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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 7, 2015 19:42:10 GMT -8
So after giving it more thought I kinda really want to do this for S4.5. I've come up with a tentative list of roles; could someone check them for balance and whatnot?
Warriors of Light:
Ordinaries:
Black Mage
White Mage
Red Mage
Fighter
Thief
Black Belt
PR:
Cloud Strife (Can perform one override with the command LIMIT BREAK: [USERNAME])
Tidus (Can roleblock once per night with the command HAHAHA: [USERNAME])
Terra Branford (Can investigate alignment once per night with the command ESPER: [USERNAME])
Zidane Tribal (Can gain a double vote once per game with the command TRANCE: [USERNAME])
Cecil Harvey (Starts out as a Dark Knight with the ability to kill one target during the night twice per game with the command DARKNESS: [USERNAME]. If he so chooses, Cecil can discard his dark past and be reborn as a Paladin, which changes his power to the ability to protect one player per night with the command COVER: [USERNAME] in exchange for putting himself in harm's way instead. Changing classes uses up his night action, and cannot be undone.)
Golbez (Investigates as a Warrior of Chaos at night, but can protect a player once per night with the command HEAL: [USERNAME])
Warriors of Chaos:
Kefka Palazzo (Can swap the target of a night action to another player once per night using the command HATEHATEHATE: [USERNAME])
Exdeath (Casts Grand Cross when lynched which acts as a lynch bomb and kills the first person to cast a vote on them that day)
Ultimecia (Can perform a night kill that does not reveal the player's role once per game with the command ABSORB: [USERNAME])
Cloud of Darkness (Can perform a kill that cannot be affected by other powers, including her own teammates', twice per game with the command ULTRA PARTICLE BEAM: [USERNAME])
Neutral:
Bartz Klauser (Is assigned a new role at the beginning of every day and must perform that role over the course of the day. If three roles are performed in a satisfactory manner in accordance to a panel of judges, Bartz departs the game victorious and gets to kill one player on his way out.)
Sound okay? Do I need more scum, or fewer town?
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Post by yn on Dec 8, 2015 17:24:46 GMT -8
hi scrafty! sorry im late. it's all retro's fault :D
FF should be a main season game! it's a big title that will draw the crowd and new sign ups!
Where in Crab's bastard scale do you want this to run on? btw?
I had a quick look, and I think town is a bit stacked. But I'll write up a better response later (im hungry right now :3)...
Also the Neutral role has been done to death in the woof game (and subsequently in woof reborn) so maybe it's not a good timing for another dopple~
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 11:45:41 GMT -8
I'll keep that in mind, yenny! I wanted to do this as a midseason game cuz I actually want to run an Ace Attorney Mafia for S5. I'll give scum team a few more tools and see if that balances things better, and change the neutral entirely.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 12:28:28 GMT -8
Okay, I gave scum another member and changed Bartz's role entirely. Is this looking any better?
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Post by yn on Dec 10, 2015 12:34:37 GMT -8
oooh ace attorney ok~
yes, more tools for scum would balance it better i think :)
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 13:00:02 GMT -8
Soooooo, would anyone say that it's about ready to go? I can start signups today if someone wants to give me the go-ahead.
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Dec 10, 2015 21:56:27 GMT -8
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 21:56:27 GMT -8
Reading it over
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:06:42 GMT -8
Ok, so town has
Cop
Role blocker
Miller Doctor
Governor
Mayor
Vig/Bodyguard
Scum has
Lynch Bomb
Bus Driver
Janitor kill
2x "Strongman" kill
The Miller Doctor is kinda rough. It's the only source of protection for town, and even if Cecil transforms, it's a one-shot and he dies anyway. Kinda weak as far as protection goes. Factor in the switcher that can effectively null any protection and it's almost useless. Maybe make Kefka 2-shot or something.
Cloud is almost useless too. Overrides, so far, have always been anti-town. Sure it can work in town's favor, but odds are it won't. What happens if Cloud overrides ExDeath?
What are the pool of abilities Bartz can pull from?
What does "satisfactory" mean? Like if he gets Doctor, he successfully protects a kill?
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Dec 10, 2015 22:09:53 GMT -8
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:09:53 GMT -8
Earliest Town can win: Night 2
Earliest Scum can win: Day 4 (assuming the killing roles in scum are replacing the night faction kill rather than in addition).
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 22:13:09 GMT -8
Would it be more balanced if Cecil could become a full doctor after the switch? That would give him more incentive to do it instead of just sitting on his two kills forever.
And if Kefka uses his switching ability on someone it randomly switches the target of the kill too, unless CoD uses her power which I might just end up making a 1-shot anyway. As far as Cloud goes, I just like the idea of an override and I'm aware that they often cause more harm than good. If he overrided ExDeath it'd negate the ability I'd imagine, as that's the trade-off he'd get for sacrificing his one power to cancel out a scum power.
For Bartz, the "roles" are more posting styles or affectations similar to the insanity effect, and "satisfactory" is there so that they can't just coast through the day posting once or twice to claim their victory. They've gotta work for it, otherwise it'd be way too easy.
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Dec 10, 2015 22:15:19 GMT -8
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:15:19 GMT -8
Thinking maybe replace the override with something else, maybe a watcher-type role?
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:16:11 GMT -8
Thinking maybe replace the override with something else, maybe a watcher-type role? Posted before I saw the post. Ok. |
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:20:42 GMT -8
Would it be more balanced if Cecil could become a full doctor after the switch? That would give him more incentive to do it instead of just sitting on his two kills forever. And if Kefka uses his switching ability on someone it randomly switches the target of the kill too, unless CoD uses her power which I might just end up making a 1-shot anyway. As far as Cloud goes, I just like the idea of an override and I'm aware that they often cause more harm than good. If he overrided ExDeath it'd negate the ability I'd imagine, as that's the trade-off he'd get for sacrificing his one power to cancel out a scum power. For Bartz, the "roles" are more posting styles or affectations similar to the insanity effect, and "satisfactory" is there so that they can't just coast through the day posting once or twice to claim their victory. They've gotta work for it, otherwise it'd be way too easy. Well it does switch the target of the kill, sure, but if say, Fighter is targeted for protection, and scum has the sense to realize it, they just swap Fighter with anyone else and get the kill, negating the doc. As for Cecil, two docs is kinda swingy too. Hmm...maybe Cecil is a vig to start, but when Golbez dies he becomes a doc? |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 22:26:12 GMT -8
Would it be more balanced if Cecil could become a full doctor after the switch? That would give him more incentive to do it instead of just sitting on his two kills forever. And if Kefka uses his switching ability on someone it randomly switches the target of the kill too, unless CoD uses her power which I might just end up making a 1-shot anyway. As far as Cloud goes, I just like the idea of an override and I'm aware that they often cause more harm than good. If he overrided ExDeath it'd negate the ability I'd imagine, as that's the trade-off he'd get for sacrificing his one power to cancel out a scum power. For Bartz, the "roles" are more posting styles or affectations similar to the insanity effect, and "satisfactory" is there so that they can't just coast through the day posting once or twice to claim their victory. They've gotta work for it, otherwise it'd be way too easy. Well it does switch the target of the kill, sure, but if say, Fighter is targeted for protection, and scum has the sense to realize it, they just swap Fighter with anyone else and get the kill, negating the doc. As for Cecil, two docs is kinda swingy too. Hmm...maybe Cecil is a vig to start, but when Golbez dies he becomes a doc? Well, Kefka wouldn't be able to control who the effect switches to so they still wouldn't be able to go around protection and hit the intended target without using CoD's ability. That Cecil tweak makes sense for balance, but I kinda wanted him to have to make the choice himself for flavour's sake  I mean, considering he might think he's the only doctor in the game maybe it'll be balanced that way? As far as he's concerned no one else has the power to protect people plus he has to use a night changing as well. |
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:30:02 GMT -8
Oh, I misread Kefka's role. He's more like a witch than a Bus Driver then. Ok. Still might want it to be X-shot, but maybe up to 3 then.
I suppose Cecil's role COULD be fine, but him thinking he's the only protection as a bodyguard is unlikely - cause even if he protects, he dies. If he became a full doc, you just get into a situation where the two docs protect each other forever (unless Kefka swaps one).
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 10, 2015 22:35:07 GMT -8
Okay, so I'll make Kefka a 3-shot and maybe limit Cecil's doc protection to a 2-shot to match his number of kill stocks. Would that be more balanced?
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 10, 2015 22:37:03 GMT -8
I think that could work.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 13, 2015 6:42:09 GMT -8
omg I just realized that the doctor might actually get lynched this game. It truly is the most wonderful time of the year.
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 16, 2015 7:27:42 GMT -8
So who got what?
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Post by Retro on Dec 16, 2015 7:56:25 GMT -8
Town Sorian - Cloud (1x Override) Seath - Tidus (Roleblocker) Swamped - Terra (Alignment Cop) Darryl - Zidane (1x One Day Doublevote) Nin - Cecil (Vig/Doctor) UltraJay - Golbez (Miller/Doctor) StarSketch - Ordinary Town Zippedpinhead - Ordinary Town Terrabyte20xx - Ordinary Town TheAwesomePossum - Ordinary Town Sophia - Ordinary Town TL21xx - Ordinary Town Scum Pop-O-Matic - Kefka (3x Switcher) StackpoleH - Ultimecia (1x Janitor) Hyperactivity - ExDeath (1x Lynch Bomb) Xamtheking - Cloud of Darkness (2x Strongman) Neutral Blargonaut - Bartz (Rotating Role/Survivor) |
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