Also, if someone has a kill power, be extremely carefull. Don't give it to cabot, ty or anyone else that could want to kill me.

Everyone just pick a favorite and hope they don't screw up.

Well, if your favorite hates me, maybe reconsider

Also, yeah, don't target me with all your bestows, at the contrary even. remember : I basically outed the existence of this mechanic in an earlier post today. So anyone getting bestowed will be more likely to believe me!

Yeah, L_P likely said that Roy was the medium and I doubt they want that information being widely available.

Can you forgive me?

Hahahaha

Welcome to the REAL game Ridli

I'm double thinking a vote on Sorian. I mean, do we really want him in here? Actually, do we know for a fact that the player we kill joins us here, or do they get ejected from the game completely?

Yeah, I didn't count on scum being able to communicate between alive and dead members

Let's hope someone manages to protect me somehow.

Would be kinda weird though. Hey, you can post in the dead thread! But if you do scum knows that and you are almost certainly dead! That's a weird role to have, it's basically suicide.

I wish there was some way we could show the main thread that L_P flipped Scum, I think it would at least give them a starting point to go off of. 

Regardless, these are the only things that stuck out to me after going through his posts. I do think it's worth looking into who defended L_P when his name was brought up in the main thread for being inactive, might give some clues. In the meantime I still think it's worth looking at L_P's Top list because I wouldn't be surprised if he was lying about most or all of those names. Why? He read Ridli as Scum a few minutes before he flipped Town and L_P knew full well that he was going to flip that way, meaning he is more-than-likely completely lying about the other reads.

This does actually soften my read on Scrafty, something I'm still not sure about. Her actions today have gotten better and she seems much more Town than Day 1 but I wouldn't put her anywhere near my Top Town players. But the fact that L_P called her Scum...

Xam is a interesting read as well. "His posts are all over the place" which is influenced by his playstyle and that means he is Town?? Weird leap in logic there, most people assume his playstyle is weird and therefore people get a null read on him.

The Top Island Scum is also a fun list, namely because the Top 3 are all low activity posters and easy targets to call Scum. Terra/Trigger I can't comment on much due to their nearly non-existent presence in the game and Nin, well, actually he is playing weird so I kind of agree there. Sorian being on that list isn't much of a surprise given how dividing his existence in the game seems to be. I don't clear him because of his name on that list, but I feel better guessing he is a Neutral.

All-in-all:
My Scum read on Xam has gone up
I'll lighten up on Scrafty I guess. Still want her lynched tho
Terra/Trigger are probably inactive Townies
Nin = ?????
Sorian is a Neutral with a serious agenda.

Hush, you. :p

I mean give them a 100%, doubt-free way to know. If you go in there tomorrow with guns blazing and claim Medium with access to a secret Spectator thread that's also a Mafia game and that they lynched L_P who flipped Scum I doubt that many would believe you. 

Even if you hint that we bestowed certain powers on people, not everyone is going to get one and those people won't have any reason to believe you. Those who did get a power might not even step up either in fear they will reveal that they got something.

Never!

But yeah, claiming will be a dangerous thing, let's at least hope I am not forced to do it and not because I ended up dead

(honestly, outside of you guys voting and the island lynch, do we have any idea how the island deaths will work?)

Anyway, going to bed, have this totally not creepy owl GIF :

Okay so, L_P's Role PM, let's dissect it together as a class.



Off the bat it's pretty clear L_P was Scum in the main thread as well as this one thanks to the "You are still aligned with the Evil Spirits" line. I know Blarg brought it up but the emphasis on 'still aligned' makes me think some people will change alignment. However, I think people can only change from Town -> Scum and not vice versa because if a Scum became a Townie all they would have to do is out their ex-partners and we kill each one off at Night and bring them here to banish. Sounds too easy imo.

Speaking of which, the win condition. "Kill everyone to destroy the Volcano God (and win)". The main thing here is we now know how Scum has to win, aka by killing everyone on the Island. We also now have clarification on Town's win condition, something a few people were confused on. "Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God." as opposed to 'kill' or 'remove' all Evil Spirits. In the 'Important Rules' in the OP it mentions how our job here is to 'Banish (lynch) on player from the Afterlife', meaning Town can't win by simply killing all living Scum, we need to Banish them here in order to win.

Also notice it says "Kill everyone" in the Scum win condition, not just 'Kill Islanders' or 'Kill Town'. Neutral confirmation?

Now regarding the Scum Team. All Scum members have access to the faction Night Kill ( pretty standard ) but that kill can only target Afterlife players. This means the one standard Scum Kill per Night is only to kill us here, meaning one of us will die after this Night phase. Balance-wise this restriction makes sense; Scum win by killing all living players, Town win by Banishing all Evil Spirits. If Scum could kill living players with their standard kill then they would be able to win much faster by simply focusing on their Win condition and not worrying about here. 

Scum Chat, I feel, is a given considering there is nothing in the PM saying he was cut-off from his team. This means L_P had complete access to his Scum group and was probably relaying info to them, meaning they know about Roy, our plan, etc. :(

Now for a theory:

Scum team isn't as big as we think it is and all Scum have an extra ability. 

My guess is 4 or 5 Scum MAX. Why? Because if a Scum flips in the main thread and comes here I think they keep their alignment, meaning we simply have to banish them out when we get a chance. With such a large player count this would allow a smaller Scum team to skate by and not get lynched as Town rips each other apart. Remember, Scum win when they kill everyone, not banish everyone. All they have to do is skate by and let Town die for them to win, nothing more. 

This is why I also think each Scum has extra abilities, like the GOAT Scum Team in HP Mafia. Every single member of that team had up to 2 abilities for them to use at their discretion and I think it's the same here, something to help a smaller team win in a big game. I also believe these abilities are only focused on attacking living Townies, not us. This would be balanced by having their main Faction Kill be Afterlife-only as they only have to keep us at bay long enough for them to win and this is probably why those of us here can only affect living players because we need to keep them alive.

Okay, that's all for today. Class dismissed!

Ok, LPs flip makes me feel better about this theory, but its still a bit insane.

Sorian is literally the Volcano. This is a bit meta-gamey but they had to get this game to finish before the next season starts, right? I think we're on a timer. Sorian will automatically win at Day X, UNLESS town or scum meet their win condition. I think its why he's trying so hard to stifle some speculation.

I absolutely think we need to kill him and then banish him to test the overall theory.

When I read the bolded part, I was like... ouuuhhhh shit... and your second post spills it out. It's a weird theory, for sure. Mhhhm.

I'm still catching up myself, but the most urgent thing is sending your role action and deciding who we're killing.  You'll have more time to get reads on THIS chat tomorrow.