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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 5, 2016 14:47:20 GMT -8
Kyan: 10€
Sawneeks: $0
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 5, 2016 14:47:45 GMT -8
Now that Topo flipped Town does this change your other Scum reads at all? quoting so it doesn't get lost because of the new page
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 6, 2016 8:36:56 GMT -8
Topo was rather disconnected from everyone, thanks to his play. It does not really change things as much as it makes me doubt the validity of my own reads.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 6, 2016 8:38:21 GMT -8
What do you think of the Godfather thing?
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 6, 2016 12:56:55 GMT -8
Pretty much the same as what I said in the thread.
I still read Salva as Scum thanks to his weird vote hoping, the weirdest reads list I've seen in the game, and his one defense the last Day phase being 'Splinter tunneled me why would I be Scum' because a bussing strategy could totally be in play. Remember, Scum had Night 0 to start the game and formulate a game plan, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to think they decided to try something crazy. Splinter trying to bus his own Godfather teammate would be a strong play and works out well for both outcomes. Either Splinter lynches Scum and everyone sees him as Town or the Cop checks the Godfather and clears the situation, lynches Scum Splinter, and the Godfather gets the all-clear for being bussed by the bad guys.
However a Godfather in this set up is INCREDIBLY situational and might not even be needed if Scum won the Cell Phone. And seeing as the Cop was a Weak Cop it's not like we could have found the entire Scum Team from 1 role, meaning Star hitting the Godfather was a fairly low chance of actually happening and it would make the role fairly useless.
So seeing as he was cleared by Star I don't have much ground for my feeling. My gut says he is Scum but if Star was able to clear him that's why I think a Godfather could be in play.
I'm not fully willing to throw the idea out just based on Salva's actions alone but I do agree with OA that before we go lynching Salva it would be best to find the other 2 first just in case there isn't actually a Godfather.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 6, 2016 13:13:37 GMT -8
call me crazy but I'm not feeling this Nin lynch right now. It's a gut feeling atm but CM is more interesting than Nin.
He HAS been acting weird but
i don't know
it feels genuine? like that's just what he does?
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 6, 2016 16:00:20 GMT -8
CM, Stan, and Nin/Salva.
that or it's you/Kark/OA
CornBro still hasn't struck me as Scummy.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 6, 2016 23:34:55 GMT -8
Pretty much the same as what I said in the thread. I still read Salva as Scum thanks to his weird vote hoping, the weirdest reads list I've seen in the game, and his one defense the last Day phase being 'Splinter tunneled me why would I be Scum' because a bussing strategy could totally be in play. Remember, Scum had Night 0 to start the game and formulate a game plan, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to think they decided to try something crazy. Splinter trying to bus his own Godfather teammate would be a strong play and works out well for both outcomes. Either Splinter lynches Scum and everyone sees him as Town or the Cop checks the Godfather and clears the situation, lynches Scum Splinter, and the Godfather gets the all-clear for being bussed by the bad guys. However a Godfather in this set up is INCREDIBLY situational and might not even be needed if Scum won the Cell Phone. And seeing as the Cop was a Weak Cop it's not like we could have found the entire Scum Team from 1 role, meaning Star hitting the Godfather was a fairly low chance of actually happening and it would make the role fairly useless. So seeing as he was cleared by Star I don't have much ground for my feeling. My gut says he is Scum but if Star was able to clear him that's why I think a Godfather could be in play. I'm not fully willing to throw the idea out just based on Salva's actions alone but I do agree with OA that before we go lynching Salva it would be best to find the other 2 first just in case there isn't actually a Godfather. While bussing and godfathers could be possible, I do not think either is real. Too complicated when there are simpler explanations to the situations. Godfather contradicts the idea that everyone is a ordinary, but seeing as we haven't seen more than one scum flip, yeah, there is nothing to say that it isn't true. I must say that I much more prefer to prove that something exists than proving that a thing does not exist. Even if godfather was in the game from the start, it is like you say, completely situational. How would the price mechanic even make sense if scum had abilities and still competed with town for their abilities?
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 6, 2016 23:36:10 GMT -8
CM, Stan, and Nin/Salva. that or it's you/Kark/OA CornBro still hasn't struck me as Scummy. Are those trios exact or could it be a mix of the two?
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 9:21:14 GMT -8
I don't know but there has to be some balance somewhere for the Scum team. Unless they were always guaranteed a spot in the game at Night it would be incredibly one sided for Town when it came to Night PRs.
And no, the trios are not exact. I can see some variation involving OA and 2 from the first group or even you, OA, and somebody from group 1. That is just how it's currently grouped for me.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 9:26:42 GMT -8
What do you think of this push for OA all the sudden? Do you think Scum would be this blatant in pushing for OA over Nin in an attempt to save him?
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -8
Huh it is just you and me who haven't voted yet. As a topic OA is ages old and this seems like a desperate reach to me. I wonder if Corn will jump on OA.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 9:52:13 GMT -8
oh stanley as well all these vote changes confuse me
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 9:54:58 GMT -8
no original thought was correct fuck me
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:05:09 GMT -8
OCEANIC holy hell how am i so damn blind this is amazing i do not know how to count to nine apparently
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:27:12 GMT -8
...
what.
did you mean to post that here
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:28:57 GMT -8
yes
i am tired and i tried to mentally count the players in the game
it did not work out well
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:32:18 GMT -8
With Nin just giving up like this I'm still unsure on voting for him. If he is Scum he is probably getting bussed by at least 1 or both of his teammates. Stan's vote felt like a bus actually :x oh stanley as well all these vote changes confuse me no original thought was correct fuck me ? these confused me
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:36:28 GMT -8
yeah that is just me rambling, nothing deeper. for some reason i thought stanley did not have a vote yet, then bothered to find the vote and saw he had voted and then somehow thought that 3+2 was 6. some hours later i then bothered to open up my vote sheet and then noticed that 3+2+2 was 8, not 9.
i am lazy, i know.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:47:37 GMT -8
why do you still want to lynch Nin?
like
He has given up at this point. What does his flip give us? Like I agree he has been acting Scummy but even you said yourself that Nin voting with Splinter would be weird if they were on a team.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:49:19 GMT -8
well who else
let's do a final minute turnaround those go so well
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:49:55 GMT -8
Quick CM vote. Let's do it.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:52:29 GMT -8
hey that's how we got scum in Harry Potter mafia
let's be huge assholes and do it.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:53:01 GMT -8
I'm also joking btw
my scum read on cm isn't confident at all.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 12:55:27 GMT -8
I did not read HP. I generally do find games that I do not play in very hard to focus on. But yes, final minute switches are stupid and anti-town as hell.
nin is the only suspicious candidate out there. It is troubling that the alternatives to him are Oceanic and Kark.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 12:57:35 GMT -8
Only suspicious candidate? What happened to your Scum team of CornBro and Stan?
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -8
Candidate as in people with votes on them. I think Kark and Oceanic are town. Opinion votes amount to nothing at this point, the fact that Corn put one down just makes me more suspicious of him.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 7, 2016 13:02:02 GMT -8
Well, that's Day End.
probably should have put my possible final thoughts in but work keeps getting in the way. :c
$10 on me btw
Doubt Scum go after anyone else other than the 2 confirmed players.
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 13:03:00 GMT -8
betting before seeing nin flip
bold
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Post by kyanrute on Sept 7, 2016 13:03:18 GMT -8
10€ for salva, same logic
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