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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 17, 2015 8:48:15 GMT -8
I put more work in trying to keep Palmer from just mod killing all of you.
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Post by ultron87 on Dec 17, 2015 8:48:33 GMT -8
Sorry, even if it didn't offend, I do sincerely apologize for posting that little dig in the thread like that. It wasn't needed.
It just feels like there was so much swingy stuff in the roles that the outcome of the game wasn't really in the hands of the voters at all. Basically what Tim said where we were already at the brink of losing in a *huge* game after 3 mislynches + killing a neutral.
The Arsonist role in particular leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There wasn't any countermeasure for it, right? Besides killing KingKitty which people in the chat had no inclination that it would help and thus would actively try to prevent from happening.
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Post by Sophia on Dec 17, 2015 8:51:00 GMT -8
But if it was a lie wouldn't Xam's scummates have reeled him in by now? Doesn't that mean he's telling the truth and really appreciates the work you put in? Or maybe that's what his scum mates told him to say just to make you believe it...? But surely his scum mates would have known that you wouldn't have possibly believed it to begin with...? Or maybe perhaps that's part of their plan to begin with and this is all a secret gambit? Or maybe... Oh hey, what's this Wine bottle doing here....? Sorry, even if it didn't offend, I do sincerely apologize for posting that little dig in the thread like that. It wasn't needed. It just feels like there was so much swingy stuff in the roles that the outcome of the game wasn't really in the hands of the voters at all. Basically what Tim said where we were already at the brink of losing in a *huge* game after 3 mislynches + killing a neutral. The Arsonist role in particular leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There wasn't any countermeasure for it, right? Besides killing KingKitty which people in the chat had no inclination that it would help and thus would actively try to prevent from happening. Honestly, I don't think it was that badly balanced outside of the arsonist role. The arsonist had no real counter and the sheer inactivity of town thanks to swing resulted in KingKitty getting a pretty clear victory. Personally, I really liked the Doppelganger role myself.
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Post by cabot on Dec 17, 2015 8:51:35 GMT -8
This game has reaffirmed my love for czartim. Screwing him in Star Wars was almost as good as screwing Cabot in MGS. So what you're saying is I'm your besty? #glasshalffull Wait, why has Sophia got wine and not shared it with me #aids
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 17, 2015 8:51:52 GMT -8
The other countermeasure was that any of his invitees could be killed and screw up his win condition, leaving him to have to invite someone else the next day.
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 8:52:31 GMT -8
I don't know if I'd say the balance was bad... Although as Tim mentioned, Town had a really small margin of error in such a large game.
Town played badly and were losing, then scum played worse and are now losing... That's a kind of balance right?
Whatever, I'd cut Palmer some slack anyway. Can't be easy to do a last minute rebalance and game size increase, and I think this was still the best balance of the main season games (S4).
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 17, 2015 8:52:44 GMT -8
Tim needs to visit Trigger tonight and then Time needs to protect them.
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Post by ultron87 on Dec 17, 2015 8:54:25 GMT -8
And yeah, I totally understand that it was a quick redesign and the increase in players was tough.
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Post by Sophia on Dec 17, 2015 8:54:27 GMT -8
Wait, why has Sophia got wine and not shared it with me You can have it. I think the scum left it there to poison and kill me, but joke's on them I don't drink! >_>; I don't know if I'd say the balance was bad... Although as Tim mentioned, Town had a really small margin of error in such a large game. Town played badly and were losing, then scum played worse and are now losing... That's a kind of balance right? Whatever, I'd cut Palmer some slack anyway. Can't be easy to do a last minute rebalance and game size increase, and I think this was still the best balance of the main season games (S4). Yeah, honestly. Palmer, Ouro and co did pretty good given the cirumstances ><;
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Post by cabot on Dec 17, 2015 8:56:33 GMT -8
I'll never admit weakness and compliment these people. Never!
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Post by palmer on Dec 17, 2015 8:56:35 GMT -8
Sorry, even if it didn't offend, I do sincerely apologize for posting that little dig in the thread like that. It wasn't needed. It just feels like there was so much swingy stuff in the roles that the outcome of the game wasn't really in the hands of the voters at all. Basically what Tim said where we were already at the brink of losing in a *huge* game after 3 mislynches + killing a neutral. The Arsonist role in particular leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There wasn't any countermeasure for it, right? Besides killing KingKitty which people in the chat had no inclination that it would help and thus would actively try to prevent from happening. Zipped, tim, and bat were all sort of counters to KK. The idea in a vacuum is that hed get a scum and 3 or 4 members ro ensure he got enough kills. In The meantime, it gave people a gossip chat which is very pro town normally. Obviously thats not how it ended up, and it was a mistake to some degree for sure. In its current state, what would a reasonable counter for it have been?
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 9:02:12 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of arsonists in general, but could you have half the targets survive?
I guess that adds some RNG though
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Post by palmer on Dec 17, 2015 9:02:47 GMT -8
I wouldnt do rng.
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Post by Sophia on Dec 17, 2015 9:09:20 GMT -8
I still like the idea of the arsonist role requiring one scum for victory personally. Gives incentive for the player to flush out scum and assist the town.
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 9:28:02 GMT -8
How about giving people the ability to leave kitty's chat? It gives them a reason to be suspicious (perhaps too much) and also makes his win more difficult
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 17, 2015 9:34:57 GMT -8
Maybe make it Town Of Salem style where the Arso gets to douse a person in Gas each night, and the player doused receives a message saying they were doused?
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Post by palmer on Dec 17, 2015 9:38:07 GMT -8
Maybe make it Town Of Salem style where the Arso gets to douse a person in Gas each night, and the player doused receives a message saying they were doused? The issue with that is its fairly obvious each person was doused when they joined chat. That coincidence will be noticed.
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 17, 2015 9:38:40 GMT -8
Maybe make it Town Of Salem style where the Arso gets to douse a person in Gas each night, and the player doused receives a message saying they were doused? The issue with that is its fairly obvious each person was doused when they joined chat. That coincidence will be noticed. In my model, there wouldn't even be a chat at all
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Post by palmer on Dec 17, 2015 9:39:38 GMT -8
Then its just an arsonist. Im wondering how to have balanced it as is.
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 17, 2015 9:55:12 GMT -8
Batsnacks get your head out of your ass
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -8
Honestly think I'd be self-voting or asking for replacement in Tim's position. Town are taking the piss now
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 17, 2015 9:59:51 GMT -8
Honestly think I'd be self-voting or asking for replacement in Tim's position. Town are taking the piss now I think Boo'n is still somewhat there
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 10:01:50 GMT -8
WOW
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 17, 2015 10:01:52 GMT -8
omg batsnacks
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 17, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -8
Breaking news, people! Batsnacks has managed to stick his head up his ass so far breathing and shitting look the exact same
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Post by crimsonfist on Dec 17, 2015 10:05:49 GMT -8
ahahahahahaha
ahaha
Although they're not in LYLO any-more because town has the double vote, shame.
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Post by Splinter on Dec 17, 2015 10:05:53 GMT -8
Tim seriously considering the self vote option, I think
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Post by Sophia on Dec 17, 2015 10:06:11 GMT -8
Ehh.... Batsnacks..... bro.... what are you doing? :<
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Post by zippedpinhead on Dec 17, 2015 10:16:22 GMT -8
I think the best way that a gossip arsonist would have improved was requiring a scum in the chat (maybe even with one less death required). Requires a bit more work, but would be a good counter to just recruit town...explode...profit.
alternatively, you could have the arsonist gossip with a time bomb. Time bomb goes off on a given morning (say after night 5), and arsonist wins if he has X number of people in chat. That way its a bit more "out of the arsonist's hands". My biggest beef is either lack of scum requirement or the recruit X+1 nights and boom on final night after recruitment. I think one extra required day would have been a good balance (with bomb having highest priority when it explodes).
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Dec 17, 2015 10:19:15 GMT -8
ahahahahahaha ahaha Although they're not in LYLO any-more because town has the double vote, shame. Though, even if it was a wolf who still had that power, it's 4 v 7 and their voting power would be 5 + 1 (batsnacks). Town's voting power would still be 6, so unless something 110% nuts were to occur, there wouldn't be a nonsense bandwagon like last time and no one else should be voting on CzarTim. Maybe it's because of the knowledge we had and that bandwagon chaos, but I'm confused why they're still so confused. Edit: Wait... the majority vote is 6. Never mind, reasoning was totally off; we could have totally bandwagoned right here and won (attempt #2). Dammit.
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