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Post by Roytheone on Dec 29, 2015 14:10:43 GMT -8
Gafia wasn't ready for making sick reads with no PRs. This wake up call that some people rely too heavily on investigators  Not to diminish scum team though, they are obviously playing excellently. Though if Splinter is scum then lol he got Droplet good. Getting 6 out of 7 of our scum team found mainly because of pr in hp was so frustrating  |
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 29, 2015 14:13:40 GMT -8
Gafia wasn't ready for making sick reads with no PRs. This wake up call that some people rely too heavily on investigators Not to diminish scum team though, they are obviously playing excellently. Though if Splinter is scum then lol he got Droplet good. I'd vote for more games like this for practice. Red is a microcosm of so many mislynches. They stick out, lynch them. |
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Post by cornb on Dec 29, 2015 14:13:52 GMT -8
Really I don't think the last of investigators is what is killing town.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 29, 2015 14:14:56 GMT -8
Gafia wasn't ready for making sick reads with no PRs. This wake up call that some people rely too heavily on investigators Not to diminish scum team though, they are obviously playing excellently. Though if Splinter is scum then lol he got Droplet good. I'd vote for more games like this for practice. Red is a microcosm of so many mislynches. They stick out, lynch them. There should be a pure vanilla game during every x.5 window. It's definitely a good training mechanism for new and vet players. |
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Post by yn on Dec 29, 2015 14:18:04 GMT -8
Gafia wasn't ready for making sick reads with no PRs. This wake up call that some people rely too heavily on investigators :P Not to diminish scum team though, they are obviously playing excellently. Though if Splinter is scum then lol he got Droplet good. Getting 6 out of 7 of our scum team found mainly because of pr in hp was so frustrating :( theres boat load of inves roles in there though. i think i counted it once :< it was brutal. there was dumbledore (alignment cop - town), rita (alignment cop - neutral), sorting hat (alignment cop by item delivery success - town), snape (spy - town), hermione (role cop - town), luna lovegood (seeker of item / soft cop - town), and scum had bellatrix (name cop) it was a game full with inves roles :3 thats why HP scum team was my favourite scum team :> you guys fought so hard ! the heist scum team isn't a slouch either though <3 (this is for when you guys get here, you traitorous thieves, you) |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 29, 2015 14:18:34 GMT -8
Gafia wasn't ready for making sick reads with no PRs. This wake up call that some people rely too heavily on investigators Not to diminish scum team though, they are obviously playing excellently. Though if Splinter is scum then lol he got Droplet good. I'd vote for more games like this for practice. Red is a microcosm of so many mislynches. They stick out, lynch them. Indeed, I think most scum plays like me: being relatively low key and not sticking out. |
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Post by redhood on Dec 29, 2015 14:20:48 GMT -8
Hello everyone I finally made it!
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Post by redhood on Dec 29, 2015 14:22:27 GMT -8
I hope someone continues lynch a thief with honor in my honor. It was such a hit the first time.
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 29, 2015 14:23:52 GMT -8
Getting 6 out of 7 of our scum team found mainly because of pr in hp was so frustrating theres boat load of inves roles in there though. i think i counted it once :< it was brutal. there was dumbledore (alignment cop - town), rita (alignment cop - neutral), sorting hat (alignment cop by item delivery success - town), snape (spy - town), hermione (role cop - town), luna lovegood (seeker of item / soft cop - town), and scum had bellatrix (name cop) it was a game full with inves roles :3 thats why HP scum team was my favourite scum team :> you guys fought so hard ! the heist scum team isn't a slouch either though <3 (this is for when you guys get here, you traitorous thieves, you) Yeah, plus one town and one neural role blocker that could find scum, and we had very little counters against them, plus town had that role that got random role pm's that could make millers and godfathers completely useless I just hope future game designers learned from the mistakes of the HP game. |
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Post by cornb on Dec 29, 2015 15:59:39 GMT -8
That sounds umm.... huh
Also Flux really took the wind out of my sails this game. Arguing with him was just so.... draining.
Though he at least tried to start up discussion. If he is town, I can't fault him. Town's been too quiet this game.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 29, 2015 16:55:53 GMT -8
Draining is a good way to putting it, but I really can't point out why. I feel something just didn't click with town's communication in general. I think it's from D1's "don't trust anyone" which prevented people from discussing the events as much as in previous games. Those discussions can be nice ways of scum reading someone or getting a different perspective if they're town. Attacks aren't bad, but there are so many that the effect is tiny. Look at how low the pressure on Ouro really was despite multiple people attacking him. The holiday season might have something to do with it. It's hard to discuss when no one is there to reply. Indeed, I think most scum plays like me: being relatively low key and not sticking out. This. That's kinda why I self voted. I wanted to do something out of the ordinary because we had no power roles that could. Super flawed and poorly thought out, but I still think craziness is in towns interest because they aren't under pressure to behave a certain way. |
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Post by redhood on Dec 29, 2015 16:56:59 GMT -8
Yeah the town has been like a family of mouses at the movie theater. I think flux is town though, he has a fiery passion for justice!
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Post by yn on Dec 29, 2015 17:11:26 GMT -8
i've been watching and i think it's super interesting how difficult it is to communicate well as townies
ty, cornie, thanks again for signing up to play, btw <3 i can tell it was draining, at times, and i appreciate you guys putting as much as you could!
i agree though, town has been quiet ... i was actually worried that this game was too much an ask for the community :x but a spider is curious. after all, the main season games were apparently speedy this season (i've heard this feedback a few times now) and there were some concerns about power roles bonanza, so i was really curious about how the community would fare in a pure vanilla set-up.
anyway, much obliged for giving it a go, you guys :D
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 29, 2015 17:23:30 GMT -8
NP. I wouldn't hesitate to sign up for the next PR less game. Can't be that hard to crack the code.
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Post by CzarTim on Dec 29, 2015 17:53:28 GMT -8
I agree we should do one of these games once per mid season. I feel like this community is addicted to the "oh shit" crazy moments and the straight scum hunting is boring to the point people don't want to participate. It makes me feel like some are playing for the wrong reasons.
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Post by Kawl on Dec 29, 2015 18:01:48 GMT -8
I might recommend looking at the set up that mafia scum has for their noob games. It's a pretty simple matrix that limits the crazyness and results in set ups they've found pretty balanced through lots of playing. Although they are set up for slightly smaller games (~9-10 players from my understanding). I think absolutely no power roles falls on the side of mafia a bit much on line when you can't read people's actual expressions and tease out if someone is lying or not. I'd be done for one of those simpler games or for another total vanilla game. I do think that the holidays had a pretty sizable affect on town participation this game.
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Post by cornb on Dec 29, 2015 19:06:45 GMT -8
Draining is a good way to putting it, but I really can't point out why. I feel something just didn't click with town's communication in general. I think it's from D1's "don't trust anyone" which prevented people from discussing the events as much as in previous games. Those discussions can be nice ways of scum reading someone or getting a different perspective if they're town. Attacks aren't bad, but there are so many that the effect is tiny. Look at how low the pressure on Ouro really was despite multiple people attacking him. The holiday season might have something to do with it. It's hard to discuss when no one is there to reply. Indeed, I think most scum plays like me: being relatively low key and not sticking out. This. That's kinda why I self voted. I wanted to do something out of the ordinary because we had no power roles that could. Super flawed and poorly thought out, but I still think craziness is in towns interest because they aren't under pressure to behave a certain way. It is actually insane. Ouro was called out by what seems like multiple people. Each day. And yet nothing is sticking. Ouro is the only one I'm near certain is scum. Sawneeks is a guess, based on my general dislike of her play. The third is very hard for me to figure out. |
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Post by cornb on Dec 29, 2015 19:09:48 GMT -8
I agree we should do one of these games once per mid season. I feel like this community is addicted to the "oh shit" crazy moments and the straight scum hunting is boring to the point people don't want to participate. It makes me feel like some are playing for the wrong reasons. Hmm I can't lie. I did find this game more "boring." I certainly put in less effort, but I feel I've been putting in less effort ever since Dangan. Mostly because more effort doesn't mean more correct. It just might possibly convince townies to follow you. But I had to compete with squidy and flux. Flux in particular was just a pain to deal with, so I stopped engaging and posted dismissive one off replies. I think the worst thing was just having 3 straight days of wrong lynches, no clues, and a divided town full of stubborn "leaders" like Flux and squid. |
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Post by yn on Dec 29, 2015 19:15:48 GMT -8
I agree we should do one of these games once per mid season. I feel like this community is addicted to the "oh shit" crazy moments and the straight scum hunting is boring to the point people don't want to participate. It makes me feel like some are playing for the wrong reasons. Hmm I can't lie. I did find this game more "boring." I certainly put in less effort, but I feel I've been putting in less effort ever since Dangan. Mostly because more effort doesn't mean more correct. It just might possibly convince townies to follow you. But I had to compete with squidy and flux. Flux in particular was just a pain to deal with, so I stopped engaging and posted dismissive one off replies. I think the worst thing was just having 3 straight days of wrong lynches, no clues, and a divided town full of stubborn "leaders" like Flux and squid. cornie, bolded part, just wanna clarify cornie, do you mean you can't play mafia without any inves roles? i appreciate the honesty too :D i really was genuinely curious how the community would react to this game. i wont come down on any feedbacks! if you found it boring then it is good for us as community and also for potential future game runners to know that. of course, i understand a row of mislynches are VERY hard to stomach. i was also feeling demoralized at the end of Star Wars and at the early days of Archer when town was performing badly, following false leaders' leads, and just having to swallow one mislynch after another X____X Kawl, that's a great suggestion! I will look into this newbie-friendly tried-and-true set ups :> thanks! |
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Post by cornb on Dec 30, 2015 2:47:01 GMT -8
Hmm I can't lie. I did find this game more "boring." I certainly put in less effort, but I feel I've been putting in less effort ever since Dangan. Mostly because more effort doesn't mean more correct. It just might possibly convince townies to follow you. But I had to compete with squidy and flux. Flux in particular was just a pain to deal with, so I stopped engaging and posted dismissive one off replies. I think the worst thing was just having 3 straight days of wrong lynches, no clues, and a divided town full of stubborn "leaders" like Flux and squid. cornie, bolded part, just wanna clarify cornie, do you mean you can't play mafia without any inves roles? i appreciate the honesty too  i really was genuinely curious how the community would react to this game. i wont come down on any feedbacks! if you found it boring then it is good for us as community and also for potential future game runners to know that. of course, i understand a row of mislynches are VERY hard to stomach. i was also feeling demoralized at the end of Star Wars and at the early days of Archer when town was performing badly, following false leaders' leads, and just having to swallow one mislynch after another X____X Kawl, that's a great suggestion! I will look into this newbie-friendly tried-and-true set ups :> thanks! No. Its more like... if we had even one successful lynch we'd have something to go off of. Mafia has been very smart with their kills, and town is being led by some stubborn people who either can't convince anyone else of their correctness, or are on the wrong track. These mislynches aren't actually leading people closer to scum it seems. |
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Post by cornb on Dec 30, 2015 2:58:47 GMT -8
And for what it is worth, I would try this setup again. I think a lot of the players that did though, wouldn't. And that might be for the best. The thread was super fucking dead at many points. And my attempts to jumpstart discussion never seemed to work.
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 30, 2015 3:05:58 GMT -8
I agree we should do one of these games once per mid season. I feel like this community is addicted to the "oh shit" crazy moments and the straight scum hunting is boring to the point people don't want to participate. It makes me feel like some are playing for the wrong reasons. Well, if you like the crazy moments and find the real scum hunting boring, than that is fine. The most important reason to play these games is to have fun, and if that is the most fun to you than that is still the right reason to play IMO. |
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Post by yn on Dec 30, 2015 3:27:00 GMT -8
And for what it is worth, I would try this setup again. I think a lot of the players that did though, wouldn't. And that might be for the best. The thread was super fucking dead at many points. And my attempts to jumpstart discussion never seemed to work. yeah it was quiet at some parts but the good news is that some people actually told me they'd play again :> ty, kawl and reddie said they appreciated the experience even if it was a bit rough and would actually try similar set-up again? XD manly men~ (and from the sounds of it, czar, also ..... even though them traitors didn't even let him on the train this time) (lol) royroy, i agree. it's a social game and people should be having fun, but i also think it's important to establish a baseline on what people are joining games for. the community is still very young, and we're figuring out what kind of games are desired and works, and what aren't really sought for. S4 has been pretty ... enlightening, of sorts, you know what i mean :> |
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Post by cabot on Dec 30, 2015 8:57:03 GMT -8
I'd probably play again if I didn't have some trauma in Woof 1/2 repeated.
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Post by cornb on Dec 30, 2015 13:05:01 GMT -8
Yeah I think coming off Woof also hurt. A reset that kind of made the momentum shift awkward, followed by a really fucking bad game for town, and a win secured only by scum's hubris.
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Post by CzarTim on Dec 30, 2015 23:48:27 GMT -8
I agree we should do one of these games once per mid season. I feel like this community is addicted to the "oh shit" crazy moments and the straight scum hunting is boring to the point people don't want to participate. It makes me feel like some are playing for the wrong reasons. Well, if you like the crazy moments and find the real scum hunting boring, than that is fine. The most important reason to play these games is to have fun, and if that is the most fun to you than that is still the right reason to play IMO. I agree people should play to have fun, but the problem is this is a team game and people who are just on board for the crazy moments are actually making it harder for their teammates to win (and by extension, themselves.) Star Wars and NX were two games that were lolcrazysauce to the point that it was detrimental to the people trying to play to win. I don't think people who "find scum hunting boring" should be playing a game where the central mechanic is, you know, scum hunting. It's like playing COD and going afk because you only care about the unlocks. That being said, I don't expect everyone to be on their game 100% of the time. I understand sometimes people are busy, and not every game grabs every player. That's fine. I also don't think everyone should be forced to play no-PR games (I prefer closed PR games myself.) I just think this community has developed some bad habits, and I fear it will hurt us in the long run when we have some tamer games. Like games will be split between people who were only on board because of the lolcrazysauce and people actually playing mafia, and the first group is going to be disappointed to the point of barely posting and the second group is going to get frustrated and not want to be the only ones trying. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 31, 2015 2:33:54 GMT -8
Well, if you like the crazy moments and find the real scum hunting boring, than that is fine. The most important reason to play these games is to have fun, and if that is the most fun to you than that is still the right reason to play IMO. I agree people should play to have fun, but the problem is this is a team game and people who are just on board for the crazy moments are actually making it harder for their teammates to win (and by extension, themselves.) Star Wars and NX were two games that were lolcrazysauce to the point that it was detrimental to the people trying to play to win. I don't think people who "find scum hunting boring" should be playing a game where the central mechanic is, you know, scum hunting. It's like playing COD and going afk because you only care about the unlocks. That being said, I don't expect everyone to be on their game 100% of the time. I understand sometimes people are busy, and not every game grabs every player. That's fine. I also don't think everyone should be forced to play no-PR games (I prefer closed PR games myself.) I just think this community has developed some bad habits, and I fear it will hurt us in the long run when we have some tamer games. Like games will be split between people who were only on board because of the lolcrazysauce and people actually playing mafia, and the first group is going to be disappointed to the point of barely posting and the second group is going to get frustrated and not want to be the only ones trying. Isn't this partly the reason we have the crab scale? To avoid people getting into games they probably will not enjoy, either because they are too tame or to crazy? But I agree that even if you like one aspect of mafia a bit less than the other, regardless if it is making reads or figuring out PR, you still shouldn't just ignore the other part of the game. I tend to like figuring out PR much more than making reads (I suuuuck at reads), but that doesn't mean I will not try to make reads (and fail hilariously at it). |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 1, 2016 14:03:07 GMT -8
It's okay, it's not like town was going to listen to me anyways :l Wait. I just noticed my title. Why am I scarred?  |
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Post by yn on Jan 1, 2016 14:06:56 GMT -8
welcome delicious squiders :D
idk about your title :D
:D
ty so much for playing o7
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Post by yn on Jan 1, 2016 14:10:44 GMT -8
hahah
finally, a roleclaim
i thought he'd do that today :>
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i really was genuinely curious how the community would react to this game. i wont come down on any feedbacks! if you found it boring then it is good for us as community and also for potential future game runners to know that.
