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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 14, 2016 8:26:35 GMT -8
Also hey look I was right and Kalor was actually town. Good, now we don't outnumber the mafia. Hooray. Meh, you, Crimson, Retro, and Kalor were never going to escape at this rate anyway. The real issue is now there are 1v1 match ups. I dunno if you noticed but I could've been on the escape list today if I'd betrayed. Just saying.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 8:27:12 GMT -8
Oh please, why would you expect any different. Come on now.
Terra needed one point to get out. I already said I was going to ally. If Kalor had betrayed he would've lost any goodwill he had with everyone just so that he could get an extra point. It made no sense for Kalor, town or otherwise, to betray at that point because it would've just fucked a neutral. Why would Terra risk it? If Kalor was scum then he was definitely going to Betray because even if he lost all of his goodwill, he could still boost a teammate if he is put up against them.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 8:28:29 GMT -8
Meh, you, Crimson, Retro, and Kalor were never going to escape at this rate anyway. The real issue is now there are 1v1 match ups. I dunno if you noticed but I could've been on the escape list today if I'd betrayed. Just saying. Nope, you'd be at 7 against a neutral who will just use betray again. So still would have been 7 tomorrow. The neutrals are good for getting through the door but now that they've both claimed, they really gum up the system.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 14, 2016 8:41:41 GMT -8
Terra needed one point to get out. I already said I was going to ally. If Kalor had betrayed he would've lost any goodwill he had with everyone just so that he could get an extra point. It made no sense for Kalor, town or otherwise, to betray at that point because it would've just fucked a neutral. Why would Terra risk it? If Kalor was scum then he was definitely going to Betray because even if he lost all of his goodwill, he could still boost a teammate if he is put up against them. No that is bollocks Kalor betrays, Terra betrays: Kalor still stuck on 1 point, looks scummy as fuck Kalor betrays, Terra allys: Kalor now on 4 points, looks scummy as fuck Kalor allys, Terra allys: Kalor now on 3 points, doesn't look scummy as fuck Which of these is the best outcome for mafia? I dunno if you noticed but I could've been on the escape list today if I'd betrayed. Just saying. Nope, you'd be at 7 against a neutral who will just use betray again. So still would have been 7 tomorrow. The neutrals are good for getting through the door but now that they've both claimed, they really gum up the system. Could have, and I'd be at either 6 or 9. Though given what Terra did I'd still be at 6, but that's still one betray away from the escapees list.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 14, 2016 8:49:41 GMT -8
I'm sorry but what the fuck Terra? I am a neutral, I really don't care about your win cons, only mine.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 14, 2016 8:50:01 GMT -8
That being said, I promise to Ally.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 8:52:22 GMT -8
Why would Terra risk it? If Kalor was scum then he was definitely going to Betray because even if he lost all of his goodwill, he could still boost a teammate if he is put up against them. No that is bollocks Kalor betrays, Terra betrays: Kalor still stuck on 1 point, looks scummy as fuck Kalor betrays, Terra allys: Kalor now on 4 points, looks scummy as fuck Kalor allys, Terra allys: Kalor now on 3 points, doesn't look scummy as fuck Which of these is the best outcome for mafia? Nope, you'd be at 7 against a neutral who will just use betray again. So still would have been 7 tomorrow. The neutrals are good for getting through the door but now that they've both claimed, they really gum up the system. Could have, and I'd be at either 6 or 9. Though given what Terra did I'd still be at 6, but that's still one betray away from the escapees list. You can't do that without putting in the 4th scenario: Dead Kalor and that is 100% a fate that all mafia HAVE to avoid because they would be put at a severe disadvantage since the way they are getting someone through is by boosting each other. I don't know what we are arguing here though? Terra's integrity? ho cares, he is the neutral, if you expected him to risk losing points then you are crazy.
And yes, 6, you are right, I keep thinking betray/ally is -3 for the ally but it's only -2.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 9:02:38 GMT -8
Burb, would it be possible to request for you to add links to all of the start of talk phases so far?
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 9:11:00 GMT -8
Meh, wanted to see if any of the decisions were interesting knowing now that Kalor was town but the only one that isn't a neutral betraying him:
"Sorian & RobotNinjaHornets - BETRAY versus Kalor - ALLY"
That's me being shitty and I know it, just highlighting it again though, take it how you will.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 14, 2016 9:52:32 GMT -8
As expected. I suppose that confirms our three scum as Launch, Retro and Crimson then.
Which brings to light another problem: Launch is going to start tomorrow with nine points; no question. We can circumvent that either by dropping nin or Terra below the 9 point threshold or by promoting Sorian above 9 points so there's more than three candidates tomorrow; that second plan is pretty risky though because Crimson will likely try to meddle in Terra's capacity to remain at 9 points.
I am 100% choosing Ally again today, so I'll leave everything in your hands, Sorian and nin. Take what you deem to be the best course of action.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 9:54:48 GMT -8
As expected. I suppose that confirms our three scum as Launch, Retro and Crimson then. Which brings to light another problem: Launch is going to start tomorrow with nine points; no question. We can circumvent that either by dropping nin or Terra below the 9 point threshold or by promoting Sorian above 9 points so there's more than three candidates tomorrow; that second plan is pretty risky though because Crimson will likely try to meddle in Terra's capacity to remain at 9 points. I am 100% choosing Ally again today, so I'll leave everything in your hands, Sorian and nin. Take what you deem to be the best course of action. More than 3 people are allowed to leave. Game ends at 3+ with 9 points.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 9:55:09 GMT -8
As expected. I suppose that confirms our three scum as Launch, Retro and Crimson then. Which brings to light another problem: Launch is going to start tomorrow with nine points; no question. We can circumvent that either by dropping nin or Terra below the 9 point threshold or by promoting Sorian above 9 points so there's more than three candidates tomorrow; that second plan is pretty risky though because Crimson will likely try to meddle in Terra's capacity to remain at 9 points. I am 100% choosing Ally again today, so I'll leave everything in your hands, Sorian and nin. Take what you deem to be the best course of action. More than 3 people are allowed to leave. Game ends at 3+ with 9 points.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 14, 2016 10:01:56 GMT -8
Oh, well in that case we need to knock someone down a peg. Launch is 100% going to have 9 points tomorrow unless scum is planning on playing the long con, and if both Terra and nin still have 9 points as well then we all lose.
Changed my mind; I'm going to Betray tonight. You should do the same.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 14, 2016 10:14:01 GMT -8
FYI scrafty, I voted ally
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 14, 2016 10:17:14 GMT -8
I will vote ally once again since I think Sorian is town
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 14, 2016 10:17:45 GMT -8
FYI scrafty, I voted ally Excellent, this only further confirms that Crimson's our last scum. Don't worry nin you'll be escaping eventually; we just can't let you leave with Launch.
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 14, 2016 10:22:13 GMT -8
As expected. I suppose that confirms our three scum as Launch, Retro and Crimson then. Which brings to light another problem: Launch is going to start tomorrow with nine points; no question. We can circumvent that either by dropping nin or Terra below the 9 point threshold or by promoting Sorian above 9 points so there's more than three candidates tomorrow; that second plan is pretty risky though because Crimson will likely try to meddle in Terra's capacity to remain at 9 points. I am 100% choosing Ally again today, so I'll leave everything in your hands, Sorian and nin. Take what you deem to be the best course of action. Of course I betrayed, I said yesterday that I thought betray made the most sense, which you seemed to overlook, and it made no sense for you to pick ally in that scenario if you were scum reading me. I was sure you were going to pick betray, and then I'd have died if I picked ally.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 14, 2016 10:30:59 GMT -8
As expected. I suppose that confirms our three scum as Launch, Retro and Crimson then. Which brings to light another problem: Launch is going to start tomorrow with nine points; no question. We can circumvent that either by dropping nin or Terra below the 9 point threshold or by promoting Sorian above 9 points so there's more than three candidates tomorrow; that second plan is pretty risky though because Crimson will likely try to meddle in Terra's capacity to remain at 9 points. I am 100% choosing Ally again today, so I'll leave everything in your hands, Sorian and nin. Take what you deem to be the best course of action. Of course I betrayed, I said yesterday that I thought betray made the most sense, which you seemed to overlook, and it made no sense for you to pick ally in that scenario if you were scum reading me. I was sure you were going to pick betray, and then I'd have died if I picked ally. If I had chosen to betray, I'd've stymied one of the neutrals which isn't in town's best interests at all. If you had allied too then I would have attained escapee status as well and that would've been a nice bonus, but I was almost certain from the get-go that you were going to betray. No big issue though; my points don't matter so long as either Sorian or RNH make the final cut along with nin and Terra. If need be we can simply stonewall until a scenario crops up in which one of the townies is able to get to 9 points uninhibited, and we've got time on our side.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 14, 2016 10:34:34 GMT -8
I'm betraying again anyway, I'm not entirely sure who is scum from Scrafty and Crimson and I'm curious what will happen with the 1v1 match up.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 14, 2016 10:39:43 GMT -8
Scrafty why do you trust Sorian?
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 14, 2016 10:42:27 GMT -8
Of course I betrayed, I said yesterday that I thought betray made the most sense, which you seemed to overlook, and it made no sense for you to pick ally in that scenario if you were scum reading me. I was sure you were going to pick betray, and then I'd have died if I picked ally. If I had chosen to betray, I'd've stymied one of the neutrals which isn't in town's best interests at all. If you had allied too then I would have attained escapee status as well and that would've been a nice bonus, but I was almost certain from the get-go that you were going to betray. No big issue though; my points don't matter so long as either Sorian or RNH make the final cut along with nin and Terra. If need be we can simply stonewall until a scenario crops up in which one of the townies is able to get to 9 points uninhibited, and we've got time on our side. There's really no difference between having 8 points and having 9 points unless you get 3 people to 9 at once since escapee status needs another ally to be maintained the next day anyway. I guess I did misread your intentions, but I didn't want to take the risk.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 14, 2016 11:52:30 GMT -8
Launch, Retro, and Crimson, what did you vote yesterday? It doesn't really matter, but I didn't vote, so Ally. I figured it would turn up Betray/Betray. Alas, poor Kalor. I betrayed. Sorry, Launch, Sorian, but I don't trust either of you. I'll be betraying today, as well. Yeah. Alright. Today seems pretty cut and dry. I'll be voting Betray as well, Retro.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 15, 2016 7:31:45 GMT -8
That request for 24 hours of conversation >_>
I'm in the position to stonewall the game ending and I intend to just so that everyone is aware, please plan accordingly if you are against the neutrals to give them the best chance to still be able to be at 9 after the next decision phase.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 15, 2016 7:33:29 GMT -8
Actually, Terra made himself quite clear that he is betraying (he said he'll ally after saying he gives no shits about us, read between the lines) so you'll probably have to do the same RNH, him dropping to 8 points doesn't mean much.
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 15, 2016 8:00:19 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 7 BEGINS
Phase ends when either all decisions are in, or in 24 hours.
NOTE!!! Please send all of your decisions to both me and Ourobolus. If the decisions come too slowly this time, I won't able to start the next talk phase. At any case, Ouro will take care of the next few phases, as I'll be travelling for saturday and sunday.
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Post by Ourobolus on Apr 15, 2016 9:36:48 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Apr 15, 2016 9:40:02 GMT -8
No
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 15, 2016 10:50:50 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 7 RESULTS nin1000 & ScraftyDevil - BETRAY versus Sorian - BETRAY Terrabyte & CrimsonFist - BETRAY versus RobotNinjaHornets - BETRAY Retro - BETRAY versus Launchpad - BETRAY There are no people with Escaper status now. POINTS: ScraftyDevil - 6 LaunchpadMcQ - 6 Sorian - 8 CrimsonFist - 4 Retro - 3 Terrabyte - 8 RobotNinjaHornets - 4 nin1000 - 8 --- TALK PHASE 8 BEGINS Match-ups for this cycle: Retro & Sorian versus Terrabyte ScraftyDevil & RobotNinjaHornets versus nin1000 Launchpad versus CrimsonFirst --- WARNING:If there is no resolution after ten decision phases, talk phases will be dropped from the game, and there will be only decision phases until the finish!
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 15, 2016 10:51:17 GMT -8
Also, Ouro will have the helms until monday.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 15, 2016 10:52:53 GMT -8
I'm going to play Dark Souls I'll talk to you fuckers later
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