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Post by Kalor on Apr 5, 2016 10:09:31 GMT -8
I was thinking about the game earlier and I realized that killing someone could be viable. For a while I was thinking that killing was something to avoid but it could be essential to eliminating potential mafia later on. It would certainly make it easier to win without any mafia being on the team. Though the downside is that if we kill town then that has a huge impact due to the small player base.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 5, 2016 10:12:13 GMT -8
He's already announced his intention to. Hm, it kinda feels like you're chattering to feign the illusion of inquisitiveness right now... well sorry that you "feel" that way but atm i am only trying to "catch up" a bit. And no need for that scrafty i just could have not said a thing until the game started but i did. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 5, 2016 10:16:55 GMT -8
He's saying he will be choosing the "Ally" option in his first decision:
"Kalor & Sorian
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Retro"
What about you Sorian.Areyou going to ally aswell ? I was the first post (I think, might have been Scrafty) and I made my intention quite clear that I was going to choose Ally, yes. I'd rather put complete trust in the other two people of my tripod and pick up the pieces from there as I can't die from a wrong choice at the first hurdle. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 5, 2016 10:18:44 GMT -8
I was thinking about the game earlier and I realized that killing someone could be viable. For a while I was thinking that killing was something to avoid but it could be essential to eliminating potential mafia later on. It would certainly make it easier to win without any mafia being on the team. Though the downside is that if we kill town then that has a huge impact due to the small player base. Do keep in mind that the neutrals are just as important to town's win condition as anything else. This is one of the few times where I can point to the neutral in a game and say that person is 100% pro town. They obviously don't want each other to escape but if they both get out then we only have to add one town member to that list and we win. |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 5, 2016 10:21:15 GMT -8
Hello I am here now
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 5, 2016 10:29:45 GMT -8
I was thinking about the game earlier and I realized that killing someone could be viable. For a while I was thinking that killing was something to avoid but it could be essential to eliminating potential mafia later on. It would certainly make it easier to win without any mafia being on the team. Though the downside is that if we kill town then that has a huge impact due to the small player base. Do keep in mind that the neutrals are just as important to town's win condition as anything else. This is one of the few times where I can point to the neutral in a game and say that person is 100% pro town. They obviously don't want each other to escape but if they both get out then we only have to add one town member to that list and we win. But they don't care about the town/mafia squabble, they just want to get out without the other one. If that means that they take a mafia over the other neutral, that's a town loss and a neutral win. If they were 100% pro-town that wouldn't be a valid situation |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 5, 2016 10:42:44 GMT -8
Scrafty's working hard to keep the conversation going, so that's pretty pro-town. . I dont know what to make out of it. For now you are a null read I'm sorry if I'm being dense, but how can someone not comment "the right way" Like, what does that mean? |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 5, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -8
You guys should figure out between each other how you're going to vote. Last thing you want is to go into the voting phase completely in the dark.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 5, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -8
Do keep in mind that the neutrals are just as important to town's win condition as anything else. This is one of the few times where I can point to the neutral in a game and say that person is 100% pro town. They obviously don't want each other to escape but if they both get out then we only have to add one town member to that list and we win. But they don't care about the town/mafia squabble, they just want to get out without the other one. If that means that they take a mafia over the other neutral, that's a town loss and a neutral win. If they were 100% pro-town that wouldn't be a valid situation Sure, but we are never going to know who is town and who is mafia. It's all just base reads. The one case where they are screwing over their neutral buddy is true but in a case where they are in direct opposition at the end where one of them could get to 9, it's obvious they will both betray each other, they have to. What you are saying is them talking at other groups and hoping the people there listen, meh, who cares what someone else is saying to my current group? It's noise. Their utility to me is that they are a body that can fill up the 3 and doesn't make me lose. As far as I am concerned, there are 6 people in this game who can walk through that door and I win. That makes neutral=town as far as I am concerned. |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 5, 2016 11:10:41 GMT -8
You guys should figure out between each other how you're going to vote. Last thing you want is to go into the voting phase completely in the dark. How I vote right now is based entirely on how I think you're going to vote. It won't be affected by nin. If he votes betray, it doesn't matter what I voted, that's what's going through. Now how I think you're going to vote? Honestly, I appreciate your hesitance at people immediately saying they were going to vote ally, so I guess I trust you for that. Plus I feel like you betraying at this point, no matter your alignment, would just make things very hard for you down the line so that seems unlikely. Nin, what are your thoughts? But they don't care about the town/mafia squabble, they just want to get out without the other one. If that means that they take a mafia over the other neutral, that's a town loss and a neutral win. If they were 100% pro-town that wouldn't be a valid situation Sure, but we are never going to know who is town and who is mafia. It's all just base reads. The one case where they are screwing over their neutral buddy is true but in a case where they are in direct opposition at the end where one of them could get to 9, it's obvious they will both betray each other, they have to. What you are saying is them talking at other groups and hoping the people there listen, meh, who cares what someone else is saying to my current group? It's noise. Their utility to me is that they are a body that can fill up the 3 and doesn't make me lose. As far as I am concerned, there are 6 people in this game who can walk through that door and I win. That makes neutral=town as far as I am concerned. Ok yeah I guess that makes sense. I think my mind is getting a bit swamped in the various combinations |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 5, 2016 11:19:06 GMT -8
I feel good about you right now, RNH. It's nin I'm worried about.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 5, 2016 11:34:34 GMT -8
You guys should figure out between each other how you're going to vote. Last thing you want is to go into the voting phase completely in the dark. How I vote right now is based entirely on how I think you're going to vote. It won't be affected by nin. If he votes betray, it doesn't matter what I voted, that's what's going through.Now how I think you're going to vote? Honestly, I appreciate your hesitance at people immediately saying they were going to vote ally, so I guess I trust you for that. Plus I feel like you betraying at this point, no matter your alignment, would just make things very hard for you down the line so that seems unlikely. Nin, what are your thoughts? You are reading my mind on that regard RNH, i want to sruvive and it would be foolish for me to betray you. My thoughts ? i am concerned about scrafty being concerned about me . What is it that makes you insecure scrafty? |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 5, 2016 11:42:31 GMT -8
How I vote right now is based entirely on how I think you're going to vote. It won't be affected by nin. If he votes betray, it doesn't matter what I voted, that's what's going through.Now how I think you're going to vote? Honestly, I appreciate your hesitance at people immediately saying they were going to vote ally, so I guess I trust you for that. Plus I feel like you betraying at this point, no matter your alignment, would just make things very hard for you down the line so that seems unlikely. Nin, what are your thoughts? You are reading my mind on that regard RNH, i want to sruvive and it would be foolish for me to betray you. My thoughts ? i am concerned about scrafty being concerned about me . What is it that makes you insecure scrafty? Suspicion and insecurity are two very different things. You showed up very late, made strange nonsensical accusations and don't seem very keen on making pre-game reads. It's hard not to be suspicious, in all honesty. But seeing as we're a mere 20 minutes away from judgment time, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you really are just scrambling to catch up and made some hasty mistakes. So I'll vote Ally tonight. See to it that my trust is not misplaced. |
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 5, 2016 11:46:34 GMT -8
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 5, 2016 12:06:28 GMT -8
You are reading my mind on that regard RNH, i want to sruvive and it would be foolish for me to betray you. My thoughts ? i am concerned about scrafty being concerned about me . What is it that makes you insecure scrafty? Suspicion and insecurity are two very different things. You showed up very late, made strange nonsensical accusations and don't seem very keen on making pre-game reads. It's hard not to be suspicious, in all honesty. But seeing as we're a mere 20 minutes away from judgment time, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you really are just scrambling to catch up and made some hasty mistakes. So I'll vote Ally tonight. See to it that my trust is not misplaced. Thanks, you will not be dissapointed |
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 5, 2016 13:04:31 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 1 BEGINS Please send me your decision to either ALLY or BETRAY by PM here in outer gafia..  Once you have submitted, the decision is final. There will be no takebacks. No talking in this thread during this phase. |
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 6, 2016 3:36:19 GMT -8
All decisions have been submitted.
Talk Phase 2 will begin 6PM GMT.
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 6, 2016 9:06:40 GMT -8
RESULTS
Launchpad & Terrabyte - ALLY
versus
CrimsonFist - ALLY
nin1000 & RobotNinjaHornets - ALLY
versus
ScraftyDevil - ALLY
Kalor & Sorian - ALLY
versus
Retro - ALLY
EVERYONE HAS 5 POINTS.
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TALK PHASE 2
Matchups for the second cycle:
nin1000 & Launchpad
versus
Terrabyte
ScraftyDevil & Crimsonfist
versus
Sorian
Retro & Kalor
versus
RobotNinjaHornets
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Talk phase lasts for 24 hours.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 9:07:21 GMT -8
 Told you ! |
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 9:10:02 GMT -8
Matchups for the second cycle:
nin1000 & Launchpad
versus
Terrabyte
This will be interesting since me and launch have not always been on the same page but in the end we were a team. Glad to see that you will be teaming up with me
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 9:10:30 GMT -8
Honestly impressed.
I'll be choosing ally again.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 6, 2016 9:54:52 GMT -8
All by myself? I wonder how that will go.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 6, 2016 9:55:36 GMT -8
Tbh I was expecting that, it's one of those things like the first round of The Resistance. Anything else would be dumb.
I've been thinking about something - mafia would be fine with just all allies all the time? If no-one ever betrays, then mafia get their win condition. I imagine the first betrayal will likely come from the neutrals, as they'll want to get ahead of the other neutral to get their win condition.
Hm. I'll need to think more about this.
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Post by Kalor on Apr 6, 2016 9:55:51 GMT -8
I wasn't expecting that.
I'm not going to say my vote because it would be premature to say it straight away today. At this point we need to think about if we suspect the person/group we are up against since we don't want mafia reaching 7 points this early. Scum are in a great position right now so everyone allying again would be detrimental to town. As a result of that I'm already suspicious of Sorian since he has been quick to say he would vote ally twice now.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 10:02:34 GMT -8
Tbh I was expecting that, it's one of those things like the first round of The Resistance. Anything else would be dumb. I've been thinking about something - mafia would be fine with just all allies all the time? If no-one ever betrays, then mafia get their win condition. I imagine the first betrayal will likely come from the neutrals, as they'll want to get ahead of the other neutral to get their win condition. Hm. I'll need to think more about this. Pretty much correct, if everyone just all kept allying then we would all get to 9 at the same time which is only a win for scum.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 6, 2016 10:07:54 GMT -8
Burb, mafia can't talk outside this thread anymore right?
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 6, 2016 10:08:33 GMT -8
Yep, their chat was only open during the first talk phase.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 6, 2016 10:14:11 GMT -8
In that case - I'm wondering if there are downsides (for either side) to the neutrals revealing themselves. I just wanted to check mafia can't talk first so that they can't coordinate a neutral claim.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 6, 2016 10:16:53 GMT -8
Either side being town and neutral
Main downside for neutral I can think of - they then can't try to convince town that the other is mafia, which is probably their easiest play
Can't think of much for town this second, I guess it might mean that it would change the results of some ally/betray decisions, but I can't think of what situation that would occur in. I'm also having trouble thinking of how it would affect how mafia play.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 10:21:03 GMT -8
Either side being town and neutral Main downside for neutral I can think of - they then can't try to convince town that the other is mafia, which is probably their easiest playCan't think of much for town this second, I guess it might mean that it would change the results of some ally/betray decisions, but I can't think of what situation that would occur in. I'm also having trouble thinking of how it would affect how mafia play. They probably won't do that because of the bolded because at that point, a neutral winning or losing will just come down to a popularity contest and the luck/circumstances of who they draw in match-ups. I don't think there is any downside of it to town, it's two people that could theoretically confirm each other so that means we'd only have to read 7 people instead of 9. |
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