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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 10:11:38 GMT -8
Meant doc, I blame lack of sleep. Also man if I have ever seen a weirder flub lol. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 10:22:37 GMT -8
I do agree that switching has more of a negative utility than protects but neither has positive utility in this game from what I've seen so far. Soul Destroy appears to be a spirit action since Roy is immune so protects don't do much presumably since they don't stop spirit actions. From the standpoint of positive utility, since both powers being presented are equal, I don't really think deciding on the potential power being handed out is worth much. Certainly not as important as it was to allow Xam to get investigates out there. Do also keep in mind that the only time we've seen soul destroy happen is when a scum has been down here for the night phase. I do think one of Terra and Coppa is scum so if we choose wrong, KK will clean up our mess but there is a chance we see soul destroy take an extra person out tomorrow.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 10:30:14 GMT -8
I do agree that switching has more of a negative utility than protects but neither has positive utility in this game from what I've seen so far. Soul Destroy appears to be a spirit action since Roy is immune so protects don't do much presumably since they don't stop spirit actions. From the standpoint of positive utility, since both powers being presented are equal, I don't really think deciding on the potential power being handed out is worth much. Certainly not as important as it was to allow Xam to get investigates out there. Do also keep in mind that the only time we've seen soul destroy happen is when a scum has been down here for the night phase. I do think one of Terra and Coppa is scum so if we choose wrong, KK will clean up our mess but there is a chance we see soul destroy take an extra person out tomorrow.No pressure or anything. :p |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 10:50:44 GMT -8
I do agree that switching has more of a negative utility than protects but neither has positive utility in this game from what I've seen so far. Soul Destroy appears to be a spirit action since Roy is immune so protects don't do much presumably since they don't stop spirit actions. From the standpoint of positive utility, since both powers being presented are equal, I don't really think deciding on the potential power being handed out is worth much. Certainly not as important as it was to allow Xam to get investigates out there. Do also keep in mind that the only time we've seen soul destroy happen is when a scum has been down here for the night phase. I do think one of Terra and Coppa is scum so if we choose wrong, KK will clean up our mess but there is a chance we see soul destroy take an extra person out tomorrow.No pressure or anything.  Just laying it on the table A cooperative KK has been fantastic for town (bordering on unfair towards scum IMO) but we do need to remember that they can still be dangerous if we get passive. |
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jan 25, 2016 11:01:26 GMT -8
Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 11:09:44 GMT -8
Okay, so, I went through both Terra and Coppa's post history in the main thread and noted a few things. Mainly that you guys are both Scummy.
Coppa:
-CoppaxDusk is my new OTP. Seriously, Coppa can't stop talking about this guy.
-No real scum hunting at all, unless you count Dusk who was a 'activity prod' vote for 2 Days straight.
-Using Day 1 activity he considers a #Scumtell unless it's being used to show a contradiction of later Day Phases. Then proceeded to use Day 1 activity against Dusk when he finally asks him out for his head.
-Avoided the Ridli situation until prodded. Even then he kept his opinions against him rather reserved, saying that he was 'kinda Scummy' and things were 'a little weird' but never voted for him. Instead he focused on his one true love, Dusk, instead of voting for 'maybe Scummy' Ridli and later admits that he didn't think Dusk was that Scummy at all. So why not vote for Ridli?
-Votes for Dusk to get some activity out of him, finally succeeded and backs off his vote, but admits that Dusk's answers were unsatisfactory ( although how exactly is never stated ). He then votes for Ty4on much later and says he will not move his vote unless his answers are satisfactory. Why does Dusk get special treatment?
Coppa, I would like your current read on Dusk and Cabot. Also, a read on Terra.
Terra:
-Actually has more posts than Coppa, surprisingly little to comment on though.
-Just a lot of passive commentating.
-Is suspicious of Nin and Trigger; however, he votes for Trigger citing that he is textbook Scum over Nin. Fairly weak reason tbh
-Doesn't reveal his Afterlife PR even after the self-meditate action. Both Coppa and Cabot find this Scummy.
-Weak vote on Xam, claims it is because of his lack of activity. The runner-up vote was Squidy ( no reason given )
-"I don't know about Coppa, but I can tell you that if you think there's still 2 scum, you best look elsewhere." Can you explain this for me, Terra?
Also a current read on Coppa, Dusk, and Cabot please.
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 25, 2016 11:11:57 GMT -8
Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum. Eh, I feel your pain. Honestly, as someone who came late to the AL the way this mechanic worked out is kinda frustrating because it pretty quickly became "If you weren't here originally you're dead in a day", which isn't that fun. I mean you can contribute ideas for the phase which is fun and helpful and all (and it would have been a lot more interesting had we been less successful at our hunt), but as a townie who came in here and realized participating is ultimately futile... it's just kinda frustrating, but that's more of a meta-gaming issue than anything (and really I think it could have been more exciting had we not established such a successful strategy early on). |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 11:12:48 GMT -8
No pressure or anything. :p Just laying it on the table :P A cooperative KK has been fantastic for town (bordering on unfair towards scum IMO) but we do need to remember that they can still be dangerous if we get passive. No no, I understand lol. I was just giving you a hard time. Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum. Giving out powers isn't the only way to prove you are Town. Your words speak just as loud as your actions do. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 11:12:57 GMT -8
Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum. Apparently, you can't even get the powers to their destination anyway |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 11:15:31 GMT -8
Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum. Eh, I feel your pain. Honestly, as someone who came late to the AL the way this mechanic worked out is kinda frustrating because it pretty quickly became "If you weren't here originally you're dead in a day", which isn't that fun. I mean you can contribute ideas for the phase which is fun and helpful and all (and it would have been a lot more interesting had we been less successful at our hunt), but as a townie who came in here and realized participating is ultimately futile... it's just kinda frustrating, but that's more of a meta-gaming issue than anything (and really I think it could have been more exciting had we not established such a successful strategy early on). I feel really bad because the constant scum banishes from both Trigger and the afterlife really dwindled the scum team quick and their main advantage this game seemed to be there numbers (get majority on the island OR the afterlife and they win) but with them getting ejected so quickly, that majority doesn't seem possible and now it's more of a holdout game for the last one or two scum. I do agree that it's a shame that the meta at this point is kill the two new people, rise, repeat. I'm waiting for them to spice it up and banish me as well. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 11:20:50 GMT -8
I think if L_P and Blarg hadn't been caught so early this thread would be very, very different. The whole meta of 'just keep voting out the new folks' really isn't fun but at the same time there isn't much variation that can be done at this point. All we could do is instead of voting out one of the new people we could axe Sorian but 1 out of the 2 new people would still die anyway. :(
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 25, 2016 11:31:25 GMT -8
Oh man it's maybe my last reads of the game! I'll be checking stuff near deadline but I don't really expect my vote to change...
Anyhow, we'll start:
Dusk- Mai husbando. He hasn't been playing particularly pro-town this whole game. Locking in a vote early on (or not voting at all) doesn't seem like it's particularly pro-town and I'm not really a fan of it at all. In a game literally about voting people to kill them, he doesn't. I don't see it as helpful to town at all. I outlined my major problems with his play this game, and this day hasn't changed them at all. He didn't offer anything to the whole switcher debacle here, and he didn't really contribute anything. Could very easily be scum trying to avoid getting voted on and continuing to not contribute. I'd imagine early on it would have been very hard for scum to think how to contribute to the thread without giving anything away (given that they knew about the Afterlife via LP/Blarg). I'm guessing Dusk wasn't sure how to contribute and quickly became quiet, then realized he had to maintain that persona later on. I'm reading scum here.
Cabot- I'm not sure where I stand on him. It's weird that he's not receiving roles at all, mainly because there've been so many tossed on him. I don't see how scum denying it is advantageous to them (I mean really, he'd be going against like 3 people at this point which, purely by numbers, aren't all scum). Any smart scum would realize lying against that many people is going to be caught easily. Cabot's not dumb. I'm not sold on him being scum tbh.
Terra- If there's scum between me and him, it's him. I'm not entirely sold on him being scum though (I only voted him out because I know I'm not scum, and I didn't want to die yet). I do think we should banish him today though, on my previous post. I know doctor isn't a particularly useful role here, but I still think switcher is more harmful to us than a useless role. At worst, we get another day like this where both the islanders and afterlife gain nothing and take potshots at whoever was a major target the previous day. We're near enough to endgame that I don't think we can afford that. I realize both Terra and I are going to die before tomorrow's day phase, so it's become a question of minimizing the damage caused to that investigative period, and doing that means Terra's out.
To that end (and because I'll be on mobile and posting less efficiently near deadline), I want to get this out there:
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
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Post by Splinter on Jan 25, 2016 11:37:58 GMT -8
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 11:42:57 GMT -8
Thanks Coppa!
And thank you for reminding me that the Day ends in a few hours. Because I totally didn't forget and wasn't going to not be here or anything *cough*
Now I wait for Terra and his reply. In the meantime I want to hear from Magnum and Karu and who they are leaning towards and why.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 11:50:43 GMT -8
Sorian, who was it you Bestowed to prove you were Town? It was Scrafty and someone else right?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 11:55:47 GMT -8
Sorian, who was it you Bestowed to prove you were Town? It was Scrafty and someone else right? Crimson and Cornb. Both confirmed during the previous day phase. Bestowing slipped my mind over the weekend so I got RNG'd to Roy and cabot which I guess means I threw them both away because I don't know what's up with cabot. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 12:01:22 GMT -8
Has everyone posted this day phase yet? I get the feeling some people are missing. Which isn't a huge problem right now, but with the afterlife shrinking it will become a huge problem very soon, especially during the night kill vote. I'm busy either way, but honestly - in addition the Power Mash in the main thread overwhelmes me not only a bit. Which makes me feel bad, one for *Splinter,b ut also for you guys because any possible contributions by me can't be as thoroughly as needed. While the first few days of figuring out what's going on is great, i personally probably lean more in the Heist-direction as far as game structure goes. They made friggin' tables regarding the switcher-situation over there, lol. :-( No problem, I think everyone feels that way about multiple switchers, it sucks. Hell, that table was from me and I really needed to make that one to have any idea what was going on exactly, and I still am not 100 % clear. The night kill vote is more important anyway, since that one could actually lose us the game. Man this sucks, Can't give out powers to prove my innocence because they harm town, can't not do it because that makes me look like scum. Eh, I feel your pain. Honestly, as someone who came late to the AL the way this mechanic worked out is kinda frustrating because it pretty quickly became "If you weren't here originally you're dead in a day", which isn't that fun. I mean you can contribute ideas for the phase which is fun and helpful and all (and it would have been a lot more interesting had we been less successful at our hunt), but as a townie who came in here and realized participating is ultimately futile... it's just kinda frustrating, but that's more of a meta-gaming issue than anything (and really I think it could have been more exciting had we not established such a successful strategy early on). I don't disagree this kinda sucks, but with the way the game is designed (the afterlife keeps shrinking and scum could suicide to get in here), I think that if we did anything else, scum would have relatively easily overrun the afterlife and won the game. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 12:03:24 GMT -8
Sorian, who was it you Bestowed to prove you were Town? It was Scrafty and someone else right? Crimson and Cornb. Both confirmed during the previous day phase. Bestowing slipped my mind over the weekend so I got RNG'd to Roy and cabot which I guess means I threw them both away because I don't know what's up with cabot. Why the hell did I think it was Scrafty? But...that kills the one idea I had so, uh disregard this. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 12:06:06 GMT -8
Crimson and Cornb. Both confirmed during the previous day phase. Bestowing slipped my mind over the weekend so I got RNG'd to Roy and cabot which I guess means I threw them both away because I don't know what's up with cabot. Why the hell did I think it was Scrafty? But...that kills the one idea I had so, uh disregard this. I've been generally trustful of Scrafty for most of the game, if that's what you were remembering. She has seemed to check out lately though I'm not sure if there is anything to glean there. This is a longer game so it's only natural that activity will dip and rise. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 12:06:28 GMT -8
Sorian, who was it you Bestowed to prove you were Town? It was Scrafty and someone else right? Crimson and Cornb. Both confirmed during the previous day phase. Bestowing slipped my mind over the weekend so I got RNG'd to Roy and cabot which I guess means I threw them both away because I don't know what's up with cabot.And this is the reason I am still not 100 % convinced about you. It's quite convenient. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 12:12:39 GMT -8
Crimson and Cornb. Both confirmed during the previous day phase. Bestowing slipped my mind over the weekend so I got RNG'd to Roy and cabot which I guess means I threw them both away because I don't know what's up with cabot.And this is the reason I am still not 100 % convinced about you. It's quite convenient. I'm actually kind of glad it happened, I don't know that I would have bestowed to cabot anyway (though he was higher on my list so maybe) but it inadvertently proved that he isn't receiving powers or is delayed from receiving powers. Something special is going on there. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 12:17:52 GMT -8
Hmm, that's odd. Why does Darryl assume that it's going to be Terra's flip?
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 12:21:38 GMT -8
Hmm, that's odd. Why does Darryl assume that it's going to be Terra's flip? I say we surprise him and vote Coppa instead. ;D To be honest though I have no idea. Seems like a really weird thing to assume. Did he already forget Coppa is here as well? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 25, 2016 12:24:02 GMT -8
Hmm, that's odd. Why does Darryl assume that it's going to be Terra's flip? I say we surprise him and vote Coppa instead. ;D To be honest though I have no idea. Seems like a really weird thing to assume. Did he already forget Coppa is here as well? Not sure, I don't think Roy indicated one way or the other which way we'd been voting (which hasn't been much considering the current 1-1 vote). cabot is also starting to get mad at the futility of his situation. Does the living thread want us to kill him tonight? Is that the plan? |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 12:25:34 GMT -8
I say we surprise him and vote Coppa instead. ;D To be honest though I have no idea. Seems like a really weird thing to assume. Did he already forget Coppa is here as well? Not sure, I don't think Roy indicated one way or the other which way we'd been voting (which hasn't been much considering the current 1-1 vote). cabot is also starting to get mad at the futility of his situation. Does the living thread want us to kill him tonight? Is that the plan?Yes. Tim suggested we kill him at Night so just in case he is Scum he ends up skipping the Night phase entirely and won't be able to use his 'Scum ability' before being voted out. |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 25, 2016 12:33:33 GMT -8
30 minutes left, vote is still at 1-1 Coppa/Terra
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 12:34:15 GMT -8
"My true worry is if Splinter gives me a flip I don't expect. Then I'll be pretty angry."
Outsider round 2 let's go!
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jan 25, 2016 12:35:02 GMT -8
If killing me will help town do it. But like I said earlier, prepare for dejavu
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Post by Splinter on Jan 25, 2016 12:35:08 GMT -8
Soo tempting
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 25, 2016 12:36:09 GMT -8
If killing me will help town do it. But like I said earlier, prepare for dejavu I'm already getting some L_P dejavu right now. It's a 1-1 tie, it can go either way right now. |
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