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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 10, 2016 8:32:14 GMT -8
Squidy's comment basically told Mensis who everyone else is anyway, if they're not someone in here.
I think I should just fully claim at this point.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 10, 2016 8:33:49 GMT -8
Should crimson and I come clean? I really do not like squidy right now. Depends. I assume that if crimson dies, this chat will poof out of existence. If that is the case, I don't think you guys should come forward, better to stay safe hiding. Also, after Squidyj revealed two chat members got converted, it doesn't take an master degree for mensis to figure out who is in this chat. Maybe we can catch someone slipping up? And I still read squidyj as a townie mostly because of his vote behaviour. He is just tunneled on me a bit for some reason.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 10, 2016 8:38:12 GMT -8
I actually don't know what happens to the chat if I die. I assumed that normally they stay active.
I'll PM Scrafty and ask.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 10, 2016 9:25:10 GMT -8
Got confirmation. Gossip will remain open even if I die.
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 10, 2016 10:29:36 GMT -8
Truth be told, I'm just mad that squidy doesn't bother posting in here. He wouldn't have even needed to do that stupid "preemptive post" If he just answered one of my questions.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 10, 2016 14:48:32 GMT -8
Truth be told, I'm just mad that squidy doesn't bother posting in here. He wouldn't have even needed to do that stupid "preemptive post" If he just answered one of my questions. The only post of value he made was him being ok with the plan.... Which turned out to be a lie...... -_-
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Post by squidyj on Jul 10, 2016 16:07:36 GMT -8
Gee, in a private chat of three people, two of which I've never found to be townie, why would I possibly lie during a night phase?
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Post by squidyj on Jul 10, 2016 16:07:52 GMT -8
with*
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 10, 2016 16:31:37 GMT -8
Gee, in a private chat of three people, two of which I've never found to be townie, why would I possibly lie during a night phase? I'll ask again:why do you not trust us?
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 10, 2016 18:09:42 GMT -8
Roy I don't understand his distrust, but maybe that's just because I've been converted too so I know that it's harmless, at least insofar at the PM makes it out to be.
Magnum, I could build a bit of a case against based on a couple of things in here, but I don't think it's an especially strong one:
a) You initially suggested inviting Weemad, who later flipped scum. Although scum would also probably only want one member in the gossip chat, to evesdrop on town gambits/suspicions/roleclaims, so if Magnum was scum, you probably wouldn't suggest inviting another scum.
b) Palmer died after hinting at having an investigative role in here. Although again, as I said in the thread, Palmer was a perfectly logical kill that night anyway, so that offsets my suspicion there.
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 10, 2016 18:50:19 GMT -8
Roy I don't understand his distrust, but maybe that's just because I've been converted too so I know that it's harmless, at least insofar at the PM makes it out to be. Magnum, I could build a bit of a case against based on a couple of things in here, but I don't think it's an especially strong one: a) You initially suggested inviting Weemad, who later flipped scum. Although scum would also probably only want one member in the gossip chat, to evesdrop on town gambits/suspicions/roleclaims, so if Magnum was scum, you probably wouldn't suggest inviting another scum. b) Palmer died after hinting at having an investigative role in here. Although again, as I said in the thread, Palmer was a perfectly logical kill that night anyway, so that offsets my suspicion there. yeah, I was wrong about weemad at first,but I was one of the few people that strongly pushed to lynch weemad instead of haly on day three.
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 11, 2016 17:45:50 GMT -8
Squidy if you still read this thread, I just want you to know that scum probably won't kill me now that you told them you want me dead. Smart scum would keep suspicious townies alive.
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Post by squidyj on Jul 11, 2016 20:16:54 GMT -8
I wasn't talking to scum. I was talking to freak.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 12, 2016 2:32:01 GMT -8
Magnum, since it is likely chair will shoot you tonight, any final reads you want to give?
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 12, 2016 8:40:52 GMT -8
Zipped, maybe camjo. Worst case scenarios are kalor and freak. Freak is the least likely, since his vote records is clean for the most part. Kalor's as well, but both of his votes for healing church came at the tail end of their lynchings especially his vote on versions which was just "vote:verelios". There is a small possibility that kalor is scum that bussed his teammates.
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jul 12, 2016 8:41:38 GMT -8
*verelios
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Post by squidyj on Jul 15, 2016 22:37:44 GMT -8
so uhh, anything to report?
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 16, 2016 2:26:21 GMT -8
so uhh, anything to report? Other then extreme surprise flame was actually mensis and not HC? No. Well, some current thoughts I currently have: - This part of flame's role pm: was not in the other mensis role pm's. I think when camjo mentioned that they could technically achieve their win condition with all of them dead, scrafty and retro realized that this was actually true and an oversight and quickly add that part. - I think there is one HC left and no mensis. If there was still a mensis left, that would mean we had 8 scum in a 24 player game with also 1 neutral. 9 non-town in a 24 player game seems insane. Not likely imo. - If we assume that, that gives a total of 16 town players. We know about 3 town pr for sure: cop, vigilante and tracker. Chair is basically confirmed town so that makes 4. 6-7 town pr on a town of 16 seems good. That makes me think both crimson and vanguard are speaking the truth. Crimson especially since I assume the last HC member is the hidden partner and a hidden partner that also has a gossip chat is a bit weird. Vanguard has a bit sketchy results as the doc, but if he is lying, he is now kinda in a crappy position. Chair is basically confirmed town, but him dying would look really bad on vanguard. Scum really needs to kill chair soon, since he is not only confirmed town, but can even stop scum from winning as long as he lives. If vangaurd is really the doc, i see him dying soon. - That leaves zipped, camjo and you left. I still am pretty confident you are town, so it will go between zipped and camjo. Zipped has a very bad voting record never voting for HC. Camjo did push for weemad, but that never lead to their lynch. If I go with my gut, I say camjo is the final HC.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 16, 2016 3:12:38 GMT -8
If there's one HC left, we have two days left, if there's two, tomorrow is MYLO.
I want this roleblocker to claim tomorrow. If there really is one and they're town, they could clear quite a few people if there's really only one HC left. They'd still get another block tomorrow night too. If there isn't one/they're scum, Vanguard not being blocked after claiming is pretty weird.
I went back through Squidy's day 1, but his push on Ri'Orius was strong enough that I don't think he's HC, same with how early Roy was on that vote.
As odd as an unlimited shot vig surviving until endgame is, Kris, Mazre and Flame's flips do pretty much confirm Freak as town. Guess he could be a SK too, but his play makes no sense if that's the case.
So between Camjo and Zipped, I'm leaning more towards Zipped right now. Although never voting for HC with how much people tend to bus in these games.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 16, 2016 9:46:00 GMT -8
Some more thinking out loud:
Assuming 1 kill per night, 1 HC left:
day 8: 6 people alive -> if we misslynch: day 9: 4 people alive -> mylo situation unless chair is still alive at this point (which is not something we should count on).
However, if chair shoots someone on night 8, even if he hits town again, that would make day 9 a lylo with 3 people alive, and an extra suspicious people removed from the game. That is a much better situation then the 4 person mylo if he doesn't shoot.
If we assume 2 HC left:
day 8: 6 people alive -> mylo. If we misslynch: day 9: 4 people alive -> we lose, unless chair is still alive at this point (still not something we should count on).
In this case, the only way to not lose at the start of day 9 is if chair shoots a scum during the night, which created the 3 people lylo situation again.
Looking at this, if we misslynch tomorrow, chair should ALWAYS shoot someone during night 8 if we think there are no more mensis players left.
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Post by squidyj on Jul 16, 2016 11:25:54 GMT -8
you really don't think you'd be notified about turning back?
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Post by Retro on Jul 16, 2016 12:00:38 GMT -8
- This part of flame's role pm: was not in the other mensis role pm's. I think when camjo mentioned that they could technically achieve their win condition with all of them dead, scrafty and retro realized that this was actually true and an oversight and quickly add that part. This has been the case the entire game. I'm not sure why it wasn't in the flips for the other players, because it was in the Role PMs when they went out.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 16, 2016 12:15:36 GMT -8
you really don't think you'd be notified about turning back? I didn't got notified when I lost my blackmail in Phoenix wright. That game also didn't announce it when the scum team was completely gone. Could be the same case here.
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Post by squidyj on Jul 18, 2016 10:30:02 GMT -8
I'm vanilla but I want to maybe try to take a bullet for freak if I can. at least set up the possibility.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 18, 2016 11:20:00 GMT -8
I'm vanilla but I want to maybe try to take a bullet for freak if I can. at least set up the possibility. I guess you could always try, doubt it is going to work though. Scum really, REALLY needs to kill freakingchair, if chair is still alive tomorrow, they can literally not win. It will be a 3 person lylo situation, the 2 not chair people will probably immediately vote on each other. Then either chair A) picks correctly, town wins! or B) picks wrong, we are going into the night, chair and scum kill each other, it's a tie. There is no situation where scum can win in that case.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 18, 2016 11:40:13 GMT -8
Scum may be roleblocker though, in which case they don't need to kill him. At least if they can block and kill at the same time, which they usually can when there's only one left.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 18, 2016 11:49:52 GMT -8
Scum may be roleblocker though, in which case they don't need to kill him. At least if they can block and kill at the same time, which they usually can when there's only one left. No such thing was mentioned in the previous scum pm's, so if that suddenly is the case that would be super weird.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 18, 2016 12:00:19 GMT -8
Scum may be roleblocker though, in which case they don't need to kill him. At least if they can block and kill at the same time, which they usually can when there's only one left. No such thing was mentioned in the previous scum pm's, so if that suddenly is the case that would be super weird. Their other roles which flipped have been killing roles (hunting for Kris, Strongman). Such a detail would be irrelevant.
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Post by Roytheone on Jul 18, 2016 12:11:13 GMT -8
No such thing was mentioned in the previous scum pm's, so if that suddenly is the case that would be super weird. Their other roles which flipped have been killing roles (hunting for Kris, Strongman). Such a detail would be irrelevant. That kind of inconsistency in their role pm's would be really dumb. Plus, it is also mentioned in riorus his pm and he could become an investigator of some kind.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jul 18, 2016 13:21:06 GMT -8
Squidy, you asked for my role name to base your fake claim on?
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