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Post by Splinter on Oct 11, 2017 12:07:23 GMT -8
I'm not really sure what's gone wrong this game, but if I had to guess I'd say people are spending too much time defending their town reads and not enough attack/developing their scumreads.
There's been a lot of "your case against ____ is shit". If that's true then make a better case, if you can't then you are the problem here.
Kawl/Faddy stand out for this in this day phase... Hopefully they are scum? :/
(I think I was also guilty of this at points, can't remember why I townread Zeusy early on).
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 11, 2017 12:10:02 GMT -8
Early on SO many people were tunneled (so was I, but I never actually got to see any of my reads get lynched so I never got a chance to reevaluate). Now, everyone is taking Sorian's reads as gospel and solely focusing on all of the "confirmed" people, which is doomed to fail.
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Post by Splinter on Oct 11, 2017 12:38:30 GMT -8
Early on SO many people were tunneled (so was I, but I never actually got to see any of my reads get lynched so I never got a chance to reevaluate). Now, everyone is taking Sorian's reads as gospel and solely focusing on all of the "confirmed" people, which is doomed to fail. That's the thing though innit? If people are still tunnelling then their reads weren't lynched. Can't tunnel the dead. So maybe we're putting too much stock in our one or two tunnels, and not making proper reads on the rest of the pack, so when "the rest" flip we haven't had any reason to re-evaluate.
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Post by Splinter on Oct 11, 2017 12:39:58 GMT -8
PSA: Its "because", not "after"
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 11, 2017 12:49:13 GMT -8
Early on SO many people were tunneled (so was I, but I never actually got to see any of my reads get lynched so I never got a chance to reevaluate). Now, everyone is taking Sorian's reads as gospel and solely focusing on all of the "confirmed" people, which is doomed to fail. That's the thing though innit? If people are still tunnelling then their reads weren't lynched. Can't tunnel the dead. So maybe we're putting too much stock in our one or two tunnels, and not making proper reads on the rest of the pack, so when "the rest" flip we haven't had any reason to re-evaluate. Yeah, probably. But I mean that none of the tunnels really got lynched. With the exception of Zipped, the other lynches just kinda...happened.
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 11, 2017 14:02:11 GMT -8
Just eating themselves now
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 11, 2017 14:03:15 GMT -8
Kawl's not wrong, but still he probably could be doing more here. Faddy is just being stubborn as all hell.
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Post by Splinter on Oct 11, 2017 14:32:48 GMT -8
Kawl is way out of line here.
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 11, 2017 14:45:21 GMT -8
Kawl is way out of line here. Yeah. He's frustrated though, so I kinda understand his thoughts, but yeah.
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Post by cabot on Oct 11, 2017 23:18:20 GMT -8
I mean why did no one suggest wasting Sorian yesterday when he claimed to clear 2 people?
You possibly clear 2 people, and clear the game of the noise Sorian makes which always messes things up.
Frustrating.
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Post by yn on Oct 12, 2017 0:50:04 GMT -8
eating out of sorian's hand, after hook towner?
my, my
:D
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Post by Splinter on Oct 12, 2017 2:04:27 GMT -8
Zeusy clearly doesn't understand Bronx pm and how that clears CCS, but it makes no sense to attack him for that unless you think he's playing dumb (which neither Sorian nor CCS have suggested). #LeaveZeusyAlone I mean why did no one suggest wasting Sorian yesterday when he claimed to clear 2 people? You possibly clear 2 people, and clear the game of the noise Sorian makes which always messes things up. Frustrating. Well Dr Worm did suggest lynching the cleared people because Uhh...
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 12, 2017 4:46:14 GMT -8
I'm sure the weak cop still being alive by lylo will start to make a few people question it although if Sorian has the role I think he does...
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Post by absolutbro on Oct 12, 2017 4:55:10 GMT -8
Sorian has the most appropriate role he could have .... rolled.
Swamped too, before she had to drop.
I knew I made the PRs on the weaker side, generally speaking, but they've been super quiet. I'll also echo YnNnY's sentiment from discord: How on earth are people believing Sorian after the whole Town Hooker thing?!
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Post by heymonkey on Oct 12, 2017 6:59:53 GMT -8
I swear, I'm gonna launch a whole new research project to understand how the fuck we listen to Sorian about anything at all XD XD XD
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Post by Splinter on Oct 12, 2017 14:16:46 GMT -8
Lol, really wasn't expecting Nomad to flip town
We're fucked
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Post by absolutbro on Oct 12, 2017 14:22:39 GMT -8
This night will basically make or break the game I think, depending on the PRs. Town has a couple powerful roles still alive: Spoilers for those interested: Dusk Soldier is a pseudo-mayor. He can have me confirm him as town in the thread AND his vote will count as 3 for the day. Faddy is a 3-shot commuter, who is using his last shot tonight and is completely 100% untargetable. SalvaPot is a Jailer. Zeusy is a Bodyguard, and still has his bulletproof vest. Wizard is a two-shot vigilante, and still has BOTH charges. Kawl_USC is a busdriver / swapper. He actually prevented the scum team from seeing the neutral use an action on himself. (a one shot lightning rod that didn't actually pull anything.)
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 12, 2017 14:33:51 GMT -8
How has the vig not taken a shot yet, and to think we were worried about too many deaths early on lol.
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Post by absolutbro on Oct 12, 2017 14:38:56 GMT -8
Fun fact: All the Ordinary Town are dead. EVERYONE left is either a PR, or scum.
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Post by heymonkey on Oct 12, 2017 15:27:18 GMT -8
Fun fact: All the Ordinary Town are dead. EVERYONE left is either a PR, or scum. OMG, amazing.
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Post by miketruk303 on Oct 13, 2017 12:04:16 GMT -8
Fun fact: All the Ordinary Town are dead. EVERYONE left is either a PR, or scum. NO HOLY SHIT that's amazing i need to get gud at this game lmao
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Post by miketruk303 on Oct 13, 2017 12:18:03 GMT -8
I guess I got lynched because of no activity
I've been pretty fucking busy with my new job
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 14, 2017 19:42:22 GMT -8
Well this is going as expected
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Post by heymonkey on Oct 14, 2017 20:51:21 GMT -8
WELP
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Post by absolutbro on Oct 14, 2017 22:28:22 GMT -8
well...
technically it's not over yet
Dusk is still alive, but being NKed tonight.
BUT
Zeusy is still alive, and could protect him tonight (dying in his place)
BUT
The vote block is on Faddy, so IF Zeusy blocks the NK, Dusk can mess with the vote.
Also, Wizard still has one Vigilante kill left. He can take out 1 or 2 players, depending on his target.
It's a complete shot in the dark, but it's not technically over yet. ;_;
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Post by yn on Oct 15, 2017 0:49:30 GMT -8
the joy of running a gafia game
*pats abburo*
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Post by Splinter on Oct 15, 2017 3:39:24 GMT -8
God damn what even happened there?
Why would they not vote Sorian? Seems like they are reliant on their PR's to save them anyway.
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 15, 2017 6:16:20 GMT -8
Sorian's too obviously baiting a vote. Vig should use his last shot on him.
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Post by heymonkey on Oct 15, 2017 8:19:46 GMT -8
Yeah, I've always been skeptical of the discussion around waiting for PRs to save folks because I hadn't seen it firsthand as much as in this game. And it's not so much as actively relying but passively listening when someone claims an informational PR and then letting that guide them. That may be the issue. What's supposed to be a habit of mind - active thought, planning, puzzling - has become an invisible habit of practice in the meta, and if we can't see it when we're doing it, we can't fix it.
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Post by miketruk303 on Oct 15, 2017 8:31:40 GMT -8
Hello Kawl
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