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Post by Sorian on Mar 27, 2016 13:54:13 GMT -8
3 day night? That's loooooong.... That was a mistake, it's 2 days. Good, I got worried for a sec. |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 27, 2016 17:52:07 GMT -8
Alright, home now. So thinking it over, El Topo is claiming Oracle. He is telling the truth I'm sure and if we take him at face value (I'm not the doctor, I'm not the cop) then he has to be a motion related role. I would guess watcher. If he decided to be sneaky then he is one of the alignment or role cop. Regardless, I am 100% on board with hijacking him. Best case is he is actually the watcher, we can hold him in place tonight and just watch what happens. I still highly recommend sending him Mazre's way. Mazre is acting weird, and I always dream of the day that a veteran type role is in these games. I would also say send him at Kark but there is the small chance that topo is the role name cop and I would rather we have him run into a generic town than a named role if that were the case and I'd guess Mazre as ordinary before Kark.
As for out kill, like I said, I'd prefer someone who was posting a lot and was no really on anyone's top town or top scum lists. So taking it in order of highest post count to lowest. Sorian-lol no, weemad-I claimed her as top town and a few others followed, no, Flux-after the end of day cluster fuck, he should be one of the top candidates for lynching tomorrow, no, Kark-He was baiting all day, I'd prefer to ignore it, Fireblend-Top town for a few people, let him stay, Xam-Possible lynch candidate, no, SkyOdin-Possible but Kark might want to beat on him a bit more, this one is an ok choice, but I think he's more useful alive, Camjo- Basically confirmed town at this point, we could kill him just to remove that known element but I could see a tricky doctor sitting on him, I don't want to risk it right now, El Topo-Of course not because of hijacking, Ty4on-Yes Yes Yes, this is my choice, was semi-vocal in the early parts of the day, got a semi-small reads list out last night where he was accusing Flux and town reading Flame, not much if at all to read from his death. After this the rest of the players are basically inactive type status (all 3 of you have less than 20 posts >_>).
I'm of the opinion that Pop should strong kill tonight. I am willing to make the kill tomorrow night so that Karu doesn't lose his transformation if he wants to do that (or he can do it if he doesn't care about lucius). Missing a kill is no bueno and I would like to minimize that as much as possible. I'm not worried about a doctor protecting our target but Pop spent a lot of time inactive, if I were a roleblocker, I'd either hit Flux or an inactive, the problem is Flux might be the roleblocker and he will definitely go Pop if he is.
Also, no one let me forget, I soft claimed that I was a PR at the end of the day, I can't claim ordinary because someone with keen reading will know that I'm bullshitting.
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 27, 2016 19:28:12 GMT -8
I want to verify redirecting someone to a veteran doesn't kill me too. I can't see why it would but doesn't hurt to bug Roy about it. I'm game for pushing topo around.
Also fun thought activity: my pm doesn't prohibit me from self targeting. What would happen if I targeted myself and redirected my power to someone else? This is useless I just like thinking through these things.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 27, 2016 19:33:54 GMT -8
I want to verify redirecting someone to a veteran doesn't kill me too. I can't see why it would but doesn't hurt to bug Roy about it. I'm game for pushing topo around. Also fun thought activity: my pm doesn't prohibit me from self targeting. What would happen if I targeted myself and redirected my power to someone else? This is useless I just like thinking through these things. Sure, I highly doubt redirecting someone to a vet would kill you but Roy should answer anyway because theoreticals  Could Oracle be a veteran? Nah, wheelchair bound/tech savvy character, that seems too far out of left field. Also, we both know the answer to your second question is nothing |
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 27, 2016 19:51:07 GMT -8
I want to verify redirecting someone to a veteran doesn't kill me too. I can't see why it would but doesn't hurt to bug Roy about it. I'm game for pushing topo around. Also fun thought activity: my pm doesn't prohibit me from self targeting. What would happen if I targeted myself and redirected my power to someone else? This is useless I just like thinking through these things. Sure, I highly doubt redirecting someone to a vet would kill you but Roy should answer anyway because theoreticals Could Oracle be a veteran? Nah, wheelchair bound/tech savvy character, that seems too far out of left field. Also, we both know the answer to your second question is nothing Yeah, I figure it wouldn't but want to be 100% sure. Oracle likely isn't vet though I agree there. But the second one could also cause an infinite loop right?! We need VI2 to allow redirect bestowals to exist. |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 27, 2016 20:05:09 GMT -8
Your thoughts on who to kill Coppa? Whether to use the strong today or not? Who to send Topo to?
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Post by Roytheone on Mar 28, 2016 1:50:04 GMT -8
I want to verify redirecting someone to a veteran doesn't kill me too. I can't see why it would but doesn't hurt to bug Roy about it. I'm game for pushing topo around. Also fun thought activity: my pm doesn't prohibit me from self targeting. What would happen if I targeted myself and redirected my power to someone else? This is useless I just like thinking through these things. A) For all intense and purposes (Vet, watcher, tracker etc.) you only visit the person who's power you redirect, not the person who is the new target. B) You will redirect your redirect, but since your redirect is now redirected, there is no redirect to redirect your redirect. So you will just visit yourself and that's it. |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 4:06:55 GMT -8
I put a redirect in your redirect so you could redirect while you redirect.
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Post by yn on Mar 28, 2016 4:08:25 GMT -8
wait
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no, that's not deep enough. we need to go deeper.
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Post by karu on Mar 28, 2016 8:03:35 GMT -8
Time to catch u...
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Woops...
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What's the Veteran all about?
Can agree on a Ty4on or SkyOdin vote. What's with TL21xx? Inactive. Too inconsequential to consider at this point? I don't remember him being part of any conversation.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 8:08:28 GMT -8
Time to catch u... keanuereevesWOAH.gif Woops... // What's the Veteran all about? Can agree on a Ty4on or SkyOdin vote. What's with TL21xx? Inactive. Too inconsequential to consider at this point? I don't remember him being part of any conversation. A veteran is sometimes a passive ability and sometimes an active ability (so always on vs. has to send a command to the mod telling them they want to be active that night), if they are on then anyone who tries to visit that person is killed instead. Usually a town role and flavor is usually a self-defense type thing. With Coppa's power, it's nagging in my head that one might be in this game so I wanted to bring it up so we all keep it in mind.
I'd say TL21xx is too inactive, once everyone gets past the initial shock that the next day phase will bring over Camjo's, um, less than ideal play, I expect that people are going to start going through the inactives and really start picking them apart (unfortunately, that probably includes all of you), I don't really want to cut into that pool of players, I'd rather let town do it.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 8:20:10 GMT -8
Oh, PS, asking Camjo who he is does look scummy so don't do that. It's obvious he is town, pressing him for any other details is only something scum would do. Feel free to rip someone a new one if they do |
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 8:39:34 GMT -8
What about asking why he killed flame? That's the part I don't get. Flame was being townread by a lot of people, I just don't see how that move helped town at all.
Thinking through on who to use my power on and good possible options here. I think right now my goal is to try to hit a tracker or cop of some sort and divert them to someone else. If we can get identity on them, pushing them to track Sorian every night would lead to a few mislynches
For the kill: Camjo is an option I'd like to consider. If not today, maybe tomorrow. He's the closest thing to a confirmed town there is in the game right now, we might as well off that sooner.
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Post by karu on Mar 28, 2016 8:51:06 GMT -8
I half-expected to be killed myself, since he mentioned me repeatedly through-out the Day, but okay. He's Town anyway now, so, what can you do about it? Will still be interesting what he has to say.
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 8:52:53 GMT -8
I half-expected to be killed myself, since he mentioned me repeatedly through-out the Day, but okay. He's Town anyway now, so, what can you do about it? Will still be interesting what he has to say. TBF hasn't there been scum overrides before? I wouldn't bring it up in the thread but I'm curious if anyone brings that possibility up. Definitely going to be able to be more active this phase though. Yay! |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 8:55:04 GMT -8
What about asking why he killed flame? That's the part I don't get. Flame was being townread by a lot of people, I just don't see how that move helped town at all. Thinking through on who to use my power on and good possible options here. I think right now my goal is to try to hit a tracker or cop of some sort and divert them to someone else. If we can get identity on them, pushing them to track Sorian every night would lead to a few mislynches For the kill: Camjo is an option I'd like to consider. If not today, maybe tomorrow. He's the closest thing to a confirmed town there is in the game right now, we might as well off that sooner. He should definitely have to give reason on why he did what he did because that would help with reads but there is no way to spin this where Camjo is anything other than town, that's all I was trying to say.
I agree here. Oracle is probably what we are looking for but we have to make sure she isn't a killing role for some reason so no targeting one of us first night.
Camjo does need to go, I don't disagree at all but right now we only have Kark with his weird maybe batman claim, El Topo whom a lot of people don't seem to trust, and a confirmed override from Camjo. I could see people watching Camjo tonight as the most towny town person, I'm not worried about doctors of course because Pop can ignore that but he can still be found as normal and I don't want to put him in that danger yet. Willing to bet that there will be more outed claims tomorrow and if one of them isn't the doctor then I'm all aboard on killing Camjo then.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 8:56:03 GMT -8
I half-expected to be killed myself, since he mentioned me repeatedly through-out the Day, but okay. He's Town anyway now, so, what can you do about it? Will still be interesting what he has to say. TBF hasn't there been scum overrides before? I wouldn't bring it up in the thread but I'm curious if anyone brings that possibility up. Definitely going to be able to be more active this phase though. Yay! Danganronpa had a scum override but when it got used the player was mod confirmed to be scum. That is insanely unbalanced to give scum just a regular override and nothing else to mitigate it. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 10:43:58 GMT -8
Think we should shove topo to Camjo? He had that whole "protective roles stay away" thing like he was also claiming vet, but that seems too easy almost. Still, if we are sure he has no night action we could go ahead and shove topo there to give a tracker a null read. The downside is we wouldn't confirm anything really...
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 10:50:19 GMT -8
Think we should shove topo to Camjo? He had that whole "protective roles stay away" thing like he was also claiming vet, but that seems too easy almost. Still, if we are sure he has no night action we could go ahead and shove topo there to give a tracker a null read. The downside is we wouldn't confirm anything really... No way he is an overrider and has a night action so I doubt if we were trying to send Topo to a vet death, that would be the right choice. It Topo is a watcher, anyone we send him to other than who we target won't matter. If he is a tracker, then sending him to one of us would be best but we have to confirm that Topo can't kill in any way. If he is an alignment cop then sending him at one of us is a good way to frame but again, not until we confirm he doesn't kill. Role name cop is the more complicated one and why I suggested Mazre. I'd rather the role name cop get ordinary hits until we have a good plan so that people don't realize something is up. Mazre seems likely to me to either be 100% ordinary or a vet, his bait was more subtle than Kark's. Once we know Topo is clean and isn't a killer then I say we have him target me tomorrow night (if he is tracker then he sees who I vote steal from, if he is alignment cop gets scum read, if he is role name cop gets that joker read) and we will frame whoever Topo was actually intending to target but yeah, my vote is still on having him target Mazre or secondary choice as Kark. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 11:01:35 GMT -8
Fair enough. Either of those targets seems good to me. I'd prefer mazre personally I think. Seems like we would gain more information from that.
I think our killshould go for someone outside of the people we've talked about here. Maybe Weemad? I'll type up a longer reasoning on why when I get back to a computer.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 11:31:54 GMT -8
For the kill, Ty4on is my main choice, Sky as a back up. I realize it was kind of buried in my post from earlier so it may not have been clear who I was good with if it gets skimmed over during a reading. Gave my reasoning on pretty much everyone who had more than 20 posts in the thread. Curious what makes weemad a good one for you.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 13:42:37 GMT -8
Where is my waifu Popfu, we need you around to make the kill!
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 14:14:59 GMT -8
For the kill, Ty4on is my main choice, Sky as a back up. I realize it was kind of buried in my post from earlier so it may not have been clear who I was good with if it gets skimmed over during a reading. Gave my reasoning on pretty much everyone who had more than 20 posts in the thread. Curious what makes weemad a good one for you. Well really it's that there were a lot of people talking to Weemad and that they were contributing strongly there. I thought about it a bit more and I no longer think it's ideal. If we start killing conversation pieces this early, people might jump on to the "Why hasn't scum killed Sorian yet?!" thought train and that could push a lynch on you sooner than otherwise. Probably better to stay away and move on to someone else. SkyOdin was another choice I thought about bringing up as an option actually. I think between him and Ty4on I'd go with Ty4on more. Less likely to be protected by someone and he's been less of a presence. Also, since I feel like you'd be curious about it anyhow: The basis of my thinking was that weemad could be good based on how many people they were suspicious of openly. Would've thrown a lot of possible targets into the discussion when people start wondering why weemad was killed. I still think the potential jump to wondering why you're alive isn't ideal, so we shouldn't go there. |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 14:20:37 GMT -8
For the kill, Ty4on is my main choice, Sky as a back up. I realize it was kind of buried in my post from earlier so it may not have been clear who I was good with if it gets skimmed over during a reading. Gave my reasoning on pretty much everyone who had more than 20 posts in the thread. Curious what makes weemad a good one for you. Well really it's that there were a lot of people talking to Weemad and that they were contributing strongly there. I thought about it a bit more and I no longer think it's ideal. If we start killing conversation pieces this early, people might jump on to the "Why hasn't scum killed Sorian yet?!" thought train and that could push a lynch on you sooner than otherwise. Probably better to stay away and move on to someone else. SkyOdin was another choice I thought about bringing up as an option actually. I think between him and Ty4on I'd go with Ty4on more. Less likely to be protected by someone and he's been less of a presence. Also, since I feel like you'd be curious about it anyhow: The basis of my thinking was that weemad could be good based on how many people they were suspicious of openly. Would've thrown a lot of possible targets into the discussion when people start wondering why weemad was killed. I still think the potential jump to wondering why you're alive isn't ideal, so we shouldn't go there. My thoughts exactly, I do want to kill big conversation pieces but I think it's pretty consistent across the board that the "top town" players are Fire, weemad, and myself. If the other two go out but I don't people are going to think someone is up. What makes Ty4on a better kill to me than Sky is that Kark seems to want to pick a bone with Sky and I figure the more we let Kark tunnel on someone else, the less time he'll actually spend trying to find one of us. Kark is going to have a field day with those people that switched votes in the last minute but I'm willing to bet he will go back to Sky once he has spread himself around a bit. |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 28, 2016 19:05:05 GMT -8
Hey Roy, if Pop doesn't show up, can we submit the kill in his name? I won't consent to using his strong kill without his permission but he is kind of built to be our killer, no real way around that.
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 20:04:36 GMT -8
So this gets in, it may change but right now I'm good with it:
Redirect: el topo; mazre
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Post by Coppanuva on Mar 28, 2016 20:05:55 GMT -8
Oh that assumed I'm ok posting it here. I guess my pm said to send it to you roy, lmk if I need to do that instead.
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Post by Pop-O-Matic on Mar 28, 2016 23:00:16 GMT -8
Personally, while I understand the kill logic you're going for, I'd really rather go for a shock n' awe kill on a high profile target like El Topo or Karkador (probably the later as we have Coppa retargeting Topo onto Mazre). I know that between motion trackers & our connections to those players from D1 that it's incredibly risky, but I do really want to just send the memo immediately that scum isn't fucking around this game, and that role claims & crazy antics will get you killed. But, if you all would rather play it safe and take out Ty4on, I guess I can do the job.
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Post by Roytheone on Mar 29, 2016 1:21:45 GMT -8
Hey Roy, if Pop doesn't show up, can we submit the kill in his name? I won't consent to using his strong kill without his permission but he is kind of built to be our killer, no real way around that. Yes, you are allowed to submit actions for other people, however actions send in by the person himself will always get priority. So this gets in, it may change but right now I'm good with it: Redirect: el topo; mazreCommand received! 9 hours left to send in the kill and vote steal! |
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Post by Sorian on Mar 29, 2016 1:39:56 GMT -8
I mean, why do we want to teach them that role claims and crazy antics are bad? Those only help us in the long run. But yeah, let Topo live because of Coppa's stuff. The only reason I don't want to kill Kark is because then people might actually put stock in his dumb list.
THE KILLING JOKE: Sorian
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Could Oracle be a veteran? Nah, wheelchair bound/tech savvy character, that seems too far out of left field.
