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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:28:50 GMT -8
It's clear I'm dying, the only choice is how soon.
Tim's plan was sound, if you lynch me at day end then I have the chance to do a night action in the afterlife as a potential scum/town. The town PRs are of varying usefulness, so in your mind would you risk someone that might be scum on a day lynch?
You wait for the night lynch and I can't do shit, roy confirmed.
Frankly cornb has been rubbing me the wrong way for a while now, but it's more of a gut feeling than with real evidence.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:29:12 GMT -8
Right, and how do we know that the undead weren't granted their own PR... you?
How do we know you can even get bestows? Maybe these inconsistencies are from you trying to avoid getting tripped up by the undead. After all it is easier to pretend that you've never gotten a PR than it is to be caught in a lie where you say you've got one and no one will back it up.
You suddenly claim a switcher. Dude, we are never going to know if you switched anyone. There is no proof that any of our 4-5 switchers today didn't pull that out of their ass. You can fake it so easily tomorrow and we won't know.
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Post by cornb on Jan 25, 2016 12:30:17 GMT -8
I suppose the people I'm most suspicious of now are Dusk, Mazre, and Cabot. Mazre voted for Dusk. Cabot and Dusk haven't voted. Dusk is trying to throw Cabot to the wolves. Eh. Vote: Dusk SoldierWhat's your conclusion here, we're all scum? Conclusion was more, it's already been decided you'll be night killed by KK. So switching the vote to you doesn't matter. And Dusk and Mazre are about equally "he may be scum" to me. Maybe Dusk moreso. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:31:14 GMT -8
I'll vote dusk today though. His logic is very weak, he only really seemed to tune in after the scum numbers started dwindling, and while he has contributed, Most of his ideas and plans seem counter-intuitive.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:32:01 GMT -8
When I said undead in that first paragraph, I'm referring to mafia. In the second paragraph, I'm referring to limbo land
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:33:08 GMT -8
Right, and how do we know that the undead weren't granted their own PR... you? How do we know you can even get bestows? Maybe these inconsistencies are from you trying to avoid getting tripped up by the undead. After all it is easier to pretend that you've never gotten a PR than it is to be caught in a lie where you say you've got one and no one will back it up. You suddenly claim a switcher. Dude, we are never going to know if you switched anyone. There is no proof that any of our 4-5 switchers today didn't pull that out of their ass. You can fake it so easily tomorrow and we won't know. Possible, but the truth is far simpler, I had no ability the previous night, got a switcher ability today. Overthinking is natural in this game, but it is overthinking. You'll find out one way or the other. My true worry is if Splinter gives me a flip I don't expect. Then I'll be pretty angry. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:35:13 GMT -8
What's your conclusion here, we're all scum? Conclusion was more, it's already been decided you'll be night killed by KK. So switching the vote to you doesn't matter. And Dusk and Mazre are about equally "he may be scum" to me. Maybe Dusk moreso. You had the logic and deduction to guess the mechanics of this game but you don't seem to grasp some core concepts this late. KK can't kill me tonight, I'll be lynched by the afterlife, he can kill me tomorrow night. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:37:28 GMT -8
That is the most complicated scenario possible! It means we have had someone targeting you with a PR 2 days in a row, since that is how many days these inconsistencies have been going. We only know of people in death who can do things similar to this. Your scenario means limbo has scum in it that are going undetected.
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:38:51 GMT -8
That or island scum have gotten stronger.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:39:18 GMT -8
Why do you even want to be nightkilled rather than daykilled? How is this town? Where does this help us?
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:42:11 GMT -8
Well I don't actually want to be killed, Darryl.
It's pretty fucking obvious that option isnt going to happen.
Tim + roy came up with the night lynch solution, which if I was the townie not on the chopping block, would be the most attractive option because it stops this guy getting in a night action.
What's not town about that?
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:42:52 GMT -8
I'll trust the confirmed town and Tim who has read me correctly since very early, he suggested it of his own accord, and frankly seems pretty useless to bring up as scum.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:44:28 GMT -8
But why would you push for that option yourself as a way of lynching Dusk. If you're town, you'll always have a night PR. You have to be curious about what it is.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:46:20 GMT -8
This scenario also involves leaving Dusk alive in limbo. You have to know they won't do that. This just seems like a bunch of bs. You're acting like a deceitful martyr.
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:48:14 GMT -8
I've lost most curiosity to my spirit role after seeing how mostly rubbish they've been in the big picture of things and the multiple PRs that do the same thing.
I push for that option because if you're honestly hunting scum, then it's the safest thing you could do.
I honestly don't think my PR will be anything new or useful, you can thank splinter and this game so far for that outlook.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 25, 2016 12:50:23 GMT -8
My problem with the night lynch option is that it messes with Cabot's flip.
If he's telling the truth, he should flip tracker/switcher
If he's lying, he should flip tracker/switcher/tracker
But if for whatever reason, Cabot's theory about delayed roles is right and he receives the tracker tonight, then him flipping tracker/switcher/tracker tomorrow morning doesn't tell us if he was lying or not.
So is it worth trading off that information for preventing him from having a night action?
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 25, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -8
This scenario also involves leaving Dusk alive in limbo. You have to know they won't do that. This just seems like a bunch of bs. You're acting like a deceitful martyr. Regardless of what order they die in, the earliest either of them can be banished is the limbo day vote tomorrow. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:52:58 GMT -8
Ugh, what a mess.
I'll also remind you the discussion of keeping me on the island because I was a scum trying to be lynched was on the table, thats where the night lynch idea came in.
I don't want to sit around as dead weight. Kill me one way or the other.
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:55:21 GMT -8
Lynching me here should confirm the bestows being compromised though. Without margin for error.
should *looks at splinter*
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 12:56:14 GMT -8
I'd probably say that information is likely more important than any potential PR I have
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:56:51 GMT -8
So it'd be better to kill cabot now because we can see if he flips with the proper role powers? Then limbo can chain kill dusk on their discretion
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 12:59:31 GMT -8
Vote: Cabot
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 25, 2016 13:01:06 GMT -8
Cabot has never been head of lynching anyways. The last two lynches were basically following my hunches. If anything I've thought he was scummy because he's refused to take hard stances. Scum overuse their knowledge advantage more often than not. So him being shy about lynching last minute when it is too late to change anything is going to seem very scummy if it turns out we lynched town By spearheaded, all I meant was that he's the type of player that passionately tries to sway the town to his side. So far, since he's voted with the majority of the town lynching, that means he's actively worked to get out everyone we've lynched. I know that he wasn't literally the first person to throw those players under the bus. I was just throwing out a feeler because I wanted to see if anyone on the island thought he was scum. But it seems at this point that most think he is town. Even when he was in danger of being lynched it felt more like a policy lynch rather than people trying to snuff out scum. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 13:04:55 GMT -8
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Post by cornb on Jan 25, 2016 13:05:15 GMT -8
Conclusion was more, it's already been decided you'll be night killed by KK. So switching the vote to you doesn't matter. And Dusk and Mazre are about equally "he may be scum" to me. Maybe Dusk moreso. You had the logic and deduction to guess the mechanics of this game but you don't seem to grasp some core concepts this late. That's correct. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 25, 2016 13:07:39 GMT -8
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 13:10:57 GMT -8
Indeed Coppa was an Confounding Spirit. Each night, he could switch two islanders. Scum aligned. Interestingly, it specifically mentions that the night vote kill is not affected by this, but doesn't mention other spirit powers, like bestows. So it is likely this switch DID in fact also switched bestows around. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 25, 2016 13:12:05 GMT -8
With how close the votes were, the remaining scum are probably on Terra then
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 25, 2016 13:12:37 GMT -8
Terrabyte20xx 6
CzarTim 21931
Ty4on 22146
kingkitty 22218
CornBro 22291
Cabot 22307
Coppanuva 22324
Well, assuming he's town
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Post by Bombay on Jan 25, 2016 13:14:33 GMT -8
Terrabyte20xx 6 CzarTim 21931 Ty4on 22146 kingkitty 22218 CornBro 22291 Cabot 22307 Coppanuva 22324 Well, assuming he's town So as a stand out, we have CB, Czar, and Cabot. |
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