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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 21, 2015 15:11:30 GMT -8
I keep expecting a next page button at the bottom of the page for some reason.
I think Sorian being suspicious of Splinter and GC for non-ordinary posts is kind of odd, especially when others have offered an explanation for it. But when everyone is throwing around votes at the start, there isn't much else to go on.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 21, 2015 15:13:06 GMT -8
I also think "for reasons I won't disclose" is a bit strange when it's Day 1. What additional information could you have and why withhold it? Are you hoping they'd self-incriminate?
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Post by Sorian on Oct 21, 2015 15:26:19 GMT -8
I also think "for reasons I won't disclose" is a bit strange when it's Day 1. What additional information could you have and why withhold it? Are you hoping they'd self-incriminate? What I was talking about there is why I find Splinter more suspicious than GC and I don't have extra information. I'm just not disclosing what I think about what each person said because it's easy for them to use what I say as their own defense. As for me finding them suspicious. Well, that's exactly what they are. Jokes or not, they know people will read into what they say and I know most of you well enough to know its not always a joke. |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Oct 21, 2015 18:42:37 GMT -8
Vote: Gorlak
I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on the proceedings thus far, compa. Why were you so alarmed by Splinter's so obviously facetious roleclaim?
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Post by Swamped on Oct 21, 2015 18:46:58 GMT -8
I've got eyes on Gorlak and Hyperactivity at the moment. Again, not enough to place a vote yet but definite suspicions. What have they done that caught your eye? Also, lol at Pop's vote for Kalor. I'm about to do the same thing: VOTE: Chuckling Splinter
OMGUS Splinter. I actually don't find him that suspicious, but I want to make him suffer for a little while, and I need to keep my promise! Besides my votes on D1 are usually very fluid, but by the end I will be voting for the one who is the most suspect to me, fear not. |
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Post by Swamped on Oct 21, 2015 18:47:36 GMT -8
Vote: Gorlak I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on the proceedings thus far, compa. Why were you so alarmed by Splinter's so obviously facetious roleclaim? Ah, and I see she already answered a part of my question! |
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Post by Sorian on Oct 21, 2015 19:52:20 GMT -8
Vote: Gorlak I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on the proceedings thus far, compa. Why were you so alarmed by Splinter's so obviously facetious roleclaim? Your vote is not in bolded. It's also dangerous to just assume someone is being facetious. |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Oct 21, 2015 20:03:18 GMT -8
Vote: Gorlak I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on the proceedings thus far, compa. Why were you so alarmed by Splinter's so obviously facetious roleclaim? Your vote is not in bolded. It's also dangerous to just assume someone is being facetious. Very well. VOTE: GorlakLet's play abogado del diablo and assume that Splinter's not joking about being immune to night kills. Does FOXHOUND have any reason to be concerned by it? Perhaps in the future, but not immediately, no. If anything it just confirms that he'll be an easier lynch in the future. Now, should Philanthropy be concerned by it? Well, of course. This presents to them an insurmountable obstacle that can only be removed via lynch, lest they waste a night testing this supposed invulnerability. So their first move is to instill the town with doubt for this individual so that we'll be more inclined to lynch them should they prove problematic for la mafia in the future. I'm not saying this is definitive proof that Gorlak is Philanthropy, compa, nor am I saying this clears Splinter of all doubt. Perhaps I am just reading too far into a kneejerk reaction, but with what little information we have right now we need to latch onto every scrap that might lead us closer to the truth. A revolution starts with a single voice, after all. |
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Post by Sorian on Oct 21, 2015 20:26:44 GMT -8
Splinter is not the good target for today, I agree. My issue with Splinter's claim is that it is 100% useless to town and only protects him as an individual. A proper NK immune would try to bait a NK, not shoo them all away in fear. We've learned that claiming bulletproof down the line is usually a scum tell but what if scum does it early? Are we more likely to believe them? Based on responses so far, I think yes. But like I said, this is a suspicious nugget of info to hold on to but not a reason for lynch today. Beating real money that he is neutral trying to scare off an accidental NK |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Oct 21, 2015 20:34:57 GMT -8
We'll just have to keep an eye on Splinter to make sure he doesn't try and pull anything cómico. When the time comes, I'll pull the trigger myself.
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Post by palmer on Oct 21, 2015 21:50:46 GMT -8
Sorry everyone, im in chicago for a wedding through sunday night so i dont have access to anything but my phone for reading/posting, and im mostly too busy for even that. Ill do what i can, but just as an example, this tapatalk app im posting through doesnt show any formatting. Im not even sure how to bold a vote on here. Ill swap to browser version and try again after this post.
As always, i think people should have a vote in at all times, and we should absolutely not have a bunch of role claims and vote swaps in the last hour or whatever.
For now, i intend to vote either splinter for the odd counter productive rc, or cabot cause omgus. This is very possibly my only post this day phase cause rehearsal and other family shit tomorrow. Im very sorry i cant commit my normal effort until monday.
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Post by palmer on Oct 21, 2015 21:57:58 GMT -8
vote: cabot
Im going to be so hungover tomorrow.
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Post by cabot on Oct 21, 2015 23:51:52 GMT -8
Come on Coppa, you should know GC by now. He plays by his own rules when it comes to claiming. Still, wonder why Cabot decided to bring attention to that. It sounds like that Psycho Mantis guy would be on Foxhound's side, from a quick wiki search. Of course, GC could also just be having some fun with the flavor and none of this discussion matters in the end, or maybe he was baiting. I'll leave it to GC to answer or not. Since we're here, staring deeply into each other's eyes, wondering the world of each other, I did find it curious why you decided to defend GC so early off the bat. We're all experienced here, we don't need much help when someone questions us. Early alliances seems a risky strategy, unless you know something we don't. I'll just expand on Sorian's thought that it is worth noting these little 'throwaway' lines and claims or whatever. People who seem to be intent on writing them off as 'facetious' are being too accommodating in my opinion. Sure, it's obviously not strong evidence but discarding it completely is the wrong way to go about it. I say this as a person who has used early posts in the past to hint at things. It's Day 1. It's about the best time to play with coy statements that may be linked to something you know. I'm not saying this is definitive proof that Gorlak is Philanthropy, compa, nor am I saying this clears Splinter of all doubt. Perhaps I am just reading too far into a kneejerk reaction, but with what little information we have right now we need to latch onto every scrap that might lead us closer to the truth. A revolution starts with a single voice, after all. This is odd, you go after Gorlak for being suspicious of a Splinter statement you completely disregard, but you're alright with going after him which you admit may be nothing as well. I don't disagree though, I guess, like me, you're interested by the rather aggressive way Gorlak has gone about it. I've got my eyes on him. |
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 21, 2015 23:53:41 GMT -8
Vote: Gorlak I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on the proceedings thus far, compa. Why were you so alarmed by Splinter's so obviously facetious roleclaim? Well, it isn't "so obviously facetious" to me. It's a single sentence at a start of his post and my impression was different from yours. Obviously I took several posters at face value and missed the joking attitude if there is any. A claim this early is simply not helpful in any way... |
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Post by Roytheone on Oct 22, 2015 0:43:55 GMT -8
Some more thoughts of me about the GC and splinter situation:
The way I see it, those claims are pretty clearly not meant to be taken 100% seriously, I doubt anyone of us will now go: "well, GC is psycho mantis and Splinter is NK immune, better not vote for them!" However, the "joke" claims aren't 100% ridiculous either. They don't claim "5 shot lighting rod that can also day kill three times and make people talk backwards" or something obviously fake as that. It is defiantly possible that there is a psycho mantis role that has a power and that there is a role that is NK immune to some degree. Now, while nobody will base their vote solely on these claims, the fact that they are actually quite realistic claims could actually influence them. It is day 1, if the vote goes between 2 persons, it will most likely be based on pretty weak evidence and gut feelings. In that situation, someone may go "well, the claims of GC/splinter are probably jokes, but just in case they are actually real, I will vote for the other person instead of GC/splinter, it's not like we actually have any really good leads anyway, so better not take that small risk".
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Post by Hyperactivity on Oct 22, 2015 2:54:04 GMT -8
Some more thoughts of me about the GC and splinter situation: The way I see it, those claims are pretty clearly not meant to be taken 100% seriously, I doubt anyone of us will now go: "well, GC is psycho mantis and Splinter is NK immune, better not vote for them!" However, the "joke" claims aren't 100% ridiculous either. They don't claim "5 shot lighting rod that can also day kill three times and make people talk backwards" or something obviously fake as that. It is defiantly possible that there is a psycho mantis role that has a power and that there is a role that is NK immune to some degree. Now, while nobody will base their vote solely on these claims, the fact that they are actually quite realistic claims could actually influence them. It is day 1, if the vote goes between 2 persons, it will most likely be based on pretty weak evidence and gut feelings. In that situation, someone may go "well, the claims of GC/splinter are probably jokes, but just in case they are actually real, I will vote for the other person instead of GC/splinter, it's not like we actually have any really good leads anyway, so better not take that small risk". Will be sort of serious now, new day and stuff right? This debate is useless. Who knows if they were being serious or not. We can argue in circles and circles but at the end of the day, a goodD1 is supposed to be one where we can look back to and look for contradictory statements and attitudes. If we spend the whole day in this pointless WIFOM that easily could have been a joke, we're going nowhere. Granted, given that it's day 1, we might end up lynching one of those two if you guys would really like, but I personally consider it useless to continue to argue about it |
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 2:55:14 GMT -8
Nonsense, no one has claimed/appeared as doctor yet, that's when the burning happens on GAF D1
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Post by Hyperactivity on Oct 22, 2015 3:01:29 GMT -8
Nonsense, no one has claimed/appeared as doctor yet, that's when the burning happens on GAF D1 There's still N1 and N2 to kill the doctor besides, ROTY ended the curse,playing as Tucah no less, remember? |
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Post by Roytheone on Oct 22, 2015 3:10:48 GMT -8
Some more thoughts of me about the GC and splinter situation: The way I see it, those claims are pretty clearly not meant to be taken 100% seriously, I doubt anyone of us will now go: "well, GC is psycho mantis and Splinter is NK immune, better not vote for them!" However, the "joke" claims aren't 100% ridiculous either. They don't claim "5 shot lighting rod that can also day kill three times and make people talk backwards" or something obviously fake as that. It is defiantly possible that there is a psycho mantis role that has a power and that there is a role that is NK immune to some degree. Now, while nobody will base their vote solely on these claims, the fact that they are actually quite realistic claims could actually influence them. It is day 1, if the vote goes between 2 persons, it will most likely be based on pretty weak evidence and gut feelings. In that situation, someone may go "well, the claims of GC/splinter are probably jokes, but just in case they are actually real, I will vote for the other person instead of GC/splinter, it's not like we actually have any really good leads anyway, so better not take that small risk". Will be sort of serious now, new day and stuff right? This debate is useless. Who knows if they were being serious or not. We can argue in circles and circles but at the end of the day, a goodD1 is supposed to be one where we can look back to and look for contradictory statements and attitudes. If we spend the whole day in this pointless WIFOM that easily could have been a joke, we're going nowhere. Granted, given that it's day 1, we might end up lynching one of those two if you guys would really like, but I personally consider it useless to continue to argue about it I sort of agree that this debate isn't the best subject ever, but I don't think it is useless. I mean, it did got people talking and giving their opinion about this subject, something that is always good to have during day 1, much better than people just posting votes based on RNG, that gives us nothing. Some debate is always better than none (Unless the debate has the risk of outing one of our PR, that would be worse than no debate). But if you have a better subject to talk about, I am all ears. |
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 3:18:06 GMT -8
This is my hot list right now, where I'm checking them out hard.
4. Coppanuva
- Not too much has been said from dear Coppa yet, bring about the inquisitions!
9. Splinter
- Aside from his post with the NK Claim, mild critiquing of Kalor's voting choice and voting swamped for well.....reasons he's not done much else.
10. Gorlak
- He's pulled a squidy and is pretty shit hot out the fucking gate. While I don't think this is particularly suspicious, he's got my attention at least.
15. GreatCharleston
- Wanting more posts.
16. Pop-o-Matic - Has checked in but hasn't really offered anything, OMGUS votes are fair, but I mean only for a short time. Get the vote thrown around man, apply some pressure!
with that, VOTE: Pop-o-Matic
It's time for a fresh vote!
This is my list of people who I'd like to post more, but have legit reasons / is within previous playstyle. I'll post to put it out in the open though, keep my thoughts available.
13. Lone_Prodigy
- L_P should post more however, L_P's playstyle in previous games matches here.
6. Kalor
- Again, Kalor doesn't post often but they are usually pretty good when it happens. This is me nudging for more Tactical Kalor Action.
14. Palmer
- Wedding until Sunday, legit reason.
11. Fireblend
- Family stuff, legit reason.
2. Matt
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 3:20:26 GMT -8
Balls forgot about Matt's comment!
Matt is quiet. I don't know much about him because I've not played with him before. Hopefully he'll post something on our debate this morning.
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 22, 2015 3:27:16 GMT -8
Just so you guys are aware, AFAIK as I know this board doesn't have the 30-second ninja-edit rule that GAF does. So just make a new post if you're thinking about getting an edit in. :P
EDIT: Never mind. Forgot you guys can't edit anyway. :P
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 3:28:35 GMT -8
I wasn't sure about mentioning this because it's a side issue, but what the hell. It's D1, might as well stimulate some discussion:
The win condition made me think that the neutral role is anti-town by nature, and thinking about a possible link to the theme, I came up with a Grey Fox neutral killing role.
In my head: This would be pretty similar mechanically to the Archer role, win condition would perhaps be killing a set number of foxhound members?
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 3:31:41 GMT -8
I wasn't sure about mentioning this because it's a side issue, but what the hell. It's D1, might as well stimulate some discussion: The win condition made me think that the neutral role is anti-town by nature, and thinking about a possible link to the theme, I came up with a Grey Fox neutral killing role. In my head: This would be pretty similar mechanically to the Archer role, win condition would perhaps be killing a set number of foxhound members? The win condition made me think that a theoretical neutral role is anti-town by nature, and thinking about a possible link to the theme, I came up with a Grey Fox neutral killing role. Yikes, fixed because this is all my conjecture. |
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Post by Roytheone on Oct 22, 2015 3:33:08 GMT -8
Hey Ourob, just a small question: should we put peoples current screen name in the vote command, or their name that is used in the OP? Or will both work? for example, will vote: fireblend and vote: firewoof both be accepted?
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Post by Hyperactivity on Oct 22, 2015 3:38:53 GMT -8
All this talk of neutrals
And n one even brings up the possibility of a 2nd town (XD)
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Post by cabot on Oct 22, 2015 3:40:59 GMT -8
I guess I just did that based on numbers, a multi-faction game with 16 players seems like a stretch.
This is MGS though, unfortunately anything is possible.
Damn it, Kojima
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 22, 2015 4:06:53 GMT -8
Hey Ourob, just a small question: should we put peoples current screen name in the vote command, or their name that is used in the OP? Or will both work? for example, will vote: fireblend and vote: firewoof both be accepted? It's kinda annoying - but if you can remember their original name, use that. If you make a goof, I'll figure it out. |
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Post by Splinter on Oct 22, 2015 4:19:42 GMT -8
So many people calling me facetious... I have feelings guys  |
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Post by Splinter on Oct 22, 2015 4:27:02 GMT -8
So many people calling me facetious... I have feelings guys Ok this one was facetious |
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