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Post by Sawneeks on May 19, 2017 21:48:10 GMT -8
So I want to give a shout-out to Honorary Scum Buddy Palmer for giving the best Fake Claim out there. <3
Having read over the Day End it's now getting VERY clear who is a PR and who isn't a PR. Any Power Role in this game believed Palmer when he claimed the only Ordinary because, hey, they didn't know any other role in the game so why not believe him? As far as they were aware he was telling the truth and therefore WAS the only Ordinary in the entire game. So when both Dragonz AND BB claim Ordinary towards the end of the Day Phase you get these reactions:
Hey Monkey #606 - "Are you really counterclaiming the probably only vanilla role at day's end?"
Dr. Worm #610 - "is this now just a thing / if it is it's a shitty thing / shitty, shitty, shitty"
Lifeline #612 - "Role madness and so many vanilla claims. If BB is not lying and is lynched. I guess we can agree on Dragonz being next? Also take a close look on who made this BB lynch possible."
Natiko #613 - Votes Palmer, the guy who claimed the only ordinary in the game.
SexyFish #617 - "Can we have 2 vanillas?! / FUCK"
The only ones who DON'T react at Day End towards this is Oreo ( who completely ignores it ) and Isaac. Although Isaac does comment, I just can't make heads or tails of it so it's hard to tell.
But all things considered I think we'd have an EXCELLENT shot at a PR if we killed any of the above players due to their reactions alone. Going back and looking at Palmer's claim it's a little more tough to gauge during that time who is/isn't a PR. For instance, Acohrs kinda side-steps the whole thing, Burb gives a blanket statement, and Sky tries to not discuss PRs in general on Day 1. The only person who I'd say is indicative is Stan who just says he feels Palmer is 'scummy' and votes on him for little-to-no reason, likely because he's Ordinary as well.
So I think we might be looking at: Power Role: Monkey, Worm, Lifeline, Natiko, and SexyFish Possible PR: Acohrs, Darryl, Moonkid, Burb, Oreo, Sky, Palmer, and Isaac Ordinary: Stan, Dragonz, BB
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Post by Blargonaut on May 19, 2017 21:56:04 GMT -8
Sawneeks said:Lifeline said:
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Post by Sawneeks on May 19, 2017 22:08:08 GMT -8
What do you think of Lifeline as cop? Definitely wouldn't throw out the possibility. It is really weird he brought up Godfather out of seemingly nowhere in his analysis. We did bring it up earlier in the game so maybe he decided to Google it and just discovered the Role and assumed it was in play but that still seems like an odd leap in logic to make, not to mention bringing it up WAY after the fact. Roleblock: Lifeline? Kill: would like to remove Darryl since Lifeline kinda does the same analysis and having 2 of them would be tough but I'd be willing to go for a potential PR person too. Depending on who we go for either Blarg can Strong Kill them or I can do the NK since if I get caught my flip won't do much.
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Post by Sawneeks on May 19, 2017 22:10:02 GMT -8
We're a bundle of laughs here in Pineapple Pizza Mafia. Laughs and No Lynches. :c
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Post by Blargonaut on May 19, 2017 22:33:41 GMT -8
* snip* Hey Monkey #606 - "Are you really counterclaiming the probably only vanilla role at day's end?" Dr. Worm #610 - "is this now just a thing / if it is it's a shitty thing / shitty, shitty, shitty" Lifeline #612 - "Role madness and so many vanilla claims. If BB is not lying and is lynched. I guess we can agree on Dragonz being next? Also take a close look on who made this BB lynch possible." Natiko #613 - Votes Palmer, the guy who claimed the only ordinary in the game. SexyFish #617 - "Can we have 2 vanillas?! / FUCK" The only ones who DON'T react at Day End towards this is Oreo ( who completely ignores it ) and Isaac. Although Isaac does comment, I just can't make heads or tails of it so it's hard to tell. * snip* So I think we might be looking at: Power Role: Monkey, Worm, Lifeline, Natiko, and SexyFish Possible PR: Acohrs, Darryl, Moonkid, Burb, Oreo, Sky, Palmer, and Isaac Ordinary: Stan, Dragonz, BB interesting take-away I'd say that instead of gunning for the Powers, say we shoot for one of the "Ordinary" ones on your list there: Stan, Dragonz or BlackBuzzard. The sooner a real Ordinary flips, the sooner "Ordinary" Palmer's exposed for more pressuring, right? So I'd say we kill BlackBuzzard Tonight-- BUT ...this being alleged Role Madness, it's in our best we thin the PR herd ASAP, so I concede and in fact suggest we kill SexyFish Tonight. Also, BB bruised himself with that last-minute Ordinary claim; best we leave him be so he can catch heat for that without our intervention. Same goes for WAMD, IMO; although, I myself have a gut feeling she's a Power Role. To me, WAMD's been playing more tentative this game. Guarded, even So, for us at present, it's best we Night-kill someone who's relatively isolated in terms of others' reads (as SexyFish is), is suspected of being a PR (as you do) and has some light connection to us that must be severed (my self-attachment to him as my "read team" partner, and Sawneeks being the only vote against him Yesterday). Such a "distant" NK will focus the scope of this game in favour of talkative heavyweights rather than put it into the hands of the quieter ones whose natural enemies are the loud. This made sense in my head SexyFish is both on your suspected PR list AND my list of people who participated in the "read teams" plan. A NK of SexyFish will hopefully truth your suspicion and also leave me as the "sole authority" on hey_monkey and Dr. Worm reads as per my arbitrary pairings. Yes, I say we Night-kill SexyFish Tonight. anyway, who's doing the NK for us?
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Post by Blargonaut on May 19, 2017 22:42:46 GMT -8
I advise that our very own Godfather 30yearsofhurt personally execute the NK Tonight
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Post by Sawneeks on May 19, 2017 22:43:01 GMT -8
I think with this Day End shenanigans afoot that people will be more apt to focus on all those Ordinary claims and how it caused a tie. Lifeline is gonna gun for WAMD again and keep making teams upon teams and everyone is going to turn to Palmer and go 'yo what the fuck though' after getting counter-claimed twice, although it might take a real Ordinary flipping to get that like you said. Could see WAMD or BB getting lynched tomorrow tho if we believe in the heart of the cards and Town's tendency to tunnel.
I agree with a SexyFish NK though. Killing the quiet players and just let Town become loud and overpower themselves is a solid plan instead of making them quieter by killing the loud ones. His isolated nature too really helps like you pointed out.
If we agree on SexyFish I think we might be fine saving a Strongman Shot unless we think we have a Doctor on him/he's BP. I'd be okay with making the Kill if we wanted to save it or we could still have Blarg do the NK, just strongman-less.
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Post by Sawneeks on May 19, 2017 22:45:02 GMT -8
oops, blarg you post 2 fast for me
why have 30 do it though? He helped tie the vote, if anything I could see a Town Tracker or a Roleblocker/Jailer on him tonight because of it.
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Post by 30yearsofhurt on May 20, 2017 0:39:21 GMT -8
Good point. Though Blarg will naturally be suspected.
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Post by Swamped on May 20, 2017 2:14:42 GMT -8
I'm good with killing SexyFish and RBing LL.
And very nice analysis over there Saw. It's why I didn't want to react to the claims, especially if I need to claim ordinary in the future.
Also, if any of your town personas found the day end votes suspicious, remember to call it out! You can even vote for me.
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Post by 30yearsofhurt on May 20, 2017 6:13:12 GMT -8
So who going to do it?
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Post by Swamped on May 20, 2017 8:08:08 GMT -8
Hmmm I think Sawneeks could do the kill? I feel she's the least likely to get followed (by a Tracker). And if she is, well, she has the self-erasing power if she flips. Casting doubt on the person who claimed she did the kill.
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Post by Swamped on May 20, 2017 9:11:10 GMT -8
If we want to play it safe Blarg is also a good option. We don't know if SexyFish is BP. He's a newish player so i wouldn't expect him to play like he had BP.
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Post by Sawneeks on May 20, 2017 13:58:55 GMT -8
Kill: SexyFish
With Blarg not really in the crossfire for a lynch I think we'd be safe keeping a Strongman shot for later use. If SexyFish is BP, well, better to have a failed kill early than later on. :x
Although Blarg/30, if you guys feel like you need to submit the Kill instead that's fine with me. I'm only submitting it now because I'm going to be busy until Day Start tomorrow but I'll check in close to the deadline.
also for some reason my gut says there's a Jailer in this game and it might be on me. pretty sure that's scum paranoia talking but hey
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Post by Sophia on May 20, 2017 15:00:43 GMT -8
Command received.
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Post by Swamped on May 20, 2017 18:29:52 GMT -8
TASTY: Lifeline
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Post by Sophia on May 20, 2017 18:50:53 GMT -8
Command received. You have until two hours before day start to change anything.
Current commands: KILL: SexyFish ROLEBLOCK: Lifeline
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Post by Blargonaut on May 20, 2017 22:35:22 GMT -8
Hmmm I think Sawneeks could do the kill? I feel she's the least likely to get followed (by a Tracker). And if she is, well, she has the self-erasing power if she flips. Casting doubt on the person who claimed she did the kill. hmm. Although to me, Sawneeks, being D1's visibly analytical-type player, would more than likely attract Tracker et al. Tonight IMO... the mindshare is there true about the self-erase pro, but 1-out-of-4-scum Sawneeks casting shade on the 1/16? lone PR that took her out, that's kinda a 0.78~1.22 pyrrhic benefit for us according to my team-based calculations I BELIEVE it's risky for Sawneeks to kill Tonight I mean, I'd do the kill myself but you know ...I'm of the mind to advise 30years to do it 'cause he's immune to Investigative Roles anyway; and, if a Tracker somehow does catch him out Tonight, you 30years can explain that away, by claiming you were Jailed by some stranger on N1 hence your Night-movement on N1 (this being under the assumption that when provoked to Role-claim, you'll claim as a powerless Ordinary, 30). Then, eventually Sawneeks can come forth and claim to be your Jailor. If the heat rises on Sawneeks and she's voted out, then her self-erasure kicks in and you 30years are still left in the clear. GAF-Town has precedent for not BELIEVING in scum pulling off outrageously scandalous strategies; GAF-Town ALWAYS assumes scum to be overtly-cautious protective cowards EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. They'll NEVER BELIEVE, that 2 scum could collaborate in the open like you 2 could like this. And with Sawneeks' self-erasure as your failsafe? NEVER.
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Post by Blargonaut on May 20, 2017 22:40:32 GMT -8
In any case, I agree with the Lifeline Roleblock
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 1:06:23 GMT -8
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 1:07:12 GMT -8
about who should NK I mean
not about the Roleblock
I'm cool with the Roleblock
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Post by 30yearsofhurt on May 21, 2017 3:01:43 GMT -8
Well I'm okay with that. Any objections?
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Post by Swamped on May 21, 2017 3:54:59 GMT -8
I actually do kinda like Blarg's plan. However, if a tracker plays perfectly they should follow their scum reads. And i don't think Saw is high on anyone's list. That's why I thought she would be the last riskiest. What do you think?
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Post by 30yearsofhurt on May 21, 2017 3:58:00 GMT -8
Well I'm going to do it. I have to go to bed now. If you guys change your minds just redo it.
[highlight]Kill: Sexyfish[/highlight]
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Post by 30yearsofhurt on May 21, 2017 3:59:08 GMT -8
Kill SexyFish
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 4:11:34 GMT -8
Now I'm even more anxious
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 4:20:46 GMT -8
Maybe Sawneeks just stood out to me more D1 because our scum connection? That's probably all it is, of course
Maybe hurt's in danger now that you've listened to me
Maybe you shouldn't
I have a history of making scum play pro-Town, you know
beware, team
Be wary
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 4:25:39 GMT -8
I'm sure it will be fine.
I bet half of the alleged PRs are targeting me Tonight anyways, yeah
You've all got nothing to worry about with me around
I am strong, I can take it
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 4:40:41 GMT -8
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Post by Blargonaut on May 21, 2017 4:41:49 GMT -8
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