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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 13:09:41 GMT -8
Huh.
That's a bit of a surprise. I was certain that StanleyPalmtree was a dead man. Nin1000 was on my list of potential suspects too.
Well, it is safe to say that Stanley is a confirmed member of town at least. Even if he was lying about being a Cop, there is no way a Mafia would sell out their partner like that under these circumstances. Similarly, if FlameAC is mafia now, I will my 3DS. Flame was out for blood yesterday and put a ridiculous amount of pressure on Squidyj.
That leaves SalvaPot and Terrabyte, I suppose. Both were quick to vote on Squidyj once Stanley made his reveal. I suppose that means that the remaining Mafia member was eager to cut his losses and end the day? There is not much to say counter to a Cop claim like that, after all.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 13:11:12 GMT -8
Ugh. Make that "I will eat my 3DS". I don't have a hat, so I couldn't use the stereotypical version of that saying.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 13:17:22 GMT -8
I mean, I kind of agree with you Salva, but I don't think Terra is scum. At least he hasn't led me to think so just yet. If he doesn't come back around and give some reasoning though, it's going to be very suspicious. If you do show up Terra, can you comment on the other people in the spotlight today, Squidy and SkyOdin? Squidy seems like his normal self. This doesn't mean he's town, but he hasn't deviated from his norm. He's a bit of a null read, with an ever so slight hint of scum mixed in. Not enough for me to accuse him, but I wouldn't be opposed to offing him. As for why I voted flame, that is 100% gut. For some reason I just don't like your posts and actions. Nothing is wrong with them that others haven't done, but for some reason I just can't get comfortable with you at the moment. I will admit, however, that It's starting to feel a bit familiar to when I play with Zippedpinhead, and I always feels he's scum then so take that how you will. You conveniently left out yourself SkyOdin There was this post by Terra that I really didn't like. I viewed him as town up until the Squidy switch, but now I think that Terra might have put his vote on me because I was pressuring his teammate. Note how Squidy takes a very inconclusive view of Squidy. Vote: Terrabyte20xx Top suspects for today, to me, are SkyOdin and Terra. I think Salva's push for a non-turbo on Day 1 was telling. SkyOdin, what do you think of Terra? You earlier viewed him as town I believe.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 13:24:20 GMT -8
Also, remember everybody. This is 1 vs 4. Mislynch puts us at 1 vs 3, which means Day 4 is 1 vs 2 - LYLO, I believe.
A no lynch today keeps us at 1 vs 4, night kill makes 1 vs 3 for Day 4. LYLO in this case too, right?
I know I'm bringing it up again, but the math has slightly changed with only one scum left.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 14:15:28 GMT -8
Well, I obviously wouldn't suspect myself! I understand that I am on everyone else's list of suspects though, that's natural.
Since we are bringing up math, let's see here...
We have five people now. If we mislynch today, then the mafia will kill someone else and we will drop down to 2 town and one mafia: Lylo again.
If we choose No lynch, then mafia kills someone at night and we are at 3 town and one mafia: Mylo. We can then no lynch again to end up in Lylo.
So nothing has really changed I guess. Lylo has been delayed a day, but we still have only one mislynch remaining. Now, there is one thing that has changed: we have a cop now. However, it seems like a fool's errand to rely on Stanley and vote for a No Lynch though, since we lost our Doctor and the remaining mafia is both a roleblocker and can kill Stanley at his leisure. So voting for No Lynch is still a trap option.
Now, I will need to go back over the last two Days of activity with this new information before I can really be certain who to suspect. I've been suspicious of SalvaPot quite a bit recently, but Terrabyte has been so quiet that I'v had trouble reading him.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 14:21:40 GMT -8
What are your thoughts on what I said about Terra?
I can't envision a world in which the roleblocker decides not to block Stanley, so there is no real purpose in no lynching I suppose.
Hopefully the others check in with some interesting thoughts for what to do today.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 11, 2016 14:28:27 GMT -8
Squidy seems like his normal self. This doesn't mean he's town, but he hasn't deviated from his norm. He's a bit of a null read, with an ever so slight hint of scum mixed in. Not enough for me to accuse him, but I wouldn't be opposed to offing him. As for why I voted flame, that is 100% gut. For some reason I just don't like your posts and actions. Nothing is wrong with them that others haven't done, but for some reason I just can't get comfortable with you at the moment. I will admit, however, that It's starting to feel a bit familiar to when I play with Zippedpinhead, and I always feels he's scum then so take that how you will. You conveniently left out yourself SkyOdin There was this post by Terra that I really didn't like. I viewed him as town up until the Squidy switch, but now I think that Terra might have put his vote on me because I was pressuring his teammate. Note how Squidy takes a very inconclusive view of Squidy. Vote: Terrabyte20xx Top suspects for today, to me, are SkyOdin and Terra. I think Salva's push for a non-turbo on Day 1 was telling. SkyOdin, what do you think of Terra? You earlier viewed him as town I believe. Oh no, you got me, I was passive aggressively voting you for pressuring my teammate while simultaneously throwing him under the bus in the same post. please tell me, how did you do it? Don't be an idiot, if I wanted to protect Squidy, I wouldn't do so by attacking you, SkyOdin would've been the easier target, esspecially because he had two votes on him already.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 14:46:46 GMT -8
You threw him under the bus? You say "He's a bit of a null read, with an ever so slight hint of scum mixed in. Not enough for me to accuse him, but I wouldn't be opposed to offing him."
Oh no, that bus must be really huge if you say that was an attack on him.
In that circumstance, you pushed me to two votes, two away from majority and I imagine were hoping you could rally some votes on me.
I agree SkyOdin would have been an easier target for you to save Squidy, but in that situation, it would have been a bandwagon vote and would have drawn suspicion to you both.
I think the scum is either you or SkyOdin unless Salva is playing very well. Stanley's not even a question. I'm just starting today by focusing on you.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 11, 2016 15:08:47 GMT -8
You threw him under the bus? You say "He's a bit of a null read, with an ever so slight hint of scum mixed in. Not enough for me to accuse him, but I wouldn't be opposed to offing him." Oh no, that bus must be really huge if you say that was an attack on him. In that circumstance, you pushed me to two votes, two away from majority and I imagine were hoping you could rally some votes on me. I agree SkyOdin would have been an easier target for you to save Squidy, but in that situation, it would have been a bandwagon vote and would have drawn suspicion to you both. I think the scum is either you or SkyOdin unless Salva is playing very well. Stanley's not even a question. I'm just starting today by focusing on you. Then let me aso you a question, why, besides tgat one post, do you think I am scum?
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 15:16:39 GMT -8
I think either you or SkyOdin are scum, thankfully the process of elimination is on our side in this as we're in such a small game.
I'm not scum, Stanley's not.
I don't think Salva is for his actions on Day 1. This leaves you and SkyOdin.
You were also the hammer vote that ended our day early. This indicates game unawareness, eagerness to look good to town. Salva is not off the hook for his vote either though.
I'm going to ask SkyOdin some questions too, but I want to get other's opinion on you as well.
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Post by stanleypalmtree on Apr 11, 2016 17:24:54 GMT -8
i cant believe im still alive, but yeah, i was roleblocked, only received a 'no result'. i have to wonder why though? im practically confirmed town now, which is a big help with so few left. So why kill Nin instead?
anyway, im sure flame is town, and i have a very strong town feeling for odin, so that brings my suspicions to salva and terra. i will be going back through earlier days with this in mind, and hopefully i'll have more to say on the matter later today.
and this should go without saying, but be very careful with your votes people, yesterday ended early due to too many people voting too quickly, the same thing happening today could be disastrous.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 20:02:25 GMT -8
Okay, so I'm thinking about SkyOdin, and I'm trying to rationalize why exactly Nin was killed.
Nin and Salva both had gone for SkyOdin before the Squidy reveal, perhaps this is why?
I don't think it's much to go off of, but it is a little quirky. Seems kind of obvious too.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 20:20:50 GMT -8
So, my top two suspects right now, thanks to a basic process of elimination, are Terrabyte and SalvaPot. Of those two, Terrabyte has come in briefly to defend himself from accusations, while SalvaPot is still a total no-show. I think Salva tends to post a lot later than this though, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. However, SalvaPot has been one of the quiet players all game, and his biggest burst of activity was pursuing a line of logic that I still think might have been a scum gambit. Top suspects for today, to me, are SkyOdin and Terra. I think Salva's push for a non-turbo on Day 1 was telling. SkyOdin, what do you think of Terra? You earlier viewed him as town I believe. This is something that has been bothering me, Flame. What did Salva do to earn so much trust from you? I don't recall him doing anything special on Day 1. The main thing Salva did with his vote was put it on Stanley after Stanley voted for Bronx. The person who won some of my good will in that chain of events was Nin1000 for trying to avoid a turbo on Bronx by temporarily withdrawing his vote. Salva was pretty inactive throughout Day 1. I still wonder why Nin1000 was targeted though. It just feels strange. Sure, at this point it really doesn't matter from a role perspective, since Stanley has been neutralized. However, SalvaPot suggested Nin1000 as a candidate for being Squidyj's partner right before we realized that a hammer had occurred. I was actually inclined to believe that connection at the time, and if Nin1000 had survived, I probably would have been suspicious of him. However, Nin's death ended that theory quite conclusively. I'll need to double-check everyone else's interactions with Squidyj again.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 20:22:11 GMT -8
Okay, so I'm thinking about SkyOdin, and I'm trying to rationalize why exactly Nin was killed. Nin and Salva both had gone for SkyOdin before the Squidy reveal, perhaps this is why? I don't think it's much to go off of, but it is a little quirky. Seems kind of obvious too. Oh god is that the explanation? Am I being framed AGAIN? LOL I just have to laugh at this point. Give me a break Mafia guy.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 11, 2016 20:25:26 GMT -8
By that logic, I think it should be a clear choice for Salva. By killing someone on that train he can frame SkyOdin and by allowing himself to be associated with a confirmed townie, one who had similar thoughts posted at the same time he gains town cred, even if it's subliminal.
Also, I noticed you seem to have written off Salva as scum due to a post advocating no turbo on Day one, but I can't seem to find it.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 11, 2016 20:26:19 GMT -8
My above post was talking to Flame... and I see Sky has noticed the day one thing as well.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 20:27:36 GMT -8
By that logic, I think it should be a clear choice for Salva. By killing someone on that train he can frame SkyOdin and by allowing himself to be associated with a confirmed townie, one who had similar thoughts posted at the same time he gains town cred, even if it's subliminal. Also, I noticed you seem to have written off Salva as scum due to a post advocating no turbo on Day one, but I can't seem to find it. To be fair, you could have framed SalvaPot for the crime of framing me. Crud, we are deep in WIFOM now, aren't we?
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 11, 2016 20:48:00 GMT -8
By that logic, I think it should be a clear choice for Salva. By killing someone on that train he can frame SkyOdin and by allowing himself to be associated with a confirmed townie, one who had similar thoughts posted at the same time he gains town cred, even if it's subliminal. Also, I noticed you seem to have written off Salva as scum due to a post advocating no turbo on Day one, but I can't seem to find it. To be fair, you could have framed SalvaPot for the crime of framing me. Crud, we are deep in WIFOM now, aren't we?INCONCEIVEABLE!!!! Yes
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 21:18:17 GMT -8
So, my top two suspects right now, thanks to a basic process of elimination, are Terrabyte and SalvaPot. Of those two, Terrabyte has come in briefly to defend himself from accusations, while SalvaPot is still a total no-show. I think Salva tends to post a lot later than this though, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. However, SalvaPot has been one of the quiet players all game, and his biggest burst of activity was pursuing a line of logic that I still think might have been a scum gambit. Top suspects for today, to me, are SkyOdin and Terra. I think Salva's push for a non-turbo on Day 1 was telling. SkyOdin, what do you think of Terra? You earlier viewed him as town I believe. This is something that has been bothering me, Flame. What did Salva do to earn so much trust from you? I don't recall him doing anything special on Day 1. The main thing Salva did with his vote was put it on Stanley after Stanley voted for Bronx. The person who won some of my good will in that chain of events was Nin1000 for trying to avoid a turbo on Bronx by temporarily withdrawing his vote. Salva was pretty inactive throughout Day 1. I still wonder why Nin1000 was targeted though. It just feels strange. Sure, at this point it really doesn't matter from a role perspective, since Stanley has been neutralized. However, SalvaPot suggested Nin1000 as a candidate for being Squidyj's partner right before we realized that a hammer had occurred. I was actually inclined to believe that connection at the time, and if Nin1000 had survived, I probably would have been suspicious of him. However, Nin's death ended that theory quite conclusively. I'll need to double-check everyone else's interactions with Squidyj again. I seem to have confused Nin/Salva, sorry for that, but there is still some positives for Salva that I've found. It's not much, but Salva's switch to Stanley was so immediate that it gained some good will for me. Maybe too much so. I thought it was a good play then, granted Stanley is the cop but at that time I was really willing to consider flipping over to a vote on him. I still feel that Terra and, maybe you, are better targets today, but everyone's arguments against Salva do make some sense. I think Terra is the better choice than Salva, not sure on SkyOdin vs Salva. Okay, so I'm thinking about SkyOdin, and I'm trying to rationalize why exactly Nin was killed. Nin and Salva both had gone for SkyOdin before the Squidy reveal, perhaps this is why? I don't think it's much to go off of, but it is a little quirky. Seems kind of obvious too. Oh god is that the explanation? Am I being framed AGAIN? LOL I just have to laugh at this point. Give me a break Mafia guy. I take it you have a history of being framed? Like I said, it's not really anything to go off of, but I do think it is fun to note. If anything it leads me to perhaps think you are town? I dunno, seems weird and obvious. By that logic, I think it should be a clear choice for Salva. By killing someone on that train he can frame SkyOdin and by allowing himself to be associated with a confirmed townie, one who had similar thoughts posted at the same time he gains town cred, even if it's subliminal. Also, I noticed you seem to have written off Salva as scum due to a post advocating no turbo on Day one, but I can't seem to find it. I seem to have made a mistake, I noticed it when I was writing my response to SkyOdin about Salva. Salva is the one who switched to Stanley, which I talk about above, Nin is the one who did the strategic unvote. I think? I have the two grouped together in my notes for their push against SkyOdin, so sorry for the confusion.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 11, 2016 22:31:58 GMT -8
Alright, I was bored, so I reread the entire thread again. As a result, I think I have my biggest suspect picked out.
Vote: SalvaPot
First of all, Salva's actions have felt inconsistent. Day 1, he was defending me and saying that I had a town vibe. Day 2, he was pushing for my lynch based entirely off of Ouro's Day 1 read of me and subsequent death.
Second of all, Salva had limited direct interactions with Squidyj. Squidyj listed him as a possible scum once I believe, but was alway focused on other people. In the middle of Day 2, SalvaPot was notably reading Squidyj as "Townsquid, not scumsquid". I don't think SalvaPot commented at all on the interrogation Flame and I put Squidyj through at the start of Day 2.
Finally, while SalvaPot immediately jumped on Stanley's revelation and voted for Squidy, there is an oddity that stuck out to me. After Terrabyte's hammer vote that not everyone noticed was a hammer, SalvaPot made a post where he said "we shouldn't turbo". However, SalvaPot didn't Unvote. When Flame saw what was happening, he Unvoted, even though it was too late. Making this even more suspicious, SalvaPot ribbed Kawl a little bit: "I like how kawl didn't realized until flame pointed it out." Note that Salva doesn't say "we" didn't notice. This sorta implies that SalvaPot did in fact realize that Terrabyte had hammered. On top of all that, SalvaPot was quick to throw out the possibility that Nin1000 was Squidyj's partner.
All of this stuff is certainly weak individually, but it all adds up to giving me a gut feeling that SalvaPot is scum.
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Post by flameac on Apr 11, 2016 23:16:30 GMT -8
Hmmmm. It's an interesting argument SkyOdin. I haven't reread Day 1 in awhile, so I guess I might have to do that again. I do think that the whole Ouro reasoning train against you is misguided. As you pointed out, this would be framing you as each of the people who have suspected you the most have died. I can see your point about the turbo, but to be fair, you/Nin/Stanley/Terra didn't notice that the hammer actually happened either. I'm not sure if he knew either. I only happened to notice because I was surprised at the vote flurry which is why I tried to stop it, but I missed it by literally 3 minutes. 8:11 to 8:14 While you've been around the thread, you haven't made mention of my vote and reason for Terra. What do you think of it? Are you satisfied with his defense for now? Doesn't his "No reason not to" post when he did the hammer give you pause? Surely he and I suppose Salva too would have realized that it's not like the voting mattered at that point. Squidy was going to be lynched, they both tried to cash in on the vote train. You're not off the hook yet though. A reread tomorrow (RL) will probably help me sort you out.
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 0:59:45 GMT -8
I am late here, I have been busy today so I forgot that the night was so short.
Anyway, I have read what Sky has to say about me and it doesn't sit well with me, mostly because the same arguments could be used as to explain why I am not scum. For starters I was the first person to react to stanley's revelation, so at that point I had no idea we were so close to a hammer, honestly it took everyone by surprise until flame pointed it out, if it was something I had noticed I would have said so before, but its pretty clear no one did. Moving on.
I think terra acted in the same way as I did and just followed the vote. I am still on my original theory that Sky killed Ouro due to his actions on day 1. From my point of view only Stanley and me is clean, but I also feel like flame is a townie player, so yes, right now Sky is still who I think is scum.
But I have to say, it really bothers me the post that terra made when voting squid, it just feels so detached. And just after the vote he made no effort to post again, and we know there was enough time, maybe he did realized he was hammering the vote and didn't felt the need to chime in and add to the conversation.
If I had to vote someone right now it would be Terra, then Sky.
What do you think of all this Stanley?
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Post by Kawl on Apr 12, 2016 2:42:01 GMT -8
Vote count:
Terrabyte (1) Votes by FlameAC
SalvaPot (1) Votes by SkyOdin
Majority is 3. Please be aware and stop posting once majority is hit if I can't be here immediately due to work.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 4:18:17 GMT -8
I am late here, I have been busy today so I forgot that the night was so short. Anyway, I have read what Sky has to say about me and it doesn't sit well with me, mostly because the same arguments could be used as to explain why I am not scum. For starters I was the first person to react to stanley's revelation, so at that point I had no idea we were so close to a hammer, honestly it took everyone by surprise until flame pointed it out, if it was something I had noticed I would have said so before, but its pretty clear no one did. Moving on. I think terra acted in the same way as I did and just followed the vote. I am still on my original theory that Sky killed Ouro due to his actions on day 1. From my point of view only Stanley and me is clean, but I also feel like flame is a townie player, so yes, right now Sky is still who I think is scum. But I have to say, it really bothers me the post that terra made when voting squid, it just feels so detached. And just after the vote he made no effort to post again, and we know there was enough time, maybe he did realized he was hammering the vote and didn't felt the need to chime in and add to the conversation. If I had to vote someone right now it would be Terra, then Sky. What do you think of all this Stanley? This post is a load of crap, and it's obvious for one reason: he can't decide who he want's to accuse. News flash Salva, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SCUM REMAINING! Why, if you feel Sky is scum, do you feel the need to throw shade at me and even go after me first? Could it be so you can set up the next victim after I inevitably flip town? VOTE: SalvaPot
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Post by stanleypalmtree on Apr 12, 2016 4:57:18 GMT -8
Salva, what do i think of what specifically? your post, or the situation in general?
also ffs, stop voting! it only takes 3 votes people! and i for one want to get everything we can out of today. its not hard to make your voice heard when there only on 5 people in the room, the votes are unnecessary and dangerous.
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 7:29:18 GMT -8
Terra, why do you decide I can't decide? My post is pretty clear about who I would vote for right now and that is you, so maybe that is why you are reacting so poorly to my post. Calm down, we still have time to discuss this and you are again hastily voting, why are you in such a hurry? Do you want to kill discussion?
Stanley, I am talking about the situation in general. At this point it seems almost all of us agree that flame is most likely townie, today sky has been coming hard on me and terra, and terra is only making reactionary posts so far.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 8:00:30 GMT -8
While you've been around the thread, you haven't made mention of my vote and reason for Terra. What do you think of it? Are you satisfied with his defense for now? Doesn't his "No reason not to" post when he did the hammer give you pause? Surely he and I suppose Salva too would have realized that it's not like the voting mattered at that point. Squidy was going to be lynched, they both tried to cash in on the vote train. To be perfectly honest, I really haven't had time to form a strong opinion on your thoughts on Terra yet. I've been preoccupied with rereading Day 1 and 2, and trying to get my own thoughts in order. By the time I finished that up, it was close to midnight and I needed sleep. I will admit that I am having a lot of trouble getting a good read on Terrabyte, in large part due to his relatively few posts in this game. Post count doesn't mean anything in of itself, as our mistake with Bronx demonstrated, so I can't accuse him of being scum based on that. However, it would be foolish of me to completely overlook him. Give me a chance to wake up and get my thoughts together.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 8:02:05 GMT -8
Out of respect for maintaining Stanley's healthy blood pressure, I will temporarily rescind my vote on SalvaPot. Kind in mind that it will still be there in spirit, but I do want to avoid a turbo.
Unvote
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Post by Kawl on Apr 12, 2016 8:47:47 GMT -8
Vote count:
Terrabyte (1) Votes by FlameAC
SalvaPot (1) Votes by Terrabyte Sky Odin has previously voted.
Majority is 3. Please be aware and stop posting once majority is hit if I can't be here immediately due to work.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 9:01:13 GMT -8
Terra, why do you decide I can't decide? My post is pretty clear about who I would vote for right now and that is you, so maybe that is why you are reacting so poorly to my post. Calm down, we still have time to discuss this and you are again hastily voting, why are you in such a hurry? Do you want to kill discussion? Stanley, I am talking about the situation in general. At this point it seems almost all of us agree that flame is most likely townie, today sky has been coming hard on me and terra, and terra is only making reactionary posts so far. I voted to make a point, that being that I'm not moving on from you. My point was that if you think I'm scum, then we should done here. Why bother trying to keep suspicion on Sky if the day's just going to end and town win? The only reason that would happen would be if you think you're going to hit town, which makes me question why you think I should die in the first place.
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