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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 21, 2017 14:19:44 GMT -8
I'm worried about you getting lynched. If your flip as a bad guy is discovered, that will change the perception of things dramatically. It could directly involve me. Same could happen if I flip today, too. It's a worrying position.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 21, 2017 14:57:12 GMT -8
I'm not gonna be online for the rest of the day, so I won't be able to hammer the vote if one of them (accidentally) votes on someone else.
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Post by natiko on Feb 21, 2017 17:16:29 GMT -8
Duly noted. Work getting busy and my grandma being in the hospital has drastically impacted my ability to make arguments and do multiquoting the last couple day phases so if this all falls apart I'll take the blame lol
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 0:01:02 GMT -8
Seems that Sorian's gonna be wanting the FA claim from you real soon to be able to analyze it and probably attempt to substantiate why he will be voting for you later on in the day phase.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 5:57:37 GMT -8
Next post I'll claim. Final chance to share thoughts - backup one shot investigator, vanilla, or something else?
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 5:59:01 GMT -8
Or town roleblocker lol
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 6:55:47 GMT -8
Can't be vanilla with the FA of not being able to name claim. The Backup Investigator (you mean alignment cop, right?) sounds convoluted. I'd probably just go for roleblocker, since that's as much a townie role as it is scum.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 7:10:25 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure it'll get my lynched since they already think a roleblock on Kark is why he died. I'll say two shot, who and when did I use them on?
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 7:31:47 GMT -8
Oh right, Karkador supposedly died because of being roleblocked. If you claim roleblocker, they'll narrow down on that, and there can't really be two roleblockers... Heh, tough situation you're in.
I think the main problem is that FA. Claiming vanilla would be the safest bet, though maybe not now that it's been so long and two people have already done that.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 7:52:21 GMT -8
Okay three choices. Going to do full posts for the examples:
Sorry, I guess I missed where Sorian wanted me to claim. My FA is I cannot name claim. I cannot discuss my role due to this. I cannot say anything that alludes to what my name can be.
Sorry, I guess I missed where Sorian wanted me to claim. My FA is I cannot name claim. My role is Backup Alignment Cop. My PM told me I would be unable to take my spot until the right moment. After Terra died I received a PM telling me I had a one shot command to check someone's alignment. I checked Sorian's N1 and got no result. That's why I wasn't really convinced of his claim D2 but once he further claimed D3 it made more sense. I didn't reveal since no result didn't actually tell us anything, though now it seems either Sorian is lying or I got roleblocked.
Sorry, I guess I missed where Sorian wanted me to claim. My FA is I cannot name claim. My role is Watcher. I watched Sorian N1 and got no result. I watched Star every night after and the only night I got a result was N2 when I was told Royal visited her. I figured she would attract scum at some point but thus far no luck:
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 8:04:21 GMT -8
#1 is suspicious as all hell. I was gonna type "especially since we've had kingkitty who had to stay mum concerning his FA, because of his FA," but the fact that you can say it's name claim does at least imply the info that you're a power role. I wonder how this would be taken by others. Sorian wouldn't like it, for sure. I would ask you some superficial question about it. Might go ignored by others, but I'm not sure what Ty4on would say.
#2... hm, I kinda like it, but the problem comes from revealing it so late, especially when Sorian's become a point of discussion as a potential lynch target. Could work, though. I need to go back to check, but who did we actually roleblock on N1? Anyways, another issue for this one is what the limiting factor of "not being able to name claim" is. You can fully disclose your power role and discuss it, so who even cares about what kind of "Ultimate" you are? I don't think we had a role name investigator, right? So it seems way more artificial of an FA + PR duo than others, and Sorian might pick up on that.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 8:08:23 GMT -8
#3 is weird. Same problems as #2 regarding how the FA relates to the PR. I wonder if you would actually get a notice of Royal visiting anyone when he was killed by us on N2? Or, in a weirder scenario, you would get a notice of two people visiting StarSketch because of Royal visiting her, and then the scum player visiting Royal? Not sure how this role works, and it probably changes game to game.
It's an interesting one, though. And a good excuse for just checking Star all the time, since the expectation would be that she would have eventually been night killed.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 8:12:43 GMT -8
Yeah one the idea would be that the FA makes it hard for me to claim vanilla because if I say that I'll be alluding to my name and mod killed.
Two I could still just argue that I had no sure idea of what happened since I didn't get a result and that when I asked for further clarification from Crim he would not say anything further.
Three I think I would still see the action as they all take place simultaneously and generally I don't think it chains so I would not see the Flush killer.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 8:23:36 GMT -8
Alright, so the justification for your FA would be that you couldn't falsely claim as vanilla, since that would imply a role name and get you killed. And if you had claimed your FA earlier, that would have implied you being a Power Role. Got it, that sounds good.
I guess divulging #2's information with your claim makes sense and saying that you kept quiet because it didn't really inform anything works.
And if that's the standard process for #3, that would work too.
Looked back, we roleblocked Sorian on N1.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 8:27:56 GMT -8
Do or die time then - which do you think sounds most believable or works in our favor most? I want to post it soon. I also have another post ready that I'll wait a bit and post in response to Sorian.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 8:35:00 GMT -8
I guess it's #2 or #3, your call. I think I might go for #2, but I'm not totally sure between that and the other. Might want to quote the post where Sorian is asking you to claim once again before your response, so that it doesn't seem like you're just posting it out of the blue.
Whichever one you pick, make sure it works and sounds like it's actually coming from a townie, and not someone posing themselves as one, heh. I probably won't be able to come to your defense if any inconsistencies come up, so make it a good one.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 8:52:03 GMT -8
Crap, looking back, the one thing I'm hesitant about in your post is how you apologize to Sorian for supposedly having missed the first time he prodded. I wonder if it would have been better to go with the appearance of acknowledging how he had asked for it at first, but simply decided of your own volition that now was the right time to do it as discussion didn't seem to be going anywhere.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 8:53:41 GMT -8
To be fair I haven't been reading all the posts closely so it's not a lie per se.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 9:13:28 GMT -8
Also don't be afraid to bus me if you can't get Ty and Star to turn on Sorian. I'm hoping they'll decide Sorian and I are the scum team.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -8
Right, we need one mislynch... Got it, though it'd obviously be best if we could do this without the sacrifice. If one of us had to go, do you think it would be better for me to die or for you to?
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 9:45:22 GMT -8
Definitely me. I'm far more suspicious I think. I've laid some groundwork for further pushing against Sorian if I die. Just kill whichever of Ty and Star seems less likely to vote for Sorian if I get lynched today. Sorian does have a history of bussing teammates.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 9:47:30 GMT -8
Don't get me wrong I'll bus you if the opportunity shows up since I have my crosshairs on you, but I don't think that's the way today will go.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 15:22:10 GMT -8
Huh, seems like a lucky twist of fate that you didn't need to use the convenient excuse of being roleblocked, as you supposedly "guessed" Sorian's role correctly as an odd night commuter. I don't know if you should engage with this particular tidbit, though. Still can't tell if he's lying or telling the truth.
Still, though, it seems your role claim is being taken pretty well.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 15:49:03 GMT -8
Heh, perfect. I'm happy we deliberated on your claim there, it turned out to be the perfect one. Good...
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 16:50:40 GMT -8
Now to just see if we can convince one of them to vote on the other lol
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 21:53:32 GMT -8
So if someone votes for someone other than us two tomorrow, do we hammer it or not? If the strat is that we should, we need to ensure that both of us are present at the same time and that we post at the exact same time, to prevent "gotcha" shenanigans like what happened at the end of the Persona mafia.
I've seen this strategy get messed up twice in two different games I was in, so I'm kind of reluctant to do so. Even if we made sure we were both there at the same time, things can get pretty nuts in those volatile situations. Might be best to just let it go through its natural course at the end of the day? The issue is that things still seem pretty nebulous, and you've been the main subject of discussion for a while now.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 21:56:31 GMT -8
Ha, great. Interesting move by Sorian there. Alright, imma try something out.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 21:57:04 GMT -8
Do NOT turbo me yourself, obviously.
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Post by natiko on Feb 22, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -8
I'm in bed so I'll leave this to unfold some as it will. Good luck lol
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 22, 2017 22:03:16 GMT -8
Actually, I don't even know what I was thinking there, but I couldn't just do nothing to his vote. I guess he's hoping that scum would have the natural inclination to hammer if a vote was on someone, and if they're not doing it, that's proof that I'm one of them. It's an interesting ploy he's going for. Might mean Sorian will have to be the one to go, or I will at the end of this day phase. That's not promising, 'cause then you might bite it during the subsequent day phase.
It's gonna be weird.
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