 PM ET (US)
Good point. The problem with you investigating someone like Kalor, they could assume you two are on the same team and you could be covering for them. I think it might make more sense to go after Hippiehobo though, since he has yet to actually say what the name of his role is.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:55 PM ET (US)
At this point I'm hoping they all decide to evict Haly.
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franconp
05-20-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
I thought of Hippiehobo but if he give in and says the name of his role, it's Razmos situation all over again and I'm sure i will be evicted the 3rd day.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:02 PM ET (US)
Right, well we may have to hope it doesn't come to that. If Kalor turns out to be our partner, what would you say after you investigated him? Regular townie?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:02 PM ET (US)
HA
Foshy just invited me over to his house. Guess he's a Town Gossip as well.
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franconp
05-20-2015
03:39 PM ET (US)
If I investigate Kalor and he turns up to be our partner I'm screwed. I can't say I investigated him has there is not a way to prove it (the only way I have to prove being an investigator is forcing town to evict someone I investigate). I need to investigate someone else this turn.
As Hippiehobbo seems to be out for good in this phase my main targets would be someone who hasn't roleclaimed:
kingkitty
Darryl
Timeaisis
SmokinGunZ198
Nin1000
Coppanuva
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:42 PM ET (US)
Well kingkitty is out, because I still think he's our best bet for eviction (unless you guys have a better idea).
What about Foshy? He never explicitly stated he was a Town Gossip, just gave a vague hint as to what he could do.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)
Well I've chucked my vote down on Hippiehobo, seems like it is going to go that way.
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franconp
05-20-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Foshy it's the same as Mazre, we already know their roles.
I could Investigate him to see if his role has the same name as Razmos, but it isn't a strong alibi. The role name it's already out.
Of the previous list my main targets would be Darryl, Timeaisis and Nin1000.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Ditto. Luckily a ton of people are bandwagoning, but still. I don't think we can get by without voting. Maybe fran can skip today if he wants.
I wanted to vote for Haly, but it wouldn't make any difference.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Foshy never said what his role does, only that it activates at day and his target finds out at night.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
Fran, are you looking to investigate someone totally unknown, or someone that we know what the role is, but the rest of the forum doesn't?
Although, nvm. It makes sense to go after one of those three and we can always claim you investigated Foshy if need be.
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franconp
05-20-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
The problem with Foshy and Mazre it's both of you have been invited. So they could make connections between the 3 of us. It's a long shot but it's best to be cautious.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:33 PM ET (US)
True. All right. I'll trust your judgment on this one.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
Are you gonna vote, Fran? Might make sense to pick someone other than Hippiehobo if you do.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
Hey so just remind me again why we were gonna vote king kitty tonight?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:44 PM ET (US)
My reasoning is he is pretty benign, like Tucah. He's also been picking freakzilla today, so maybe that can draw suspicion. He hasn't really been a threat yet, but he's been pretty quiet. He may have a power role too, he's one of the ones that hasn't claimed anything yet.
He's also far enough away that if they are still on that proximity kick it should absolve all of us.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:47 PM ET (US)
Ahh fair enough, that seems good enough logic to me.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
05:11 PM ET (US)
Wonder if the three voting Haly will just switch to Hippie to end the day quicker, or if they will defiantly hold on to those votes to the end?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)
I'm curious of launchpad's request. I'd much rather evict Haly over Hippiehobo, but...
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
Yeah I agree that really if Haly isn't our secret partner they will be pretty dangerous in the long run as they seem to have a good handle on everything.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
I unvoted for now. I want to hear his logic.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:11 PM ET (US)
I'll probably hold off going of Hippie myself for a bit, even if launchpad comes up with some good stuff and starts a bandwagon. My earlier post was rather supportive of Haly so don't wanna seem like I'm flip-flopping to much. Always going to be good if we have some apposing votes as well.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:12 PM ET (US)
Right. Fran hasn't voted, you're on Hippie, and I can be the "reasonable" party for now. Probably best that we divide up our votes.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:21 PM ET (US)
Yeah,
Also just something for us to bear in mind if me and fran get more active with our post counts and start to have some back and forth dialogues with other players (right now whenever I post it's pretty much just a summary of the thoughts I wanna put forward, partly been due to University commitments but I finished today so aim to be a bit more active going forward) we need to make sure to not ignore each other. In a game I played before someone got pretty suspicious of a fair chunk of the mafia as they were engaged in discussion with the more active townies, but because of there own forum to discuss stuff never really spoke to each other much in the main thread.
Just worth us to consider I reckon.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
For now, I think we are doing the appropriate level of discussion. I seem to do the most, Fran the least. The only sticking point is making sure to keep Fran out of the spotlight. He's got a giant bullseye on his back because of his roommate, and not to be crude, but if you go out we at least get a benefit of double eviction. We gotta keep Fran around as long as possible, so our discussion needs to reflect that.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:37 PM ET (US)
Haha don't worry about being crude, when I first saw my role I realised that out of all of us I would find most use in death. Actually makes me wonder what role/ability our missing partner could have. I hope it is a useful one which is why we don't start the game with it.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
08:09 PM ET (US)
Ugh. Hopefully Mazre doesn't muck up the vote count tonight. Hobo and I would qualify for his vote.
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Hobohodo
05-21-2015
03:14 AM ET (US)
So thankfully he plopped on Nin1000 for now.
I'm trying to work out wether to respond to HippieHobo or not. I worry be may rail in at anyone who posts from here on but doesn't acknowledge his question. I was thinking something along the lines of...
'The problem is that everyone will claim to be town and for the regular villagers there is nothing they can do to prove it. The guys with abilities are able to do a bit more if they can prove there abaility, as you and I believe Razmos have so far done. The other issue is whar we disussed earlier. If everyone ends up going in and proving an ability or adding themselves to the pool of standard townies, which by extension narrows down those who have abilities, then we essentially paint targets on the backs of the HHA.'
Thought?
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
06:59 AM ET (US)
I'd ignore it for now. I doubt many people will respond, but who knows? Everyone can just lie.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
08:34 AM ET (US)
Hm. If for some reason Hippiehobo survives the day, we may want to consider evicting Haly. LMQ and HH would probably be the prime suspects for that, I think?
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franconp
05-21-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I don't think he will survive but if he does I'm ok with it.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:36 AM ET (US)
Oh man, that first eviction in the Star Wars thread is rough. That role would have been amazing.
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franconp
05-21-2015
09:43 AM ET (US)
I'm sure they are regreating detaining him now.
Reading Launchpad last post I'm thinking it's not a good idea evicting Haly. I think we should go along with our previous plan and evict Kingkitty. If we don't give a clue the next day will be a witch-hunt between Launchpad and HippieHobbo vs Haly.
Remember that confusion favors us.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:44 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I just read his post - I agree. Hopefully they can keep up this back and forth for a while.
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franconp
05-21-2015
09:53 AM ET (US)
Reviewing the map again I think another good eviction can be Coppanuva.
He hasn't talk much so he can't be linked to any of us and he is next to both nin1000 and Launchpad.
If they have suspicions between them now if we evict Coppanuva it could lead to an all out war.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Hm. I hadn't considered him since nin1000 had been pretty quiet until right now, but yeah, that's a good point. He's about as middle-of-the-road as kingkitty is.
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franconp
05-21-2015
10:03 AM ET (US)
He also voted to evict Haly.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:16 PM ET (US)
Another day survived. Good job guys.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:29 PM ET (US)
And we are safe again. And even better is that there aren't any suspicions of any of us yet.
HippieHobo is out, so we need to discuss who we evict now and who I investigate.
For eviction I'm leaning between Kingkitty and Coppanuva. For investigation between Kalor, Darryl and Timeaisis.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:35 PM ET (US)
I'm right there with you. While I hope that the Launchpad<->nin1000<->Haly debacle continues, they may start diverting to you and ultron, so maybe it's a good idea to investigate Timeaisis? Considering I think Kalor is the secret partner, while on one hand we need to figure out who he is, we also need to safeguard your role.
And due to the whole nin1000 thing, I'm leaning towards Coppanuva as the eviction, but I could be swayed either way, really.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Huh, based on HH's role description, it looks like he could have double-voted multiple times.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)
I saw that too. We are lucky he is out because he was very risky.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)
Oh yeah, I have Foshy's nighttime room also. Forgot about that.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:51 PM ET (US)
Also HH's has been destroyed too so no chance of moving out.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
01:10 PM ET (US)
Well let's see what Hobo's thoughts are. Disappointing about the lack of moving houses. That's gonna get old real fast with you and your roommate.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
I think Hobo and I need to figure out a strategy for the next day phase as well. We were bandwagoning pretty hard this past one, and I know I would probably find it suspicious.
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franconp
05-21-2015
03:58 PM ET (US)
It would be too shitty to evict EzekelRAGE???
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
04:08 PM ET (US)
Haha, I thought about that. That seems just too much of a dick move though. They mentioned it in the separate mafia thread though, heh.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
03:18 AM ET (US)
I mean if we did evict EzekelRAGE it would quite literally give them nothing to go on as he has done nothing at all. It is hilarious but oh so dickish.
King kitty has been invited into Mazre's forum, so that makes three of us there now. If we evict him then Mazre could spill th beans about being a town gossip, this will let them all know that I am surrounded by 2 town gossips which could get people suspicious of me being surrounded by them. Also as I was not invited by Razmos then he must have invited Timeasis, meaning I should get an invite tomorrow.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
04:13 AM ET (US)
As for working out a strategy right now Mazre is trying to work out a code or something that those of us in his chat can use to coordinate in the day phrase. Mazre had a lot of pull in Day 1 when he was active so maybe I should follow suit with whatever he wants to do in the next day phase regardless of how things play out? I'll give a more comprehensive run down or what's been discussed so far later as I got to head off for work now.
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ourobolus
05-22-2015
07:32 AM ET (US)
Razmos called out inviting Timeaisis in the thread, which Time confirmed. Foshy has yet to post anything in his thread, so I posted a quick "Hello" to maybe get him going. What do you mean by "code?" Coordinate what?
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franconp
05-22-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I was only joking about EzekelRAGE. I saw that thread too.
As Kingkitty has been invited to the chat I think we should wait and not evict him. If they are planning to use a code or something it could be beneficial to us as we will know what they want to do. Also that means Mazre trust you so we are ok.
So my main target for eviction would be Coppanuva. I don't see any problem with his eviction. He is close to me but I've been in the spot every day so it won't affect much.
For the investigation I'm still leaning to Darryl, Timeaisis and Kalor.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
10:17 AM ET (US)
As much as I'd really like to investigate Kalor, I think it might be better to do one of the other two so that you can get some defense in case you are target during the next Day phase, just in case Kalor is our partner. Unless you think you can swing that in our favor.
I'm fine with evicting Coppanuva though.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
10:49 AM ET (US)
Right now his code thing is just an idea and pretty vague. Don't know if we will pull it off but the idea is just to have an easy way to share our ideas between me, kingkitty and Mazre during the day in a way everyone else won't see. I think the idea is that one of us can post a smessage in he main thread that seems completely innocuous but within it we have stated our intentions to the other two to maybe evict a particular player. The other two can then reply back with an innocuous message that actually has the hidden response saying yay or nay. It appears to be quite an ambitious idea so will have to see how things go.
Kingkitty has only said hello and shown interest in a code, not actually posted much of his thoughts so far.
Companuva is a good candidate in my mind as well, for the investigation I agree that we need to get some info for you to use francorp. What's the reasoning on Darryl and Timeasis again?
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franconp
05-22-2015
10:50 AM ET (US)
We don't know for certain if he is our partner or not. I'm still leaning more for RobotNinjaHornet than Kalor.
Regarding the roleclaim I think it would be best if I roleclaim as an investigator (my actual role) than a cop. If I roleclaim as a cop it will bring more trouble at the long road as I would have to clear suspicion on a townie every turn until there is no one else. It will buy a little time. Also I wouln't be able to lie, as my cover would blow up rather quickly.
If I say I'm an investigator I can inform town of a certain player role and say I don't know his aligment so the town would have to decide what to do. In cases such as Ultron the roles can be ambiguous so that could work in our favor. The problem is that it would be a weaker role.
In my opinion the best target for investigation would be Timeaisis.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
11:02 AM ET (US)
Oh, definitely. I wouldn't roleclaim as a cop. That would likely bring trouble. I'm fine with Timeaisis as well.
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franconp
05-22-2015
11:15 AM ET (US)
I think Darryl or Timeaisis would be good targets as both have been trying to evict me and it wouldn't be weird that I investigate them. Also both of them haven't roleclaimed yet so we don't know what they can and can't do. They are both next to Razmos so I'm pretty sure they aren't town gossip (it wouldn't make sense them to be).
At worst they are regular townies but if they have special roles I can pressure town to evict them to prove my role (and get a complicated player off my back)
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
04:27 PM ET (US)
So should I go ahead and evict Coppanuva?
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franconp
05-22-2015
05:32 PM ET (US)
I would wait a bit. Let's see if we can get any info from the other chats.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
06:11 PM ET (US)
Fine with me. Foshy is pretty quiet usually and hasn't posted anything yet, so I wouldn't expect much from my end other than being able to possibly use his role as leverage in the future.
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
01:48 PM ET (US)
Any new info?
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franconp
05-23-2015
02:23 PM ET (US)
Nothing new. Evict Coppanuva.
I will investigate Timeaisis now as I will be busy and don't know if I will be able to follow the thread tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
Done!
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Hobohodo
05-23-2015
08:20 PM ET (US)
Yeah Mazre's chat hasn't moved on at all. There just hasn't been much for townies to speculate due to our hit on Tucah coming out of know where.
So shall we think on plan of attack for the next Day Phase?
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
09:10 PM ET (US)
I imagine our hit tonight won't provide any more answers for the townies, so I see them focusing in in the roommates or maybe launchpad and nin1000. I'm going to try to keep a low profile for now, maybe parrot some things to keep them off of the roommates. But I don't know - won't really know until we see their reactions!
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Hobohodo
05-24-2015
04:18 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm hoping that Mazre manages to get something working for his private chat so that I can try and gain trust through him this day.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
Darn. Coppa was just a regular townie. You find out anything about Timeasisis?
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franconp
05-24-2015
03:40 PM ET (US)
Yes timeaisis is also a regular townie. Bad luck
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Hobohodo
05-24-2015
04:58 PM ET (US)
Mazre didn't manage to get anything posted at all regarding a code so nothing gained there. Did Froshy ever talk to you ourobolus?
At least suspicions don't seem to be on any of us initially. Going to have to read through the new players post in detail and get his feelings scoped out.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
05:01 PM ET (US)
Damn about Timeaisis.
Foshy never said a word.
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franconp
05-24-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)
Yeah, and the worst is that he isn't to useful as an alibi.
Let's see how the day goes by. So far it seems ok.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
06:09 PM ET (US)
Yeah, so far things seem to be going well. If they keep the pressure on nin1000 or something we may finally be able to take out one of the more talkative players.
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franconp
05-24-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
I also think the same. If nin1000 is evicted we should try to evict launchpad or haly. But the day just started so there's a long way ahead.
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franconp
05-25-2015
02:16 PM ET (US)
The last Razmos's post is quite interesting (post 740). He is sharing his chatroom with Darryl and Timeaisis right? If any info was revealed in the private chat it had to come from Darryl as we know that Timeaisis is an ordinary townfolk so he can't obtain info. Luckily for us Hobohodo will have access to the same info tonight and, asuming the info is important, we would be forced to act.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
02:26 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I thought the same too. I think we need to see what happens here though, nin1000 just jumped on Razmos as if he knew something, which could work in our favor. He just painted a huge bullseye on himself.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:33 PM ET (US)
Yeah I'm intrigued now, hopefully Razmos does choose to invite me tonight. He could always decide to keep me out for one reason or another.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:35 PM ET (US)
Also, if I am keeping track then Razmos is also the only player who has revealed there role in the thread correct?
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
Correct. Also, Hobo - you gotta stop posting right after i do. It's going to seem suspicious.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
In terms of town gossips that is.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:43 PM ET (US)
My bad, hadn't noticed a closeness in our postings. It hasn't been intentional but I'll try and leave some space between us!
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:43 PM ET (US)
I figured it wasn't intentional, just something you need to be aware of
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:51 PM ET (US)
I'll respond to you just to hopefully set off any trail that may be occurring.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
07:01 PM ET (US)
Good idea,
Will be interesting to see if Froshy or Mazre reveal there role at all this phase. If they do then I can see discussion heading to the fact we have 3 town gossips in play. Along those lines I'm curious if anything can be read into Salvapot being the only player in the top right corner who can't be invited by any of the gossips up there.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
07:23 PM ET (US)
Second time launchpad has brought up the idea that one of the three of us that surround Razmos is HHA. I knows it's still real early in the day to see how this all goes down, but if we did evict launchpad tonight people may look at that theory with more scrutiny.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
I had a feeling that would come up, so I'm hoping that Foshy keeps his mouth shut about his role, since I was invited. If we can't evict Launchpad tonight I propose we look at Haly, Ezekel, or Mazre.
I know Mazre is creating the room, but if he makes the room then if he is gone you can still communicate with the others there and he won't be around to confirm his role.
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franconp
05-25-2015
09:53 PM ET (US)
Mazre posted he doesn't think he will be using his role again today. The only neighbour he can invite left would be freakzilla, so it seems he is doubting about him. It's a shame that we won't have info of freakzilla opinion in the private chat, but that also means he trust Hobohodo so we are ok.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
09:59 PM ET (US)
True, but it also seems like freak is a target in the thread. It may eventually be a problem if Mazre stays alive, but for now it should buy us some time.
My point is that at least one person has picked up on the fact that gossips seem to be spaced out so that they are near one of us (secret partner notwithstanding).
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Hobohodo
05-26-2015
04:05 AM ET (US)
Going to agree with evicting Launchpad, Ezekel or Launchpad, but not so sure what we gain from going for Mazre right now. He is a known quantity and looking back he only really lead things Day 1 due to his early ability claim. Day 2 he was pretty quiet. Also if we do evict him is role will be revealed in the thread anyway which is pretty much the same as him confirming his role right? Right now he is going to be aware that I am positioned between two gossips but he hasn't yet revealed this fact.mwouldn't say I've done anything that would make him gain my trus so is probably more that he suspects other players more and doesn't want Launchpad to waste a turn on evicting me when he suspects others some more. Otherwise I can't really work out what his angle is.
Anyway we could have a situation with the roomies right now.
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franconp
05-26-2015
06:36 AM ET (US)
I think is time to roleclaim. It's a shame I don't have a stronger alibi but there's nothing I can do.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
06:49 AM ET (US)
Yeah, sadly it seems like our only option at this point.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
08:35 AM ET (US)
...this is gonna be interesting.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
08:46 AM ET (US)
The only thing I'm really worried about now is that if HHA doesn't take out the roommates tonight, it's going to look really suspicious - although it may put the spotlight on ultron rather than you.
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franconp
05-26-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I think the same but I also think town will want to have the investigator stay longer in the game so I don't think they will evict us.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:28 AM ET (US)
Ah crap, I just realized if they evict nin1000, I'm going to be the only one next to Foshy. And if they keep up the argument that there's at least 1 HHA within range of a Gossip (or an HHA Gossip), that's going to spell trouble for me.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
10:00 AM ET (US)
Hm...I suppose I should probably confirm Foshy, though that may eventually cast suspicion on me.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
10:31 AM ET (US)
I figured if I didn't confirm him it would be even more suspicious if he was voted out and they realized he was town, though.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
11:28 AM ET (US)
Shit. Damn you, Foshy.
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franconp
05-26-2015
12:10 PM ET (US)
Weird day so far. We all have been proposed as possible HHA. We need to very carefull how we procced.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Yeah, this day isn't going well at the moment.
fran - Mazre has questions for you.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:48 PM ET (US)
Crap, if nin1000 goes out, I am almost certainly getting evicted tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
So, I have an idea, but it's risky. If nin1000 gets evicted, you need to claim that you investigated me during the night and confirm I am an ordinary villager. I don't see any other way around it, even though if they find out you're lying they'll definitely evict the roommates. Considering they seem to think you are town, it might not be as risky as I think though.
Just an idea.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
01:02 PM ET (US)
Spreadsheet is up-to-date.
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franconp
05-26-2015
01:33 PM ET (US)
I though the same. I can probably save someone claiming he being a regular townie.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)
What is RNH saying about "kingkitty's action?" Hm...I wonder if KK is the cop.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
03:13 PM ET (US)
Oh, I see. It's referring to Kalor's Light Sleeper ability. Since Haly and RNH didn't do anything (so they say), and Mazre is a Gossip, then KK must have a special role. I think we may want to consider evicting him tonight...unless he's a Commuter too, in which case he'll leave town for the night (since the ability only triggered on the first day)...
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franconp
05-26-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
If we evict Kingkitty tonight it could put Hobohodo in trouble.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
05:08 PM ET (US)
True, but if we end up having to make me a villager, it'll cast doubt on the whole gossip-HHA theory since there wouldn't be any by Foshy.
Regardless, thinking about it I think KK might be a commuter. Let's see what happens with Kalor's role tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
07:24 PM ET (US)
Regardless of what happens next, I'm proud of our ability to keep them all in the dark thus far
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franconp
05-26-2015
08:55 PM ET (US)
The star wars thread is AMAZING.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:00 PM ET (US)
I know. It's so ridiculous.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:25 PM ET (US)
Ugh. This is gonna be an interesting day/night phase.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
08:21 AM ET (US)
I'm trying to work out what Mazre's angle is with not wanting me invited to Razmos just yet.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking that since you're the bridge between the two groups, you're probably the most suspicious.
Do we have any idea what Darryl's role is? Could he be the cop?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:43 AM ET (US)
Scrolling back through the thread, posts 495 & 496 are a lot funnier now.
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franconp
05-27-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Looking at yesterday posts I'm thinking maybe Kingkitty could be our secret partner. He has no problem with me investigating him but doesn't want me to reveal the role. Maybe he is our partner and knows he doesn't work as an alibi.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:02 AM ET (US)
Yeah, that might be a good idea. Worst case you can just claim to have investigated me.
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franconp
05-27-2015
10:21 AM ET (US)
Or we can try evicting him during the night. If he is our partner he will be invited to the chat, if he isn't we get rid a potential dangerous role. At most we lost an eviction, which will make town think HHA targeted me at night and someone protected me, adding to cleaning my name.
The only problem would be if he is a commuter as Tucah, but if we try to evict him and we get neither of the previous results we can almost be certain of his role.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:23 AM ET (US)
I'd think an investigation would fail on him too if he is a commuter. So I think it might be best to evict KK, and maybe investigate Darryl?
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franconp
05-27-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
I can't investigate Darryl as it wouldn't allow me to clean my name. I had already proposed town to give me 3 names and I select one of them. I think that's the best way to prove I'm town. I'm leaving the next investigation to town but also giving me a leverage so I don't have to investigate one of us.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:36 AM ET (US)
My reasoning for investigating Darryl would be to clear your name in the sense that Darryl is the current option of being your "informant" into Razmos' chat. But I can see why you'd prefer to go with their plan.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
10:37 AM ET (US)
Was just typing up more thoughts on the Mazre thing and how keeping me out of Razmos group was linked to testing francorp when i maybe got it figured out. I think it's more to do with not wanting me being able to reveal to Razmos' group that Mazre is also a town gossip, as he currently is trying to figure out if francorp can actually investigate or if he got the info from a potential HHA member who is lurking in Razmos' chat as of night 2.
Kingkitty must have a power role one way or the other, but I wonder how likely it is that the map would have two HHA that close together and have them both able to be invited by a town gossip?
Lastly just something that had only now occoured to me, but judging from now my role is called Tommy Nook, The Younger Nephew assuming you guys have your roles named the same way if we are investigated we won't be in the situation that the Mayor/Sleepwalker/Gossip roles were in as our allegiance will be pretty clear.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:39 AM ET (US)
I don't think that the town would have an investigator in the same role as franconp. They probably just have a cop who can just figure out alignment, not roles. Not that that really matters in our case...
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
10:46 AM ET (US)
Didn't even occour to me that the town equivalent could just be to determine alignment.
I know we are not even through the day phase here but not sure on going for king kitty. Think we need to go for one of the vocal players as hopefully that will spark up more discussion in the thread without us needing to get to involved in it ourselves.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:56 AM ET (US)
Now that Kalor came out as a Light Sleeper, I'm thinking RNH might be the other option. If we evict KK and investigate RNH, that might be enough to cover our bases and hopefully unearth the partner.
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franconp
05-27-2015
11:03 AM ET (US)
My role name is Timmy Nook, the Older Nephew.
I haven't played much Animal Crossing (almost nothing to be honest, just tried a little bit the 3ds one but it's not my kind of game) so don't know much about the characters but if I'm not mistaken the only cousins in the game are the nephew of Tom Nook, who would be the bad one.
If there are someone who is a regular player of the game (and I'm sure there are) it could lead to trouble.
Ourobolus what's your role name?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:04 AM ET (US)
Tom Nook, the Silent Destroyer. Mwahaha.
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franconp
05-27-2015
11:10 AM ET (US)
I don't think we can do much with that. Even I, who hasn't played the games, knows it can't be good.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:14 AM ET (US)
Whaddaya talkin' about? It's TOTALLY subtle.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:16 AM ET (US)
Ok, so I went through everyone's votes. Not counting the people that have voted for one of us, people who have been suspicious of us, and people that we know (for the most part) their roles, that leaves:
nin1000
RobotNinjaHornets
LunaticLMD
freakzilla149
kingkitty
Tomakasatnav
As possible HHA partners. Of those, RNH is the only one that isn't either NEXT to one of us or is able to be part of the same gossip range.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:21 AM ET (US)
Actually, you can add SalvaPot to that list as well - pretty sure his vote for me was a joke. But he still is right next to Hobo.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
12:12 PM ET (US)
The thread has been surprisingly quiet today.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)
I'd actually really like the town to evict Darryl over nin1000. If we roleclaim myself tomorrow as a townie, then nin1000 is definitely going to be evicted tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:10 PM ET (US)
That said, I don't think that's going to happen.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:36 PM ET (US)
I'm almost certain that I will investigate Razmos this night phase. It's the only way I can prove I'm town.
Sadly I can't backup your roleclaim. Not at this point at least. Not everyone is convinced I'm town yet so if they doubt me they could vote you out to have proof. And if that happens I'm next in line. Also I can't say your real role as I'm sure they will evict you. If it was something a little more friendly we would have a chance but "the Silent Destroyer"....
I'm sorry but both of you will have to defend for yourself a couple of turns until my position is secured.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:38 PM ET (US)
Why would you investigate Razmos again? You did it once already.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:41 PM ET (US)
I meant Mazre. Unless town gives me a couple of additional targets.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:43 PM ET (US)
Urgh. I'm gonna have to put a vote in for Darryl, I think.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:44 PM ET (US)
Or freakzilla. I gotta try to keep nin1000 alive for one more day.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:44 PM ET (US)
How will you support your vote? They will want to know why you voted him.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:46 PM ET (US)
Freakzilla could be OK. He was voted before. It's a shame 21Gun was replaced. He could have been a good eviction by inactivity.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:47 PM ET (US)
freak: freak has been suspicious for a few days now, and I think nin1000 is just flailing. While I'm not 100% sure he is town, I'm still more suspect of freak.
Darryl: While it's not a definite, it does seem plausible that franconp could be HHA and has an informant in Razmos' private chat, as Haly mentioned. I'm inclined to believe that Razmos/Time/fran as all HHA is unlikely, but I would like to get to the bottom of this.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:53 PM ET (US)
Of both of them I would go for freakzilla. Salvapot thinks the same. I will also support tomorrow. If we can get a couple of more votes we could get him out.
I don't think you will get a lot of support with Darryl. I think that's a lost cause.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:53 PM ET (US)
Yeah, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen today. I'll go for freak.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
All right...here goes nothing.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)
Welp, I'll see you guys on the other side. Play safe! <3
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:12 PM ET (US)
I think that was a good post. Let's see what happens now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:16 PM ET (US)
Yeah. I think as long as no one picks up on why I am NOT voting for nin1000, I should be ok. But there are a couple smart guys in there.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)
Sweet. We got RNH for now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Oh fuck yes.
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Also Salvapot, Razmos and Nin. I will support you tonight or tomorrow morning. And I think Hobohodo shouldn't vote unless is necesary. We don't want them to relate our votes.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
Agreed. Hobo needs to abstain or vote for someone else.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
Every time I wanna go post something ourobolus has just posted! Argjghghgah.
Sorry about my sporadic posting last few days guys, bank holiday weekend followed by going out with the guys from work Tuesday has left me out of action a lot.
Just to see if I'm following along here but ours is gunning for freak today as your convinced that nin will end up gone tomorrow yeah? For very little posts I feel a lot of ideas have been presented so I'm trying to keep it all straight.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
I don't wanna abstain from voting as I've been so quiet today so maybe il throw one down on Nin1000?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
Yes, that's the idea. I'm hoping we can keep nin on the ropes for tomorrow. I need Fran to be able to investigate me tomorrow night, because If I'm the only one left next to Foshy I am most certainly going to be evicted.
You need to either abstain or vote someone else, and I would do it at a different time than during this bandwagon.
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
You should wait for now and vote when freakzilla eviction is more secure.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:33 PM ET (US)
Yes, definitely hold off.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:39 PM ET (US)
Cheers guys, thanks for giving me the shortened version of everything. xP
Trying to work out how to play the not voting for Freak, mahbe just not wanting to join a bandwagon again after what happened to HippieHobo, or would that seem like I'm trying to explain myself to much. I definetly need to vote for someone though as Mazre will be on people who don't by the looks of things, he already has picked fran up on it for the last day, so it's probably best to make sure you get your vote in at some point,
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:50 PM ET (US)
I would stay away from talking about bandwagoning. You just need to make it sound like nin is more suspicious, but maybe not THAT much more. I don't know how to better explain it. Maybe post here first with what you plan on posting?
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:55 PM ET (US)
Sounds good, I'll go read through the thread from Day 2 onwards again to try and construct something logical for Nin.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:01 PM ET (US)
7 votes so far...
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Kalor just posted something that you might be able to use...later.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)
Holy shit. Check the Star Wars thread.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
I'm still clean of the Star Wars three goings on, what post did the craziness pick up from. I feel o need to go read it during our night phase.
Still going through the thread, it's amazing how long it takes when your considering everything and writing stuff down.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
06:10 PM ET (US)
Oh, you'll know. But yeah, save it for later. It'll take awhile
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
06:50 PM ET (US)
Ok so hear is what I will probably go with...
So far this phase feels like not much has happened but there is also a lot to sift through. It's odd.
Anyway first of all just some ideas regarding the two substitutes we have had. I'm gonna be inclined to say they are townies purely based on the fact that I find it difficult to believe a HHA member would be completely absent from the game. Obviously this is pure speculation based on how I see things but just wanted to throw that out there, now on to the topic at hand.
So I have read through from Day 2 again and I'm just not feeling Freakazilla as Mafia. In Day 2 he came across as real antagonistic when a vote was placed on him, I imagine a Mafia player would be more subtle about it than he was, I mean revenge voting seems something that just begs to call attention to you. I suppose it could be some double bluff where he comes across as to obvious but I find that hard to believe. Also gotta agree with Kalor, the idea that a Mafia player would decide to not partake in discussion till its down to the wire seems unlikely. With all of us in different time zones it's going to be hard to sway opinion at the last moment. The player who I am more suspicious of right now is...
Evict: Nin1000
It feels like the bulk of suspicion on Freak comes from his Day 2 behaviour, but reading it through again Nin just seems to be acting a little bit more strangely. It's all ready been discussed about how he jumped in to defend Freak, but if I was uncertain of a players alliance and they were also coming across as antagonistic I probably wouldn't back them up unless I had a reason to. Could they be partners somehow? (not to convinced), or maybe Nin was backing him up just to have a 'see I supported a good guy!' example later. There was also some odd behaviour in my mind when he didn't cast a vote against Hippie yesterday. Now admittedly he was in second place, but if a few more players decided to cast a vote for Nin not much was needed to achieve Plurality. A vote for Hippie could have been the difference between life or death for Nin, yet he didn't vote. Where I struggle here is why would Nin not place a vote, maybe you can answer that one for us?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:05 PM ET (US)
I'm ok with that; but change "evict" to "vote."
Also, depending on what Mazre says, we may have to go evict him. He's one of the more intelligent players and I feel like he's gonna hone in on one of us sooner rather than later.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:05 PM ET (US)
Hobo I would also wait for a few more votes though.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:21 PM ET (US)
Shit. I'm worried about this. He's been leading the charge for a while now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:05 PM ET (US)
All right, he's posted. What do you think?
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franconp
05-27-2015
09:13 PM ET (US)
All I'm going to say now is
HOLY SHIT THAT STAR WARS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomorrow I will read anything and post opinions.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
09:14 PM ET (US)
Hahahahahahaha yeah
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:30 AM ET (US)
Had to go to bed, was getting up to 1am back when Mazre was posting. Going to go read through it all now and see what he said, got my Nin post waiting for when Freak gains 2 or so more votes.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
06:41 AM ET (US)
Be careful; nin may be getting more votes as well, like Foshy's.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
07:17 AM ET (US)
So, I was thinking...confirming Mazre's role...I think he's probably playing to vote out Hobohodo next round. I get the feeling that his position between two gossips is going to seem suspicious.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:00 AM ET (US)
freakzilla is sitting at 9 votes now, two more to close the day out. I've updated the spreadsheet as well. nin1000 has 4 votes.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:05 AM ET (US)
10 votes. Sorry. If you're going to put your votes in you may want to do so (if you're awake!)
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:48 AM ET (US)
I wonder if we can use Foshy's slip-up against him. The Evict command vs. Vote command, I mean.
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franconp
05-28-2015
08:56 AM ET (US)
I have read everything and voted to evict Freak.
Hobohodo I think you should vote for Nin as I think freak's eviction is sure.
Right now the best way to prove I'm an investigator I have is to investigate Mazre and learn his role name as it will make a lot less suspicious. That's what the town want and I don't want them to doubt me. I think we can find a way to protect Hobo along the way.
I think we should discuss the night eviction: My main target would be Kingkitty who either is our secret partner or have an important role he doesn't want revealed. My other options would be Haly or Launchpad as they are the more vocal.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:59 AM ET (US)
As much as I'd love to get rid of Launchpad, he seems to have it out for me. He's been suspicious of me the entire game so far. Evicting him may bring unwanted attention. That said, I think that problem is only going to get worse as the day goes on.
The only thing I worry about with KK is that he might be a commuter, and if he's an odd-day commuter, we'd be unable to evict him tonight.
I don't feel either way about Haly though.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:03 AM ET (US)
Are you going to ask the thread for options on investigation tonight?
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franconp
05-28-2015
09:04 AM ET (US)
So we could evict Haly tonight and leave KK for the next night phase when we are sure we can commute.
I don't want to evict Mazre yet. Other option could be Darryl.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:09 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm fine with leaving Mazre alone for now.
Darryl...maybe. The current thought is that they may think he is your informant, so getting rid of him could be good in that sense. But, he did vote to evict you on the first day, so that could be a counter argument to that.
We do need to start picking off people in the upper-right, but eventually it's going to come down to Hobo. I think to solidify your stance as Town you should eventually out him as Mafia. Not today or tomorrow, but whenever (if) it becomes necessary.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:11 AM ET (US)
To be clear: I don't WANT to get rid of Hobo.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:11 AM ET (US)
=(
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:12 AM ET (US)
Oh, don't worry, man. I want to keep all of us around as long as possible. Just trying to think of options for a long-term strategy.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:17 AM ET (US)
Haha yeah I know, and at least if I get taken out you get two evictions the following night phase.
On the subject of investigation fran, you don't actually need to investigate Mazre do you as we know he is a town gossip? Unless you think he could have a different role name for some reason and want to be sure.
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franconp
05-28-2015
09:20 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm sorry Hobo but I don't think it would be a good idea to put a false role in you. I don't think I can use that trick much and, I'm sad to say this but, your eviction it may be beneficial to us by your role.
I don't want to say I investigated him unless I'm asked by town to do it. We shouldn't rush into it. If I'm asked, I'm sorry, but I will have to say the truth. I think it's for the best.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:22 AM ET (US)
Oh, I wasn't saying that we should "investigate" Hobo tonight - save that for later.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:23 AM ET (US)
Oh, I get what you're saying. Never mind. Yeah, if asked then it wouldn't be a good idea to lie on that one.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:26 AM ET (US)
So fran, are you actually going to investigate Mazre? Or are you just going to claim Town Gossip? To be safe you should probably actually investigate...
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franconp
05-28-2015
09:28 AM ET (US)
I need to be completely sure about Mazre. If he has a slightly different role name I'm out. Without a doubt. And it could also make trouble for Hobo has they will try to find out how I knew he was a town gossip and it will lead to his neighbours.
I don't want to leave it to chance so it would be best if I investigate him.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:30 AM ET (US)
K. Just making sure.
Then I think we're down to Haly or Darryl for the eviction, right? Hobo, what are your thoughts?
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:51 AM ET (US)
Yeah I just checked through the forum to make sure if he ever called himself a town gossip but he never did. You guys are probably right in that we should play it safe, if we cocked up here then he will know that either me or king kitty would be conversing with fran and by bridging the groups he would probably suspect me. Maybe his role has been named slightly different and it is why he is playing funny with when he wants me invited to Razmos.
On the subject of outing me in full agreement on not giving me a false role. However I think if you take ideas from other players in later phases then you should stick to the 'give me 3 names and I'll randomly choose 1' idea. It means that even if my name is thrown in to consideration you have two outs if we think it can be played off. Also like you said before, if we were acting under the idea that you are a town investigator and had to investigate the one player that was agreed on and it turned out to be the doctor you wouldn't want to reveal that, so having the three potentials should be an easy enough sell.
On kingkitty, I don't particularly think he is our secret partner. In Mazre's chat in Night 2 he mentioned how he would like the roomies to be evicted just out of curiosity, and Mazre also posted about how he wanted to try and push for the roomies again in Day 2. Of course this is before your role claim, but I just don't see our secret partner ever posting about being okay to evict the roomies. Lastly in the chat he actually role claimed as a normal town and said he wouldn't share his role name as if me or Mazre were mafia we could then use that to our advantage. This could just be why he doesn't want the role title for regular villagers our in the open were you to investigate him.
As for evictions out of those two I would probably tend to Haly as I feel we should go for someone vocal this night. We are considering Darryl as they think he could be fran's informant in Razmos' chat right?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Huh...ok, then I'm convinced KK isn't the partner. I'm still thinking RNH.
As for Darryl, that's my thinking, though if franconp investigating Mazre clears him, then we don't need to worry about Darryl though. Although, I think someone in the thread mentioned that Darryl had a special role, so it might be worth it to take him out.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:02 AM ET (US)
Yes, I will try to buy all the time I can but if they really suspect you and want me to investigate you it will be for the best that I don't lie.
If KK isn't our secret partner maybe he is a the commuter (or something more important). I say we go for Haly this night phase and KK the next one.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:04 AM ET (US)
I'm ok with that. My only hangup with Haly, looking back through the thread, is that he says he trusts you (at least a bit). Not enough for me to say no, but just a thought. I do wonder what Darryl's role is though.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:05 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I think the same of RNH.
As for Darryl I also think it was implied he has a special role.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:22 AM ET (US)
Oh when Razmos said some information had been revealed in his chat you mean?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:24 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I think. Launchpad mentions in post 854 that Razmos said Darryl had a special role, but I can't seem to find that info earlier in the thread.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)
Yes, we already know Razmos and Timeaisis role so the only one left is Darryl. If Hobo is invited to that chat we could get the info too.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:31 AM ET (US)
I had actually completely glossed over how he directly points a finger at me and you in that post. Unfortunately I feel like whenever we take him out if people look back at his posts we will be suspicious. Now whilst he is the only player really pushing it, every time the gossips have been brought up he will always mention the idea that a HHA is in the area. If he keeps this up if we take him out now or in X days time its likely people will pick up on that straight off. He is dangerous for us right now thats for sure.
Makes me wonder if our eviction should stay clear of any gossip targets tonight, make it seem like the HHA aren't worried about those theories of his.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
Hey fran, do you know the official title of the regular townies then?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:33 AM ET (US)
Yeah, like I said, he's kinda honing in on some of us.
I'm fine with evicting Haly then.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:33 AM ET (US)
I believe it's "Ordinary Villager?"
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:43 AM ET (US)
Ordinary Villager. It was also Coppanuva's role and there you have the description. (post 688)
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:45 AM ET (US)
Yeah, if we did go Haly tonight then we will need to keep our eyes on Launchpad going forward. I guess it depends on wether Mazre being revealed as a Town Gossip/Variant of that tomorrow will make him home in on me even more, or if the reveal of a third gossip will make him ease off the idea. Still hoping that something can be done to single out that Salvapot will be the only player in the top right who can't be invited to a nighttime chat.
At least he is yet to have started a succsesful bandwagon, be it on us or an other player.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:47 AM ET (US)
Oh of course, forgot it had been revealed as common knowledge in the thread anyway. Guess that can't be why king kitty is still concerned about his role being potentially revealed.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
11:12 AM ET (US)
I wish someone would just do the last damn vote.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
11:47 AM ET (US)
Right well I won't be there as the day ends as I am about to have no signal. Hope nothing craZy happens in the last 45 mins!
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franconp
05-28-2015
12:30 PM ET (US)
And we are safe again!!!
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:32 PM ET (US)
Whew. That day was really stressful for me. Can't believe my gambit paid off.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:40 PM ET (US)
Lol, he finally posted.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:52 PM ET (US)
C'mon...doctor or something good...c'mon...
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
01:53 PM ET (US)
Dammit. Ordinary Villager.
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franconp
05-28-2015
01:56 PM ET (US)
Fuck. We are out of luck lately.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
Hey, Hobo - was freak in Mazre's chat?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
02:05 PM ET (US)
All right, I won't do it yet in case we have any arguments against it later, but we still looking at Haly for eviction and Mazre for investigation, right?
As for the next day phase, I think I'm going to lean on either Salvapot or nin1000, depending on how it goes.
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franconp
05-28-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
I'm OK with Haly and Mazre.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
Nah freak didn't get in the chat, and in the main thread I'm sure he said he didn't plan on using his ability today so for whatever reason he didn't want to invite him in.
Investigating Mazre is fine, we need to build up trust for francorp. Admitdly I would kind of like to be rid of Launchpad but I feel that's just leading the more observant players, which I feel Haly is one of, straight to us. So out of the discussed candidates I'd be fine with Haly.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)
Yeah, we need to figure out an eventual plan for Launchpad. He's gunning for both of us. But Haly should be fine for now.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:11 PM ET (US)
Seems like we are pretty decided then.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
03:19 PM ET (US)
Looks that way. I'll send the PM some time tomorrow.
Anyway, I've updated the spreadsheet with everything I think we know up to this point.
I'm pretty confident that RNH is our partner, so we need to hope that tomorrow it is safe to investigate him.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Foshy finally posted. He still thinks nin1000 is HHA, but he's asking what my role is. I'm trying to decide if I just say "town" and be vague, or just straight up say "Ordinary Villager."
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franconp
05-28-2015
05:40 PM ET (US)
Say you are an ordinary villager. If I can I will use that to protect you.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)
K. Will do.
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Hobohodo
05-29-2015
06:00 AM ET (US)
I know we are still investigating to be certain but king kitty has posted about how Mazres official title is obviously a Town Gossip, hopefully Mazre will see this as king kitty trying to pry into his roll name seeing as this could be an important play for us tomorrow.
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ourobolus
05-29-2015
07:36 AM ET (US)
Hmm. That's certainly interesting. Maybe that will put the spotlight on kingkitty, but who knows...
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franconp
05-29-2015
10:44 AM ET (US)
I think Mazre will lie to him, so I can't use that information.
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ourobolus
05-29-2015
11:16 AM ET (US)
Oh no, definitely still investigate Mazre, I think it just might be a good coincidence and mazre may suspect KK over Hobo.
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ourobolus
05-29-2015
02:10 PM ET (US)
All right, I sent in the notice to evict Haly.
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Hobohodo
05-30-2015
06:20 PM ET (US)
Now we wait...
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Ourobolus
05-30-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
Can I just say, I am not looking forward to the next day phase. Hobo and I are gonna have to put some work in.
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Hobohodo
05-30-2015
07:29 PM ET (US)
Outwardly Mazre doesn't actually seem to suspicious of me right now. It's all ready been brought up in our chat that I will be a bridge between two groups and for that reason may be able to relay info between Mazre's chat and Razmos chat, if he finds that fact suspicious he is keeping it to himself.
He also said that he didn't want me in Razmos' chat tonight to minimise the chance of info leaking in case francorp was Mafia with an accomplice in Razmos' chat. Now hopefully as fran can demonstrate that he has investigated two players from two separate groups who had no contact this will gain Mazre's trust for him, at least as much as you can in mafia.
Launchpad is my biggest question mark, gonna have to see how he reacts to most likely finding out I'm a bridge tomorrow.
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franconp
05-30-2015
08:45 PM ET (US)
Did Mazre said what his role name is?
I have already investigated him but want to know if he shared the info.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
09:34 AM ET (US)
Nah, closest he has gotten is saying how there are two confirmed gossips and that we know about his group.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
09:35 AM ET (US)
We as in Me, Mazre and Kingkitty
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
02:04 PM ET (US)
Shit. Haly might have been the commuter.
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franconp
05-31-2015
02:08 PM ET (US)
Or maybe some sort of tough guy and needs 2 hits to evict.
Mazre is a town gossip.
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franconp
05-31-2015
02:13 PM ET (US)
There was activity so there's a posibility he can be a commuter.
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
You would have also caused activity with you investigating Mazre.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:15 PM ET (US)
Stop looking at me being a bridge D=
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:22 PM ET (US)
Ok so I can't post in the thread without acknowledging that I am a bridge, now Razmos and Launchpad are jumping on the idea that I can gain 'lots of info' and seeing that as a reason I could be there. Right now I'm feeling I need to downplay the info I could actually obtain, as truthfully I feel they are overstating it.
For example our chat had been pretty hesitant to share stuff. All I've really gained is knowledge that Mazre was a Town Gossip and Kingkitty suspects the roomies, that's it. Maybe it's different with Razmos and everyone felt more willing to chat, but ours has been pretty quiet.
Thoughts?
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
04:27 PM ET (US)
Foshy's hasn't been useful, either. I don't really have a good answer for your bridge problem yet, though... :/
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franconp
05-31-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
You can say you are a bridge but your position may be to comunicate both chats. You would be a hha target so they can isolate the chats.
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franconp
05-31-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
You should make them think you are useful to town.
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
04:37 PM ET (US)
Good call.
Sorry, my brain is fried right now. Was out in the DC hot sun doing a scavenger hunt for the past 4 hours.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Good idea Fran, when I'm done watching my shows I'll write something up. Don't wanna jump in to quick really as it will come across as defensive.
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franconp
06-01-2015
09:08 AM ET (US)
Who was the one who changed Haly to evicted in the spreadsheet? You jinxed it.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:19 AM ET (US)
Me. That's all me. ;_;
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:25 AM ET (US)
So I can't imagine that Haly was protected. There was no reason in the thread that would even make anyone think we would have targeted him. So unless he is a commuter too, or a Tough Guy, maybe he's a Sleepwalker?
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:31 AM ET (US)
Actually, a sleepwalker triggers every night, usually, so since Kalor didn't have any activity on Night 2, that's probably not it. Hrm.
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franconp
06-01-2015
09:32 AM ET (US)
That would be the same as a commuter no? I think he may be the commuter and he was the activity Kalor detected the first night. If this is true now we don't have a clue what's Kingkitty's role.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:33 AM ET (US)
A Commuter leaves town, while a sleepwalker randomly visits another player.
But yeah, that begs the question - who is the commuter? It's gotta be either Haly or KK (right?), or there's another role at play there.
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franconp
06-01-2015
09:55 AM ET (US)
I'm leaning to believe that Haly is the commuter and KK has another role which we don't know.
If that's true we are really unlucky as we didn't target KK thinking he may be the commuter.
Right now, and this can change during the day phase, we have the same 2 options for eviction: We can try to evict Haly and see why he wasn't evicted the last phase or we can target KK and see what's his role is.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
I'm up for evicting Haly again, but both of them are risky.
I think that tonight may be a good time to investigate RNH, since I think the day may end up with you being asked to investigate me.
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franconp
06-01-2015
10:00 AM ET (US)
Why do you think that?
I think is more likely to ask me to investigate Hobo.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
10:01 AM ET (US)
That's also a possibility. I just know Launchpad still thinks I am a viable candidate to investigate.
Though I'm hoping that the discussion around SalvaPot and Darryl as day evictions sticks. That would be great.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:00 PM ET (US)
Ok, so Kalor says that he can only detect the actions of the people around him, not actions performed ON them. So he wouldn't have seen fran's investigation. So yeah, there's definitely an odd commuter there, and it could be Haly.
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:17 PM ET (US)
There's something interesting about the description Kalor gave of his role.
He says he can know when someone acts at night within his scope, but only when his neighbors act not when someone acts on them. If that is true and his role is supposed to help town that would mean one of his neighbours should be HHA so he can be useful. If not he wouldn't be much help to town and we know the positions of the roles aren't random (kark said it) so he must have that power and position for some cause.
As we already know neither of us is within range so his role can't be dangerous to us but that would also mean one of his neighbours should be our secret partner.
Let's see the names: Haly, RNH, Mazre and Kingkitty. We know Mazre is the town Gossip and he is not our partner (remember that if I investigate our partner or we try to evict him he would be invited to the chat). We already tried to evict Haly and we couldn't but we also get any info about he been our secret partner so it would rule out him too.
That leaves RNH and Kingkitty. Hobo said he doesn't think Hobo was our secret partner has he wanted to evict Ultron and me. Also I don't think he may be our secret partner as, if he was, he could just told Hobo in their chat and we could evict Mazre in the night phase so he doesn't says anything. Also it doesn't make any sense to have 2 HHA in the same night chat. We already have our chat.
So it all seems that RNH should be our secret partner.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:18 PM ET (US)
Yep. That's what I've been saying!
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:30 PM ET (US)
I also said the same since the first day.
I PM Kark asking if we tried to evict someone and we couldn't and he is our partner he would be a full fledged partner anyway. That will allow us to be sure about Haly.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:31 PM ET (US)
I also sent a PM earlier today asking Kark if my evict notice did indeed go through, and it was just a matter of it being blocked/missing, rather than him not seeing my PM. Just in case.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:32 PM ET (US)
And I know, I'm just giving you a hard time.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Kark confirms he did receive my evict, so something stopped Haly from being evicted.
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:44 PM ET (US)
And he confirmed that if the eviction didn't go through our lost partner wouldn't be full fledget.
So if Haly was protected he may be our secret partner. It's a long shot and I still think RNH will be our lost partner but it's good to know.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:45 PM ET (US)
Ok. Well if we end up evicting Haly and investigating RNH, we can cover both bases.
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
Yeah, but I'm not to sure to do it this night phase.
I don't know if I can investigate RNH yet. It could still be dangerous.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:54 PM ET (US)
We shouldn't make up our minds until the night phase anyway. It's still early. That said, why would it be dangerous?
Though the one time I'd say it'd be the safest is if the thread elects to evict me or Hobo. Then you can investigate RNH without consequence.
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franconp
06-01-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
I think it is still dangerous because there are some people doubting about me. If I said someone have a certain role they could try to evict him to prove what I said was true.
If I do it with a townie it could be beneficial to us, but if I tried with any of us it could be very bad.
We should wait and see what people think of my roleclaim first. I also think the same, that would be the safer time.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
01:12 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I meant to say "if the thread elects for you to investigate me or hobo."
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franconp
06-01-2015
05:35 PM ET (US)
Good call on Toma.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:02 PM ET (US)
Sorry about not posting guys, fell asleep last night and then spent the day with the girlfriend.
Now considering how to post, maybe just s little 'yeah I'm a bridge, weird' huh' post and th move on? The discussion isn't on me being a bridge right now after all and I don't wanna bring I back to me.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)
I'm not at my computer now, but with the votes flying, if someone wants to update the spreadsheet, I'd appreciate it. If not, I'll take care of it tomorrow morning.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)
Hobo, if wait for now. They seem to be attacking each other.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:15 PM ET (US)
I'd*
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:16 PM ET (US)
If you want to post later, at this point I wouldn't even bring up the bridge.
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franconp
06-01-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
Updated the spreadsheet.
Hobo I also think you shouldn't say anything unless they bring that up. You can post (you don't want a prod) but make it something harmless.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:34 PM ET (US)
Yeah since I posted that everyone went at it.
Will ignore the gossip situation for now..
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:36 PM ET (US)
I'm actually hoping that they evict Foshy a little bit since I revealed my role in his chat. They still think I haven't done so at all.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:40 PM ET (US)
As in revealed ordinary villager right?
Or we going for a super dramatic 'your times up froshy I'm TOM NOOK THE SILENT DESTROYER!!!' kinda thing
Hobohodo
05-11-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
Hello fellow members of HHA!
So whilst we are still dossing in the day phase what's our groups experience with Mafia games like?
This will be my first one on GAF but I've played a few in the past, if I was ever a member of the Mafia it was only once a very long time ago however so this side of the fence is a bit new for me!
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franconp
05-11-2015
06:22 PM ET (US)
first time playing mafia and karkador didnt make it easy.
Not only being mafia but also having a roommate.
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
So (assuming your able to say) do you have any special abilities linked to being a roommate? Or have you just got the same information as was mentioned in the OP?
I've been thinking about this whole neighbours thing as well. Assuming that 'neighbouring houses' counts the 8 squares surrounding our houses, between us two and kiri it will only be A1, A2, B1 and B2 that aren't covered by us. I can't help but notice that we are all quite spread out and so none of us are actually neighbouring each other. The OP doesn't state if the houses are randomly assigned so can't say for sure, but I wonder if the Mafia have been set up so that between us (plus our fourth missing person) we cover the whole map? If so could mean our missing member is in A1, A2, B1 or B2.
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franconp
05-11-2015
07:03 PM ET (US)
No special abilities between us, only what karkador posted. If any of us are evicted during day phases both of us are out. And if we evict ultron during nighttime I would be out too.
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:07 PM ET (US)
Hey guys - I'm just reading through everything now and it's far more complicated than what I was expecting and I'm not 100% sure how much I'll be able to follow as I'm going to have to keep up by iPhone.
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
07:28 PM ET (US)
Hi kiri, first time Mafia player? Trying to scope out how much experience we all have.
So it was me who asked Karkador about the layout of the map, and so we haven't been placed randomly. Can't say for certain but that could give some fuel to the idea that our missing member is in one of those corners in the top left.
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Karkador
05-11-2015
07:31 PM ET (US)
Hey everyone, I'll be following the chat in here as the game progresses.
kiri, the thing you'll be doing the most in the game is reading the thread and posting in it, and discussing with your team members here. The rules are generally just to not post any information I give you via PM (or anything discussed here) in the game thread, and VOTE in the thread each in-game day for a player to get eliminated.
Since you are able to talk to your teammates here before the game starts, I think you guys should discuss it, since they need a competent team member. If you decide to back out, it's totally fine - we have a waiting list of potential replacements.
I will be able to answer any questions here, but there are game-related things I have to be vague about.
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:32 PM ET (US)
Hey hey, I played a bunch of Werewolf whilst living in Japan.
Now I'm back in the UK (GMT) and so will be heading to bed now. The upper left corner seems like a good theory to me!
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Hobohodo
05-11-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
That's two of us in the UK then!
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kiri
05-11-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
I think that it's going to get harder for me to multi-task on my iPhone with the various threads I'll need to keep an eye on. Plus I'm moving house (IRL) this weekend. I don't want to back out but the timing of this move hasn't come at the best time for me to be fully on point with this game.
It may be wise to prep someone to replace me and I'd like to apologise for any inconvenience. I'll be 100% in on the next game you have!
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franconp
05-11-2015
07:44 PM ET (US)
Can we discuss what our roles are yet?
PD: Also I want to apologise in advance if i'm not clear with some of my messages (and a lot of spelling errors) since english is not my first language.
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Karkador
05-12-2015
01:09 AM ET (US)
So, final decision, kiri?
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kiri
05-12-2015
03:10 AM ET (US)
I slept on it and still feeling the same.
I'll be all in next time, my apologies.
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
08:10 AM ET (US)
Shame to see you go kiri, hopefully things are sorted out for you next time.
Don't worry about it franconp, yeah we can discuss our roles and what not here. I checked with Karkador the other day.
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franconp
05-12-2015
08:30 AM ET (US)
Until next time kiri. Good luck with your moving.
I will start with the roleclaming then:
I'm Timmy Nook, and my role allows me to investigate any other player in the game and learn their role (like a cop in mafia). If I investigate our missing partner he would become a full fledged member.
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
09:21 AM ET (US)
Awesome, good to know we have the ability to investigate. Do you know if that will leave a clue in the main thread that someone was investigated?
As for my role I'm Tommy Nook, the younger nephew. No special abilities whilst I'm still alive, but if I get killed then on the following night phase the Mafia can evict two players in one night as revenge.
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franconp
05-12-2015
09:41 AM ET (US)
I don't know about the clue. I will PM Karkador about it.
Some thoughts:
-I think our priority now should be finding our unknown partner, maybe he has some role that would be beneficial to us.
-I too think he may be in the upper corner. There only A1 can connect to A2 and B1 so he could be our partner. Using my role we could investigate A1 and evict A2 or B1 and we cover 2/3 of the area in the first night.
-Looking in the map (and thinking that we can't be neighbours if there is water between us unless there is a bridge) C3 (freakzilla149) isn't a neighbour of any of us. He may be town or an independant player.
-This is a long shot be I think that maybe Ultron (my roommate) may be the cop. If the house placements aren't random it wouldn't be rare that the two cops would share the same fate.
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karkador
05-12-2015
02:42 PM ET (US)
Hey everyone, I found a replacement for kiri, and I'll be transferring the role over to him shortly (so he'll be posting here soon).
Thanks for knowing when to call it quits, kiri, as this is a lot easier to do now than later. I hope we'll see you again next time!
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ourobolus
05-12-2015
03:37 PM ET (US)
Hey all, happy to be here! First time Mafia player (at least on GAF, I've played it once or twice with friends back in the day...it's been awhile though).
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franconp
05-12-2015
03:50 PM ET (US)
Welcome Ourobolus!!!
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ourobolus
05-12-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)
So in addition to trying to figure out the unknown partner, we should probably also try to isolate as many houses as possible. I'm not entirely sure how the neighbor mechanic works, but we should be choosing houses based on their location as well. Since myself and Hobohodo are on D1 and B4, respectively, the prime targets should be:
A2, A4
B1, B3, B5
C2
E2
Now obviously we shouldn't do this in order, but space the choices around.
Also, there are still plenty of HHA members we don't know, so we can amend this list as needed.
D5 and E4 would be targets too, but those may be problematic due to what the role of francomp's roommate is.
This also doesn't take diagonals into account, but I'm not sure if they do anyway? Guess we'll find out after the first night.
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franconp
05-12-2015
04:30 PM ET (US)
Why do you say there's plenty of HHA members we don't know?
The PM Karkador sent me said there was another partner, which sounds that there is only one partner missing.
If you can, tell us if you have a role and what you can do with it.
Later today will post why I think that my roommate may be a cop.
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karkador
05-12-2015
06:05 PM ET (US)
Please save any discussion here until the Night Phases (which will be 3 days long). Sorry if that wasn't clear enough!
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Hobohodo
05-12-2015
06:48 PM ET (US)
Just gonna post to say welcome oroborous!
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Ourobolus
05-12-2015
09:11 PM ET (US)
Oh, whoops. Sorry karkador!
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
11:45 AM ET (US)
So we can't talk to each other here during the day?
When I've played in the past Mafia could talk whenever as it allowed them to statergise during the day phase as well in regards with how to lynch and whatnot. If we can't then fair enough but it just seems an odd rule to me.
Will also mean I'll need a notebook or something to write down my thoughts, had just been planing on dumping the, straight In here.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
11:47 AM ET (US)
Yeah seems that way. Though if the thread is any current indication, I may be screwed for no apparent reason.
I have a google spreadsheet where I've been keeping any info I've got, which I can post later.
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Karkador
05-13-2015
12:20 PM ET (US)
Alright, I'm going to provisionally allow Daytalk for now, and ask the mentor (Crab) for the final word. I apologize for the lost time.
I designed the game with more of a "live game" feel in mind, so I just defaulted to nighttalk-only making sense, but if daytalk is more of the standard, I'll allow it. Looking at it again, it looks like our last game (the one Crab moderated) did allow daytalk.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
12:49 PM ET (US)
Ahh awesome, cheers for potentially switching that around.
I've gotta pop out in a bit, so providing Crab hasn't shut down the idea of day talk I'll post up some thoughts of mine later. The gist of my concern lies with the shared house though. It's been pointed out all ready how that is a logical target for the Mafia as they get two birds with one stone so when that house is left unscathed come day 2 I can see so people maybe being suspicious. I am wondering if it's possible for them to move out however when a house is vacant, the rules do make a point of saying a house becomes vacant after an eviction.
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franconp
05-13-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)
Ourobolus I don't think you are screwed yet. I think is mostly a random choice and you was the last post before Mazre. Also think he is bluffing to see how we react (or he is psychic and we are all screwed).
Now, I'm pretty screwed. My roommate situation is difficult, and if we aren't evicted in the first couple of nights it will be obvious that one of us is mafia. The only way I could stay in game is that Ultron has a role so important that it will make the town doubt if evict us or not, that's why I think he is either a cop or a medic (leaning to cop).
Ourobolus do you have a special role?
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
Not sure if being vacant = someone can move in, though. I don't see them voting the roommates out just yet though, because statistically it's more probable that there are two city members are in there (though we know that isn't the case).
Also, to the earlier point of me saying there were "plenty of other Mafia," I was just confused on the wording the Karkador's PM. When he said that my partners were you guys, I didn't know if that had something to do with my role or (as it seems now) the Mafia as a whole. So, disregard.
And yeah, I'm probably not screwed, it was just jarring to see my name on there as the first one to be voted for, haha!
I do: I'm Tom Nook - my nighttime actions are silent and cannot be investigated. So I'm probably the prime candidate for carrying out any evictions.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
12:57 PM ET (US)
Also, I'm keeping track of votes and the like here, if you guys want to use it.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G-...2s/edit?usp=sharing
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
12:59 PM ET (US)
Silent actions? That seems crazy useful.
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franconp
05-13-2015
01:00 PM ET (US)
Great job!!!
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
Yeah, now you see why me seeing my name was a bit unnerving.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:10 PM ET (US)
Quick question: If we investigate someone and learn their role, are they alerted to the investigation? Because if we immediately got for ultron87 it may be apparent that franconp is Mafia.
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franconp
05-13-2015
01:49 PM ET (US)
There is no alert. I already asked Karkador.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
01:50 PM ET (US)
Oh. Well then, I see no reason not to figure out who the hell ultron87 is then.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:14 PM ET (US)
Is that just that there is no clue to you or did you specifically ask about investigating ultron? Would hate for us to investigate him and have you be revealed as well due to the 'what happens to you happens to him' rule. If we're gonna do it lets be 100% sure. (Yes I'm that cautious!)
Providing there are still more 'No lynch' votes One lynch isn't enough to get ourobolus killed is it? Just need to scope out what to do if you gain traction with the 'lynch just because' group.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:18 PM ET (US)
Well, actually, I guess franconp will have to make sure. The only way I'd do it is if there's 100% chance he won't be found out, short of someone investigating him (which seems unlikely since it's the first night, but it is a 1/22 shot).
I suppose I should probably change my vote to Mazre just to cancel out his to me then.
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:18 PM ET (US)
I don't think so. For now at least.
What I asume of your role is that there is someone who have the ability to investigate who used a night action on a certain player. If that is true I think that Ultron and I would be his target, as we are right now "the biggest target to mafia". If I investigate Ultron I may reveal that I'm mafia to someone else. Besides I think we are going to be be targeted by several night actions (likely a switcher and a medic) so I don't think I would be able to investigate him.
I think we should leave Ultron alone for now and should try to look for our secret partner.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:22 PM ET (US)
That's a good point. Well we don't have a penalty for evicting anyone, it seems, since even if we evict the secret partner they just come back as full mafia.
I made that map in the spreadsheet which may be a decent guideline for isolating players, but that may change given the possible rule regarding moving into vacant homes.
Until then though, I think the priority should be keeping me alive through the first FREAKIN' day.
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:22 PM ET (US)
I don't think you should change your vote to Mazre. I think it would look suspicious. Let's wait to see what he has to say. If he can't bring any info to the thread (and I think he can't) he would be the main suspect.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:23 PM ET (US)
Yeah, probably not. I'll hold off on that. But hopefully the bandwagon doesn't grow in the meantime.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:24 PM ET (US)
If your gonna counter lynch maybe an inactive would be better? May just come across as less retaliatory to him and lynching inactives is often a used tactic when someone needs to be lynched just to further the game.
If it comes to it I can see that garnering more support, don't know if anyone has been that inactive mind?
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:26 PM ET (US)
HippieHobo, Darryl, and SmokingGunZ1981 have only posted once in the whole thread, and Hippiehobo is the only one that has posted since the game has started. So probably Darryl/SmokingGun
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franconp
05-13-2015
02:33 PM ET (US)
I say we wait. There are 7 votes to no evict and a couple of people that are only waiting for the info of Mazre. If he doesn't say something relevant that means they will vote no evict too.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
Actually there are 6 now, and 3 of those are ours
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
02:46 PM ET (US)
Good point, I've removed my vote just so that we don't all look linked up. Will chuck it back on though if they bandwagon you.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
Sounds good. If anyone else bandwagons me I'm gonna vote for Darryl since he's
1) Far away from me on the map
2) Diagonal from Hobohodo so there's only one neighbor that is (potentially) not Mafia
3) Inactive
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
02:52 PM ET (US)
Ok, Mazre has posted. He claims he has some sort of day ability with a night component.
Regardless, if my role is as outlined - "you carry your actions out silently. You are immune to roles that investigate you to look for night activity" - I should still be able to carry out an eviction without notice.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
03:10 PM ET (US)
It might make more sense for one of you guys to propose going after the inactive guys though, rather than drawing attention to me, since even though it was random, I'm already kinda in the spotlight. We still have time during the deliberations, but it's just a thought.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
03:17 PM ET (US)
Ok when I get home I'll make the case for lynching an inactive if the town is set on lunching someone.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)
So an interesting development, Mazre has invited me around to his house in the night phase. I guess it's his ability?
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franconp
05-13-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Invited you? Do you know what it means?
I think it's the ability he said previously. What I don't have a clue is what's the effect.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
04:34 PM ET (US)
Huh. Well that could go two ways. If we were to go after Mazre we would obviously take out Hobo too. By not doing that, I wonder if he will think that Hobo is Mafia?
I think we should keep Mazre around. His ability may work in our favor in the future. For today, I'm thinking that if we can divert them from the roommates. Either the current vote for Toma or maybe king kitty to draw attention away further, since he seems to be favoring NOT going after the roommates.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Actually, I mean kingkitty for the night phase.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:44 PM ET (US)
Yeah as it looks right now I'm just going to have the ability to chat to him privately for a night in a forum similar to this. Krakador has said I'm not allowed to copy and paste the text from our convocation we have there and obviously not to share the link. I can share with people that I was invited however though not sure if I should mention that in the main thread yet. I also assume that if I don't post then it's like I don't visit, but then maybe that will be suspicious?
I don't think I'm suspected as such as I am a neighbour of his maybe he can only invite neighbours. At that point it became a 1 in 3 chance it was me. It is also kind of scary that he lynched ourobolus and invited me. That's involvement with two thirds of the known Mafia right there. Not to mention the general suspicion against th housemates I feel like we are already on the back foot.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
04:49 PM ET (US)
Anyone good with percentages? I would have a look at Haly's math but I really need to be revising for my phase boundaries exam tomorrow to muck around there. Instinctively I feel it's off but with those numbers I can see him making a good push on the housemates.
Doesn't help that he will have inflated the numbers by suggesting 6HHA, but we can't really contest that without seeming suspicious, as I've played games with that kinda ratio before.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:00 PM ET (US)
I'm working on that now actually. How does this sound, before I post?
No, your math seems correct, but it's based on the assumption of 6 HHA members. If it's less than that the chance for it to contain at least one drops quite a bit:
5 HHA: 39%
4 HHA: 32%
3 HHA: 24%
2 HHA: 16%
And to top it off, then we have to worry about them taking out someone else during the night too, so we run the risk of losing 3 townies in one day/night cycle.
I'm not really leaning either way on this one just yet, but just trying to get the numbers out there.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:04 PM ET (US)
Also, shit. If the cop investigates Mazre then Hobo will be found out.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:06 PM ET (US)
Looks like Timeasis pre-empted me, but his math is off. I won't say anything.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:07 PM ET (US)
Yeah that seems good. Demonstrates how quickly the percentage drops as HHA go down.
I just wonder if we should wait on that post for a bit? I worry about us seeming to defensive about the house this quick. Someone else may post those numbers for us after all.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:08 PM ET (US)
Someone did, but he mistakenly said that 4 HHA members means a, 81% chance to hit 2 townies, when in reality it's 68%. Hopefully they don't notice.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:11 PM ET (US)
That's a good point about if the cop investigates Mazre. I'll ask Krakador for confirmation on wether I will be revealed as well should that happen and wether not posting in that thread means I chose not to go. If I'm counted as visiting either way then maybe I better make it known in the thread that I've been invited, if his ability is out there the cop may leave him alone.
Also worth noting that Krakador won't announce that I've been invited, not even sure if he will announce that I visited, but if I don't go then it's up to Mazre to reveal that fact.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:26 PM ET (US)
I don't know if announcing it is a good idea - the cop would then be able to investigate both of you (he still could, but now he would know to do so). And then if we don't attack that house, they'll conclude that one of you is mafia, which, if the cop investigates, they will know.
Shit, I'm not sure. We seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. franconp may get evicted unless we convince them otherwise, and hobo will be found out if they investigate Mazre.
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ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Crap, Haly corrected his math. D'oh.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
05:34 PM ET (US)
Ok so update on the Mazre situation, I'm completely fine in terms of being found out, if he gets evicted or investigated it won't happen to me.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
05:42 PM ET (US)
Oh, good. Well that's one thing taken care of. Now we gotta keep them from evicting the roomies.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
Yeah, this is gonna be a tough one from the looks of things...
I reckon we need to either make a play for an inactive (Daryll has been name dropped a few times by others) or the no lynch vote again. It's just a matter of what we can push them towards. The housemates are getting mentioned as popular candidates but no one has actually thrown in to evict them yet. Untill that happens we won't need to worry about a bandwagon starting.
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Josh Martz
05-13-2015
07:11 PM ET (US)
Well we just have to force a plurality rather than a full majority though, thankfully.
> On May 13, 2015, at 18:32, QT - Hobohodo <qtopic-51-AUJivSrXFrX@quicktopic.com> wrote:
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
07:12 PM ET (US)
Er, that was me. Didn't think the post would use my name from my email...
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:13 PM ET (US)
On an unrelated note but it's a thought that pops in my head as I read through the thread, I can't work out if something is up with HippieHobo.
If we take his first post at face value he is essentially telling us he has a role where he makes important desicions. Either he doesn't realise what he is doing by saying that or he is actually trying to lure us to kill him, and it's not unusual to have town roles that kill there attacker as they themselves get killed. No one really commented on it either.
Then his second post, everyone else is in the middle of deliberating who to lynch and what to do with the roommates, and he just posts stuff about everyone going to his for a party? Just came across as odd to me is all, may be worth keeping an eye on him.
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:14 PM ET (US)
Ahahaha, I panicked so much that our forum had been breached when I saw a new name.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
07:33 PM ET (US)
Ooh, Haly's post is good. If the thread follows through we should be golden for the first night. Don't jump on board just yet - but definitely watch!
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Hobohodo
05-13-2015
07:42 PM ET (US)
This could be good for us yeah. Anyway I've gotta head off to get some sleep now so hopefully nothing to drastic happens. I'll pop my head in when I get up encase there is a need to chuck a vote on a bandwagon, but it's gonna be about 12 hours from now (Midday UK for me) till I can get back looking properly.
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franconp
05-13-2015
09:30 PM ET (US)
I finally catch up with everything. Right now I'm in a thight situation and I think that there isn't much I can say to save myself. I'm thinking of staying low for now and see how the events unfold. Luckily there are several players who still thinks that evicting us is a mistake.
If tomorrow the situation turns for the better I intent to stay low. If it turns ugly maybe I will need to roleclaim something to stay in game. The problem is that this will not buy me much time.
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franconp
05-13-2015
09:37 PM ET (US)
Also Karkador's post practically confirmed my suspicions that Ultron has an important role. Maybe if we are lucky and the situation is turning ugly he will be forced to reveal his role.
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
10:08 PM ET (US)
Yeah. You may have to say something vague to save your skin. Hopefully ultron will as well. I'll try and divert them if possible, but it looks like it's still up in the air. Best case we may be able to buy you time? What if we evicted a neighbor, maybe you could move in?
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Ourobolus
05-13-2015
10:57 PM ET (US)
Well I can't tell if Salva is serious, so I put a vote down for Mazre just in case.
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franconp
05-13-2015
11:18 PM ET (US)
I also thought about evicting a neighbour so Ultron or me could move in but it will make pretty clear to town that one of us is mafia. So one of us will be evicted the second day (50-50) and if it is Ultron I will be next the third day.
It's too much of a risk and we don't even know if that rule exist. As we are right now nobody knows how the neighbour system works.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
01:39 AM ET (US)
Mazre has now voted to lynch both of you guys and invited me to his house. He has effectively hit every known member of the HHA. Chances of someone just knowing who the HHA are seems really low, but then this game already seems quite unique, but it's a crazy coincidence otherwise.
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franconp
05-14-2015
06:22 AM ET (US)
So Ultron roleclaimed, but we don't know if he is telling us the truth or not. If he isn't a cop i'm pretty much screwed the next day (unless there ism't a cop).
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franconp
05-14-2015
06:51 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking I should roleclaim as a cop (which I am, only a corrupt one) and offer to investigate someone the town choose. If they confirm that their role is what I claim it is I will be pretty much saved for a long time. The only way this will work is if there isn't any other cop (as he can investigate me) and if the one who can investigate who used a night action on someone (and we know that he exist) doesn't target the same townie.
I think It's a mayor bet but it's the best I can think right now. What do you think?
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:12 AM ET (US)
That might be the best option. You're racking up votes so you'll need to say something.
Now, whether you choose "cop" or not...I'm not sure. I think it will at least buy you a day.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:14 AM ET (US)
Maybe something like you can protect two people? Urgh, but then it will look suspicious if we don't go after you and ultron.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:31 AM ET (US)
Let me think about it for a bit.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:06 AM ET (US)
But I'm a cop, a HHA cop, but a cop. This way I can prove I'm who I say I am and clear my name for a while.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:13 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking roleclaiming and offer town to investigate someone at random the 1st night, post the results the 2nd day and evict that person so I probe I'm who I say. This will clear my name and give us time. The only problem I see is if I'm unlucky and target our secret partner. It's a small chance but it exist.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
08:16 AM ET (US)
You're probably right. The only problem I see is if either:
1) You end up having to investigate ultron.
2) We know there's most likely another cop on their side, and he could easily investigate you
3) If you roleclaim as a cop, then it's going to look fishy if the HHA doesn't evict you during the night.
That said, I think it's probably our best bet.
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franconp
05-14-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
1) I will offer to investigate someone at random. It doesn't make sense I investigate Ultron as I can't probe anything without being evicted with him.
2) If what Ultron said was right, and I don't think he was lying, now I think I'm the only one who can investigate. We know for certain that there is someone that can investigate who act on someone if there is another investigator it would be to much a leverage to town.
3) I'm going to ask for protection for the nights so i'm not evicted forcing the important town roles to protect me and we can act more easily at night.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
08:55 AM ET (US)
Good points. All right, let's positive thinking!
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
09:35 AM ET (US)
They seem to be possibly leaning away from evicting the roomies now - you may want to hold off on roleclaiming for just a little longer.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
09:47 AM ET (US)
Good play, I hope it works.
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franconp
05-14-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)
I think I'm safe for now. Also this give a chance to roleclaim in the future to avoid eviction.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
Yeah, you did good. I think we may be in the clear.
I think we should turn our attention to Mazre, make people think that he is HHA. That means not killing him during the night, but maybe going after Haly, who was accusing him? Mazre is the long, suspicious pole in the tent (though McQ is also up there), and if we can misdirect their attacks that would give us another night if they choose to evict Mazre tomorrow.
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franconp
05-14-2015
10:40 AM ET (US)
I would like to know what he's thinking first. Maybe Hobohodo can get us some important information during their chat.
For all we know he is town, but is role is nothing relevant.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:42 AM ET (US)
No worries, we have time to figure that out. Just throwing out my thoughts with what I know at this point- more information is always better.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
11:44 AM ET (US)
Excellent. Looks like we're heading for a "No Evict" for the first day
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franconp
05-14-2015
12:00 PM ET (US)
I'm leaning to investigate Razmos the fist night. He is next to Hobohodo and his power only can be used on his neighbours. I don't think we should evict him as this will make his neighbours the main suspects but we need to know what can he do.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
12:06 PM ET (US)
Yeah. If we want to evict people that aren't neighbors to us, that only leaves Haly, Kalor, Kingkitty, RobotNinjaHornets, Tucah, Freakzilla, Timeaisis, nin1000, Coppanuva, and Hippiehobo.
I do think we need to poke around the top left corner though, since it's likely our partner is up there. I'm leaning towards it being either Kalor or RobotNinjaHornets. Kalor in particular didn't seem to want to evict the roommates, and RNH went straight for Toma at the beginning, so maybe he's an aggressive HHA partner?
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
12:07 PM ET (US)
Also, Hobo (hope you did well on your exam!) if you get back before the voting ends, you may want to No Evict to push the majority over.
Er, I guess we need two more votes total, actually.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
I've added more notes to the spreadsheet, and you guys are free to edit the document as well.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
02:45 PM ET (US)
Cheers Ourobolus, think it went well.
Had planned on getting on earlier but being the last exam form the year got a bit caught up in stuff the rest of the day. Seems to have been an active day with plenty of stuff happening so I'll spend some time catching up. But yeah gonna go ahead and stick a No Evict vote in.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
Also, I apologize for bombarding you guys with messages. It's been the slowest week at work - most of my federal bosses are out for the week, and since I need them around to sign off and approve things, it's kinda ground to a halt.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)
Provided no one unvotes, We survived the first day! Wooooooo
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
03:28 PM ET (US)
I can tell you're bored, found the message in the Google doc haha. Its good though, will be sure to edit it if something comes up and I'm online.
If just one more person votes then we are in the clear, as once a majority is reached any votes won't count.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
We made it!
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franconp
05-14-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
And we survive a day.
Now we plot.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)
As far as eviction goes, what are your thoughts on Kingkitty? He voted for Mazre, and also is adjacent to Mazre, so if we take Kingkitty out it may lay a lot of attention on Mazre, who I believe we are pretty sure is a townie or at least a third party.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:07 PM ET (US)
Yes!
I'm looking through Launchpads posts at the moment trying to see if he posted anything that comes of as part of a description. Gotta assume he is telling the truth though as otherwise he just signalled to all of the town players that he isn't town...
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:08 PM ET (US)
I looked too and nothing stood out, so let me know if you find something
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:10 PM ET (US)
Could do, he also has a disagreement going with Launchpad we may get people to cling to.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:16 PM ET (US)
Nothing sticks out, like if he has slipped something in its really craftily done. Only things that could be odd are his comments on a designated weed picker and going fishing right at the start, but to be honest everyone was posting nonsense then.
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franconp
05-14-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
I don't have a problem evicting Kingkitty. He isn't a neighbour of any of us, he defended me so it doesn't make any of us suspicious and he attacked Mazre. I don't think town will go with Mazre but we have nothing to lose. Maybe we are lucky and he is our secret partner.
Regarding my investigation I still think I should investigate Razmos. He claimed he has a role and that it can affect Hobohodo.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:36 PM ET (US)
Well we can still discuss other options for eviction if you have them. Anyone else we could direct them to?
I'm curious who the cop will investigate? The roommates or Razmos?
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:36 PM ET (US)
Good spot Franconp, didn't notice Razmos had said that.
The night phase will end once Kark had received all night roles yeah? Once we decide on someone do you reckon we should wait a day or so before submitting our vote? I just wonder if people will look at the more active players if the night ends quickly.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I say give it a bit of time before we do anything. I've been pretty active so I would possibly be suspicious.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:46 PM ET (US)
Oh I also got a bit more info about my invitation from Marze. Essentially it doesn't matter if I talk to him the topic or not, I am considered permanently invited to his for the remainder of the game. As is anyone else who he invites for that matter. So I'm going to lose nothing by talking to him providing I don't say anything to get him suspicious. Hopefully I was invited purely for being a neighbour and not because he suspects me of something this early on. In that regard I can't actually imagine us being able to say much back and forth as the times for him posting and me posting in the main thread havent particularly lined up the last few days.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:52 PM ET (US)
Hm. I don't like the idea of the townies having a separate forum. I think we may have to try to convince people to evict Mazre tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:52 PM ET (US)
Oh, damn. Actually, maybe it'll work in our favor since you are in there...
And since he isn't a ordinary townie, you could claim that to him without suspicion too.
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
04:57 PM ET (US)
Also if Mazre is limited to just his neighbours when it comes to inviting I don't think it's out of the question to assume there may be at least one other player with that ability. Otherwise it will just be a private chat for the top corner.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
04:58 PM ET (US)
You could also claim to be a cop, and we can just provide certain data, like whatever Razmos is.
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franconp
05-14-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
I don't like the idea of Hobohodo claimming being a cop. If that happens and I'm forced to roleclaim in the future (and I'm SURE I will have to) this will lead to complications.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)
Good point. Either way, we may want to put pressure on Mazre, but if nothing happens we may be able to get information from his forum
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franconp
05-14-2015
05:59 PM ET (US)
Thinking about the Mazre situation I don't think he suspects anything about you, he must have a role that allows him to invite neighbours to a private chatroom. That makes sense with all that he said about planting a tree that will grow into the future. If anything we are lucky you were the first invited there as, if you don't bring suspicious on yourself, we can have a source of information about what are thinking 3 more towns.
Also, looking in the map, Mazre is also Kingkitty neighbour so he will surely get an invitation too, sooner or later. So I'm now thinking that's not such a good idea to evict Kingkitty.
The one I would prefer to evict tonight is Haly, but maybe it will make town more suspicious of me (If that were to happen I can play the roleclaiming card).
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Hobohodo
05-14-2015
06:37 PM ET (US)
So now that I realise night talk is banned its apparent that all Mazre's ability is there for is to allow a small group of players to continue to discuss things at night. After all in terms of what we can say and how much to trust, it's identical to if we were talking in the main thread. If he stays alive though it will slowly build up a group of players I guess.I've asked him if he can only invite adjacent players or if he can invite from the whole town so we will have an idea of the extent to which this group can grow, but if it's only adjacent I'd guess the idea is for there to be little pockets of discussions happening at night all over town.
We are able to both kill and investigate yeah? Sometimes I've played variations where Mafia can only make one move a night. If we can do both actions then I feel an investigation should be carried out on either.
Someone in the top left corner, see if our buddy is up there as it's the only part of the map we lack a presence.
Ultron87, work out who francorp has been paired up with.
Razmos, they can do something if they are to be believed and that something could effect me.
Who to kill I'm still kinda unsure on.
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karkador
05-14-2015
06:52 PM ET (US)
Yes, you get your one night eviction + the use of roles
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franconp
05-14-2015
07:10 PM ET (US)
Yes, we can do both actions. Only I can investigate, as is my unique role, but any of us can evict, that should be Ourobolus as he doesn't leave any information of his actions.
I still think that an investigation on Ultron shouldn't be our priority now. There's nothing much to gain, as we can't evict him even if he has a diferent role of which he claimed. Also, as I said before, I think we will be the target of several roles tonight.
As who to evict I'm leaning to someone who have 3 neighbours. That would be:
Tomakasatnav
Tucah
Foshy
nin1000
LaunchpadMcQ
21GunShow
Razmos
Mazre
salvapot
Of that list I think we should investigate Razmos so he would be out. Mazre is out too as we already know what he can do. I also think evicting LaunchpadMcQ would me a main target so he would be also out (and he appears to be a normal townie). We can role out the neighbours of each one of us to not raise suspicions on us right now (that would be Tomakasatnav, 21GunShow,Foshy and salvapot). So that leaves us:
Tucah
nin1000
After re-reading all the post both made I think that Tucah can be our missing partner. I think we should try evicting him. If he is our missing partner good for us, and if he is not we evict a townie with a lot of neighbours and we don't raise suspicious on any of us.
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franconp
05-14-2015
07:19 PM ET (US)
Also I should say that after reading again my role description it doesn't say it would inform me of the affiliation of the target. That means nothing to us as we already know who mafia are, and the rest should be town, but that also could mean that the townies have a cop with them (someone who can obtein information of the affiliations and not the roles). I'm still not sure about this, as having someone who can obtain information on who uses night action on a certain player and also a cop would give townies to much a leverage on the game, but the posibility exist.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
07:25 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure about ultron, really. Since he's stuck with you, he can't really do a whole lot, and he may end up being a target tomorrow anyway (we need to take that into account on who we evict tonight).
While knowing his role might be interesting to know, but it doesn't get us a whole lot of information, I think. Best case we learn something , but he can't do much without evicting himself.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:39 PM ET (US)
Tucah might not be a bad choice for eviction, though. His neighbors have been pretty quiet so far, so that may draw suspicion on them.
Think we should discuss who to investigate further, though.
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Ourobolus
05-14-2015
10:54 PM ET (US)
Yeah. Foshy hasn't posted since before the game started, and freakzilla only posted once since then, and it was on page 1.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
02:56 AM ET (US)
So Mazre can only invite adjacent players which mean he is quite limited so I reckon there will be other night chats going on across the village. This could also mean that a few roles are limited to adjacent steps and so could work in our favour if we do evict Tucah as they may just suspect the players around him.
You make a good point on Ultron though, for now we can't do anything to him so maybe it's not worth using a turn on him when we have other possible moves.
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franconp
05-15-2015
07:06 AM ET (US)
As who to investigate my main target would be Razmos, as he has revealed that he has a role and it could target Hobohodo. I think we need to know what can he do. Maybe he can't really harm us but is better to make sure.
My other 3 targets would be:
-RobotNinjaHornets or Kalor as both are candidates to be our secret partner.
-Haly who I don't think he could be our secret partner but, if my memory isn't wrong, said something about getting more information in the night phase. Right now I should be leaving to work, but later I will look to it further.
Also I want to make a question to Karkador: If there is a sort of medic or something like that he would get notification if his role is used?
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
07:24 AM ET (US)
Haly said this in post 242: "Yep, at least from my perspective. At the very least, depending on what happens during the night I can come closer to pinpointing some HHA."
I don't know if that means anything about a role or just being able to figure more things out just by having new information (I.e. Someone getting evicted at night)
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:04 AM ET (US)
I think we mostly just have to worry about if they choose to investigate the roomies tonight rather than Mazre. Someone else suggested protecting the roomies for tonight, so maybe they didn't actually investigate, but who knows. The next day phase is definitely going to be interesting...
So are we good with evicting Tucah?
As for who to investigate, I think Razmos is a decent choice as well, and Haly would be my second.
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franconp
05-15-2015
08:21 AM ET (US)
I'm ok with evicting Tucah and Investigating Razmos.
Karkador what I want to know it's if there is a medic (or something like that) he gets any notification he protected the target.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:41 AM ET (US)
You can always PM him.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
08:46 AM ET (US)
Yeah Tucah seems a good shout to be evicted.
1. He never was antagonistic with us so nothing will come off like a revenge evict. If anything he was supportive of not evicting the roommates and put up some defence for francorp.
2. If he was putting up an argument for francorp then maybe he is our partner then that also works for us.
As for the investigation I would tend towards Razmos as well. Right now 1 of my neighbours definetly has an ability and now Razmos is claiming to. Gonna need to get a feel for what, if anything, he can do.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
08:48 AM ET (US)
All right, seems like we have our votes. franconp, feel free to investigate when you hear back from Kark. I'll hold off on evicting someone until later this afternoon (EST).
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:04 AM ET (US)
My question with Karkador it's not relevant with the investigation or the eviction. It's mostly to have an alibi why I don't get evicted tonight. I have thought a couple of excuses and would like to have a little more info.
Also I don't think Kark can answer the question but I don't lose anything asking.
I will PM Kark the investigation later.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
09:08 AM ET (US)
Ah, I see. I misread - I thought you were questioning whether someone would get notification if they protected the person that was being investigated. Gotcha.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
09:31 AM ET (US)
Do we find out the results from the investigation during the night phase, or after?
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:38 AM ET (US)
The PM doesn't says anything but I think it will be after everyone that have night roles uses them.
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franconp
05-15-2015
09:40 AM ET (US)
I have sent the investigation PM.
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
12:25 PM ET (US)
I'd guess it will all happen at the start of the day phase.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:26 PM ET (US)
You guys think enough time has passed that I should go ahead and evict?
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karkador
05-15-2015
12:37 PM ET (US)
The night phases wont end early like day phases do, so the timing of your decision makes no difference (but please try to not hold it off til the very end, for my sake)
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Oh, ok. Thanks! I'll PM you.
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franconp
05-15-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
If I understand right it doesn't matter when you use your roles at the night phases.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:39 PM ET (US)
Sent. And now we wait.
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
12:40 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that rule. My reasoning was that I was going to try to evict someone at a time when I don't normally post, but if it doesn't matter then...
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franconp
05-15-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)
Hobohodo did you have a talk with Mazre?
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Hobohodo
05-15-2015
03:26 PM ET (US)
Yeah we've had a small chat but there isn't much to it. The gist of it all is.
He could only invite adjacent players,
He doesn't think we will be able to freely move to a vacant house (which I agree with)
He thinks a player may have the ability to move people into houses (again I am inclined to agree)
It is basically just a drastically reduced version of the main thread. If he survives long enough then eventually 4 of us can chat away in there but all it allows us to have us a place of discussion at night. As I said I reckon there are going to be a few pockets of these across the map as I can't see what is gained by just having one corner chat away at night.
The biggest worry for me is double checking every time that I am posting HHA stuff in this quick topic and not his!
Also good to know that the night phase length is always fixed!
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Ourobolus
05-15-2015
03:29 PM ET (US)
Hm, I wonder if I'll get invited to one soon enough then, since I've got the bottom-left corner.
I agree with him on the two points though. I wonder who has that role though, if it exists.
While I like in theory the fixed night cycles, I do get antsy wanting to see what becomes of our actions!
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:25 AM ET (US)
If anyone else got invited tonight they may mention it or allude to it tomorrow. I was able to tell people I had been invited to Mazre's house if I wished for instance.
I guess we need to give Kark time to sort it all out...but it's hard to not get impatient!
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
12:48 PM ET (US)
Nice, looks like Tucah had a special role, and we picked a good night to off him.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
12:49 PM ET (US)
You find out anything about Razmos?
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franconp
05-17-2015
01:04 PM ET (US)
Well, my role is not so useful has I hoped it would be. I only get the name of the role but not what it does.
Razmos role's is Town Gossip, but I have no idea what he can do. I'm thinking it could be the same role as Mazre.
Tucah was a good hit, he had some tricky role.
Let's see how the day phase goes.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
01:46 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I feel like that's the same role as Mazre, too.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:14 PM ET (US)
I'd agree on Razmos' roll being the same as Mazre. Though they would be very close then. Potentially I could be invited to Razmos' to chat as well if that's the case. Only other thing I could see it being would be something like he can put out gossip on people. Maybe make it seem like someone acted at night to the roles that detect night time activity. In the sense that he is spreading gossip so to speak.
Either way we gotta start thinking about our play here. They are already considering the idea we are limited to neighbours which makes me think the people saying that could have night roles that limit them to neighbours. Will also need to consider that I've been flagged up as being in a prime position to neighbour lots of people (based on the assumption that all 8 squares count) but I probably won't worry about that yet.
Thinking long term as well what ever our play is going to be I reckon we shouldn't have all 3 of us agreeing instantly. Gotta keep us seeming a separate entity as long as we can.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
03:50 PM ET (US)
So did anyone take Toma's post not hearing anything as anything other than a joke? Seems odd that Launchpad is using stuff like that to try and make a deduction.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
03:55 PM ET (US)
I think it was just a joke, but let them focus on it
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
'It was a very clever pick. What we learned from Night 1 is that the HHA have some crafty motherfuckers.'
Damm right!
Hopefully some more guys will pop on and post soon as this is the original end time. We can try and work out how to play this off then.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
04:47 PM ET (US)
Hm, I want to steer them away from diagonals, but considering I was diagonal to Tucah it would probably leave me suspicious. I'm not sure how to chime in just yet.
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franconp
05-17-2015
04:50 PM ET (US)
I think you don't need to say anything right now. Let's wait and see how they react to the evict.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
04:51 PM ET (US)
I posted something generic. I wanted to at least keep a presence rather than drifting away, since I was pretty talkative the first day.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
04:59 PM ET (US)
There is one plan I've got, but it depends on what Mazre would consider an adjacent players, as when I asked him about who he could invite to the house he said adjacent players. Now he role claimed pretty early so it's well known he has a night role.
Now as long as adjacent players does just mean up, down, left and right to him we could try and get him to share this info in the thread.
If we go this route though we gotta be careful not to slip up as you guys shouldn't be aware of Mazre's ability.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:07 PM ET (US)
Razmos already stated in the thread that he can only go one space up/down/left/right.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:25 PM ET (US)
Ahh, I had forgotten about that! Should work in our favour mind. as we think that he could have the same role as Mazre if we get two of them saying that it could get you off the hook for corners.
Of course with that information people may realise the Mafia can't be bound be geography without there being loads of us, but ar the moment I would say everyone is leading towards geography restricting us.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:30 PM ET (US)
I'm hoping that the adjacency argument buys us a day or two, at the very least.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
05:38 PM ET (US)
*laughs maniacally*
MWAHAHAHAHAHa
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
Huehuehuehuehue
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franconp
05-17-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)
Ourobolus that was dangerous. Right now we don't need to take great risks as there is no clue who we are, and the probability of hitting one of us by a random eviction is low. I think we should post the least possible information.
With soo many players the only way town can find one of us is with contradictions or excess of information. We should avoid that and play with their confusion and their lack of information.
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Hobohodo
05-17-2015
05:51 PM ET (US)
Yeah adjacency stuff should have us ticking over for s bit.
If we get real desperate to get Mazre's info out there then I can at least say that I was contacted by him. This should probably be a last resort however as if I was a townie I doubt I would reveal stuff about another (most likely) townie with an ability as it could get him evicted, people may pick up,on that. Also could draw suspicion from a neutral party as well if I spell out a connexion between us.
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
I don't think we should target Mazre. Mazre's chat could be a source of information to us.
I think we should wait and see who town what's to evict. If it's a big majority we add our votes. If it's distributed in several townies we should split our votes.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I'll try to be more careful. I'm gonna lay low for a bit. I had to clarify since Razmos had definitely said something before.
And I agree - let's see where they lean. Mazre isn't a target just yet and they seem to be thinking about Foshy or Freak.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:35 PM ET (US)
Damn. I may have fucked up. Sorry guys.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:38 PM ET (US)
Hopefully launchpad's accusation can just be written off as deflection based on people accusing him, but I dunno... :/
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:39 PM ET (US)
Don't worry. They don't have anything to suspect of you. They are saying James to see if someone tales the bait. Just let them post and wait to see how ir goes
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:39 PM ET (US)
Saying names.
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Ourobolus
05-17-2015
06:42 PM ET (US)
Yeah. I'm not going to say anything.
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franconp
05-17-2015
06:53 PM ET (US)
Let's wait and see. The only one saying your name is launchpad and he isn't in a good position right now.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
11:57 AM ET (US)
Yeah people seem to be quieter initially here, I guess because we gave them very little to go on by killing Tucah. Gotta assume that later today or tomorrow some of the guys from the last game will start moving things forward again, just got to hope they don't go back to the roomies as we haven't provided them with more info.
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franconp
05-18-2015
12:10 PM ET (US)
I don't think we (Ultron and me) would be in trouble today. And if things turn that way I can roleclaim, post what Razmos role is and force his eviction to prove that I'm an investigator. I'd prefer to do it later in the game (so I have more info) but I can do it this turn if needed.
I'm still waiting to see who the first vote goes to. Right now Launchpad seems the main target, but there are no votes.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
12:25 PM ET (US)
From the way Foshy describes his ability. (Target someone and then they could vouch for him the next day) he could have the ability to invite people to a private forum in a similar way to Mazre.
Just worth us bearing in mind.
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ourobolus
05-18-2015
12:27 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I saw that too. Hopefully he reaches out to me tonight.
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franconp
05-18-2015
12:36 PM ET (US)
How many players have the same role?
We know that Mazre have it, Razmos is very likely to have it and now Foshy seems too. At this rate we probably have 5-6 night chats going on.
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franconp
05-18-2015
01:44 PM ET (US)
Razmos almost confirm what we suspected of his role. Do we know what happens when the player with the role is evicted? Does the chatromm dies with him or it stays open with the rest of the members?
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franconp
05-18-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)
And Razmos roleclaimed and ruined my alibi. Luckily I'm not on the spot right now so I can get info on someone else at night.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
02:14 PM ET (US)
In Mazre's case if he dies then his chat room stays open.
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
Hmm we need to get them off the idea that town gossip has been placed there to purposefully look at someone and could instead be just to provide pockets of discussion at night.
I don't wanna bring this up now as it may make me seem suspicious. Would be good if Mazre pipes up soon though as he has the exact same role. Of course this could make people suspicious of me as I am then a common target for both of the town gossips we know of =/
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Ourobolus
05-18-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)
I wouldn't say anything unless Mazre specifically calls you out.
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ourobolus
05-18-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
Huh. Pretty sure freakzilla is going down tonight. Wonder if he is our partner?
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Hobohodo
05-18-2015
06:12 PM ET (US)
Let's hope not or we kinda brought it upon him by going for Tucah and banking on his science making him suspicious...I would also hope that our partner would have slightly more tact than that of they were Mafia, came across very defensive at that point.
I need to go back through and see if he said anything or if he was just inactive.
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Ourobolus
05-18-2015
06:19 PM ET (US)
I don't actually think he is our partner. I think he is just flailing due to everyone jumping on him. I still think our partner is Kalor.
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franconp
05-18-2015
07:41 PM ET (US)
I also think is Kalor or RobotNinjaHornets.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
08:38 AM ET (US)
Man, the Star Wars thread is ridiculously more active than ours. And they are out for blood.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
01:54 PM ET (US)
I think the Star Wars thread has more guys who played last time? Could explain the increased activity for them.
I think our activity is quite slow due to the position everyone is in. Really this is just becoming a repeat of yesterday for everyone due to the No Lynch vote. Anyway, I feel like we should probably get some votes of our own thrown out soon.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
I kinda want to lean them towards the inactives but I'm thinking about not voting just yet due to my proximity to Tucah. Some people are still latching on to that concept.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
My reasoning would basically be getting rid of an inactive:
If HHA: Great!
If Town: They weren't really contributing much anyway. At least ultron and franconp are in the discussion.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
01:58 PM ET (US)
Though quite a few now are picking up with voting out the roommates again, so we need to figure out a way to steer that somewhere else...
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:11 PM ET (US)
For the sake of consistency with my posts I need to wait a little bit before backing the idea of an inactive. My last post mentioned that I only wanna go to a random inactive as a last resort if the day was heading to a close and no one had gotten anywhere. If I flipflop on that now Haly could see it as me being guided by other players. They have already mentioned the possibility of that happening and they most likely know we have this forum for that to happen in.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)
Also, how do we go about checking everyones post count for the thread? Was about to look at it and update our spreadsheet then I realised I don't actually know how to go about it.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:21 PM ET (US)
Click the number of posts in Off-Topic Community list for the thread. That will bring up the list.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:23 PM ET (US)
I updated the post counts if you want to record the various votes.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
04:32 PM ET (US)
Awesome, yeah I'll go through and do that.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
04:40 PM ET (US)
I think it's funny that they seem to mostly be focusing on ultron as the HHA role in the roommate house.
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Hobohodo
05-19-2015
05:45 PM ET (US)
Yeah, in the long run it won't matter who they suspect, but it makes for some entertaining reading.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
06:00 PM ET (US)
Yeah. It's gonna be a thorn in our side at some point, but it is still funny.
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Ourobolus
05-19-2015
09:26 PM ET (US)
I can't tell if LMQ suspects me or not, since he left me off his list. At least he doesn't really suspect either of you!
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:13 AM ET (US)
It's amazing how much the demolished house is leading discussion, can't blame them though.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
Christ, I go to bed and the thread explodes again.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
08:37 AM ET (US)
Tell me about it. Reading through the thread as I eat my breakfast is becoming increasingly more common.
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franconp
05-20-2015
09:38 AM ET (US)
Seeing how the thread is going after the eviction of tucah I'm thinking we should evict someone completly unrelated with Tucah and not a suspect today. I'm leaning to evict Timeaisis or Kingkitty. Both of them won't give any clues and the reactions on the 3rd day will be interesting.
As my investigation I'm thinking of Kalor or Darryl. I need someone to serve me as an alibi in case I'm in trouble the next day phase. The problem would be if Kalor is the secret partner, as I wouldn't have something to prove my role.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
10:39 AM ET (US)
I agree. I was leaning towards kingkitty before and nothing has really changed for him to draw any suspicion towards us. Timeaisis I think might be good to leave around for a little bit, solely because he doesn't seem to want to evict the roommates.
I think we should investigate Kalor. He's still at the top of my list for being our secret partner.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:36 PM ET (US)
If we keep going down this road, we may want to investigate someone like launchpad (since I'm pretty confident that he isn't HHA) so that you can provide some info without worrying about finding the secret partner.
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franconp
05-20-2015
02:52 PM ET (US)
The problem is that he already claimed to be a regular townfolk so, if that's true, my investigation won't mean anything. I would need to investigate someone with a role. So far, according to launchpad's post, the following player's have roleclaimed:
Special Roles
Mazre (vague)
Razmos (Town Gossip)
Ultron (Troublemaker)
Kalor (vague)
foshy (vague)
HippieHobo (vague)
I have already investigated Razmos (and he posted his role and give me a problem) and Ultron it's no good. Foshy's role is pretty clear with the post he made so it's no good either. So my options are:
Mazre (vague)
Kalor (vague)
HippieHobo (vague)
If HippieHobo is forced to reveal the name of his role I would have nothing again. The same with Mazre, he can roleclaim anytime. So Kalor or someone who hasn't said he has a role would be my best bet.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:54 PM ET (US)
Good point. The problem with you investigating someone like Kalor, they could assume you two are on the same team and you could be covering for them. I think it might make more sense to go after Hippiehobo though, since he has yet to actually say what the name of his role is.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
02:55 PM ET (US)
At this point I'm hoping they all decide to evict Haly.
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franconp
05-20-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
I thought of Hippiehobo but if he give in and says the name of his role, it's Razmos situation all over again and I'm sure i will be evicted the 3rd day.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:02 PM ET (US)
Right, well we may have to hope it doesn't come to that. If Kalor turns out to be our partner, what would you say after you investigated him? Regular townie?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:02 PM ET (US)
HA
Foshy just invited me over to his house. Guess he's a Town Gossip as well.
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franconp
05-20-2015
03:39 PM ET (US)
If I investigate Kalor and he turns up to be our partner I'm screwed. I can't say I investigated him has there is not a way to prove it (the only way I have to prove being an investigator is forcing town to evict someone I investigate). I need to investigate someone else this turn.
As Hippiehobbo seems to be out for good in this phase my main targets would be someone who hasn't roleclaimed:
kingkitty
Darryl
Timeaisis
SmokinGunZ198
Nin1000
Coppanuva
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
03:42 PM ET (US)
Well kingkitty is out, because I still think he's our best bet for eviction (unless you guys have a better idea).
What about Foshy? He never explicitly stated he was a Town Gossip, just gave a vague hint as to what he could do.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)
Well I've chucked my vote down on Hippiehobo, seems like it is going to go that way.
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franconp
05-20-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Foshy it's the same as Mazre, we already know their roles.
I could Investigate him to see if his role has the same name as Razmos, but it isn't a strong alibi. The role name it's already out.
Of the previous list my main targets would be Darryl, Timeaisis and Nin1000.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Ditto. Luckily a ton of people are bandwagoning, but still. I don't think we can get by without voting. Maybe fran can skip today if he wants.
I wanted to vote for Haly, but it wouldn't make any difference.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Foshy never said what his role does, only that it activates at day and his target finds out at night.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
Fran, are you looking to investigate someone totally unknown, or someone that we know what the role is, but the rest of the forum doesn't?
Although, nvm. It makes sense to go after one of those three and we can always claim you investigated Foshy if need be.
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franconp
05-20-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
The problem with Foshy and Mazre it's both of you have been invited. So they could make connections between the 3 of us. It's a long shot but it's best to be cautious.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:33 PM ET (US)
True. All right. I'll trust your judgment on this one.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
Are you gonna vote, Fran? Might make sense to pick someone other than Hippiehobo if you do.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
Hey so just remind me again why we were gonna vote king kitty tonight?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
04:44 PM ET (US)
My reasoning is he is pretty benign, like Tucah. He's also been picking freakzilla today, so maybe that can draw suspicion. He hasn't really been a threat yet, but he's been pretty quiet. He may have a power role too, he's one of the ones that hasn't claimed anything yet.
He's also far enough away that if they are still on that proximity kick it should absolve all of us.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
04:47 PM ET (US)
Ahh fair enough, that seems good enough logic to me.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
05:11 PM ET (US)
Wonder if the three voting Haly will just switch to Hippie to end the day quicker, or if they will defiantly hold on to those votes to the end?
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)
I'm curious of launchpad's request. I'd much rather evict Haly over Hippiehobo, but...
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
Yeah I agree that really if Haly isn't our secret partner they will be pretty dangerous in the long run as they seem to have a good handle on everything.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:07 PM ET (US)
I unvoted for now. I want to hear his logic.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:11 PM ET (US)
I'll probably hold off going of Hippie myself for a bit, even if launchpad comes up with some good stuff and starts a bandwagon. My earlier post was rather supportive of Haly so don't wanna seem like I'm flip-flopping to much. Always going to be good if we have some apposing votes as well.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:12 PM ET (US)
Right. Fran hasn't voted, you're on Hippie, and I can be the "reasonable" party for now. Probably best that we divide up our votes.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:21 PM ET (US)
Yeah,
Also just something for us to bear in mind if me and fran get more active with our post counts and start to have some back and forth dialogues with other players (right now whenever I post it's pretty much just a summary of the thoughts I wanna put forward, partly been due to University commitments but I finished today so aim to be a bit more active going forward) we need to make sure to not ignore each other. In a game I played before someone got pretty suspicious of a fair chunk of the mafia as they were engaged in discussion with the more active townies, but because of there own forum to discuss stuff never really spoke to each other much in the main thread.
Just worth us to consider I reckon.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
For now, I think we are doing the appropriate level of discussion. I seem to do the most, Fran the least. The only sticking point is making sure to keep Fran out of the spotlight. He's got a giant bullseye on his back because of his roommate, and not to be crude, but if you go out we at least get a benefit of double eviction. We gotta keep Fran around as long as possible, so our discussion needs to reflect that.
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Hobohodo
05-20-2015
06:37 PM ET (US)
Haha don't worry about being crude, when I first saw my role I realised that out of all of us I would find most use in death. Actually makes me wonder what role/ability our missing partner could have. I hope it is a useful one which is why we don't start the game with it.
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Ourobolus
05-20-2015
08:09 PM ET (US)
Ugh. Hopefully Mazre doesn't muck up the vote count tonight. Hobo and I would qualify for his vote.
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Hobohodo
05-21-2015
03:14 AM ET (US)
So thankfully he plopped on Nin1000 for now.
I'm trying to work out wether to respond to HippieHobo or not. I worry be may rail in at anyone who posts from here on but doesn't acknowledge his question. I was thinking something along the lines of...
'The problem is that everyone will claim to be town and for the regular villagers there is nothing they can do to prove it. The guys with abilities are able to do a bit more if they can prove there abaility, as you and I believe Razmos have so far done. The other issue is whar we disussed earlier. If everyone ends up going in and proving an ability or adding themselves to the pool of standard townies, which by extension narrows down those who have abilities, then we essentially paint targets on the backs of the HHA.'
Thought?
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
06:59 AM ET (US)
I'd ignore it for now. I doubt many people will respond, but who knows? Everyone can just lie.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
08:34 AM ET (US)
Hm. If for some reason Hippiehobo survives the day, we may want to consider evicting Haly. LMQ and HH would probably be the prime suspects for that, I think?
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franconp
05-21-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I don't think he will survive but if he does I'm ok with it.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:36 AM ET (US)
Oh man, that first eviction in the Star Wars thread is rough. That role would have been amazing.
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franconp
05-21-2015
09:43 AM ET (US)
I'm sure they are regreating detaining him now.
Reading Launchpad last post I'm thinking it's not a good idea evicting Haly. I think we should go along with our previous plan and evict Kingkitty. If we don't give a clue the next day will be a witch-hunt between Launchpad and HippieHobbo vs Haly.
Remember that confusion favors us.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:44 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I just read his post - I agree. Hopefully they can keep up this back and forth for a while.
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franconp
05-21-2015
09:53 AM ET (US)
Reviewing the map again I think another good eviction can be Coppanuva.
He hasn't talk much so he can't be linked to any of us and he is next to both nin1000 and Launchpad.
If they have suspicions between them now if we evict Coppanuva it could lead to an all out war.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Hm. I hadn't considered him since nin1000 had been pretty quiet until right now, but yeah, that's a good point. He's about as middle-of-the-road as kingkitty is.
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franconp
05-21-2015
10:03 AM ET (US)
He also voted to evict Haly.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:16 PM ET (US)
Another day survived. Good job guys.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:29 PM ET (US)
And we are safe again. And even better is that there aren't any suspicions of any of us yet.
HippieHobo is out, so we need to discuss who we evict now and who I investigate.
For eviction I'm leaning between Kingkitty and Coppanuva. For investigation between Kalor, Darryl and Timeaisis.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:35 PM ET (US)
I'm right there with you. While I hope that the Launchpad<->nin1000<->Haly debacle continues, they may start diverting to you and ultron, so maybe it's a good idea to investigate Timeaisis? Considering I think Kalor is the secret partner, while on one hand we need to figure out who he is, we also need to safeguard your role.
And due to the whole nin1000 thing, I'm leaning towards Coppanuva as the eviction, but I could be swayed either way, really.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Huh, based on HH's role description, it looks like he could have double-voted multiple times.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)
I saw that too. We are lucky he is out because he was very risky.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)
Oh yeah, I have Foshy's nighttime room also. Forgot about that.
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franconp
05-21-2015
12:51 PM ET (US)
Also HH's has been destroyed too so no chance of moving out.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
01:10 PM ET (US)
Well let's see what Hobo's thoughts are. Disappointing about the lack of moving houses. That's gonna get old real fast with you and your roommate.
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
I think Hobo and I need to figure out a strategy for the next day phase as well. We were bandwagoning pretty hard this past one, and I know I would probably find it suspicious.
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franconp
05-21-2015
03:58 PM ET (US)
It would be too shitty to evict EzekelRAGE???
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Ourobolus
05-21-2015
04:08 PM ET (US)
Haha, I thought about that. That seems just too much of a dick move though. They mentioned it in the separate mafia thread though, heh.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
03:18 AM ET (US)
I mean if we did evict EzekelRAGE it would quite literally give them nothing to go on as he has done nothing at all. It is hilarious but oh so dickish.
King kitty has been invited into Mazre's forum, so that makes three of us there now. If we evict him then Mazre could spill th beans about being a town gossip, this will let them all know that I am surrounded by 2 town gossips which could get people suspicious of me being surrounded by them. Also as I was not invited by Razmos then he must have invited Timeasis, meaning I should get an invite tomorrow.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
04:13 AM ET (US)
As for working out a strategy right now Mazre is trying to work out a code or something that those of us in his chat can use to coordinate in the day phrase. Mazre had a lot of pull in Day 1 when he was active so maybe I should follow suit with whatever he wants to do in the next day phase regardless of how things play out? I'll give a more comprehensive run down or what's been discussed so far later as I got to head off for work now.
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ourobolus
05-22-2015
07:32 AM ET (US)
Razmos called out inviting Timeaisis in the thread, which Time confirmed. Foshy has yet to post anything in his thread, so I posted a quick "Hello" to maybe get him going. What do you mean by "code?" Coordinate what?
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franconp
05-22-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I was only joking about EzekelRAGE. I saw that thread too.
As Kingkitty has been invited to the chat I think we should wait and not evict him. If they are planning to use a code or something it could be beneficial to us as we will know what they want to do. Also that means Mazre trust you so we are ok.
So my main target for eviction would be Coppanuva. I don't see any problem with his eviction. He is close to me but I've been in the spot every day so it won't affect much.
For the investigation I'm still leaning to Darryl, Timeaisis and Kalor.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
10:17 AM ET (US)
As much as I'd really like to investigate Kalor, I think it might be better to do one of the other two so that you can get some defense in case you are target during the next Day phase, just in case Kalor is our partner. Unless you think you can swing that in our favor.
I'm fine with evicting Coppanuva though.
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Hobohodo
05-22-2015
10:49 AM ET (US)
Right now his code thing is just an idea and pretty vague. Don't know if we will pull it off but the idea is just to have an easy way to share our ideas between me, kingkitty and Mazre during the day in a way everyone else won't see. I think the idea is that one of us can post a smessage in he main thread that seems completely innocuous but within it we have stated our intentions to the other two to maybe evict a particular player. The other two can then reply back with an innocuous message that actually has the hidden response saying yay or nay. It appears to be quite an ambitious idea so will have to see how things go.
Kingkitty has only said hello and shown interest in a code, not actually posted much of his thoughts so far.
Companuva is a good candidate in my mind as well, for the investigation I agree that we need to get some info for you to use francorp. What's the reasoning on Darryl and Timeasis again?
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franconp
05-22-2015
10:50 AM ET (US)
We don't know for certain if he is our partner or not. I'm still leaning more for RobotNinjaHornet than Kalor.
Regarding the roleclaim I think it would be best if I roleclaim as an investigator (my actual role) than a cop. If I roleclaim as a cop it will bring more trouble at the long road as I would have to clear suspicion on a townie every turn until there is no one else. It will buy a little time. Also I wouln't be able to lie, as my cover would blow up rather quickly.
If I say I'm an investigator I can inform town of a certain player role and say I don't know his aligment so the town would have to decide what to do. In cases such as Ultron the roles can be ambiguous so that could work in our favor. The problem is that it would be a weaker role.
In my opinion the best target for investigation would be Timeaisis.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
11:02 AM ET (US)
Oh, definitely. I wouldn't roleclaim as a cop. That would likely bring trouble. I'm fine with Timeaisis as well.
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franconp
05-22-2015
11:15 AM ET (US)
I think Darryl or Timeaisis would be good targets as both have been trying to evict me and it wouldn't be weird that I investigate them. Also both of them haven't roleclaimed yet so we don't know what they can and can't do. They are both next to Razmos so I'm pretty sure they aren't town gossip (it wouldn't make sense them to be).
At worst they are regular townies but if they have special roles I can pressure town to evict them to prove my role (and get a complicated player off my back)
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
04:27 PM ET (US)
So should I go ahead and evict Coppanuva?
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franconp
05-22-2015
05:32 PM ET (US)
I would wait a bit. Let's see if we can get any info from the other chats.
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Ourobolus
05-22-2015
06:11 PM ET (US)
Fine with me. Foshy is pretty quiet usually and hasn't posted anything yet, so I wouldn't expect much from my end other than being able to possibly use his role as leverage in the future.
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
01:48 PM ET (US)
Any new info?
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franconp
05-23-2015
02:23 PM ET (US)
Nothing new. Evict Coppanuva.
I will investigate Timeaisis now as I will be busy and don't know if I will be able to follow the thread tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)
Done!
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Hobohodo
05-23-2015
08:20 PM ET (US)
Yeah Mazre's chat hasn't moved on at all. There just hasn't been much for townies to speculate due to our hit on Tucah coming out of know where.
So shall we think on plan of attack for the next Day Phase?
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Ourobolus
05-23-2015
09:10 PM ET (US)
I imagine our hit tonight won't provide any more answers for the townies, so I see them focusing in in the roommates or maybe launchpad and nin1000. I'm going to try to keep a low profile for now, maybe parrot some things to keep them off of the roommates. But I don't know - won't really know until we see their reactions!
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Hobohodo
05-24-2015
04:18 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm hoping that Mazre manages to get something working for his private chat so that I can try and gain trust through him this day.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
Darn. Coppa was just a regular townie. You find out anything about Timeasisis?
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franconp
05-24-2015
03:40 PM ET (US)
Yes timeaisis is also a regular townie. Bad luck
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Hobohodo
05-24-2015
04:58 PM ET (US)
Mazre didn't manage to get anything posted at all regarding a code so nothing gained there. Did Froshy ever talk to you ourobolus?
At least suspicions don't seem to be on any of us initially. Going to have to read through the new players post in detail and get his feelings scoped out.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
05:01 PM ET (US)
Damn about Timeaisis.
Foshy never said a word.
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franconp
05-24-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)
Yeah, and the worst is that he isn't to useful as an alibi.
Let's see how the day goes by. So far it seems ok.
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Ourobolus
05-24-2015
06:09 PM ET (US)
Yeah, so far things seem to be going well. If they keep the pressure on nin1000 or something we may finally be able to take out one of the more talkative players.
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franconp
05-24-2015
06:32 PM ET (US)
I also think the same. If nin1000 is evicted we should try to evict launchpad or haly. But the day just started so there's a long way ahead.
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franconp
05-25-2015
02:16 PM ET (US)
The last Razmos's post is quite interesting (post 740). He is sharing his chatroom with Darryl and Timeaisis right? If any info was revealed in the private chat it had to come from Darryl as we know that Timeaisis is an ordinary townfolk so he can't obtain info. Luckily for us Hobohodo will have access to the same info tonight and, asuming the info is important, we would be forced to act.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
02:26 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I thought the same too. I think we need to see what happens here though, nin1000 just jumped on Razmos as if he knew something, which could work in our favor. He just painted a huge bullseye on himself.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:33 PM ET (US)
Yeah I'm intrigued now, hopefully Razmos does choose to invite me tonight. He could always decide to keep me out for one reason or another.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:35 PM ET (US)
Also, if I am keeping track then Razmos is also the only player who has revealed there role in the thread correct?
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
Correct. Also, Hobo - you gotta stop posting right after i do. It's going to seem suspicious.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:41 PM ET (US)
In terms of town gossips that is.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
06:43 PM ET (US)
My bad, hadn't noticed a closeness in our postings. It hasn't been intentional but I'll try and leave some space between us!
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:43 PM ET (US)
I figured it wasn't intentional, just something you need to be aware of
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
06:51 PM ET (US)
I'll respond to you just to hopefully set off any trail that may be occurring.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
07:01 PM ET (US)
Good idea,
Will be interesting to see if Froshy or Mazre reveal there role at all this phase. If they do then I can see discussion heading to the fact we have 3 town gossips in play. Along those lines I'm curious if anything can be read into Salvapot being the only player in the top right corner who can't be invited by any of the gossips up there.
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Hobohodo
05-25-2015
07:23 PM ET (US)
Second time launchpad has brought up the idea that one of the three of us that surround Razmos is HHA. I knows it's still real early in the day to see how this all goes down, but if we did evict launchpad tonight people may look at that theory with more scrutiny.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
07:35 PM ET (US)
I had a feeling that would come up, so I'm hoping that Foshy keeps his mouth shut about his role, since I was invited. If we can't evict Launchpad tonight I propose we look at Haly, Ezekel, or Mazre.
I know Mazre is creating the room, but if he makes the room then if he is gone you can still communicate with the others there and he won't be around to confirm his role.
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franconp
05-25-2015
09:53 PM ET (US)
Mazre posted he doesn't think he will be using his role again today. The only neighbour he can invite left would be freakzilla, so it seems he is doubting about him. It's a shame that we won't have info of freakzilla opinion in the private chat, but that also means he trust Hobohodo so we are ok.
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Ourobolus
05-25-2015
09:59 PM ET (US)
True, but it also seems like freak is a target in the thread. It may eventually be a problem if Mazre stays alive, but for now it should buy us some time.
My point is that at least one person has picked up on the fact that gossips seem to be spaced out so that they are near one of us (secret partner notwithstanding).
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Hobohodo
05-26-2015
04:05 AM ET (US)
Going to agree with evicting Launchpad, Ezekel or Launchpad, but not so sure what we gain from going for Mazre right now. He is a known quantity and looking back he only really lead things Day 1 due to his early ability claim. Day 2 he was pretty quiet. Also if we do evict him is role will be revealed in the thread anyway which is pretty much the same as him confirming his role right? Right now he is going to be aware that I am positioned between two gossips but he hasn't yet revealed this fact.mwouldn't say I've done anything that would make him gain my trus so is probably more that he suspects other players more and doesn't want Launchpad to waste a turn on evicting me when he suspects others some more. Otherwise I can't really work out what his angle is.
Anyway we could have a situation with the roomies right now.
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franconp
05-26-2015
06:36 AM ET (US)
I think is time to roleclaim. It's a shame I don't have a stronger alibi but there's nothing I can do.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
06:49 AM ET (US)
Yeah, sadly it seems like our only option at this point.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
08:35 AM ET (US)
...this is gonna be interesting.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
08:46 AM ET (US)
The only thing I'm really worried about now is that if HHA doesn't take out the roommates tonight, it's going to look really suspicious - although it may put the spotlight on ultron rather than you.
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franconp
05-26-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)
I think the same but I also think town will want to have the investigator stay longer in the game so I don't think they will evict us.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:28 AM ET (US)
Ah crap, I just realized if they evict nin1000, I'm going to be the only one next to Foshy. And if they keep up the argument that there's at least 1 HHA within range of a Gossip (or an HHA Gossip), that's going to spell trouble for me.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
10:00 AM ET (US)
Hm...I suppose I should probably confirm Foshy, though that may eventually cast suspicion on me.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
10:31 AM ET (US)
I figured if I didn't confirm him it would be even more suspicious if he was voted out and they realized he was town, though.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
11:28 AM ET (US)
Shit. Damn you, Foshy.
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franconp
05-26-2015
12:10 PM ET (US)
Weird day so far. We all have been proposed as possible HHA. We need to very carefull how we procced.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Yeah, this day isn't going well at the moment.
fran - Mazre has questions for you.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:48 PM ET (US)
Crap, if nin1000 goes out, I am almost certainly getting evicted tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
So, I have an idea, but it's risky. If nin1000 gets evicted, you need to claim that you investigated me during the night and confirm I am an ordinary villager. I don't see any other way around it, even though if they find out you're lying they'll definitely evict the roommates. Considering they seem to think you are town, it might not be as risky as I think though.
Just an idea.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
01:02 PM ET (US)
Spreadsheet is up-to-date.
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franconp
05-26-2015
01:33 PM ET (US)
I though the same. I can probably save someone claiming he being a regular townie.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)
What is RNH saying about "kingkitty's action?" Hm...I wonder if KK is the cop.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
03:13 PM ET (US)
Oh, I see. It's referring to Kalor's Light Sleeper ability. Since Haly and RNH didn't do anything (so they say), and Mazre is a Gossip, then KK must have a special role. I think we may want to consider evicting him tonight...unless he's a Commuter too, in which case he'll leave town for the night (since the ability only triggered on the first day)...
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franconp
05-26-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
If we evict Kingkitty tonight it could put Hobohodo in trouble.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
05:08 PM ET (US)
True, but if we end up having to make me a villager, it'll cast doubt on the whole gossip-HHA theory since there wouldn't be any by Foshy.
Regardless, thinking about it I think KK might be a commuter. Let's see what happens with Kalor's role tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
07:24 PM ET (US)
Regardless of what happens next, I'm proud of our ability to keep them all in the dark thus far
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franconp
05-26-2015
08:55 PM ET (US)
The star wars thread is AMAZING.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:00 PM ET (US)
I know. It's so ridiculous.
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Ourobolus
05-26-2015
09:25 PM ET (US)
Ugh. This is gonna be an interesting day/night phase.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
08:21 AM ET (US)
I'm trying to work out what Mazre's angle is with not wanting me invited to Razmos just yet.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
I'm thinking that since you're the bridge between the two groups, you're probably the most suspicious.
Do we have any idea what Darryl's role is? Could he be the cop?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:43 AM ET (US)
Scrolling back through the thread, posts 495 & 496 are a lot funnier now.
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franconp
05-27-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Looking at yesterday posts I'm thinking maybe Kingkitty could be our secret partner. He has no problem with me investigating him but doesn't want me to reveal the role. Maybe he is our partner and knows he doesn't work as an alibi.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:02 AM ET (US)
Yeah, that might be a good idea. Worst case you can just claim to have investigated me.
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franconp
05-27-2015
10:21 AM ET (US)
Or we can try evicting him during the night. If he is our partner he will be invited to the chat, if he isn't we get rid a potential dangerous role. At most we lost an eviction, which will make town think HHA targeted me at night and someone protected me, adding to cleaning my name.
The only problem would be if he is a commuter as Tucah, but if we try to evict him and we get neither of the previous results we can almost be certain of his role.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:23 AM ET (US)
I'd think an investigation would fail on him too if he is a commuter. So I think it might be best to evict KK, and maybe investigate Darryl?
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franconp
05-27-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
I can't investigate Darryl as it wouldn't allow me to clean my name. I had already proposed town to give me 3 names and I select one of them. I think that's the best way to prove I'm town. I'm leaving the next investigation to town but also giving me a leverage so I don't have to investigate one of us.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:36 AM ET (US)
My reasoning for investigating Darryl would be to clear your name in the sense that Darryl is the current option of being your "informant" into Razmos' chat. But I can see why you'd prefer to go with their plan.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
10:37 AM ET (US)
Was just typing up more thoughts on the Mazre thing and how keeping me out of Razmos group was linked to testing francorp when i maybe got it figured out. I think it's more to do with not wanting me being able to reveal to Razmos' group that Mazre is also a town gossip, as he currently is trying to figure out if francorp can actually investigate or if he got the info from a potential HHA member who is lurking in Razmos' chat as of night 2.
Kingkitty must have a power role one way or the other, but I wonder how likely it is that the map would have two HHA that close together and have them both able to be invited by a town gossip?
Lastly just something that had only now occoured to me, but judging from now my role is called Tommy Nook, The Younger Nephew assuming you guys have your roles named the same way if we are investigated we won't be in the situation that the Mayor/Sleepwalker/Gossip roles were in as our allegiance will be pretty clear.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:39 AM ET (US)
I don't think that the town would have an investigator in the same role as franconp. They probably just have a cop who can just figure out alignment, not roles. Not that that really matters in our case...
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
10:46 AM ET (US)
Didn't even occour to me that the town equivalent could just be to determine alignment.
I know we are not even through the day phase here but not sure on going for king kitty. Think we need to go for one of the vocal players as hopefully that will spark up more discussion in the thread without us needing to get to involved in it ourselves.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
10:56 AM ET (US)
Now that Kalor came out as a Light Sleeper, I'm thinking RNH might be the other option. If we evict KK and investigate RNH, that might be enough to cover our bases and hopefully unearth the partner.
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franconp
05-27-2015
11:03 AM ET (US)
My role name is Timmy Nook, the Older Nephew.
I haven't played much Animal Crossing (almost nothing to be honest, just tried a little bit the 3ds one but it's not my kind of game) so don't know much about the characters but if I'm not mistaken the only cousins in the game are the nephew of Tom Nook, who would be the bad one.
If there are someone who is a regular player of the game (and I'm sure there are) it could lead to trouble.
Ourobolus what's your role name?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:04 AM ET (US)
Tom Nook, the Silent Destroyer. Mwahaha.
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franconp
05-27-2015
11:10 AM ET (US)
I don't think we can do much with that. Even I, who hasn't played the games, knows it can't be good.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:14 AM ET (US)
Whaddaya talkin' about? It's TOTALLY subtle.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:16 AM ET (US)
Ok, so I went through everyone's votes. Not counting the people that have voted for one of us, people who have been suspicious of us, and people that we know (for the most part) their roles, that leaves:
nin1000
RobotNinjaHornets
LunaticLMD
freakzilla149
kingkitty
Tomakasatnav
As possible HHA partners. Of those, RNH is the only one that isn't either NEXT to one of us or is able to be part of the same gossip range.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
11:21 AM ET (US)
Actually, you can add SalvaPot to that list as well - pretty sure his vote for me was a joke. But he still is right next to Hobo.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
12:12 PM ET (US)
The thread has been surprisingly quiet today.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)
I'd actually really like the town to evict Darryl over nin1000. If we roleclaim myself tomorrow as a townie, then nin1000 is definitely going to be evicted tomorrow.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:10 PM ET (US)
That said, I don't think that's going to happen.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:36 PM ET (US)
I'm almost certain that I will investigate Razmos this night phase. It's the only way I can prove I'm town.
Sadly I can't backup your roleclaim. Not at this point at least. Not everyone is convinced I'm town yet so if they doubt me they could vote you out to have proof. And if that happens I'm next in line. Also I can't say your real role as I'm sure they will evict you. If it was something a little more friendly we would have a chance but "the Silent Destroyer"....
I'm sorry but both of you will have to defend for yourself a couple of turns until my position is secured.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:38 PM ET (US)
Why would you investigate Razmos again? You did it once already.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:41 PM ET (US)
I meant Mazre. Unless town gives me a couple of additional targets.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:43 PM ET (US)
Urgh. I'm gonna have to put a vote in for Darryl, I think.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:44 PM ET (US)
Or freakzilla. I gotta try to keep nin1000 alive for one more day.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:44 PM ET (US)
How will you support your vote? They will want to know why you voted him.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:46 PM ET (US)
Freakzilla could be OK. He was voted before. It's a shame 21Gun was replaced. He could have been a good eviction by inactivity.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:47 PM ET (US)
freak: freak has been suspicious for a few days now, and I think nin1000 is just flailing. While I'm not 100% sure he is town, I'm still more suspect of freak.
Darryl: While it's not a definite, it does seem plausible that franconp could be HHA and has an informant in Razmos' private chat, as Haly mentioned. I'm inclined to believe that Razmos/Time/fran as all HHA is unlikely, but I would like to get to the bottom of this.
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franconp
05-27-2015
03:53 PM ET (US)
Of both of them I would go for freakzilla. Salvapot thinks the same. I will also support tomorrow. If we can get a couple of more votes we could get him out.
I don't think you will get a lot of support with Darryl. I think that's a lost cause.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
03:53 PM ET (US)
Yeah, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen today. I'll go for freak.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)
All right...here goes nothing.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)
Welp, I'll see you guys on the other side. Play safe! <3
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:12 PM ET (US)
I think that was a good post. Let's see what happens now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:16 PM ET (US)
Yeah. I think as long as no one picks up on why I am NOT voting for nin1000, I should be ok. But there are a couple smart guys in there.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)
Sweet. We got RNH for now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:25 PM ET (US)
Oh fuck yes.
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)
Also Salvapot, Razmos and Nin. I will support you tonight or tomorrow morning. And I think Hobohodo shouldn't vote unless is necesary. We don't want them to relate our votes.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
Agreed. Hobo needs to abstain or vote for someone else.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:28 PM ET (US)
Every time I wanna go post something ourobolus has just posted! Argjghghgah.
Sorry about my sporadic posting last few days guys, bank holiday weekend followed by going out with the guys from work Tuesday has left me out of action a lot.
Just to see if I'm following along here but ours is gunning for freak today as your convinced that nin will end up gone tomorrow yeah? For very little posts I feel a lot of ideas have been presented so I'm trying to keep it all straight.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
I don't wanna abstain from voting as I've been so quiet today so maybe il throw one down on Nin1000?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:29 PM ET (US)
Yes, that's the idea. I'm hoping we can keep nin on the ropes for tomorrow. I need Fran to be able to investigate me tomorrow night, because If I'm the only one left next to Foshy I am most certainly going to be evicted.
You need to either abstain or vote someone else, and I would do it at a different time than during this bandwagon.
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franconp
05-27-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
You should wait for now and vote when freakzilla eviction is more secure.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:33 PM ET (US)
Yes, definitely hold off.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:39 PM ET (US)
Cheers guys, thanks for giving me the shortened version of everything. xP
Trying to work out how to play the not voting for Freak, mahbe just not wanting to join a bandwagon again after what happened to HippieHobo, or would that seem like I'm trying to explain myself to much. I definetly need to vote for someone though as Mazre will be on people who don't by the looks of things, he already has picked fran up on it for the last day, so it's probably best to make sure you get your vote in at some point,
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
04:50 PM ET (US)
I would stay away from talking about bandwagoning. You just need to make it sound like nin is more suspicious, but maybe not THAT much more. I don't know how to better explain it. Maybe post here first with what you plan on posting?
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
04:55 PM ET (US)
Sounds good, I'll go read through the thread from Day 2 onwards again to try and construct something logical for Nin.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:01 PM ET (US)
7 votes so far...
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Kalor just posted something that you might be able to use...later.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)
Holy shit. Check the Star Wars thread.
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)
I'm still clean of the Star Wars three goings on, what post did the craziness pick up from. I feel o need to go read it during our night phase.
Still going through the thread, it's amazing how long it takes when your considering everything and writing stuff down.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
06:10 PM ET (US)
Oh, you'll know. But yeah, save it for later. It'll take awhile
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Hobohodo
05-27-2015
06:50 PM ET (US)
Ok so hear is what I will probably go with...
So far this phase feels like not much has happened but there is also a lot to sift through. It's odd.
Anyway first of all just some ideas regarding the two substitutes we have had. I'm gonna be inclined to say they are townies purely based on the fact that I find it difficult to believe a HHA member would be completely absent from the game. Obviously this is pure speculation based on how I see things but just wanted to throw that out there, now on to the topic at hand.
So I have read through from Day 2 again and I'm just not feeling Freakazilla as Mafia. In Day 2 he came across as real antagonistic when a vote was placed on him, I imagine a Mafia player would be more subtle about it than he was, I mean revenge voting seems something that just begs to call attention to you. I suppose it could be some double bluff where he comes across as to obvious but I find that hard to believe. Also gotta agree with Kalor, the idea that a Mafia player would decide to not partake in discussion till its down to the wire seems unlikely. With all of us in different time zones it's going to be hard to sway opinion at the last moment. The player who I am more suspicious of right now is...
Evict: Nin1000
It feels like the bulk of suspicion on Freak comes from his Day 2 behaviour, but reading it through again Nin just seems to be acting a little bit more strangely. It's all ready been discussed about how he jumped in to defend Freak, but if I was uncertain of a players alliance and they were also coming across as antagonistic I probably wouldn't back them up unless I had a reason to. Could they be partners somehow? (not to convinced), or maybe Nin was backing him up just to have a 'see I supported a good guy!' example later. There was also some odd behaviour in my mind when he didn't cast a vote against Hippie yesterday. Now admittedly he was in second place, but if a few more players decided to cast a vote for Nin not much was needed to achieve Plurality. A vote for Hippie could have been the difference between life or death for Nin, yet he didn't vote. Where I struggle here is why would Nin not place a vote, maybe you can answer that one for us?
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:05 PM ET (US)
I'm ok with that; but change "evict" to "vote."
Also, depending on what Mazre says, we may have to go evict him. He's one of the more intelligent players and I feel like he's gonna hone in on one of us sooner rather than later.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:05 PM ET (US)
Hobo I would also wait for a few more votes though.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
07:21 PM ET (US)
Shit. I'm worried about this. He's been leading the charge for a while now.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
08:05 PM ET (US)
All right, he's posted. What do you think?
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franconp
05-27-2015
09:13 PM ET (US)
All I'm going to say now is
HOLY SHIT THAT STAR WARS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomorrow I will read anything and post opinions.
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Ourobolus
05-27-2015
09:14 PM ET (US)
Hahahahahahaha yeah
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:30 AM ET (US)
Had to go to bed, was getting up to 1am back when Mazre was posting. Going to go read through it all now and see what he said, got my Nin post waiting for when Freak gains 2 or so more votes.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
06:41 AM ET (US)
Be careful; nin may be getting more votes as well, like Foshy's.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
07:17 AM ET (US)
So, I was thinking...confirming Mazre's role...I think he's probably playing to vote out Hobohodo next round. I get the feeling that his position between two gossips is going to seem suspicious.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:00 AM ET (US)
freakzilla is sitting at 9 votes now, two more to close the day out. I've updated the spreadsheet as well. nin1000 has 4 votes.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:05 AM ET (US)
10 votes. Sorry. If you're going to put your votes in you may want to do so (if you're awake!)
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:48 AM ET (US)
I wonder if we can use Foshy's slip-up against him. The Evict command vs. Vote command, I mean.
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franconp
05-28-2015
08:56 AM ET (US)
I have read everything and voted to evict Freak.
Hobohodo I think you should vote for Nin as I think freak's eviction is sure.
Right now the best way to prove I'm an investigator I have is to investigate Mazre and learn his role name as it will make a lot less suspicious. That's what the town want and I don't want them to doubt me. I think we can find a way to protect Hobo along the way.
I think we should discuss the night eviction: My main target would be Kingkitty who either is our secret partner or have an important role he doesn't want revealed. My other options would be Haly or Launchpad as they are the more vocal.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
08:59 AM ET (US)
As much as I'd love to get rid of Launchpad, he seems to have it out for me. He's been suspicious of me the entire game so far. Evicting him may bring unwanted attention. That said, I think that problem is only going to get worse as the day goes on.
The only thing I worry about with KK is that he might be a commuter, and if he's an odd-day commuter, we'd be unable to evict him tonight.
I don't feel either way about Haly though.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:03 AM ET (US)
Are you going to ask the thread for options on investigation tonight?
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franconp
05-28-2015
09:04 AM ET (US)
So we could evict Haly tonight and leave KK for the next night phase when we are sure we can commute.
I don't want to evict Mazre yet. Other option could be Darryl.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:09 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm fine with leaving Mazre alone for now.
Darryl...maybe. The current thought is that they may think he is your informant, so getting rid of him could be good in that sense. But, he did vote to evict you on the first day, so that could be a counter argument to that.
We do need to start picking off people in the upper-right, but eventually it's going to come down to Hobo. I think to solidify your stance as Town you should eventually out him as Mafia. Not today or tomorrow, but whenever (if) it becomes necessary.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:11 AM ET (US)
To be clear: I don't WANT to get rid of Hobo.
404
Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:11 AM ET (US)
=(
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:12 AM ET (US)
Oh, don't worry, man. I want to keep all of us around as long as possible. Just trying to think of options for a long-term strategy.
406
Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:17 AM ET (US)
Haha yeah I know, and at least if I get taken out you get two evictions the following night phase.
On the subject of investigation fran, you don't actually need to investigate Mazre do you as we know he is a town gossip? Unless you think he could have a different role name for some reason and want to be sure.
407
franconp
05-28-2015
09:20 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I'm sorry Hobo but I don't think it would be a good idea to put a false role in you. I don't think I can use that trick much and, I'm sad to say this but, your eviction it may be beneficial to us by your role.
I don't want to say I investigated him unless I'm asked by town to do it. We shouldn't rush into it. If I'm asked, I'm sorry, but I will have to say the truth. I think it's for the best.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:22 AM ET (US)
Oh, I wasn't saying that we should "investigate" Hobo tonight - save that for later.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:23 AM ET (US)
Oh, I get what you're saying. Never mind. Yeah, if asked then it wouldn't be a good idea to lie on that one.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:26 AM ET (US)
So fran, are you actually going to investigate Mazre? Or are you just going to claim Town Gossip? To be safe you should probably actually investigate...
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franconp
05-28-2015
09:28 AM ET (US)
I need to be completely sure about Mazre. If he has a slightly different role name I'm out. Without a doubt. And it could also make trouble for Hobo has they will try to find out how I knew he was a town gossip and it will lead to his neighbours.
I don't want to leave it to chance so it would be best if I investigate him.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:30 AM ET (US)
K. Just making sure.
Then I think we're down to Haly or Darryl for the eviction, right? Hobo, what are your thoughts?
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
09:51 AM ET (US)
Yeah I just checked through the forum to make sure if he ever called himself a town gossip but he never did. You guys are probably right in that we should play it safe, if we cocked up here then he will know that either me or king kitty would be conversing with fran and by bridging the groups he would probably suspect me. Maybe his role has been named slightly different and it is why he is playing funny with when he wants me invited to Razmos.
On the subject of outing me in full agreement on not giving me a false role. However I think if you take ideas from other players in later phases then you should stick to the 'give me 3 names and I'll randomly choose 1' idea. It means that even if my name is thrown in to consideration you have two outs if we think it can be played off. Also like you said before, if we were acting under the idea that you are a town investigator and had to investigate the one player that was agreed on and it turned out to be the doctor you wouldn't want to reveal that, so having the three potentials should be an easy enough sell.
On kingkitty, I don't particularly think he is our secret partner. In Mazre's chat in Night 2 he mentioned how he would like the roomies to be evicted just out of curiosity, and Mazre also posted about how he wanted to try and push for the roomies again in Day 2. Of course this is before your role claim, but I just don't see our secret partner ever posting about being okay to evict the roomies. Lastly in the chat he actually role claimed as a normal town and said he wouldn't share his role name as if me or Mazre were mafia we could then use that to our advantage. This could just be why he doesn't want the role title for regular villagers our in the open were you to investigate him.
As for evictions out of those two I would probably tend to Haly as I feel we should go for someone vocal this night. We are considering Darryl as they think he could be fran's informant in Razmos' chat right?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
Huh...ok, then I'm convinced KK isn't the partner. I'm still thinking RNH.
As for Darryl, that's my thinking, though if franconp investigating Mazre clears him, then we don't need to worry about Darryl though. Although, I think someone in the thread mentioned that Darryl had a special role, so it might be worth it to take him out.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:02 AM ET (US)
Yes, I will try to buy all the time I can but if they really suspect you and want me to investigate you it will be for the best that I don't lie.
If KK isn't our secret partner maybe he is a the commuter (or something more important). I say we go for Haly this night phase and KK the next one.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:04 AM ET (US)
I'm ok with that. My only hangup with Haly, looking back through the thread, is that he says he trusts you (at least a bit). Not enough for me to say no, but just a thought. I do wonder what Darryl's role is though.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:05 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I think the same of RNH.
As for Darryl I also think it was implied he has a special role.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:22 AM ET (US)
Oh when Razmos said some information had been revealed in his chat you mean?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:24 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I think. Launchpad mentions in post 854 that Razmos said Darryl had a special role, but I can't seem to find that info earlier in the thread.
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)
Yes, we already know Razmos and Timeaisis role so the only one left is Darryl. If Hobo is invited to that chat we could get the info too.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:31 AM ET (US)
I had actually completely glossed over how he directly points a finger at me and you in that post. Unfortunately I feel like whenever we take him out if people look back at his posts we will be suspicious. Now whilst he is the only player really pushing it, every time the gossips have been brought up he will always mention the idea that a HHA is in the area. If he keeps this up if we take him out now or in X days time its likely people will pick up on that straight off. He is dangerous for us right now thats for sure.
Makes me wonder if our eviction should stay clear of any gossip targets tonight, make it seem like the HHA aren't worried about those theories of his.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:32 AM ET (US)
Hey fran, do you know the official title of the regular townies then?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:33 AM ET (US)
Yeah, like I said, he's kinda honing in on some of us.
I'm fine with evicting Haly then.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
10:33 AM ET (US)
I believe it's "Ordinary Villager?"
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franconp
05-28-2015
10:43 AM ET (US)
Ordinary Villager. It was also Coppanuva's role and there you have the description. (post 688)
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:45 AM ET (US)
Yeah, if we did go Haly tonight then we will need to keep our eyes on Launchpad going forward. I guess it depends on wether Mazre being revealed as a Town Gossip/Variant of that tomorrow will make him home in on me even more, or if the reveal of a third gossip will make him ease off the idea. Still hoping that something can be done to single out that Salvapot will be the only player in the top right who can't be invited to a nighttime chat.
At least he is yet to have started a succsesful bandwagon, be it on us or an other player.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
10:47 AM ET (US)
Oh of course, forgot it had been revealed as common knowledge in the thread anyway. Guess that can't be why king kitty is still concerned about his role being potentially revealed.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
11:12 AM ET (US)
I wish someone would just do the last damn vote.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
11:47 AM ET (US)
Right well I won't be there as the day ends as I am about to have no signal. Hope nothing craZy happens in the last 45 mins!
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franconp
05-28-2015
12:30 PM ET (US)
And we are safe again!!!
431
Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:32 PM ET (US)
Whew. That day was really stressful for me. Can't believe my gambit paid off.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:40 PM ET (US)
Lol, he finally posted.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
12:52 PM ET (US)
C'mon...doctor or something good...c'mon...
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
01:53 PM ET (US)
Dammit. Ordinary Villager.
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franconp
05-28-2015
01:56 PM ET (US)
Fuck. We are out of luck lately.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
01:57 PM ET (US)
Hey, Hobo - was freak in Mazre's chat?
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
02:05 PM ET (US)
All right, I won't do it yet in case we have any arguments against it later, but we still looking at Haly for eviction and Mazre for investigation, right?
As for the next day phase, I think I'm going to lean on either Salvapot or nin1000, depending on how it goes.
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franconp
05-28-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)
I'm OK with Haly and Mazre.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
Nah freak didn't get in the chat, and in the main thread I'm sure he said he didn't plan on using his ability today so for whatever reason he didn't want to invite him in.
Investigating Mazre is fine, we need to build up trust for francorp. Admitdly I would kind of like to be rid of Launchpad but I feel that's just leading the more observant players, which I feel Haly is one of, straight to us. So out of the discussed candidates I'd be fine with Haly.
440
Ourobolus
05-28-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)
Yeah, we need to figure out an eventual plan for Launchpad. He's gunning for both of us. But Haly should be fine for now.
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Hobohodo
05-28-2015
03:11 PM ET (US)
Seems like we are pretty decided then.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
03:19 PM ET (US)
Looks that way. I'll send the PM some time tomorrow.
Anyway, I've updated the spreadsheet with everything I think we know up to this point.
I'm pretty confident that RNH is our partner, so we need to hope that tomorrow it is safe to investigate him.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)
Foshy finally posted. He still thinks nin1000 is HHA, but he's asking what my role is. I'm trying to decide if I just say "town" and be vague, or just straight up say "Ordinary Villager."
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franconp
05-28-2015
05:40 PM ET (US)
Say you are an ordinary villager. If I can I will use that to protect you.
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Ourobolus
05-28-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)
K. Will do.
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Hobohodo
05-29-2015
06:00 AM ET (US)
I know we are still investigating to be certain but king kitty has posted about how Mazres official title is obviously a Town Gossip, hopefully Mazre will see this as king kitty trying to pry into his roll name seeing as this could be an important play for us tomorrow.
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ourobolus
05-29-2015
07:36 AM ET (US)
Hmm. That's certainly interesting. Maybe that will put the spotlight on kingkitty, but who knows...
448
franconp
05-29-2015
10:44 AM ET (US)
I think Mazre will lie to him, so I can't use that information.
449
ourobolus
05-29-2015
11:16 AM ET (US)
Oh no, definitely still investigate Mazre, I think it just might be a good coincidence and mazre may suspect KK over Hobo.
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ourobolus
05-29-2015
02:10 PM ET (US)
All right, I sent in the notice to evict Haly.
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Hobohodo
05-30-2015
06:20 PM ET (US)
Now we wait...
452
Ourobolus
05-30-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
Can I just say, I am not looking forward to the next day phase. Hobo and I are gonna have to put some work in.
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Hobohodo
05-30-2015
07:29 PM ET (US)
Outwardly Mazre doesn't actually seem to suspicious of me right now. It's all ready been brought up in our chat that I will be a bridge between two groups and for that reason may be able to relay info between Mazre's chat and Razmos chat, if he finds that fact suspicious he is keeping it to himself.
He also said that he didn't want me in Razmos' chat tonight to minimise the chance of info leaking in case francorp was Mafia with an accomplice in Razmos' chat. Now hopefully as fran can demonstrate that he has investigated two players from two separate groups who had no contact this will gain Mazre's trust for him, at least as much as you can in mafia.
Launchpad is my biggest question mark, gonna have to see how he reacts to most likely finding out I'm a bridge tomorrow.
454
franconp
05-30-2015
08:45 PM ET (US)
Did Mazre said what his role name is?
I have already investigated him but want to know if he shared the info.
455
Hobohodo
05-31-2015
09:34 AM ET (US)
Nah, closest he has gotten is saying how there are two confirmed gossips and that we know about his group.
456
Hobohodo
05-31-2015
09:35 AM ET (US)
We as in Me, Mazre and Kingkitty
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
02:04 PM ET (US)
Shit. Haly might have been the commuter.
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franconp
05-31-2015
02:08 PM ET (US)
Or maybe some sort of tough guy and needs 2 hits to evict.
Mazre is a town gossip.
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franconp
05-31-2015
02:13 PM ET (US)
There was activity so there's a posibility he can be a commuter.
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
03:00 PM ET (US)
You would have also caused activity with you investigating Mazre.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:15 PM ET (US)
Stop looking at me being a bridge D=
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:22 PM ET (US)
Ok so I can't post in the thread without acknowledging that I am a bridge, now Razmos and Launchpad are jumping on the idea that I can gain 'lots of info' and seeing that as a reason I could be there. Right now I'm feeling I need to downplay the info I could actually obtain, as truthfully I feel they are overstating it.
For example our chat had been pretty hesitant to share stuff. All I've really gained is knowledge that Mazre was a Town Gossip and Kingkitty suspects the roomies, that's it. Maybe it's different with Razmos and everyone felt more willing to chat, but ours has been pretty quiet.
Thoughts?
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
04:27 PM ET (US)
Foshy's hasn't been useful, either. I don't really have a good answer for your bridge problem yet, though... :/
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franconp
05-31-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)
You can say you are a bridge but your position may be to comunicate both chats. You would be a hha target so they can isolate the chats.
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franconp
05-31-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)
You should make them think you are useful to town.
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Ourobolus
05-31-2015
04:37 PM ET (US)
Good call.
Sorry, my brain is fried right now. Was out in the DC hot sun doing a scavenger hunt for the past 4 hours.
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Hobohodo
05-31-2015
04:38 PM ET (US)
Good idea Fran, when I'm done watching my shows I'll write something up. Don't wanna jump in to quick really as it will come across as defensive.
468
franconp
06-01-2015
09:08 AM ET (US)
Who was the one who changed Haly to evicted in the spreadsheet? You jinxed it.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:19 AM ET (US)
Me. That's all me. ;_;
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:25 AM ET (US)
So I can't imagine that Haly was protected. There was no reason in the thread that would even make anyone think we would have targeted him. So unless he is a commuter too, or a Tough Guy, maybe he's a Sleepwalker?
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:31 AM ET (US)
Actually, a sleepwalker triggers every night, usually, so since Kalor didn't have any activity on Night 2, that's probably not it. Hrm.
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franconp
06-01-2015
09:32 AM ET (US)
That would be the same as a commuter no? I think he may be the commuter and he was the activity Kalor detected the first night. If this is true now we don't have a clue what's Kingkitty's role.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:33 AM ET (US)
A Commuter leaves town, while a sleepwalker randomly visits another player.
But yeah, that begs the question - who is the commuter? It's gotta be either Haly or KK (right?), or there's another role at play there.
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franconp
06-01-2015
09:55 AM ET (US)
I'm leaning to believe that Haly is the commuter and KK has another role which we don't know.
If that's true we are really unlucky as we didn't target KK thinking he may be the commuter.
Right now, and this can change during the day phase, we have the same 2 options for eviction: We can try to evict Haly and see why he wasn't evicted the last phase or we can target KK and see what's his role is.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
09:57 AM ET (US)
I'm up for evicting Haly again, but both of them are risky.
I think that tonight may be a good time to investigate RNH, since I think the day may end up with you being asked to investigate me.
476
franconp
06-01-2015
10:00 AM ET (US)
Why do you think that?
I think is more likely to ask me to investigate Hobo.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
10:01 AM ET (US)
That's also a possibility. I just know Launchpad still thinks I am a viable candidate to investigate.
Though I'm hoping that the discussion around SalvaPot and Darryl as day evictions sticks. That would be great.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:00 PM ET (US)
Ok, so Kalor says that he can only detect the actions of the people around him, not actions performed ON them. So he wouldn't have seen fran's investigation. So yeah, there's definitely an odd commuter there, and it could be Haly.
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:17 PM ET (US)
There's something interesting about the description Kalor gave of his role.
He says he can know when someone acts at night within his scope, but only when his neighbors act not when someone acts on them. If that is true and his role is supposed to help town that would mean one of his neighbours should be HHA so he can be useful. If not he wouldn't be much help to town and we know the positions of the roles aren't random (kark said it) so he must have that power and position for some cause.
As we already know neither of us is within range so his role can't be dangerous to us but that would also mean one of his neighbours should be our secret partner.
Let's see the names: Haly, RNH, Mazre and Kingkitty. We know Mazre is the town Gossip and he is not our partner (remember that if I investigate our partner or we try to evict him he would be invited to the chat). We already tried to evict Haly and we couldn't but we also get any info about he been our secret partner so it would rule out him too.
That leaves RNH and Kingkitty. Hobo said he doesn't think Hobo was our secret partner has he wanted to evict Ultron and me. Also I don't think he may be our secret partner as, if he was, he could just told Hobo in their chat and we could evict Mazre in the night phase so he doesn't says anything. Also it doesn't make any sense to have 2 HHA in the same night chat. We already have our chat.
So it all seems that RNH should be our secret partner.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:18 PM ET (US)
Yep. That's what I've been saying!
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:30 PM ET (US)
I also said the same since the first day.
I PM Kark asking if we tried to evict someone and we couldn't and he is our partner he would be a full fledged partner anyway. That will allow us to be sure about Haly.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:31 PM ET (US)
I also sent a PM earlier today asking Kark if my evict notice did indeed go through, and it was just a matter of it being blocked/missing, rather than him not seeing my PM. Just in case.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:32 PM ET (US)
And I know, I'm just giving you a hard time.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)
Kark confirms he did receive my evict, so something stopped Haly from being evicted.
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franconp
06-01-2015
12:44 PM ET (US)
And he confirmed that if the eviction didn't go through our lost partner wouldn't be full fledget.
So if Haly was protected he may be our secret partner. It's a long shot and I still think RNH will be our lost partner but it's good to know.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:45 PM ET (US)
Ok. Well if we end up evicting Haly and investigating RNH, we can cover both bases.
487
franconp
06-01-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)
Yeah, but I'm not to sure to do it this night phase.
I don't know if I can investigate RNH yet. It could still be dangerous.
488
Ourobolus
06-01-2015
12:54 PM ET (US)
We shouldn't make up our minds until the night phase anyway. It's still early. That said, why would it be dangerous?
Though the one time I'd say it'd be the safest is if the thread elects to evict me or Hobo. Then you can investigate RNH without consequence.
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franconp
06-01-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)
I think it is still dangerous because there are some people doubting about me. If I said someone have a certain role they could try to evict him to prove what I said was true.
If I do it with a townie it could be beneficial to us, but if I tried with any of us it could be very bad.
We should wait and see what people think of my roleclaim first. I also think the same, that would be the safer time.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
01:12 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I meant to say "if the thread elects for you to investigate me or hobo."
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franconp
06-01-2015
05:35 PM ET (US)
Good call on Toma.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:02 PM ET (US)
Sorry about not posting guys, fell asleep last night and then spent the day with the girlfriend.
Now considering how to post, maybe just s little 'yeah I'm a bridge, weird' huh' post and th move on? The discussion isn't on me being a bridge right now after all and I don't wanna bring I back to me.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)
I'm not at my computer now, but with the votes flying, if someone wants to update the spreadsheet, I'd appreciate it. If not, I'll take care of it tomorrow morning.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)
Hobo, if wait for now. They seem to be attacking each other.
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:15 PM ET (US)
I'd*
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:16 PM ET (US)
If you want to post later, at this point I wouldn't even bring up the bridge.
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franconp
06-01-2015
06:28 PM ET (US)
Updated the spreadsheet.
Hobo I also think you shouldn't say anything unless they bring that up. You can post (you don't want a prod) but make it something harmless.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:34 PM ET (US)
Yeah since I posted that everyone went at it.
Will ignore the gossip situation for now..
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Ourobolus
06-01-2015
06:36 PM ET (US)
I'm actually hoping that they evict Foshy a little bit since I revealed my role in his chat. They still think I haven't done so at all.
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Hobohodo
06-01-2015
06:40 PM ET (US)
As in revealed ordinary villager right?
Or we going for a super dramatic 'your times up froshy I'm TOM NOOK THE SILENT DESTROYER!!!' kinda thing
