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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 14:10:38 GMT -8
So, basically, those of us who are obviously scum now need to "slip" that someone else is scum, too. Like, we should bring up something that came up in scum chat, except pretend that one of them was part of it. Sure, that's a way to go. The only one who's gonna fall for that is Boo Boo'n, though. Just need to goad him into a single, quick vote for someone else, and have us all vote at the same time... Trying to make it out to be Czar because Boo Boo'n doesn't trust he's town. |
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Post by Makai on Dec 15, 2015 14:18:25 GMT -8
BooBoo might be neutral survivor or something. Maybe that's why he's trying to shake shit up lol
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 14:25:04 GMT -8
Laying it on a little heavy there guys lol.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 14:28:34 GMT -8
I think what's going on is pretty obvious to everyone, so I kinda feel like this is practically just delaying the inevitable. However, if Boo Boo'n can't tell what's facetious or not anymore, I can... do something with deputizing and convincing him to vote for someone, and then we immediately follow that up? Or something? This last chance we've got is, like, 2% possible.
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Post by septimusprime on Dec 15, 2015 14:55:52 GMT -8
That was just a joke on my end. I honestly don't expect anyone to believe anything I say anymore, so the real "slip" would have to be more subtle.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 14:59:07 GMT -8
Once Boo Boo'n posts again, I'm gonna pull my Last Stand Gambit regarding his ability as a Tracker, seeing that I visited Trigger, why Trigger isn't dead, how I have the names of the other wolves, how my real win condition is the lynch of 2 specific people (or something, I'll improvise), and how I'll offer the names of the scum for his win condition if he places a vote on another certain player for my win condition as a win-win trade.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 15:19:32 GMT -8
Alright, first part launched. You guys haven't given up, have you? We only need a single vote! We can still do this. I'm not letting us lose.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 15:41:09 GMT -8
Alright, I realize we've got two opportunities here and, much like we almost killed ourselves due to our haste, Town might kill themselves due to their complacency.
1. They think there are 3 wolves left. That means FluxWaveZ, Sawneeks and Fireblend are at the top of that list and the general populace will not trust whatever we do. But Septimus and Makai are a ****bit**** more trustworthy.
2. Boo Boo'n is thoroughly paranoid and confused.
Guys, we can seriously do this; we just need to all be here at once. If we can induce an artificial bandwagon split, with two of you voting on me and the remaining two voting on someone else we want to kill, that might influence someone else to place a "temporary" vote on another player, at which point we hammer immediately on that person.
They think they're in the safe, but they're actually still in LyLo. We just need one more push.
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Post by septimusprime on Dec 15, 2015 17:15:52 GMT -8
I can't believe this still isn't over.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 17:20:35 GMT -8
It's because we think they know more than they do, when a townie would actually have a considerable amount of doubt regarding the chaos that went on. This is what we need to exploit. Now it's just a psychological filibuster game, where we need to make them make a single tiny mistake, which we will then end the game with. We only need 1 vote on someone that isn't us, from someone that isn't us, and we win.
If we don't do that on this day phase, the game is over, but I think we have a fair chance of making it out if we work together here. I'll post a list of plans I have in mind in a bit.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 17:48:19 GMT -8
Ugh, damn. The more time passes, the more they realize who the wolves are due to posting habits after the Crimson gambit.
Okay, plan 1:
I give up. I state that we're just delaying the inevitable, and I say that it's best we turbo me and get it over with. I double vote myself and deputize CzarTim. Two of you, preferably Sawneeks and Makai, vote on me (not at the same time). The other two vote on CzarTim. We need to give them the illusion that they can't finish this off in one fell swoop and that we still need to deliberate, which is what the divide will accomplish. Someone, perhaps Boo Boo'n, will test the waters with some random vote, and WE ALL PILE ON AT THAT MOMENT.
Plan 2:
Peer pressure. Preferably done near the deadline, but I don't know if we have that kind of time anymore (when's the deadline, anyways?). I argue that I'd just really like to see Boo Boo'n die because he annoys me, so I double vote him (or keep my double vote). 3 others here make up arguments and, with appropriate time delays, vote on Boo Boo'n. Boo Boo'n's the type to get flustered after this, and this could cause him to place a random vote against someone who isn't voting against him to divert attention. If 4 of us isn't enough, the 5th person will also put down a vote. Give him the sense that he's actually about to be lynched. WE ALL PILE ON AT THE MOMENT HE VOTES ON SOMEONE ELSE.
Plan 3:
Uh, this one won't work. But I was thinking of something like each one of us coming out clean and saying what our roles are and what are alignment is. Completely honestly and truthfully. Except, we each say that someone else is one of us. Preferably Timeaisis, since he was part of our bandwagon. He will put up a fight, claiming that we're lying even though we all say he is a wolf and... I'm not sure where it would go from there.
We NEED to each be online together at the point where we execute any of these plans to hammer a vote the instant the opportunity comes up. It's our only chance.
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 19:08:51 GMT -8
Plan 1 has the bigger chance of success but we need to choose either Czar or Time as our other 'wolf'. Both are pretty sketchy to Boo Boo'n but I feel like Czar would be able to defend himself in that situation whereas Time hasn't been doing a great job convincing people he is Town.
Another issue is getting everyone together and I think that's where any plan will fall apart. Having us all here at the start was easy but now that the Day phase is going it's going to be way harder getting everyone to vote in sync. That and we need to wait on Boo Boo'n, someone who we have no idea when/if they will vote.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 19:50:47 GMT -8
Okay, then we're going with plan 1 and finishing this tomorrow (if everyone is available then). I would like for everyone to list the time they will be available at on December 16 so we can get this over with. I believe that the best scenario would be at around 5:00 PM EST; I think Boo Boo'n should be available then as well. Time Availability (December 16)
Plan (Divide and Conquer)- The start of this plan is FluxWaveZ explicitly giving up and being earnest about it. I know all eyes are on me for the lynch. I know I'm going to lose and, if I'm a wolf, we're going to all lose anyways. I'd like to be out of the game so I can participate in Heist if that hasn't started yet. "Let's just get this over with." Etc.
- FluxWaveZ ends his pity party by double voting himself, and deputizing Timeaisis.
- Sawneeks and Septimus Prime, the two that are leaning the most wolf in perception, make their own separate arguments and vote on me with a good enough time lapse (delay of ~10 minutes).
- Simultaneously, Fireblend and Makai, the two that are leaning the most village in perception, make their own separate arguments and vote on Timeaisis with a good enough time lapse between each other (delay of ~10 minutes).
- Most people question the divide and mock Fireblend and Makai for avoiding a vote on me. Some potentially question if this is a trap like Crimson's lynch was. Whatever the case, most people follow my lead, alongside Sawneeks' and Septimus Prime's to turbo the vote on me.
- Discussion ensues as to the possibilities, even though the foregone conclusion from many is that I'm the target for today's lynch.
- Boo Boo'n, Trigger, or Timeaisis votes on someone who isn't the 5 of us. AT THAT MOMENT, WE IMMEDIATELY TURBO THE VOTE, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, NO HESITATION, NOTHING; JUST PURE IMPULSE.
The key to this plan is the minor aspect of uncertainty that still remains in the Town. They think there's only 3 of us left. In their eyes, we no longer have the collective power to turbo the vote like we did on Crimson. If we did that, we'd just look like deer in headlights as we fail to achieve the majority. They're wrong however; there are 5 of us left, not 3.
Because of this, the possibility that the three listed in step 7 might erratically vote on someone who isn't one of us isn't unrealistic. From the way they've been playing, I could fully see them not thinking much of it, since they can always just quickly unvote, and the sense of danger is gone, since we're cornered.
I want the discussion of "is turboing the right choice?" to be a slight presence here, while I insist that it is and that we shoudl end this quickly. If the votes weren't divided on Timeaisis, this would just cause a bandwagon with 100% of the votes being on me. But because of that split, even if they're from suspects, there will be questioning. That's the key element, and the only way we can get this to work.
If—AND ONLY IF—the aspect of uncertainty is a non-presence and everyone just outright ignores the two votes on Time, we immediately switch to plan 2 and ALL VOTE ON CZARTIM, each with our own reasoning. Doesn't even matter if it seems immediate or out of place, we'll be close to Game Over at that point anyways, and a quick vote shift could cause panic from Boo Boo'n in particular.
This plan doesn't have the best chance of working out, but it's all we got. We're zombies; everyone has us as the targets and, even if they think there are only 3 of us left, after 3 of us are lynched in a row the other 2 will be immediately lynched as well. I also don't think this plan is far-fetched; there is actually a moderate chance it works out, especially if we consider all the mess-ups Town have made until this point.
Let's just cooperate this one last time, following the number list to the letter, so that we can actually turn this victory-turned-defeat into an actual victory. |
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 19:57:04 GMT -8
Oh man, and as I was typing that, I see that they're now fully considering the possibility that there are 5 of us left. Dammit.  I tried. I really did; we almost had it. *sigh* Alright, either we stick to this plan or I'll just go with plan 1 right now... except without it being a plan. Losing the determination the longer this goes on. Let me know. |
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 20:13:26 GMT -8
Heh... we didn't have enough time for "the plan" after all. Ah well. That one mistake really screwed things up; we would have taken it swiftly if it weren't for that. How quickly things turn...
I'll see ya on the flip side! Double voting for myself now.
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 20:16:55 GMT -8
I will be at work at 5:00 PM EST but it's a slow week so I should be fine with it. Mobile is going to be an issue so checking here might be tough but I can keep my eye on the main thread no problem.
And to be honest if this doesn't work tomorrow I vote to concede and let Town take it, even though they don't deserve the victory lol. We might be able to pull out a win with Makai and Fireblend towards the end but it looks like we have all lost our drive to play after what happened earlier. No idea how long we really want to drag this one out.
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 20:18:10 GMT -8
wait wait! hold on Flux! once you go we all fall so let's see how everyone else wants to go forward.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 20:18:50 GMT -8
Eh, they deserve the victory just as much as we do. Town screwed up so many times until this point. Now we screwed up, and we're paying for it. Them's the breaks!
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 20:21:06 GMT -8
I'll unvote and say my wolf brethren are trying to tell me something if I'm about to get lynched, but I kinda don't see the point right now. The way things are leaning, none of those plans are gonna work.
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 20:21:43 GMT -8
Eh, I'm biased, what can I say? I want to see a sweet Wolf victory. :p
Honestly though once you go we are all screwed so don't hammer yet. If everyone else agrees I say we concede, learn from our mistakes and then move on if we don't want to put up a fight. I don't want to do this without everyone's agreement.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 20:23:27 GMT -8
Got it. I'll take unvoting seriously if I'm about to get hammered, then.
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Post by Sawneeks on Dec 15, 2015 20:28:40 GMT -8
Maybe Makai and Fire want to give it a swing and see where it goes but to be honest I don't see much of a way out of this. Still, I would rather wait to get everyone to chime in then to just end it. Besides, you guys have a lot more invested into this than I do. Between joining late and everything that happened over the weekend for me I will admit I'm not as into this game as I had hoped to be.
Either way it was a fun few days lol.
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Post by palmer on Dec 15, 2015 20:47:19 GMT -8
I'd call the game a draw if I could. I think you guys played better overall, but trying to rush it here at the end wasn't really needed, and that bus was almost as bad as Sophia from round 1. It could have worked much better if Crimson made that "mistake" and you guys just waited for 3 or 4 town to pile on first.
Flux ditching Sheriff to Timeaisis makes it even less likely for something dumb to happen now.
This might get boring as it plays out. If it seems clear that town will get all of you, we can always just call it early.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 15, 2015 20:52:40 GMT -8
Guess like Sawneeks, we'll wait and see what the others have to say about it.
If we've learned anything, it's that we definitely should have waited back there; there really wasn't any rush for anything but greed. I was hesitant towards the bandwagon plan (which is why I asked here what we should do when someone voted), but it seemed like you guys had come up with the plan while I slept. But, even after that, we rushed to put in the night kills and managed to only get 1 person when we should have gotten 3 or, in reality, 2. Just a mistake followed by a mistake lead by a lack of patience, which did us in.
A good lesson to learn for someone who's new to this game!
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Post by Fireblend on Dec 16, 2015 7:17:30 GMT -8
I dunno guys. I know I'm one of the less guilty-looking among us, but it's still really bad, my silence is only making it worse, and I'm just not feeling continuing with the game. I'd almost like to see the game end now with a town victory rather than dragging it out with interest slowly decreasing more and more for a couple more weeks. I can try to do the sportsmanship thing and pretend we can still win, but ugh.
Props to Flux for attempting to keep this going.
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Post by Makai on Dec 16, 2015 8:27:36 GMT -8
Here's how we win.
Today: Flux is lynched
Tonight: We kill Boo Boo'n
Tomorrow: I claim I tracked Time and reveal he has a kill command. Time is lynched
Tomorrow night: Kill Lollipop Dave
We tie on the third day and win.
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Post by Makai on Dec 16, 2015 8:29:04 GMT -8
Don't give up.
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Post by Makai on Dec 16, 2015 8:34:28 GMT -8
Actually, we'll night kill whoever he deputizes.
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Post by Makai on Dec 16, 2015 8:36:06 GMT -8
This could work, guys. Don't be so down in the dumps.
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Post by Makai on Dec 16, 2015 8:37:55 GMT -8
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