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Post by Flush on May 1, 2016 14:28:41 GMT -8
Keep in mind that we don't know what the banana does. My PM explicitly states that the receiver will be informed they got a banana, that its effect is unknown and that I have to target every living player once before I can give it to somebody a second time. It also says it's a compulsory action. These are indicators for me that it's not just a simple roleblock. I would like to know what it does.
Given, from a strategy POV it would be smarter to target one of us N2 since that would be a typical N1 move, but I don't know... You aren't doing stuff anyway so we might just try it.
What's the point in Zipped not using his action? If his target doesn't get killed there is no reason to assume his night action is Scum aligned.
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Post by Gorlak on May 1, 2016 23:09:12 GMT -8
I didn't know you have to target everyone. So you can later claim being a neutral cowlicker role at least. Just to be clear, you have to give the item each night and the receiver automatically uses it. This made me believe it's a roleblock and I still believe your restrictions were just implemented to balance the game. Zipped's action would be a shot in the dark and more useful later, if he survives longer. We could however follow Flame and see if he does anything. We could track anyone else too, maybe Kawl or even cabot to be sure about him? And Flush don't go for the fluff and cabot tomorrow. HP was comparable. And as Sorian said fluff is fluff, nothing we can deduce from it.
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 2:28:11 GMT -8
The thing is I'm not sure if Zipped will stay with us forever...
The thing is: If I was Town, giving out a banana with unknown effects who would I target? Probably someone I think is Town but don't think has a PR. Who would qualify as such? Cabot? (Scum-me thinks he has a PR, Town-me tried to bait Scum into killing him, so he at least didn't think it at start of D1)
I like following Flame.
Okay-ish kill options would be nukedeggs or Sophia: Many Town reads and very unlikely to get protected.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 3:01:31 GMT -8
If we think flame is a gossip then tracking him tonight is a good idea. He will use his ability every night like clockwork.
I just don't want to waste my 2-shots in the first two nights when we really only have guess' son who has a role.
I can track tonight and then take tomorrow off. That way if I get tracked I can cover with the X shot.
Banana to someone that may talk about it. Sophia might, she plays ball with weird roles all the time. But if the banana is a roleblock we want it gone an something, so I think Cabot at that point.
Eggs or Sophia are good kill targets. We want to kill a higher profile person though, so leaning more towards Sophia (if we don't throw a banana at her)
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Post by Gorlak on May 2, 2016 4:48:50 GMT -8
Sophia could get protected, I think. My suggestion:
- zip tracks Flame_AC - flush bananas Sophia If Flush rather wants to give the banana to me, than do so, your call :)
- and we kill nukedeggs not sure about who should kill. Zipped has suspicion on him, do you expect another watcher/tracker role? Risks: Zipped is followed by a tracker or Flush could be seen. I tend to let Zipped do the kill. Because of my lack of powers and Sorian's weird way of letting us use more than one power per person, I should probably not move at all.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 4:57:02 GMT -8
Well, the good news is that most mafia games mafia is only allowed to do action OR kill (until it is down to one mafia player left).
So we can metagame the shit out of that and say "I'm a swapper".
boom. Safety, because mafia can't kill and act in one night...
Have any of the players we got names for been a swapper before?
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Post by Gorlak on May 2, 2016 5:05:35 GMT -8
I only remember myself, TheG and miracle being switchers in mgs/hp (the hp scum switcher was fake, was it?) They are not in the list. But that's a good backup plan. Who would you prefer to do the kill?
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 5:58:10 GMT -8
I have no problem doing the kill myself if we want to help Zipped stay out of trouble. I'm fairly certain I won't get tracked and even if I still have the banana story, so also two targets.
Why do you prefer Sophia over Cabot for the banana?
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 6:08:39 GMT -8
only other switcher/swapper that I can remember was Quantumbro from Game 1, and he is not on the list either.
what other roles touch two people in a night? If we can develop something that makes sense, then we roll with that.
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Post by Gorlak on May 2, 2016 6:27:58 GMT -8
"Town-me tried to bait Scum into killing him, so he at least didn't think it at start of D1" -> so why would you give him the banana if you thought he would be killed, in case it's revealed you're the banana guy. I have to work now :( maybe I can take a peek with my phone, but better not count on it. Track Flame AC Kill nukedeggs and you two decide on the banana thing. That sounds good to me. Let's do this :) <3 Sorian: I do nothing tonight.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 8:18:53 GMT -8
Flush do you want me to put the kill in or do you want to put the kill in?
I will track flame, if only because if he is a gossip We want to know for tomorrow.
Track: Flame_AC
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 8:47:33 GMT -8
bright side! I don't have to sweat waking up dead tomorrow...
*insert vigilante kill*
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Post by Sorian on May 2, 2016 8:53:52 GMT -8
Flush do you want me to put the kill in or do you want to put the kill in? I will track flame, if only because if he is a gossip We want to know for tomorrow. Track: Flame_ACAction Received
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 9:26:06 GMT -8
So kill nuked and banana Sophia?
I will do the kill
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Post by Sorian on May 2, 2016 9:37:29 GMT -8
So kill nuked and banana Sophia? I will do the kill Action received?
Let me know if it changes, writing this down for now.
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 11:40:32 GMT -8
Let's do it that way then.
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Post by palmer on May 2, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -8
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 12:03:36 GMT -8
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 12:13:09 GMT -8
Negative emoji's from the game maker does not bode well for us...
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Post by palmer on May 2, 2016 12:21:18 GMT -8
You'll see soon
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Post by Sorian on May 2, 2016 12:24:27 GMT -8
He's sad because there was one very specific way for the entire scum team to die N1. That seems to have come to pass. These are the jokes everyone, I'll be here all week
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 12:28:20 GMT -8
hahahaha.
If that were true, I would probably die laughing. Seriously, not just a way to lose, but to lose in such a fantastically terrible fashion would put me on the floor in a fit of laughter.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 12:59:32 GMT -8
My target did not visit anyone...
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Post by palmer on May 2, 2016 13:06:53 GMT -8
I was sad that you killed me.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 13:07:51 GMT -8
so squidyj's second point being surprisingly "on-point"...
Yeah, I wonder what Cabot got?
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 13:14:26 GMT -8
I was sad that you killed me. Makes sense, just bad luck this game... so flame_AC is definately not a gossip, he would have done something last night otherwise AND Sophia received a Banana, BUT it doesn't appear to have done anything. So Flush, anything in your role about the banana that may seem weird, anything out of the ordinary. Also, If royal got caught doing two things I have a plan. Say you are Cabot. And in your drunkeness you tend to get two people confused, one you pick (sophia) and one you don't (eggs). Both of them get swapped in your mind, so any actions going towards them get swapped in the party... If I got caught I'll claim Splinter and *insert role (likely 2-shot tracker with real results), but since flame_AC didn't die, I am likely in the clear. Anyone who tracked me wouldn't want to risk killing a doctor/cop
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 13:17:47 GMT -8
sophia getting seduced and banana'd is hilarious.
BUT it tells us two things.
1) that Flush was a woman in the fluff (shouldn't mean anything to players)
2) I don't think we have a "Name" cop in this game. because if fluff is not supposed to mean anything, we can't have a way to tell that it actually does mean anything (a girl gives a banana, and your role reveals that Bananaspaceprincess is a role will basically spoil the whole bunch of bananas). So an alignment cop is more likely.
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 13:18:33 GMT -8
oh and we need to kill or banana cabot tomorrow night...
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Post by Flush on May 2, 2016 13:33:49 GMT -8
so flame_AC is definately not a gossip, he would have done something last night otherwise AND Sophia received a Banana, BUT it doesn't appear to have done anything. The first point is good, that means we can keep him alive until he gets lynched. The second point is interesting. I just should have googled my fucking role. It's literally called "Mafia fruit vendor". So I just assume the banana really does nothing. As Sorian explicitly allowed it, I'll quote the relevant part:
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Post by zippedpinhead on May 2, 2016 13:48:31 GMT -8
banana nomnom... hilarious
I wonder if the banana's truly are no effect, or if they have some sort of random effect.
Because THAT would be really funny
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