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Crab
12-24-2014
08:09 PM ET (US)

traube, Lord of Castamere, RobotNinjaHornets, and pants; you are the Mafia and this is your discussion board. This must be kept secret until the end of the game, at that point it will be made public. Have fun!

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Pants
12-24-2014
09:23 PM ET (US)

muhahahaha

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Lord
12-24-2014
11:48 PM ET (US)

They shouldn't have crossed the Capo. One by one...

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traube
12-25-2014
01:23 AM ET (US)

let's do this!

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pants
12-25-2014
05:02 AM ET (US)

We'll not need to do any heavy strategizing just yet, the first vote will probably be some random lynching of some unfortunate, dont try and steer it to much, lets stay in the clear and just let each other know how we use our powers. I'll seduce the person that seems to be walking around with the most *real* swagger. If I hit the jackpot and block a roleplayer, we can kill them off the next night

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Lord
12-25-2014
01:37 PM ET (US)

So I'm curious about our powers.
I'm a watcher(shadow), pants is a roleblocker(blond bombshell), traube has no special powers I assume(goon), but what is Man with a Million Keys?

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traube
12-25-2014
02:23 PM ET (US)

I am also curious about the powers. I guess the townies will also have some special roles?

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Lord
12-25-2014
03:13 PM ET (US)

Yeah, I'm not sure how many roles the town sheeple will have but I'd expect a cop, doctor, and roleblocker at the very least.

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RobotNinjaHornets
12-25-2014
09:37 PM ET (US)

Man with a Millions Keys (AKA me) is a roleblocker as well -

"Additionally, you have the ability to lock a player in their room. Each night phase, you may lock in one player by PMing me the command BLOCK: Crab. A locked-in player will not be able to perform any night action that night; they will be informed that they were blocked but not that you did it."

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pants
12-30-2014
08:19 AM ET (US)

soon.

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traube
12-30-2014
10:16 AM ET (US)

We (Mafia) get to pick one player to lynch AND there will be a vote by all participating players to pick one more player to kill. Is that correct?

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Lord
12-30-2014
04:45 PM ET (US)

Yes. Everyone will vote to lynch 1 player during the day phase, and we get to kill 1 player during the night phase.

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pants
01-07-2015
04:31 AM ET (US)

so itshappening.gif

My ability has a drawback by the way, if I use seduce on a player that is invulnerable to said ability, there will be negative repercussions for me. I think the game is still wide open enough for me to try and low-key seduce someone we dont kill night one.

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Pants
01-08-2015
12:38 PM ET (US)

the first round isnt terribly important, so im buying some brownie points by playing in a way thats best for the tourists

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traube
01-08-2015
01:36 PM ET (US)

Any idea who we are going to kill during the first night? I am thinking of Palmer_v1. He asked about the tourist roles that are in the game. So there is a chance he has a special role himself.

Any thoughts?

Would there be an advantage for us not kill anyone?Edited 01-08-2015 01:36 PM

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Pants
01-08-2015
02:32 PM ET (US)

Nah we always kill. The only time we dont kill is if we found out for sure the person we are trying to kill has an ability that would make it not worth it. Then we'd try and get a lynch going. No one really stands out at this point, but yeah lets keep watching, I'm gonna try laying a bit lower for a bit, I dont want people to start targeting me because I have experience playing this game

Everytime I explain something I feel like I'm just drawing attention to myself

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traube
01-08-2015
02:34 PM ET (US)

lol. I feel that way every time I post.

looks like there will be no kill vote the first day.Edited 01-08-2015 02:35 PM

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Pants
01-08-2015
02:43 PM ET (US)

tbh no vote hurts us a bit, but make sure you're seen as being a supporter of no vote. It will help you in the later stages to prove your credibility. Its absolutely worth throwing away this lynch to be seen as trustworthy

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Lord
01-09-2015
01:33 AM ET (US)

Barry, Timeaisis, or Amirox. My votes for death. Take out the visibly strongest.

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pants
01-09-2015
02:56 AM ET (US)

We should kill the mood maker/person with the most sway, it should become a bit clearer who they are as people post

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traube
01-09-2015
07:54 AM ET (US)

My vote goes against Barry at the moment.

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Lord
01-09-2015
09:17 AM ET (US)

Almost night.

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Hornets
01-09-2015
10:28 AM ET (US)

I'm thinking Barry or Timeaisis. Timeaisis has the advantage of, as far as I'm aware, not having accused any of us at all. Barry has called me and traube (I think) suspicious as we both went no lynch in the block after johnnyquicknives. I think avoiding someone who has accused us initially will help throw them off the scent, but Barry seems good at this so we'll probably want to lose him fairly soon after. Nin1000 as well as they've named 3 of us - me, traube and pants.

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traube
01-09-2015
10:34 AM ET (US)

I don't see Nin1000 as a problem, yet. He accused us mainly because we just voted without saying why in the post.

By naming 3 of us he kind of put himself in a safe spot. So I think we should not kill him now. Maybe in the third night?

Barry, Timeaisis, or Amirox seem plausible. Barry could become a real problem. So getting rid of him soon may be a good option

Palmer_v1 is still on my list. He is very active. And like I said already, he asked about the special roles of the tourist. For me that still looks like he already knew that special roles are in the game. But maybe I am reading to much into it.

Barry, Timeaisis, Palmer_v1 or Amirox are on top of my list at the moment.

I'd go with Barry. As time progresses he will become more and more trouble for us.

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Pants
01-09-2015
11:08 AM ET (US)

So yeah let us murk Barry.

Anyone you guys are particularly interested in for me to seduce? I dont really have a clear idea yet, but I tend to think the quieter ones have roles.

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Hornets
01-09-2015
11:13 AM ET (US)

Same question as Pants, any thoughts on who I should lock up? I don't really have any ideas at this point.

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Lord
01-09-2015
11:21 AM ET (US)

I think you're reading too much into it, but I can watch Palmer tonight to make sure.

Timeaisis was the only one not pointing a finger at you 3. It might be wise to kill them, but I still stand firm on Barry's death. However, if you think killing Barry could seriously put us at risk I would play it safe.

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Pants
01-09-2015
11:35 AM ET (US)

I'm interested in kingkitty I'm going to seduce him if no one has another plan.

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Lord
01-09-2015
11:54 AM ET (US)

Nope nothing. Right now we need to fan out and hope we get lucky.

I'm going to Watch Palmer tonight, unless someone has something better.

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traube
01-09-2015
11:57 AM ET (US)

I fear that Barry will become a lot of trouble in the future. But we can also play it "safe" and go with Timeaisis.

In the recruitment thread Barry mentioned that he played a lot already.
"I used to play a lot of mafia back in the day both on irc and in a couple forums. Mother 3 mafia on starmen.net was AMAZING."

Makes him even more dangerous.

Watching palmer sounds like a good idea.Edited 01-09-2015 12:00 PM

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Lord
01-09-2015
12:10 PM ET (US)

The only worry I have is the potential doctor on the other side, but Barry needs to die.

I am watching Palmer now.

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Pants
01-09-2015
12:22 PM ET (US)

right, I'm seducing kingkitty then, PMing crab.

Who's going to PM crab our kill, since it looks like barry is toast

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Lord
01-09-2015
12:35 PM ET (US)

If Hornets is in agreement too, I'll send the PM.

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traube
01-09-2015
01:18 PM ET (US)

btw. should we ever need a scapegoat. I am willing to take that job. Being a useless goon losing me will not hurt that much.

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Hornets
01-09-2015
02:05 PM ET (US)

Yeah, go with Barry. Still not sure who to lock up, would a standard tourist know about it? I'm wondering if it's better to hold off for the first night so they don't know about that being one of the roles. On the other hand, if someone comes out saying that they got locked up then it could cast suspicion on them as the roles, and how many there are, haven't been mentioned anywhere but here so some might see it as a ploy.

Thoughts?

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Pants
01-10-2015
12:17 AM ET (US)

There's a small chance you (and me) can get caught locking someone up, but i think it's worth the risk.

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traube
01-10-2015
10:22 AM ET (US)

The waiting sucks. Can't wait for the reactions.

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Lord
01-10-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)

I sent the pm yesterday, but haven't received a confirmation yet.

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Hornets
01-10-2015
10:40 AM ET (US)

I'm gonna block Foshy, purely because they seem to be bringing the roles up quite a lot. I mean, it's not like I have anything else to go on at this point is there?

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traube
01-10-2015
10:45 AM ET (US)

At the moment it is pure luck to block the right person, I think. Let's hope we are lucky.

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Lord
01-10-2015
11:22 AM ET (US)

Yeah might as well go for it.

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Lord
01-12-2015
08:43 AM ET (US)

Oh shit. Traube was right. Palmer targeted someone, looks like we have a kill for tomorrow.

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Lord
01-12-2015
08:50 AM ET (US)

We lucked out hard. We killed a strong player with a role, and we have another roled player to kill tomorrow.

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Lord
01-12-2015
08:51 AM ET (US)

Lets just hope no one targeted us.

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traube
01-12-2015
09:48 AM ET (US)

Not bad for the first day. Reactions will be interesting.

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Lord
01-12-2015
12:02 PM ET (US)

Palmer letting more things slip? I hope we hit the jackpot.

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traube
01-12-2015
12:52 PM ET (US)

Palmer has to go. No matter what.

Will be interesting what the rest says. Especially Amirox.

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Pants
01-12-2015
01:49 PM ET (US)

My seduction feels so useless. But yeah Palmer seems like a nice soft target.

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traube
01-13-2015
01:53 PM ET (US)

Very good. They are starting to talk about killing the inactive players.

We can also use that later to shift blame on Timeaisis who is in favour of this idea.

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Lord
01-13-2015
02:07 PM ET (US)

No. I'm about to support him. Strong town at the start, while gradually posting less and less is my gameplan.

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traube
01-13-2015
02:41 PM ET (US)

Sure. But later it could bite him in the ass being so aggressive against townies. Almost like he already knew about their role.

I trying to take a more neutral role.

Maybe I will fake being a cop later in the game. Should I live that long and the numbers of townies are already low.

So we could easily kill 2 players that day before the will lynch me.

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Hornets
01-13-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)

I'm wondering if it's actually worth blocking Palmer until he becomes more threatening. How many "good" guys normally have roles in a game this size? I'm just thinking if we keep blocking him we could make him come out and say stuff about his role, which I've always found is good to cast suspicion on that person. Though yeah, the usefulness of that depends on how many roles they have.

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Lord
01-13-2015
03:26 PM ET (US)

Well, Barrys role was really specific and niche. I'd except at least a few common roles, on top of Cop and Doctor.

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Pants
01-14-2015
12:05 PM ET (US)

I'm going to play the role of townie ditz for a while. Going to lightly push for no lynch (obviously I want a lynch) but I wont support my position too strongly. That way I can come back and say I was looking after the town again (tbh lynch can be span as for the town too).

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traube
01-16-2015
08:53 AM ET (US)

Well, we didn't do much and they are already at each others throats.

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Lord
01-16-2015
11:03 AM ET (US)

I think we should block Palmer for 2 nights to see how he reacts.Edited 01-16-2015 11:05 AM

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traube
01-16-2015
11:05 AM ET (US)

And who do you lynch this night?

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Lord
01-16-2015
05:22 PM ET (US)

Not sure. I'm still thinking everything over.

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traube
01-17-2015
05:52 AM ET (US)

If things stay the way there are now, I would not go with Kalor, Timeaisis and Palmer. I tried to build some suspicion that they are working together. Should egruntz really be lynched, others may also start to blame those three.

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pants
01-19-2015
02:07 AM ET (US)

lmao at egruntz digging a tunnel to hell for himself.

I'm still very interested in kingkitty, going to seduce him a second night and see what shakes loose.Edited 01-19-2015 02:07 AM

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traube
01-19-2015
02:23 PM ET (US)

egruntz was a freebie.

What do you think of Amirox? On the first day he looked like a strong player, but he hasn't posted anything one day 2, I think.

Did he lose interest our is he trying to keep a very low profile?

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Lord
01-19-2015
07:03 PM ET (US)

Lets just take Palmer out. We don't really have a better option tonight.

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pants
01-19-2015
11:05 PM ET (US)

Yeah Palmer can go, I'm good with that. If Amirox lost interest it likely means he has a nothing role, but yes he could be playing it low profile, but he's being a bit obvious for that. I'd get rid of him sooner rather than later.

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Lord
01-19-2015
11:56 PM ET (US)

I'm watching Ward tonight.

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traube
01-20-2015
02:27 AM ET (US)

Check out post #59.

I still think we can use it, that those three voted "together". Although that may be a very stupid move for the Mafia.

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pants
01-20-2015
07:07 AM ET (US)

#59 ?

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traube
01-20-2015
09:43 AM ET (US)

Post #59 of this board
I'll just copy it

"If things stay the way there are now, I would not go with Kalor, Timeaisis and Palmer. I tried to build some suspicion that they are working together. Should egruntz really be lynched, others may also start to blame those three."

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Lord
01-20-2015
12:13 PM ET (US)

Maybe, but if we start blocking Palmer he'll know we know and he'll probably claim his role. If they believe him that conspiracy will unravel and if he's not Docter we wouldn't be able kill him at that point either.

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pants
01-20-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)

I think we should do as much as is in our control and worry about manipulation as necessary

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traube
01-20-2015
12:51 PM ET (US)

It's okay. We can go with palmer. Still possible to blame the other two anyway. And with palmer we know that he has a power role. Maybe we are lucky and he is a cop.

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pants
01-20-2015
01:35 PM ET (US)

Since the three of us are the only ones active lets kinda work out who PMs Crab, are we going to setup a roster or do it by who seems to have the least heat? I prefer roster, makes it a bit less dumbluck

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Hornets
01-20-2015
02:05 PM ET (US)

Sorry, would be more active but I don't really have any thoughts on anything at the moment. It's too early for me to be able to figure out tactics still. I'll hopefully post more later on in the game >_>

On who PMs Crab, I don't think it matters does it? Is anyone other than us and Crab going to be able to find out who's PM'd him?

Also I'm still not entirely sold on killing Palmer right now, he's someone we know we can block as opposed to the complete guesswork we've got going on. On top of that, since he's one of the more active players I reckon that if he comes out and says that he's been blocked it'll cast suspicion on him and on the people who tend to agree with him, in a sort of "is he just saying this to trick people into thinking he's town" kind of way. Plus if he says whoever he found out about, and they're town, anyone who's suspicious of Palmer will by default be suspicious of them, as it'll seem like he's just trying to protect them.

Those are my thoughts, don't know if things ever actually play out like that but hey. Yeah. Thoughts yo.

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traube
01-20-2015
02:06 PM ET (US)

They can spot us, when we send the kill order?

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Hornets
01-20-2015
02:08 PM ET (US)

Also I've just realised that I said I have no thoughts and then posted a paragraph. OOPS.

I didn't think I had any thoughts but apparently I do

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traube
01-20-2015
02:09 PM ET (US)

Duress could also be our target. He voted to lynch johnnyquicknives, just like egruntz did. May draw some suspicion to johnny.

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pants
01-20-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)

They can spot us, when we send the kill order?

Yes, whomever is sending the PM is at risk, so if someone has particular heat on them, why risk a cop catching them etc.

If we dont go with Palmer, I'm good with traube's plan of trying to cast doubt on the unholy trio since they blitzed egruntz

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traube
01-20-2015
03:16 PM ET (US)

In that case let me send the kill order. I have no power role. So losing me will hurt the least.

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pants
01-20-2015
04:03 PM ET (US)

I dont really care that much about winning, I've won many of these games, I want us all to have fun so I'll send it next after you. I dont want this to become too serious of a game really

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pants
01-20-2015
04:04 PM ET (US)

i.e. I dont want people to feel useless, or not value themselves, you're special to me dammit :3

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traube
01-20-2015
04:08 PM ET (US)

FUN?! What nonsense is that?

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Hornets
01-20-2015
04:31 PM ET (US)

HAHA, PANTS IS JUST HAVING FUN MAGGLE!

Sorry, wrassling joke. I'll show myself out.

And to be fair, just look at how egruntz turned out. Being too serious about a game is never going to go well. Especially a team game.Edited 01-20-2015 04:32 PM

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traube
01-21-2015
06:42 AM ET (US)

So who do we kill tonight? If we block palmer we could pick someone else and hope to get lucky.

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Hornets
01-21-2015
08:31 AM ET (US)

I quite like traube's idea of going for Duress. Might have a quick run through the thread this evening to see if there's anyone else we can use that would cast suspicion on anyone else

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traube
01-21-2015
12:04 PM ET (US)

I probably will not be able to send the pm before tomorrow afternoon (Europe time). So someone else probably has to do it. I am fine with everybody.

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Lord
01-21-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)

I'm fine with Duress as long as Palmer is blocked. I'll send the PM too.

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Hornets
01-21-2015
07:18 PM ET (US)

Oh shit didn't realise how short nights were, who's sent the kill order and has anyone blocked Palmer?

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Crab
01-21-2015
07:26 PM ET (US)

Can I have your night commands as swiftly as possible, please?

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Lord
01-22-2015
12:34 AM ET (US)

I sent the kill order. Block Palmer Hornets.

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Hornets
01-22-2015
06:18 AM ET (US)

Done! Palmer's not going to be bothering anyone tonight.

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traube
01-22-2015
03:19 PM ET (US)

And suddenly Amirox is back. Maybe we should have picked him.

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Hornets
01-25-2015
11:41 AM ET (US)

Holy shit we lucked out on Duress

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traube
01-25-2015
12:26 PM ET (US)

I don't get it. Why did he die despite his power?

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Hornets
01-25-2015
01:30 PM ET (US)

I imagine it's one that you have to manually activate, and because it was so early he didn't feel like he was in danger.

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traube
01-25-2015
03:20 PM ET (US)

I don't think so.
"You can survive being target by an action that kills in the night phase once per game. You will be informed when this ability has been used up."

Sound to me like it is a passive power and crab would tell him that he survived an attack.

So maybe there is a tourist with some kind of assassin power or a third party out there?

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Hornets
01-25-2015
07:56 PM ET (US)

...huh.

Shit just got interesting.

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Lord
01-25-2015
09:48 PM ET (US)

Wow. There has to be a third party. I wonder if it's Palmer. Either he's a serial killer/Vigilante or a doctor blocked the real SK/V's kill. or the SK/V attacked Duress both nights.Edited 01-25-2015 09:49 PM

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Hornets
01-26-2015
07:34 AM ET (US)

Looks like it's Mr. Quicknives, somewhat fittingly

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traube
01-26-2015
10:34 AM ET (US)

"Duress could also be our target. He voted to lynch johnnyquicknives, just like egruntz did. May draw some suspicion to johnny." - traube
"I believe johnnyquickknives is a mafioso." - Foshy

"Excellent" - Mr. Burns

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traube
01-27-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)

At the moment I think we should take out amirox this night. I think he is keeping a very low profile for whatever reason. On day 2 he was posting nothing, I think. But suddenly after the lynching he posts again and now he seems to be silent again.

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pants
01-27-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)

Yup Amir0x disturbs my peace. He's not the kind of poster to be quiet about anything, so I think hes holding an ace.

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traube
01-27-2015
01:22 PM ET (US)

I have a feeling he is a cop are maybe a doctor. Trying to get some time to check out a lot of players.

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pants
02-01-2015
04:20 AM ET (US)

Well I just threw a tiny molotov Amir0x's way. I feel agitating him a bit may make him reveal his role (if any) besides that it kinda clears me if we decide to off him later lol

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103
Lord
02-01-2015
01:01 PM ET (US)

Foshy dies. Lets go all in with Johnnyquickknives.

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traube
02-01-2015
01:53 PM ET (US)

Sorry. Did not see the post and already voted for Kalor.

But it would have looked suspicious for me to for johnny anyway, I think. I never suspected him before.

I am afraid it could turn out to be a tie. Kalor would be stupid not to vote for someone if it is still possible for him to do make a tie happen.Edited 02-01-2015 01:55 PM

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Lord
02-01-2015
02:02 PM ET (US)

No no. Kalor should die today, hopefully. Then tomorrow the main person attacking johnny ends up dead again. Should cast plenty of suspicion.

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Hornets
02-01-2015
02:02 PM ET (US)

I'm going to stay indecisive for a day or two longer. People haven't suspected me yet, so to stay kind of in the background not really influencing things seems like it'll still come across as non-mafia

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traube
02-01-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)

Isn't it already the last day before night?

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Lord
02-01-2015
03:48 PM ET (US)

Damn this kinda backfired.

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109
Crab
02-01-2015
07:25 PM ET (US)

Just a polite reminder to get your kills and actions in on time this night. We've had a day run perfectly to schedule, let's get the night done too.

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Lord
02-01-2015
09:05 PM ET (US)

I'm going to watch Ultron87.

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traube
02-02-2015
06:12 AM ET (US)

I can send the kill message this night. Who do we pick? I am still for Amir0x.

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Lord
02-02-2015
07:22 AM ET (US)

Amir0x is getting heat right now it might be best to let him sit.

We could kill Kalor. I honestly think that would cause the most Chaos. It would also make it difficult for us to get singled out of the nine that voted for either.

Also make sure Palmer continues to be roleblocked.

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traube
02-02-2015
07:36 AM ET (US)

Kalor is also fine. But can someone watch Amir0x?

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traube
02-02-2015
08:47 AM ET (US)

btw. do you think johnny tried to kill Duress during the 2nd night? Duress voted to lynch him. That would explain why Duress did die despite having the power role.Edited 02-02-2015 08:49 AM

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Hornets
02-02-2015
09:01 AM ET (US)

I'll keep blocking Palmer.

Johnny's comment about what happens when you vote for him makes more sense within the context of Duress' role too, seems likely that that was what happened.

Also, when I said a day or two longer I meant as in day phases, not actual days.

Kalor makes sense, could put more heat on Amir0x.

Also sorry I didn't try to move things over to Kalor a bit more last night. I did a tiny bit of death and ended up in bed at like 8. Illness is the worse :C

Still, I think we're in a good position.

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traube
02-02-2015
10:21 AM ET (US)

Do we have 2 blocker or 2 watcher?

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Lord
02-02-2015
12:28 PM ET (US)

2 Blocker.

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traube
02-02-2015
01:07 PM ET (US)

You don't get feedback for a successful block, right?

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pants
02-02-2015
01:13 PM ET (US)

Nah, I get nothing. I'm going to keep on blocking kingkitty. Moving to Amir0x now I feel would be suicide because of the attention as a cop could easily sniff me out and I'd have to explain what I was doing during the night phase

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traube
02-02-2015
01:14 PM ET (US)

I did send the PM to kill Kalor.

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pants
02-02-2015
01:19 PM ET (US)

Hmm I see, I dont disagree that he needs to go, but I probably would have gone Karkador next, since Kalor still has a lot of heat on him and could still be lynched. Lets stick with Kalor though. Reason I want Karkador offed is due to him being vocal, I kinda want people to be a little scared of being vocal to sow uncertainty and mistrust.

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Lord
02-02-2015
02:10 PM ET (US)

I'll watch Amir0x next night, but my gut says no role. I'm just not feeling it.

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Lord
02-03-2015
07:04 PM ET (US)

Shit 2 killers. Ultron targeted Palmer last night. I don't think Crab was supposed to tell me that though.

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Crab
02-03-2015
07:10 PM ET (US)

I copied and pasted that message from another format I keep and just edit the names into, my apologies. It's not necessarily accurate as to who ultron targeted. Could be, could not be. ultron87 did target someone, at least.Edited 02-03-2015 07:13 PM

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Lord
02-03-2015
07:19 PM ET (US)

Ward was clearly a vigilante kill, but I think Foshy was third party. I can't understand why a town aligned would kill Foshy.

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Lord
02-03-2015
07:37 PM ET (US)

Thanks for clarifying Crab.

I have a quick question. If X has a role and we kill them, does that cancel out their night action? Would a kill go through?

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Crab
02-03-2015
07:38 PM ET (US)

Depends on the specificities of their role; but conventionally a kill outranks most other night actions. Multiple kills are resolved simultaneously.

Actually, this is probably relevant information that you should know, so I'll say it officially: there is one (1) role with a night action in this game that takes place before kills. You'll know it when you find it.

Of course, how many people have that role is another matter.Edited 02-04-2015 03:18 AM

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traube
02-04-2015
07:09 AM ET (US)

Crazy night again. I guess a doctor protected Kalor.

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Lord
02-04-2015
06:19 PM ET (US)

Wow. So there is only 1 killer. Thank you QuantumBro.

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pants
02-05-2015
10:00 AM ET (US)

Things are getting fun

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pants
02-06-2015
09:19 PM ET (US)

aww yis they are targeting Karkador. doing my jawb for me

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Lord
02-09-2015
04:21 PM ET (US)

I'm probably gonna let the clock run out without voting this week. I'm putting myself in the spot light a tad too much with these bandwagons.

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traube
02-10-2015
08:56 AM ET (US)

I'll also have to be careful. Palmer is getting suspicious of me.

Probably stick with my vote against Kalor.Edited 02-10-2015 08:56 AM

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Hornets
02-10-2015
09:35 AM ET (US)

Hm

I should post something

Prodding looks suspicious

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Lord
02-10-2015
11:52 AM ET (US)

So we're killing Ultron correct? Roled and all that, I wasn't sure if anyone had another plan though. Technically we could roleblock them too.

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traube
02-10-2015
12:03 PM ET (US)

Because of the pm you received from crab?

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Lord
02-10-2015
12:21 PM ET (US)

Yeah. He's likely got a active role. It's possible he's either our switcher or vigilante.

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Hornets
02-10-2015
02:28 PM ET (US)

I made my first lynch vote wooo!

I'm trying to play as if I am actually town and forget about everything happening here. Makes it a bit easier to blend in I think.

Also targeting Ultron seems like a good idea, unless we get the other blocker (sorry, forgot which of you guys it was) to block him. Having two people we know we can block instead of going on guesswork seems like it might pan out better.

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Lord
02-10-2015
04:06 PM ET (US)

I'm gonna watch Rembrandt tonight. I'd be surprised if Amir0x makes it past tomorrow. The innocent lynch will add even more fuel to the fire, assuming the other killer doesn't hit him.Edited 02-10-2015 04:07 PM

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Lord
02-11-2015
03:26 AM ET (US)

That's kinda crappy, Crab. Votes should be locked in when the day is supposed to end.

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pants
02-11-2015
03:48 AM ET (US)

Agreed I want to continue playing up suspicion of Amir0x without him actually being lynched. This ruins it.

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Crab
02-11-2015
08:09 AM ET (US)

As you can see, votes after the deadline aren't counted, for the obvious reason that (as last night), I may not always be able to make it home or with access to a computer 100%.

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Lord
02-11-2015
12:32 PM ET (US)

Thanks. IRL takes precedence of course. I kinda overreacted.

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pants
02-11-2015
12:36 PM ET (US)

Stay safe Crab. RL first always :3

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Lord
02-11-2015
01:47 PM ET (US)

So kill or block Ultron? Any ideas on who to kill if we block Ultron?

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traube
02-11-2015
03:41 PM ET (US)

My guts tell me that we should try a player who is not too active. Maybe someone did not even vote yet? Trying to keep a low profile

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Hornets
02-11-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)

Yeah, blocking Ultron and killing someone completely out of left field might be a good plan. Keep them on their toes instead of going for the obvious.

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Lord
02-11-2015
04:21 PM ET (US)

How about Rembrandt? That's who I was going to watch tonight. Low activity but no prods.

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pants
02-12-2015
04:03 AM ET (US)

Can we get Karakador. I kinda want to get some of the more vocal players

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traube
02-12-2015
05:59 AM ET (US)

I would pick tomakasatnav. He did not vote last round. Don't think he has been too active. BUT he seems to be an experienced player:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143539723&postcount=4

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Lord
02-12-2015
03:25 PM ET (US)

I just want to make sure we're gunning for that Town killer. The numbers are thinning fast and I don't want some rouge attacking anyone who lynchs a town.

They clearly attacked Foshy because he led the attack on Johnny. If Airm0x gets lynched next week, who started the attack on him? It's not a good situation.

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traube
02-12-2015
03:41 PM ET (US)

Assuming crab made a mistake... But okay. We can go with Ultron this night. I will send the pm tomorrow if everyone is okay with it.

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Lord
02-12-2015
03:51 PM ET (US)

I'm not saying Ultron needs to die. I'm completely fine with Ultron blocked. I just don't want to hit someone unless we think they're roled.

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pants
02-13-2015
12:53 AM ET (US)

We dont really know who's rolled so we need to be hitting players with influence (vocally) and ones that arent too likely to get lynched. For the record I started in against Amir0x, but I've been playing that smartly enough to never make his death become my hill to die on. I created tension between the town and Amir0x so there can be a buffer between one of us us getting lynched. When Amir0x outlives his usefulness and get's lynched (actually before) I'll create another scapegoat. People who actually argue back are harder to do so for, as they drag you down into suspicion with them. That's why I want Karakdor gone, he's only going to trip up our manipulations down the line. Palmer has shown himself to be ineffective here (and nudge able if he's onto a path we dont want him to be) but should also be someone we keep an eye on. This game is all about making others do what you want.

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Lord
02-13-2015
01:54 AM ET (US)

Karakador is fine. We don't really have a better option. I'll keep watch inactives to try to rout out roles.

Current Plan.
Block: Ultron, Palmer
Watch: Rembrandt
Kill: Karakador

Is everyone fine with this?

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Hornets
02-13-2015
05:14 AM ET (US)

I'm happy with that plan, and I'll take Palmer again

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traube
02-13-2015
07:54 AM ET (US)

Okay. I did send the pm to crab to take care of Karkador.

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pants
02-13-2015
09:47 AM ET (US)

Do you guys need me to block ultron then?

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Lord
02-13-2015
02:05 PM ET (US)

Yes. Please, and Thank you.

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pants
02-13-2015
07:45 PM ET (US)

done

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pants
02-13-2015
07:46 PM ET (US)

Since this is the first time I'm not blocking kingkitty, I'd be interested in seeing what he does tonight

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pants
02-13-2015
07:55 PM ET (US)

welp, someone is protecting Karkador or he has an ability

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traube
02-14-2015
01:34 AM ET (US)

What is going on in this hotel?

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traube
02-15-2015
05:52 AM ET (US)

Crab : Should a mafia member die. Does he also have to stop posting in this board?

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Crab
02-15-2015
06:55 PM ET (US)

Yes.

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Lord
02-15-2015
10:20 PM ET (US)

We should have killed Ultron. He knows that Hornets and I are both roled. We're fucked if Palmer admits to being roleblocked as well.

If Palmer comes out they'll be able to put 2 and 2 together that my target led to Hornets block.

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pants
02-16-2015
01:00 AM ET (US)

Well the silver lining is we'll also have know who some of the other role players are.

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traube
02-16-2015
08:15 AM ET (US)

Shit. You were right. Should have taken care of Ultron last night.

Palmer has to die this night.

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Hornets
02-16-2015
11:25 AM ET (US)

Balls. What are the chances Palmer hasn't actually done anything and hasn't had any block messages?

Either way, we need a defense plan.

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traube
02-16-2015
11:37 AM ET (US)

Block ultron and kill palmer or maybe timeasis would be my suggestion.

Cop will probably protect ultron. Although he may know that we will not attack ultron because we assume he is protected.

But I think blocking ultron is the better option at the moment. We have to get rid of palmer before he can talk to much.

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pants
02-16-2015
01:41 PM ET (US)

Guys no. We cant ever do anything against ultron again safely. If they are smart they will just camp ultron and wait for us to kill/block him and then they have one of us. We need to get rid of the other role-players that outed themselves first, because once we're relatively sure they dont have another roleplayer, we're safer to kill ultron. Killing him or performing an action against him is a huge mistake tonight. (yes i know this sucks because he gets more time to suss us out, but we have to hope he watches someone who isnt our target)

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pants
02-16-2015
01:56 PM ET (US)

well there goes that idea. ultron is sure to watch one of those two

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traube
02-16-2015
02:24 PM ET (US)

I hope nobody suggest that we should stop lynching from now on. Then we would be in even more trouble.

Things are looking really bad for us. :

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Lord
02-16-2015
08:30 PM ET (US)

Sweet and sour right now. Palmers role is useless. We've been blocking him for nothing, but he didn't mention being blocked.

I don't think Palmer knows.

Ultron will surely be saved this week but we'll have a free shot at whoever else.Edited 02-16-2015 08:35 PM

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Lord
02-16-2015
08:38 PM ET (US)

That said get your alibi straight Hornets. We'll probably be revealed soon regardless.Edited 02-16-2015 08:39 PM

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traube
02-17-2015
01:36 AM ET (US)

QuantumBro will switch one of them. Maybe we should take him out?

And I am not sure it is true what he said about crabs answer to his question:

"There are two people A and B.
A: Villager.
B: Mafia killing A.

1. If I switch A and B, would B kill themselves?

Crab: Yes."

Could just be a trick to get us scared.Edited 02-17-2015 01:38 AM

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Hornets
02-17-2015
04:41 AM ET (US)

Heeeey, we lucked out. Unless Palmer's lying to lure me out. But still, so far so good.

When I've got a bit more time (i.e. haven't just started work), I'll have a look into roles that exist in various versions of Mafia. See if there's a good benign one I can claim I am, given the only people I've blocked so far have been Palmer and Foshy, and neither exactly are going to come out to say I've blocked them when they either A) don't know or B) are dead >_>Edited 02-17-2015 04:42 AM

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Lord
02-17-2015
06:27 AM ET (US)

I need advice.

Ultron is gonna give up our names eventually. I think it's in my best interest to role claim now.

My plan is to role claim watcher and say I watched Palmer, Kalor, Armi0x, and Rembrandt in that order. That should let me spin my Johnny and No lynch votes for Protown.

The only risks I see are;

A: If Armi0x is roled I'm screwed and the plan might pull people away from voting from him by me saying he targeted nobody. I'm deadset on him not being roled though.
B: if Palmer is lying I'm screwed, but I don't think he is. I don't think his role gives feedback.
C: An unknown 3rd party calling me out.

Thoughts?

Maybe I could just leave Armi0x out of it and say I watched Ward instead.Edited 02-17-2015 06:42 AM

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traube
02-17-2015
07:02 AM ET (US)

I agree. I think you should claim a role. Timeaisis is onto you. Already said that he thinks the third person is mafia.

I am not sure about Palmer. Would be a great trick to fake his, role although he actually is a cop or doctor. Would make him a less likely target for us.

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Lord
02-17-2015
07:11 AM ET (US)

Nah, he thinks the third person who targeted him on Night 2 is Mafia. We never targeted him.

I watched Palmer on Day 1, and Hornets targeted him on Day 3. Timeaisis is calling for the other 3 names to be revealed though.

It's only a matter of time until Ultron gives in. It might not be this Day but it's coming. Getting ahead of this is probably for the best.

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traube
02-17-2015
07:22 AM ET (US)

Ah. That is good to know. I thought the third person was one of us.

I'd still say we take out Palmer this night.

And if nothing changes Amirox will be lynched. He did not help his own cause with his post.Edited 02-17-2015 07:30 AM

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Lord
02-17-2015
08:15 AM ET (US)

If I do it here's my post. I might add or remore but this is the just.

Giving up Armi0x would solidify me as protown but is that something everyone would be okay with?
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I targeted Palmer on Night 1. I'm a Watcher. My role is similar to Ultrons except I'm only able to see if they targeted someone.

After Barrys death I've tried to keep my head low. It scared me honestly. I'm still not sure if this is safe but I'd rather the town hear this from me. I 'm putting my trust in all of you.

Night 1: Palmer has targeted someone during the night.
Night 2: Kalor has not targeted this night.
Night 3: Ward/Armi0x has not targeted this night.
Night 4: Rembrandt has not targeted this night.

My plans. I no lynched on the first day because we had nothing to go on. I randomly picked a person to watch on Day 1. Palmer never struck me as Mafia though so I never launched a campaign. On Day 2 I voted for Egruntz. It was a wrong blind guess, but there was nothing to prove Egruntzs innocence. On Night 2 I targeted Kalor. He was getting some suspicion so the hope was to prove it one way or the other. My role told me that Kalor targeted no one. This was enough for me to fight for Kalor for 2 weeks. I targeted Johnny in an attempt to force a tie. My plan backfired. Johnny died and Kalor was still on the chopping block.

Armi0x: On night 3 I targeted Armi0x. Again I found someone that was most likely protown. This put me in a very difficult situation. I decided to not repeat the events of Day 3. This was the main reason I no lynched on Day 4. I didn't want another Johnny situation. I tried to lay out some hints, that Karkador caught on to, but it wasn't enough. I'm truly sorry to Kalor, Johnny, and everyone. I don't want to repeat the last two day. I'm 100% that Armi0x is protown.

Ward: On night 3 I targeted Ward. I wanted to hit some inactive members in an attempt to find Mafia. Again I found someone that was most likely protown. I decided to try not repeat the events of Day 3. This was the main reason I no lynched on Day 4. I didn't want another Johnny situation. I didn't have strong proof Armi0x was innocent but I believed him. I tried to lay out some strong hints on Kalors innocence, Karkador caught on, but it wasn't enough. I'm truly sorry to Kalor, Johnny, and everyone.Edited 02-17-2015 08:16 AM

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traube
02-17-2015
11:08 AM ET (US)

No targeting anyone would not make Amirox town. So I don't see a problem if you go with that story.

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Lord
02-17-2015
11:33 AM ET (US)

It wouldn't no, but it might be enough to sway people away from voting. Then again if they do lynch him I'd look even better.

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pants
02-17-2015
12:12 PM ET (US)

Dont be to eager to role claim. I think I got this. We have two role blockers.

We kill ultron (rendering his investigation useless)
I block Karkador (since he's the doc, he cant save ultron)
Second block goes to Quantumbro (no hijinks from him)

We can on the next night then Kill Karkador, block Quantumbro and see what else shakes loose.

The above is risky since if they have another investigative role they will likely find one of us snooping the three of them, but I think at that point we should come up with the cover stories.

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pants
02-17-2015
12:13 PM ET (US)

Worst case scenario one of us dies. It's better than Lord having to keep up an elaborate lie (that we're going to have to look the other way about and possibly implicate ourselves by our silence)

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Lord
02-17-2015
12:16 PM ET (US)

If Kark is the doctor then who saved Kark last night?

I agree though, I'll wait. I thought they were showing strong organisation but their newest posts have kind of undone that.

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traube
02-17-2015
12:41 PM ET (US)

Kark being Doc makes not much sense. But no idea why he would lie. Would only make sense if he is talking over pm with other players. Which I assume he is not doing. Because it is against the rules.

Maybe he wants to be killed.Edited 02-17-2015 12:41 PM

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pants
02-17-2015
01:09 PM ET (US)

Yeah, my post is a work in progress as more gets revealed we should edit it, there could also be two doctors. These three are still only a handful out of the whole.

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Hornets
02-17-2015
01:16 PM ET (US)

The main problem I have with killing ultron is the possibility of there being multiple doctor/cop roles. Anyone with any of those roles is likely to think that ultron'll be killed tonight, which will fuck all our shit up. And given that Kark survived last night, it seems likely that at least one person will be able to save ultron.

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traube
02-17-2015
01:21 PM ET (US)

At least two people can protect Ultron. The doc (Kalk?) and the switcher (QuantumBro).

So I agree we should not attack him. Chances are high that at least one person will protect/watch him.

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Lord
02-17-2015
01:27 PM ET (US)

Will the doc save Kark or Ultron. A risky gambit.

If Ultron hasn't outed us yet we might have to take a chance on it. My role claiming will only buy a few days. We need to shut Ultron up.

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Lord
02-17-2015
01:42 PM ET (US)

It's also worth noting that we don't know what variation of Doctor he is.

He may be able to self target or have some type of 1 death immunity.

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traube
02-17-2015
03:29 PM ET (US)

I think Karka is bluffing. If he really can't help the same person twice in a row, he will not target Ultron. Knowing we will no attack him. Still risky to go for Ultron though, considering other power roles.

I guess he will protect QuantumBro this night.

So we should not target QuantumBro or Ultron, to be kind of safe.Edited 02-17-2015 03:31 PM

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pants
02-17-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)

either way, this takes care of the issue

We kill ultron (rendering his investigation useless)
I block Karkador (since he's the doc, he cant save ultron)
Second block goes to Quantumbro (no hijinks from him)

we cant play it too safe

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Lord
02-18-2015
02:59 AM ET (US)

I agree. If Ultron hasn't revealed us by the end of the Day we have to do this.

If there is another Doc odds are good they'll protect Kark over Ultron.

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traube
02-18-2015
06:04 AM ET (US)

Don't we have only one blocker?

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Lord
02-18-2015
07:09 AM ET (US)

No, two blockers.

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traube
02-18-2015
08:24 AM ET (US)

Okay, my mistake. I still have a feeling that Karka is trying to lure us. Telling us about his power and his next target. Seems like a stupid move, unless he is not telling is the truth or everything about his power.

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Lord
02-18-2015
08:36 AM ET (US)

I think he's lying about last nights target. I think he targeted himself last night. I doubt there's more than 1 healing role in the game.

I think he targeted himself every night except 2. He said Palmer for night 4 for some unknown reason. Maybe a ploy or an attempt not to seem selfish.

or he's lying in general, but I think my theory is more likely.

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Lord
02-20-2015
12:57 PM ET (US)

Could Traube have been blocked? Maybe town has a blocker that doesn't inform you of the block.

I read through everything again and I don't think Kark was lying. I'm not sure what happened last week

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traube
02-20-2015
01:03 PM ET (US)

Did not think about that. But it may be possible to block the kill action. I thought that you could only protect the target, but not block the killer.

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Hornets
02-20-2015
01:22 PM ET (US)

Possibly, though I feel that would be a bit OP and unfair. I do think the kill action can be blocked though, I remember that coming up earlier in the main thread.

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Lord
02-20-2015
02:38 PM ET (US)

You get no feedback for the kill though. If we run with the Palmer theory you only receive feedback if you use an action that receives a message back.

Mafiascum says the same. "Players are not told they are blocked *unless* it cannot be helped."

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Hornets
02-20-2015
02:56 PM ET (US)

Isn't Palmer a special case though? In my role PM Crab said that the player would know they were blocked regardless.

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Lord
02-21-2015
12:43 PM ET (US)

Still, I think to be safe someone else should send the kill message this week. The next 3 kills are very important.

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traube
02-22-2015
01:02 PM ET (US)

I think so too. I don't think I am on anyone's radar yet. At least not on one of the role claimers.

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Lord
02-22-2015
01:27 PM ET (US)

Okay current plan.

Kill: Ultron87
Block: Karkador, QuantumBro
Watch: Nin1000

Sound good?

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traube
02-22-2015
02:01 PM ET (US)

Makes sense. But I have a feeling that it is a trap. But not many other options. Unless we pick one of the inactive players.

But they do not know that we have two blockers.Edited 02-22-2015 02:06 PM

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Lord
02-22-2015
02:41 PM ET (US)

Ultron still has our names. If there is another Doctor I doubt they save Ultron over Karkador.

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pants
02-23-2015
12:18 AM ET (US)

That's the current plan yes, it's a risky gambit, but we've been playing it easy all game, it's about time the town steps up their game and pressure us a little xD

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pants
02-23-2015
12:20 AM ET (US)

I'll send in the kill tonight too, overall losing a roleblocker wont be the end of the world if tonight goes off without a hitch.

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pants
02-23-2015
12:21 AM ET (US)

Just let me know if everyone is okay with the below then I'll send it in.

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Hornets
02-23-2015
04:44 AM ET (US)

I'm happy with the plan, Ultron having our names isn't going to end well for us. I'll block Kark.

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pants
02-23-2015
09:34 AM ET (US)

Everyone else good?

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traube
02-23-2015
12:07 PM ET (US)

Yeah, I am okay with the plan. Not much risk for me today.

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Lord
02-23-2015
12:15 PM ET (US)

Yep. Lets do it.

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pants
02-23-2015
02:52 PM ET (US)

sending

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pants
02-23-2015
02:55 PM ET (US)

sent kill - ultron
sent block - Karkador

I fully expect to be suspected/called out during the next phase lol

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Lord
02-23-2015
06:51 PM ET (US)

Well, if the Vigilante gets one of us tonight its been fun.

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traube
02-24-2015
12:44 AM ET (US)

Next day will be interesting. Even if everything works as planned they will know that we have at least 2 blockers.

Karkador and Quantumbro will most likely tell the rest about it.

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Hornets
02-24-2015
03:55 AM ET (US)

Blocked QuantumBro since pants stole Kark >:C

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pants
02-24-2015
08:15 AM ET (US)

I said i'm doing Karkador!

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Hornets
02-24-2015
11:26 AM ET (US)

...so you did.

That was ages ago though, you can't expect me to remember >_>

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traube
02-25-2015
05:44 AM ET (US)

We are doomed.

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Lord
02-25-2015
07:20 AM ET (US)

Yeah.

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Lord
02-25-2015
07:28 AM ET (US)

Nin targeted someone during the night. I'm also gonna guess El topo knows I'm Mafia but doesn't want to role claim.

I'll try to talk my way out of this if it gains traction.

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Hornets
02-25-2015
07:37 AM ET (US)

Huh. Well. No deaths is...interesting. So we can assume someone other than QuantumBro and Kark saved ultron, but then who was the extra death man targeting, and how did they survive?

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pants
02-25-2015
07:53 AM ET (US)

welp.

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traube
02-25-2015
07:56 AM ET (US)

I am going to lynch you Lord, if it saves my skin.

I also think he is a cop.Edited 02-25-2015 07:56 AM

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traube
02-25-2015
10:53 AM ET (US)

Did you get any feedback from crab, that your actions were blocked?

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pants
02-26-2015
12:28 AM ET (US)

Nothing, but I didnt ask. I dont think he'd be able to anyway.
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Lord
02-26-2015
01:47 PM ET (US)

Quantumbro and Karkador still haven't posted yet, interesting.

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Lord
02-26-2015
03:22 PM ET (US)

El topo may be a cop, but he holds no traction inside the town. Not a single person has even responded.

FYI I deleted that post because I was curious.

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traube
02-27-2015
06:44 AM ET (US)

Guess I lucked out this night.

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Lord
02-27-2015
07:18 PM ET (US)

Okay. I think I'm good.

So Ulton is a no go. How about nin for tonight?

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traube
02-28-2015
12:33 AM ET (US)

Don't be to sure about that. No one else voted yet. Yesterday we did not have any suspect besides Amir0x. Will be interesting if someone else will also draw attention.

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Lord
02-28-2015
08:18 PM ET (US)

Well shit.

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Hornets
02-28-2015
08:58 PM ET (US)

Fuck you El Topo I just don't talk much :C

I mean you're right but shut uuuup!

I'll write out a defense post here tomorrow, given it's 2AM for me right now. I'll post it at around 6PM GMT with any thoughts anyone has.Edited 02-28-2015 09:02 PM

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pants
03-01-2015
12:13 PM ET (US)

The game is slowing down significantly

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Hornets
03-01-2015
12:50 PM ET (US)

Right. OK. Defense time.

"*insert El Topo post here*

Well this isn't good. No, I don't post much, and I do keep intending to post more (and probably will after this >_>), but between difficulties keeping up with the thread and not really having any major thoughts when I do catch up, it's kind of hard to come up with useful posts. Doesn't help that I'm normally super self-conscious when posting anyway, let alone somewhere where all my posts are being put under scrutiny. I mean, at this point we still haven't really got anywhere yet. We've only killed tourists so far, and it hasn't exactly been based on a whole lot each time. Hell, look at the egruntz situation, that seemed to happen basically because he was being a bit of a dick. Surely you can see why I'd like to show a bit of precaution.

*post he made 9 minutes later*

Not sure I quite understand what your point about the prods is here, it seems like you're saying that people who've been prodded are less suspicious. Why would a prod make someone less suspicious? Or have I just completely misunderstood?

Moving on, my thoughts for today:

I don't like this ultron situation. I mean it's good that no-one died but...I dunno. It seems like something someone could've made up. It sounds risky, but no-one's going to want to come out if they don't have to. On top of that, I feel like the roles that ultron, Kark and Quantum have taken for themselves work as a cover up quite well. Quantum claims that someone switched Kalor with Ward, but what if he was mafia and just straight out killed Ward? Then after ultron made his post (in-game) yesterday, they could pretend that they each just protected each other and hey! It worked out!

I need to go back and solidify my thoughts more, but...yeah."

...ok I'll give it a bit longer than 10 minutes until posting. Let's say in an hour. Thoughts, anyone? That took way too much effort to come up with.Edited 03-01-2015 12:52 PM

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Hornets
03-01-2015
05:25 PM ET (US)

Nothing? Alrighty then, gonna post it

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traube
03-02-2015
09:43 AM ET (US)

Sorry. Did not see your post. I think that one of you guys will be lynched today. Pants and I could try to vote "for" you. But that would probably lead to us getting lynched next.

Maybe you two are able to make the vote a draw.Edited 03-02-2015 09:44 AM

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Hornets
03-03-2015
04:35 AM ET (US)

Hang on. Quantum switched Kalor and Ward correct? But claimed that it wasn't him to start out. I can use this.

Say Quantum, Kark and Ultron are mafia. They killed Ward, made up this switching thing to make Kalor look suspicious. Kalor gets lynched, normal person. A couple of game days later, when the Kalor situation isn't as fresh in everyone's minds, Quantum says that he is the switcher. Then no-one dies that night, so everyone just thinks that him, Kark and Ultron were protected by each other when actually they just didn't send in a kill order. People want to try to keep power roles and that makes them look trustworthy. I can also say that if we lynch Quantum, he's arguably the least useful of the three power roles, as the kill order is still in play, just directed to someone else, so at least if he isn't mafia then at least we haven't killed someone super useful. Better than going in hard on one of the obviously better roles, right?

We can salvage this. We've got this.

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Hornets
03-03-2015
08:12 AM ET (US)

Reading back through the thread

"Crab also told me that my role is applied before everyone else's, so if someone was protecting you that night, they would now protect Karkador instead."

I'm guessing this means blocking doesn't have an effect, so when Kark got blocked it ended up blocking traube, which is why ultron survived

Quantum is definitely the best for us to try and get a lynch on if this is true

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Hornets
03-03-2015
08:17 AM ET (US)

"Ah right, yeah I see what you're going for. It kind of makes sense, but I feel like it doesn't quite work for accusing people who haven't been prodded. I haven't forgotten about the game, I just haven't known what to actually post. The two times I've voted for someone (Kalor and Amir0x) were two times when I thought people definitely looked suspicious, but even then those wasn't based on a whole lot of information. Ami was based on odd posting, which I thought could be him pretending to be bad at the game (when it turns out he actually was bad). And now that I think about it, Kalor was because Quantum claimed the switch happened. I wasn't convinced until that happened, and none of it was because of Kalor himself. He got placed in an unfortunate situation, and we all pounced on him.

So potential series of events given my latest train of thought:

People are suspicious of Kalor
The mafia kill Ward
Quantum claims he got a message saying "Switch: Ward and Kalor", framing him
This makes Kalor look super suspicious, and he gets lynched
A couple of game days later, after it's not as fresh in our minds, Ultron reveals that he's been watching people each night but doesn't say who he saw targeting each person
Quantum reveals that he did the switch, and who he switched each night, except every night other than the supposed Kalor/Ward switch had no visible effect
No-one dies that night
Quantum and Kark can claim that they protected each other and Ultron and it worked
Gain trust from everyone

...this makes too much sense to me.

VOTE: QuantumBro"

Anyone see anything that is easily counterable or cover blowing in here? Just want to check before posting

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pants
03-03-2015
09:43 AM ET (US)

sorry been super busy at work will try and catch up

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traube
03-03-2015
10:57 AM ET (US)

It may work.

But I am afraid I can't back you on that in the thread, before some other player do so. Would make me look extremely suspicious later.

For our night kill I would pick El Topo. His post makes it look like he is a cop. So we should take him out before he draws the attention of a doc.

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traube
03-03-2015
01:03 PM ET (US)

And you should go ahead with your post. Tomorrow this day will end.

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traube
03-04-2015
08:21 AM ET (US)

Any idea on votes? Hornet got 2 votes at the moment and Lord 1. So a tie would be possible at the moment.Edited 03-04-2015 08:21 AM

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Hornets
03-04-2015
10:42 AM ET (US)

I believe I've got 2, QuantumBro has 1 and Lord has none. Topo originally voted for him, but changed to me.

So yeah, a tie is still possible

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traube
03-04-2015
11:06 AM ET (US)

If things stay the same the best move for you would be to change your vote and pick Lord. But I assume that there will be more votes before the day ends.Edited 03-04-2015 11:06 AM

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Hornets
03-04-2015
12:05 PM ET (US)

...well THAT'S interesting.

Quantum voted to lynch Kalor before switching him for Ward. I wonder what caused the change of heart.

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Lord
03-04-2015
03:51 PM ET (US)

No one followed El Tropo. He was the first to point a finger at me and the cast gained 0 support.
Voting for me won't help unless you have a damn good case to go with it.

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traube
03-04-2015
03:54 PM ET (US)

shit. don't see a way to save you hornets. :/ we could force a tie. but that would make it pretty obvious whats going on.

any ideas what to do?

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Lord
03-04-2015
04:03 PM ET (US)

If Hornets switches to no lynch before the deadline I might no lynch too. The day ends in 2 hours though.

I can lead in with the third no lynch and Hornets can tie.

Edit: I misscounted Hornets can tie right now.Edited 03-04-2015 04:06 PM

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Hornets
03-04-2015
04:07 PM ET (US)

Current standings are 2 no lynches, 3 for me, 1 for Quantum, right?

I can go no lynch out of self preservation, which will even it out.

This is irritating, 'cause I'm legitimately trying to sort out my sleeping pattern like I said in the main thread but I need to keep an eye on this to not fuck everything up :/Edited 03-04-2015 04:10 PM

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traube
03-04-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)

ah. you can tie with a no lynch vote. I did not think of that. that may actually help us. even if hornets would get lynched today. we can shift blame at the other players who voted no lynch in that case.

you should definitely vote no lynch to safe yourself, hornets.

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Lord
03-04-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)

Yes.

My post is ready. I'm gonna wait a little longer but I will no lynch before the day ends.

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Hornets
03-04-2015
04:18 PM ET (US)

Cool, just writing up a post now

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Hornets
03-04-2015
04:27 PM ET (US)

Ok posted, hopefully the thread stays as dead as it is right now.

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traube
03-04-2015
04:35 PM ET (US)

el topo getting salty

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traube
03-04-2015
04:42 PM ET (US)

shit. so what to do? you want me to vote no lynch? would make both of us even more suspicious. but I'll do it, if you want me to.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:02 PM ET (US)

If it comes to it yes. We might need the help.

If you think you can write something good to go along with the no lynch, go for it.Edited 03-04-2015 05:03 PM

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:04 PM ET (US)

Just don't be like "Meh... No lynch"

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:17 PM ET (US)

FYI 40 minutes until day end.

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traube
03-04-2015
05:18 PM ET (US)

I know. still waiting if someone else votes against robots. that would make my vote useless. I am also afraid that ultron may be baiting us by voting no lynch. and he may change his vote just before the day ends.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:20 PM ET (US)

Ultron knows Hornets is roled. I think that's why he no lynched.

You can role claim if you want Hornets. It's up to you. You're running out of options.

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traube
03-04-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)

robots you here?

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traube
03-04-2015
05:29 PM ET (US)

do you plan to claim your role? if yes. please let me vote first. I'll vote to lynch you and could switch after you claimed your role.

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Hornets
03-04-2015
05:31 PM ET (US)

Right, any other viable targets I could convince Quantum to switch to?

If I roleclaim, would it be better to go with my actual role? I feel like I could pretend to have Lord's, which would work if I don't get lynched. If I do get lynched though, ultron might be like "...hang on a second". If I take mine though, I don't know how I'd spin it.

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traube
03-04-2015
05:33 PM ET (US)

hmm you are the watcher, just like ultron?

and just go ahead with your role claim. i'll vote no lynch after that.Edited 03-04-2015 05:33 PM

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traube
03-04-2015
05:34 PM ET (US)

damn. mattyg also wants to lynch you and he has not voted yet. :/

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:36 PM ET (US)

A watcher will work. You can see if anyone targeted anyone else. Mention Ultron. He'll be able to back you up somewhat.

25 min, so hurry.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:38 PM ET (US)

It won't matter the role claim should sway enough voters..

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)

Go ahead and lock your vote in traube.

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Hornets
03-04-2015
05:43 PM ET (US)

Lord, who have you targeted each night?

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:48 PM ET (US)

Night 1: Ward has not targeted someone during the night.
Night 2: Kalor has not targeted this night.
Night 3: Palmer has targeted someone during the night.
Night 4: Rembrandt has not targeted this night.
Night 5: Nin1000 has targeted someone during the night.Edited 03-04-2015 05:49 PM

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Hornets
03-04-2015
05:49 PM ET (US)

Ward was ordinary, I'll say didn't target

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Hornets
03-04-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)

Come on Ultron!

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)

Yeah I fixed it, typo.

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traube
03-04-2015
05:50 PM ET (US)

done

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traube
03-04-2015
05:52 PM ET (US)

like a damn fiddle

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:53 PM ET (US)

Hold the list!!! !!!!!!!!!!

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:54 PM ET (US)

Promise to give it next week if you're still alive. I need time to think. This will completely ruin my narrative.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:55 PM ET (US)

or stall, or something.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:56 PM ET (US)

You're a vote ahead now.

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Hornets
03-04-2015
05:57 PM ET (US)

Skin of our fucking teeth right here

Damnit, I should've put a "I'm going to bed" at the end of my last post

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)

Fuck. 2 min.

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Lord
03-04-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)

Yes!!!!!!

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traube
03-04-2015
06:01 PM ET (US)

So. El Topo will be our next target, right?

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Hornets
03-04-2015
06:02 PM ET (US)

FUCKING YES MATE

I fucking pulled it off!

I don't even care if we lose now, when they find out that I'm mafia is going to be glorious, whenever it happens

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traube
03-04-2015
06:03 PM ET (US)

yeah. this alone was totally worth it. crab sure will have some fun with todays posts.

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Hornets
03-04-2015
06:03 PM ET (US)

Right I'm actually going to bed now, that was exhausting. NIGHT Y'ALL.

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traube
03-04-2015
06:04 PM ET (US)

yeah. i will also hit the hay soon. already too late.

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Lord
03-04-2015
06:30 PM ET (US)

Okay, good night everyone.

Topo is a bad kill choice. He's hot right now and we don't really know if he's roled. Nin is not hot and we know that they're roled. Let me watch Topo tonight.

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pants
03-05-2015
03:17 AM ET (US)

Congrats lol

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Lord
03-05-2015
04:12 AM ET (US)

I decided that If I'm forced to role claim I will roleclaim as an Enabler Cop.
Even if they don't 100% believe me killing me without another cops report would be too risky.
As long as no one catches me in a lie, I think I can pull it off.Edited 03-05-2015 04:13 AM

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Hornets
03-05-2015
04:14 AM ET (US)

Man, I have no idea what the game plan going forward is now. Who am I (Lord) going to watch? Who am I (real me) going to block? Is Quantum really going to help me? If so, who is he going to switch me with? This is super important, we don't accidentally want to target whoever he picks and end up killing me. On top of that, what's the vigilante going to do?

I think the best course of action for why I didn't mention my (Lord's) role sooner would be to claim that it seems much more useful as a late game skill, as I don't get all that much information and is more useful when we have a better idea of who has roles and such.

Oh god this is too stressful can I bail?

Lord: What's an enabler cop?Edited 03-05-2015 04:15 AM

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Lord
03-05-2015
04:33 AM ET (US)

An Enabler has a named power role(that role isn't active) but when killed cancels the role of all players that share it .
So I could say I'm The Chief of Police, or Chief Physician, and lynching me would cause the other legit role(s) to go inactive.

I'm still looking through possible roleclaim replacements.

Also, I'm going to read through your posts to try and help string together a narrative based around your role.

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Hornets
03-05-2015
04:44 AM ET (US)

Problem with that though is you wouldn't be able to target anyone, would you?

Bearing in mind that I haven't found examples of the switcher role anywhere, it might be an idea to see if you can make one up?

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Lord
03-05-2015
04:55 AM ET (US)

Actually nm. I forgot Ultrob knows I'm roled. It has to be active.

Switcher.
wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

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Hornets
03-05-2015
05:02 AM ET (US)

Aha, ok thanks.

And that confirms what happened last night. Traube got blocked, Kark was fine and Ultron was protected. Damn.

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traube
03-05-2015
08:00 AM ET (US)

We should probably add one of us to your list.

I don't think we should pick Nin1000 tonight as our target.

Would be to obvious to put him in your list and take him out before he has a chance to react to it.

May be risky if he is a cop or something, because we could force him to reveal himself.

I'd pick palmer or timeasis. I still don't think that palmer is just a sleep walker.

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pants
03-05-2015
11:06 AM ET (US)

I havent specifically followed this phase very well, I've been getting grinded at work this week. I'll defer to you guys and contribute more next phase. (please give me a block target!)

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Hornets
03-05-2015
12:29 PM ET (US)

Pants, I have no idea at all

This phase went a bit mental

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traube
03-05-2015
12:53 PM ET (US)

What about blocking Ultron? And who sends the target to crab?Edited 03-05-2015 12:54 PM

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Lord
03-05-2015
08:08 PM ET (US)

The list wasn't posted yet and will change. Nin doesn't have to be in it.

Palmer had no reason to lie. If he knew about the roleblock he would have said something. Even if he isn't a sleepwalker, his role isn't important enough to matter IMO.

With the knowledge that Quantumbros switch role has priority over our blocking role(s) he is our bigest threat. With Quantum gone we can safely block Ultron and Kark with no opposition.
The only reason I'm so insistent on hitting Nin is because our two other biggest threats are the Cop/Vig.

I thought about it and here's my plan.

Kill: Quantumbro
Block: Kark and Ultron
Watch: El Topo

We keep Nin in the list and force a roleclaim. BUT we need to decide on how to present it. I'm working on not only a past narrative but also a future plan, more info later.
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One thing to remember though is Hornets list has to be as close to mine as possible. There's a role that can see action details, but not who sent them. That could screw as if it's in the game.
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Night 1: Traube has not targeted someone this night.
Night 2: Kalor has not targeted this night.
Night 3 Palmer targeted someone this night.
Night 4: Rembrandt has not targeted someone this night.
Night 5: Nin1000 targeted someone this night.
Night 6: El topo is he's clean.

From then on starting on Night 7 you'll be "roleblocked" by the Mafia.Edited 03-05-2015 08:46 PM

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Lord
03-05-2015
09:13 PM ET (US)

Crab

2 questions for clarification.

1: If a Bus Driver switches x and y would our roleblock stop that switch?
2: If a Doctor targets themself, or someone else, would our roleblock stop the heal?

So priority wise. Switch > Block > Doctor > Kill

Correct, or would a Block not cancel a Kill?Edited 03-05-2015 09:14 PM

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pants
03-05-2015
11:47 PM ET (US)

switch has the highest priority from what I saw (hence our clusterfuck of a night)

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pants
03-05-2015
11:48 PM ET (US)

If we go with Lord's plan I'll block Kark

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Lord
03-06-2015
12:42 AM ET (US)

I'll be blunt here. Your (Hornets) best possible expectations for not being lynched is 3 Day phases. Your claimed role is weak. It'll be easy to convince the town that Kark/Ultron/Quantum took the Mafias attention.
If we can't find another roled player to kill the night after Ultron dies though, you'll likely be lynched that day. You might be able to lean on "Mafia are letting me live so you'll lynch me!" (and invoke the ghost of Johnny to help), but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Revised: You voted for Kalor/Armi0x so neither should be on the list. KingKitty never informed the town that they were blocked so that's our best bet for an unroled townie, and honestly the less dead names the better.
Edit: I'm revising the revise. KingKitty is bad. Foshy instead. We can't give them too many names or our head will be up for chopping.

Night 1: Traube has not targeted someone this night.
Night 2: Foshy has not targeted someone this night.
Night 3 Palmer targeted someone this night.
Night 4: Rembrandt has not targeted someone this night.
Night 5: Nin1000 targeted someone this night.
Night 6: ?
Night 7: Roleblocked
Night 8: Roleblocked
Night 9: Roleblocked

As for Nin. I'd play it coyly.Act like you want to protect the other town roles, and see how the town reacts. or you can just blurt it out. It's up to you. Either way could work.
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*I do want this to be very clear though.*** If we out Nin and they're a cop it could be the single biggest mistake in the game and the reason we lose.*** We have the element of surprise, and there can't be many roles left. ***

To hammer the point in.

Roles:

_Town_
Barry - Old Colonial (One use)
Duress - Real Tough Guy (One use)
Johnnyquickknives - American (One use)
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Palmer - Sleepwalker (Passive)
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Karkador - Doctor (Active)
QuantumBro - Switcher (Active)
Ultron - Peeping Tom (Active)
? - Vigilante (Active)
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Nin1000 - ? (?)
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_Mafia_
Hornets - Roleblocker (Active)
Lord - Watcher (Active)
Pants - Roleblocker (Active)
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Ordinary:

_Town_
egruntz
Foshy
Ward
Kalor
irfanaator
Amir0x
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_Mafia_
traube
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Uncomfirmed:

AbsolutBro
El Topo (got lucky, certain if they knew we were Mafia they would have claimed when Hornets did)
kingkitty (likely ordinary due to unawareness of Roleblock)
Mattyg
Rembrandt (likey ordinary due to no target on watch)
Staydead
Timeasis (very pro town almost 100% positive they would have roleclaimed by now)
tomakasatnav
Zippedpinhead (very pro town about 45% positive they would have roleclaimed by now)

27 total. 9 confirmed town roles. 3 confirmed Mafia roles. 7 confirmed ordinary. 8 unacounted for.

How many more town roles could there possibly be?Edited 03-06-2015 05:59 AM

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Crab
03-06-2015
06:43 AM ET (US)

@lord;

I can't be specific about how blocking with regards to specific roles. In general, all targeting actions are resolved simultaneously. If two actions somehow conflict (as a general example, two roleblockers, one of whom is a mafia killer, both target each other, while the mafia killer also attempts to kill someone else), these roles will have priorities and one is given a higher priority than other that determines the outcome. If your role has is one which is prioritized, I will have mentioned it in your role PM details. I cannot tell you what the role priorities of others are because that would entail revealing or confirming their role PM. I will confirm without reference to a specific role PM that role-blocking takes priority over all but one role in this game.Edited 03-06-2015 06:44 AM

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traube
03-06-2015
09:32 AM ET (US)

Can someone check out tomakasatnav this night? Still have a feeling about him.

"*I do want this to be very clear though.*** If we out Nin and they're a cop it could be the single biggest mistake in the game and the reason we lose.*** We have the element of surprise, and there can't be many roles left. ***"

Maybe we should really just pick him. Would make Hornets list, not that interesting for the townies, but it is very unlikely that someone will protect Nin this night. Don't think he is on anyone's radar.


And another thing:

What about lying? We could say Rembrandt targeted someone during the night and see how it plays out.Edited 03-06-2015 09:52 AM

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Lord
03-06-2015
09:54 AM ET (US)

I'll watch Tom. El topo is a dead end, I'm sure.
I agree on nin. Quantum is a huge risk, but killing the cop could potentially win the game for us.

New plan.
Kill: Nin1000 (I'll send the kill message)
Block: pants/kark, Hornets/ultron
Watch: Tomaka

So on the role claim list, Hornets, I'd switch Nin1000 out with Kark, and tonights target should be Quantumbro.
Spin the narrative that you wanted to see if they were really roled.
Again this is just my advice. Change what you need.

Also are you okay with being included in the list traube? It might be more trouble than it's worth.

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Lord
03-06-2015
10:03 AM ET (US)

Lying is tricky. It would probably get us a free lynch, but will immediately result in Hornets lynch because your role is posted when you die.

You can hold back a few names. Hell, I'd probably recommend it. The other roleclaims are doing it too. Save Rembrandt for a suicide.

That's actually my new recommend. Give traube, foshy, palmer and Quantumbro. Hold night 4/5.Edited 03-06-2015 10:04 AM

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traube
03-06-2015
10:09 AM ET (US)

I am already on the list of Zippedpinhead. So I don't really care.

Should they lynch robots before me, it may make me look less suspicious, even if they will not fully believe his list.Edited 03-06-2015 10:09 AM

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traube
03-06-2015
10:14 AM ET (US)

And another thing. What do you think about this?

I am thinking about posting something like this.

"I agree with El Topo that not lynching is a bad move and we should avoid it from now an. I'd say everybody who votes no lynch or does not vote at all should become our next target."

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Lord
03-06-2015
10:30 AM ET (US)

Also Thanks for the write up Crab. I know there are limits to what you can say, and I appreciate the effort to give me an answer.
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Go for it. I'm staying in the "voting for an inactive, just because they're inactive, is bad" camp.

Staying far away from each other opinion-wise is good. Distance.

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pants
03-06-2015
11:08 AM ET (US)

Go for it, i'll banter with you regarding that point (the no lynch) but I wont let it boil over. I'm committed to the no lynch persona at least for another round. It helps give us the option of steering that way. Also I failed at starting a suspicion wave on someone last time out like I said so i'll see if there is a opp[opportunity this time round (for next round)

Are we all decided on the plan?

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Lord
03-06-2015
11:19 AM ET (US)

Crazy thought. What if Hornets holds back two names and accuses me in 2-3 days or when Ultron reveals me? I crush Hornets claim, Hornets gets lynched, and I'm solidifed as town. It might be better than a quick lynch.

Like Ultron points his finger at me, and I'm like "I'm the real Watcher Robot is a fraud." and we legit argue it out. Whoever wins won't be lynchee for a good stretch.Edited 03-06-2015 11:22 AM

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traube
03-06-2015
12:04 PM ET (US)

May work and it would be fun.

But I don't think hornets will be able to withhold names for too long. There will be a lot of pressure to post the names.

I am also thinking of posting something like this.

I received a message from crabs this night.

"Someone put a letter under my pillow. Written with a typewriter. The letter says: "You are welcome. Don't expect more help.""Edited 03-06-2015 12:07 PM

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Hornets
03-06-2015
03:05 PM ET (US)

So what, do like a "These people haven't targeted anyone, so I'm pretty sure they'd be town. The people I checked out on Nights *insert numbers* did target people, but given that I don't know what their targeting was, I'm going to withhold their names" kind of deal? That could work.

I'm heading out in a minute and I have a phone from like the 60s (ie. I won't be able to use the internet for a few hours), shall I block Ultron? I wonder who he targeted last night. I haven't fully processed the full conversation, but I'll give it another read and make sure to post as soon as possible tomorrow to avoid it looking like I'm just slinking back into the shadows again.Edited 03-06-2015 03:06 PM

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Hornets
03-06-2015
03:24 PM ET (US)

Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and block Ultron, I need to go now

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Hornets
03-06-2015
03:25 PM ET (US)

Done

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Lord
03-06-2015
06:57 PM ET (US)

Okay. My actions are sent. Sorry about the lateness.

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pants
03-07-2015
12:54 AM ET (US)

sent sorry for the wait

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traube
03-09-2015
10:10 AM ET (US)

Did someone lynch crab this night?

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Lord
03-09-2015
01:48 PM ET (US)

Someone's probably getting replaced.

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Lord
03-10-2015
02:54 PM ET (US)

Wow. Kark was lying. That makes sense. Doc is down.

Tom visited no one.

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traube
03-10-2015
03:01 PM ET (US)

How do you figure that Kark was lying?

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Lord
03-10-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)

Sorry I was in the middle of an edit.

No. They both have to be Docs. If Nin had saved anyone we would have known. Karks specified role is also different. He can self target and can't hit the same target mutiple times in a row.

I'm starting to think that there's not a cop though. Too many power roles as it is.

Hitting nin was a good decision.Edited 03-10-2015 03:07 PM

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Lord
03-10-2015
03:32 PM ET (US)

I'm still down for calling Hornets out if the town isn't going for the roleclaim.

If Ultron calls me out I'm as good as dead anyway. I might try roleclaiming Cop though. I just might. The worst that'll happen is the real Cop reveals himself and we kill him.

I'm really starting to think that there's no cop.

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traube
03-10-2015
03:36 PM ET (US)

Will be interesting how they react to hornets list.

And yeah claim to be a cop. Would be fun at least.

And we have a good chance of getting a free lynch kill before they take care of you.Edited 03-10-2015 03:37 PM

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traube
03-10-2015
04:12 PM ET (US)

Oh I just realized that QuantumBro is the switcher. I thought that was Karks role. That is why I did not understand you post about him lying.

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Lord
03-10-2015
04:17 PM ET (US)

My current list advice.

Night 1: Traube no target
(Hold)Night 2: KingKitty target
Night 3: Palmer target
(Hold) Night 4: Rembrandt target
Night 5: Quantumbro target
Night 6: Tomakasatnav no target

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Crab
03-10-2015
04:48 PM ET (US)

This is a personal apology for missing the Day 6 reveal ultron87 was saved. I hope it wouldn't have changed any of your decisions and if it did I'm genuinely sorry. I can't do anything to fix any different decisions you would have made at this stage, so you'll have to chalk it up to host fuck-up. :(Edited 03-10-2015 04:54 PM

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traube
03-10-2015
05:02 PM ET (US)

No problem. Don't think it would have changed anything. But good to know why ultron did not die that night.

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Lord
03-10-2015
05:06 PM ET (US)

Fuck. That paints a bad picture and could cause Ultron to out me.

I've decided. If Ultron outs me i'm roleclaiming Cop.

Edit: There's no "us" anymore I'm the last name he's got.Edited 03-10-2015 05:11 PM

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Hornets
03-10-2015
06:49 PM ET (US)

Interesting.

Very interesting.

I'll get on this tomorrow morning, I'm knackered right now and don't want to slip up.

Also Crab, don't worry about it, it's cool.

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Lord
03-10-2015
09:53 PM ET (US)

Wait. Ultron said he watched Quantumbro. No mention of a roleblock. What's up with that?

The vigilante is so confusing.
Night 1: Duress
Night 2: Duress
Night 3: Foshy
Night 4: irfanaator (we hit Kark)
Night 5:?
Night 6:?

Even if by some chance Duress was Mafia plus Johnny it doesn't make sense.

Kark claimed he saved Palmer on night 4, this was impossible, we hit Kark that night, he had to of saved himself
Hell maybee those two kills were 1 time hit roles too

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Lord
03-10-2015
11:48 PM ET (US)

Chaos has begun a new.

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Hornets
03-11-2015
05:35 AM ET (US)

"Just want to let everyone know that I'm here, and just got into work. Will write up a more full post later in the day, but for now here's the list (apologies about not getting this out before the end of the last day phase, real life happened). I'm witholding a couple of names who did target people on these nights, for similar reasons to ultron, (ie. not wanting to either cause a lynch on a power role, or reveal that someone does have a power role and making them a mafia target).

Night 1: Traube - no target
Night 2: REDACTED
Night 3: Palmer - target
Night 4: REDACTED
Night 5: Quantumbro - target
Night 6: Tomakasatnav - no target

Like I said, I'll get to a full post later, but I hope this is enough for now"

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Hornets
03-11-2015
02:04 PM ET (US)

Will update for accuracy and post tomorrow if that's the list we're going with, can blame today being my sister's birthday for no post today

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Lord
03-11-2015
02:16 PM ET (US)

Yeah. As of right now, that list is ace.

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Lord
03-11-2015
03:31 PM ET (US)

Crab Can our Kill action be used on a Mafia member, lf everyone agrees of course?

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348
Hornets
03-11-2015
06:42 PM ET (US)

Once again

Like a goddamned fiddle

This is actually hella stressful

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traube
03-12-2015
11:33 AM ET (US)

Hornets, didn't you block Ultron? Why was he able to use his action? Did some tourist block you?

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Hornets
03-12-2015
12:02 PM ET (US)

Wait

Shit

What

I definitely PM'd to block ultron

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Lord
03-12-2015
12:05 PM ET (US)

I wouldn't panic. It's possible that if the person receiving a message was going to receive a negative response anyway then they're not told they were blocked.

So if someone had targeted Quantumbro Ultron would have received a 'blocked' message.Edited 03-12-2015 12:08 PM

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Hornets
03-12-2015
12:23 PM ET (US)

I see what you mean

Is this something you can clarify for us Crab? I mean I suppose it's related to my ability so it could fall within acceptable boundaries. Though obviously it's up to you, your game and all, I won't push it if you don't want to.

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pants
03-12-2015
01:29 PM ET (US)

Game is getting fun now wooo

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traube
03-12-2015
01:41 PM ET (US)

I am thinking of trying to blame Karkador of being the neutral killer.

By claiming to be a Doctor he made sure that someone would try to protect him during the nights because he could be quite sure that there was a real Doctor and QuantomBro would also be able to help him.

Mafia started to block him, because killing him seemed to risky. So he had no chances to make more kills.

I actually think that it is possible that he is the killer.

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traube
03-12-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)

Should I ignore Zippedpinhead or just tell them that I have no role?

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Lord
03-12-2015
04:55 PM ET (US)

Up to you. Do you want to commit to no role? You could try giving a non answer. "I didn't receive any messages that night."

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Hornets
03-12-2015
04:56 PM ET (US)

Thinking about asking who else wants the names, and posting them if it's an overwhelming majority

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traube
03-12-2015
05:01 PM ET (US)

I'll probably only back up hornets by saying that I did not target anyone when he watched me. But I'll not say if I have a role or not.

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Hornets
03-13-2015
08:58 AM ET (US)

...well this is getting interesting

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traube
03-13-2015
09:19 AM ET (US)

Let's hope he is no cop.Edited 03-13-2015 09:19 AM

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Hornets
03-13-2015
10:13 AM ET (US)

...so who have we attempted to kill each night? I've completely forgotten.

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Hornets
03-13-2015
10:15 AM ET (US)

Also what the fuck is going on now

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Crab
03-13-2015
10:29 AM ET (US)

Answering Lord/RBH's question: if a role needs to receive some sort of positive feedback from me (e.g., "They are guilty" or "His role is an X", then they will receive a message telling them they were blocked. If the role doesn't receive positive information from the feedback, or is a role that doesn't get feedback at all (like, for example, nin1000's role), they don't get told. This is to allow you a reasonable amount of time to use your role before town definitely finds out, while not confusing roles that might expect feedback with total silence.

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Hornets
03-13-2015
10:37 AM ET (US)

Alright, thanks man, that makes sense

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traube
03-13-2015
11:06 AM ET (US)

Totally called that he is a neutral killer.

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Lord
03-13-2015
11:32 AM ET (US)

You guys need to pay attention. We attacked Kark on Night 4. He survived,but no message was sent so nin didn't do it. Karkador claimed he targeted Palmer, which was impossible.

Night 1: Barry
Night 2: Duress
Night 3: Kalor
Night 4:Karkador
Night 5: Ultron
Night 6: Nin1000Edited 03-13-2015 11:32 AM

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Lord
03-13-2015
11:58 AM ET (US)

If there's a cop in the game it's most likely AbsolutBro, MattyG, or Staydead.

Current Plan:(Assuming town doesn't lynch either one)
Kill: Quantumbro
Block: Karkador, Ultron
Watch: Staydead

Updated Role list.

One Shot
Barrylocke - Lynch modifier - Dead
Johnnyquickknives - One shot killer - Dead

Passive
Duress - Survives 1 kill - Dead
Palmer - Visits 1 person randomly each night; misdirection - Alive

Active
Karkador - Serial Killer - Alive
nin1000 - Doctor - Dead
QuantumBro - Switcher - Alive
ultron_87 - Peeping Tom - Alive

Lord of Castamere - Watcher - Mafia- Alive
Pants - RoleBlocker - Mafia- Alive
RobotNinjaHornets - RoleBlocker - Mafia - Alive

Ordinary
Foshy - Town
Ward - Town
Kalor - Town
egruntz- Town
irfanaator - Town
Arim0x - Town
traube - Mafia

Unknown
AbsolutBro
El Topo(unlikely cop, would have claimed when Hornets did)
kingkitty(unaware of roleblock)
Mattyg
Rembrandt(Watched no target)
StayDead
Timeasis(very protown unlikely roled)
tomakasatnav(Watched no target)
Zippedpinhead(very protown unlikely roled)Edited 03-13-2015 12:17 PM

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Hornets
03-13-2015
12:42 PM ET (US)

Karkador has extra lives though, likely to give him a chance to win instead of randomly getting killed straight away, which is how he survived.

Also I've just realised Lord that the two names you said to redact are both people who are probably ordinary, is this a good idea? If either of them die or get lynched and they're normal, I'm completely buggered.

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Lord
03-13-2015
12:57 PM ET (US)

Well yeah. Almost everyone at this point is ordinary, and if you accidentally give up the cop you could ruin everything.

The roleclaim was only going to keep you alive for so long. Your best bet at this point is to stall for as long as possible, get an ordinary lynched, and die the next day.

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traube
03-13-2015
01:06 PM ET (US)

If things don't change drastically Karka should get lynched today. Which probably isn't too bad for us.

I'd pick MattyG or AbsolutBro for killing tonight.

Staydead has been very inactive. We could use that to get him lynched tomorrow.

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Lord
03-13-2015
01:15 PM ET (US)

Quantumbro needs to die tonight. His role is too powerful.

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Lord
03-13-2015
01:45 PM ET (US)

So we both killed the Doc last night? Lol

Also lol we're not 'legit shook' If Kark ever reads this, we were blocking your bitch ass for days and you didn't even realize. Get rekted

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Lord
03-13-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)

Crab Something I've been meaning to ask. Will the number of votes needed for an instant lynch lower?

Okay.
Edit 5 votes for Karkador now.Edited 03-13-2015 02:28 PM

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traube
03-13-2015
02:31 PM ET (US)

I hope more people jump on the Karkador-lynch-train quickly and the day ends before people start to change their minds.

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Crab
03-13-2015
02:39 PM ET (US)

As per the rules the number of votes needed for an instant lynch is >50% of however many living players there are. If it doesn't say that at the day-start message, that's because I just forgot to edit what I copied from my pre-formated posts.

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Hornets
03-13-2015
03:18 PM ET (US)

As I believe Crab is going to share this for lols after the games over

Nice wrassling slang Kark

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Lord
03-13-2015
04:26 PM ET (US)

So that's 7 votes. Are you rounding up or down, Crab? Do we need 9 or 10?

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Lord
03-13-2015
04:33 PM ET (US)

Shit. I just realized.
If Karkador gets lynched Quantumbro will undoubtedly switch Ultron with someone else. Which means we can't block him. Which means if we kill Quantumbro we could knowingly give ourselves up if Ultron watches him.

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traube
03-13-2015
04:42 PM ET (US)

Why not block Ultron and QuantumBro and kill Quantum?

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Lord
03-13-2015
05:00 PM ET (US)

Remember, Quantumbros role likely has priority over our RoleBlockers. We don't know this 100%, but it's very likely.

Actually wait lets think.

Night 5:
We attacked Ultron and blocked Quantumbro + Karkador. Ultron was saved by nin. Karkador was switched to traube, presumably. Karkador attacked nin1000. Does nin not dying prove that we can block Quantumbro?Edited 03-13-2015 05:01 PM

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traube
03-14-2015
03:44 AM ET (US)

I am quite sure that we can block the switcher. Quantum will probably get no feedback that his switch was successful.

My guess: block > all other roles

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Lord
03-14-2015
05:11 PM ET (US)

That's incorrect. Crab said 1 role beats RoleBlocker. Quantumbro said that Crab told him his role was that role. Up until now that seemed correct, but nin should have died if Quantumbro can't be blocked.

With Nin not dying on Night 5 we can assume that both Quantumbro and Karkador can be blocked.

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traube
03-14-2015
05:36 PM ET (US)

Based on our knowledge of night 5, yes, Quantumbro was most likely blocked an unable to switch.

"Crab said 1 role beats RoleBlocker." Sorry but where did he say that?

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Lord
03-14-2015
05:41 PM ET (US)

Post 314

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traube
03-14-2015
06:39 PM ET (US)

Thanks.

Still don't think that the switcher can't be blocked. Would make him too powerful.

But no idea which role it could be.

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Lord
03-14-2015
09:17 PM ET (US)

Damn. We are all dancing on a tight rope. You might be alone soon traube, and by soon I mean 4 weeks minimum.

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traube
03-15-2015
06:28 AM ET (US)

Hasn't been to great for us since ultron role claimed. Don't think we will win this. But at least it got way more fun now.

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Hornets
03-15-2015
03:31 PM ET (US)

Wait, idea - I can use one of the redacted names to give someone else cover.

I reveal the redacted names as, say, kingkitty and pants or Lord.

Kingkitty will say that he didn't do anything that night, as can which of you guys I reveal.

Preferably, I'd put Kitty on a night where weirder stuff happened, so it's more of a thing to go after him, instead of one of us.

Turns out, he's ordinary. I'm in the shit. BUT, it looks like the other guy is also innocent. On top of that, one or two of us can vote for him if it looks like it's going heavily in Kingkitty's favour, to make them seem less suspicious in the future.

Just a thought.

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Crab
03-15-2015
04:50 PM ET (US)

One role has priority in case of conflicts. That doesn't mean immunity, it means that if there appears to be very different results depending on what order actions are resolved in, then there needs to be a clear order of precedence in which actions activate. One role has priority over the role blocker.

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Lord
03-15-2015
05:28 PM ET (US)

Don't worry about giving the names yet. Stall for as long as possible. Remember you're not lying. You're protecting innocent town members from the onslaught of the Mafia.

Tomorrow I'm going to attack Rembrandt. Should be an easy lynch.

Also Ultron needs to die tonight. If we keep Quantumbro alive the tow will probably lynch him.Plus Ultron still has my name.

So.

Current Plan
Kill: Ultron
Block: Quantumbro, and ?
Watch : Absloutebro, or StaydeadEdited 03-15-2015 05:41 PM

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pants
03-16-2015
02:04 AM ET (US)

@hornets if you name me as the redacted person, I'll just roleclaim town positive blocker and give an exact, factual accounting of what I did, except for the last two days. My actions aren't really that suspicious.

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Hornets
03-16-2015
05:46 AM ET (US)

My plan relies on me looking like a liar, so it might be better to claim ordinary. I mean I'm pretty much on borrowed time already, as soon as I reveal and it turns out one of them's ordinary, I'm fucked, so I might as well help one of you guys look innocent. It's just an idea I had, and given the amount of risk involved, I understand if noone wants to do it.

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Lord
03-16-2015
01:34 PM ET (US)

You're not fucked. Ultron did the exact same thing, and was never voted for.

Stay calm, keep posting actively, and keep repeating that your trying to protect the town. I actually have higher hopes that you can survive longer now.

Remember, if all 4 of us stay alive (and a person is lynched every day phase) we win in 5 days.

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394
Lord
03-16-2015
02:21 PM ET (US)

Also lol Mattyg got banned in that AngryJoe thread.

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traube
03-16-2015
03:08 PM ET (US)

Kinda new to gaf. But how does such a bann usually last? Probably not permanent, right?

Crab : If you are looking for a replacement. Maybe this guy can help:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p...78973&postcount=778Edited 03-16-2015 03:31 PM

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396
Lord
03-16-2015
03:32 PM ET (US)

Most likely a two week ban, Two week is usually default.

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Lord
03-16-2015
08:46 PM ET (US)

We might need Hornets and pants to vote depending on how things go tomorrow.

Right now
5 - Karkador
2 - Rembrandt

With roughy 23 hours until lock.Edited 03-16-2015 09:13 PM

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Lord
03-16-2015
11:31 PM ET (US)

Edit: Wait there might still be a chance.

2 things. Rembrandt will probably die tonight, and that's fine.
The plan they've laid out restricts what we can do though.

So Current Plan
Kill: Ultron
Block: Quantumbro, Karkador
Warch: AbsoluteBroEdited 03-16-2015 11:34 PM

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pants
03-17-2015
01:01 AM ET (US)

Kark constantly attacking me gave me the excuse to vote for him I wanted. So there we go lol

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Lord
03-17-2015
03:28 AM ET (US)

This is really good. Kark dead tonight means, hopefully, Rembrandt tomorrow.

If everything goes to plan.
5 day phases until victory.
Day/night 7
16- Karkador
15- Ultron
Day/night 8
14- Rembrandt
13- ZippedinHead
Day/night 9
12-?
11-Eltopo
Day/night 10
10- ?
9- ?
Day/night 11
8-?
7-?

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traube
03-17-2015
04:52 AM ET (US)

"So Current Plan
Kill: Ultron
Block: Quantumbro, Karkador
Warch: AbsoluteBro"

I'd suggest this:
Kill: Quantumbro
Block Ultron, Karkador

Killing Quantumbro is a big risk. But there is also the risk that we can not block him. I still don't think he is immune to blocking. But I can't think of another role that would be.

Lord, I think on of us two should change the lynch vote to rembrandt. We have to make sure this day will not end in a tie.

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Lord
03-17-2015
05:23 AM ET (US)

If it comes to that sure, but there are several who haven't voted yet.

I don't know. Ultron still has my name, but we might not have a choice.

Town Current Plan
Karkador Kill: Pants
Ultron Watch: Hornets
Quantumbro Switch: Ultron > Karkador

The problem is what if they're lying? If by chance Quantumbro switches Karkador with someone instead of Ultron and we didn't block Quantumbro, Pants will die.Edited 03-17-2015 05:24 AM

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traube
03-17-2015
05:55 AM ET (US)

I'd assume that by killing Quantumbro we also stop his switch.

Like I said. It is risky. But every move against Quantumbro is. We have no idea if he is saying the truth about his actions and how his power actually works. Maybe he is not even able to target himself.

Oh, and I forgot that Ultron caught you one night. Guess it would be better to take him out. Don't think QuantumBro will target him tonight.Edited 03-17-2015 06:46 AM

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Lord
03-17-2015
07:12 AM ET (US)

Yeah. That's the issue. I'm the last name Ultron holds. If he speaks it I'm fucked.

I think we should keep Quantumbro alive. The town could be ready to tear him apart with the right nudge. What he did today was very scummy. Started the Vote for Karkador, unvoted when Karkador was close to majority, and then voted for Rembrandt with a bandwagon response following.

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405
Lord
03-17-2015
07:51 AM ET (US)

6 - 6 right now, assuming Mattygs vote still counts.

11 hours to go.

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traube
03-17-2015
07:56 AM ET (US)

6 - 6 because Karka voted for himself.

I really hope Karka gets lynched today. If he is to believed he has more than one live. So taking him out during the night will be an unnecessary hard task.

But it isn't looking that way. At least our blocks work against him. But him surviving this day/night will make pants look suspicious.

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Lord
03-17-2015
07:59 AM ET (US)

Btw I'd so love to send a message to Rembrandt right now. "HEY BRO! MAYBE STOP BY AND SAY HELLO AT YOUR EXECUTION?"

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traube
03-17-2015
08:06 AM ET (US)

I just hope he is no cop and decides to pull a hornets by role claiming right before the deadline.

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traube
03-17-2015
04:20 PM ET (US)

Well this became awkwardly quiet. I think we have a tie at the moment. Hornets you vote against karka if times runs out and nothing changes. Karka is still voting for himself at the moment, I think.

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Lord
03-17-2015
04:36 PM ET (US)

2 hours 30 minutes until day end.

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traube
03-17-2015
04:55 PM ET (US)

That was awful timing.

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412
Lord
03-17-2015
05:20 PM ET (US)

Ha I didn't notice we posted the exact same thing at the same time. Beautiful.

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traube
03-17-2015
05:24 PM ET (US)

Mafia would not do something like that.

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pants
03-17-2015
05:32 PM ET (US)

I'm a little bit bored (these long phases are killing me), going to try and have fun the rest of the game, I wont impede any of you =P

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traube
03-17-2015
05:33 PM ET (US)

Yeah. I think in the next round the days could be shorter. Usually just a lot of silence during the day phase. :/

Also find it funny that rembrandt does not give a shit about being lynched. :DEdited 03-17-2015 05:34 PM

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traube
03-17-2015
05:49 PM ET (US)

I am going to bed now. I hope when I wake up we have one serial killer less to worry about.

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Lord
03-17-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)

Okay, fuck it. Tonight will either make or break us, but what the hell...

Current Plan
Kill: Quantumbro
Block: Ultron/Karkador
Watch: Staydead

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Lord
03-17-2015
06:35 PM ET (US)

If this fails, and Quantumbro targets Karkador instead. One of us will die.

Godspeed.

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Lord
03-17-2015
09:40 PM ET (US)

Okay. I can't decide, and I have a personal stake in this so I want you 3 to vote. A few things to consider.

1: Ultron has my name. If he gives it to the town I'm as good as dead. Killing Quantumbro could scare Ultron into talking.
2: To repeat. Quantumbro is a switcher. We don't really know how blocking him works. In a conflict 1 role has priority over the RoleBlocker. We have slight evidence that we can block him. On Night 5 we blocked Quantumbro and Karkador, and QB switched Karkador with Traube. This should have rendered our block unsuccessful, but Karkador claimed to have attacked Nin. If our block failed Nin should have died. Both blocks had to of worked.
3:Plan B also has a major risk. If Quantumbro switchs Karkador instead of Ultron or Ultron watchs someone besides Hornets bad things will happen.

Plan A:
Kill: Ultron
Block: Pants/Quantumbro and Hornets/Karkador

Plan B:
Kill: Quantumbro
Block: Pants/Ultron and Hornets/KarkadorEdited 03-17-2015 09:42 PM

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pants
03-18-2015
12:59 AM ET (US)

This is our chance to get ultron, the doctor is gone and everyone is focussed on Kark. Let's use this situation to our advantage as much as we can. Kark will be lynched tomorrow regardless. (If I survive I'll push super hard)(If ultron survives, he'll push super hard)

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traube
03-18-2015
09:38 AM ET (US)

Both plans are risky.

Plan A: We don't know for sure that blocking QuantumBro works.

Plan B: We don't know who QuantumBro will switch. Ultron may name Lord.

I'd prefer to get rid of QuantumBro. With him out of the picture we control the night as far as we know.

Another point is that Ultron's action made him look like Mafia.

Either way. This night will have a major impact in the remaining days.

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pants
03-18-2015
11:47 PM ET (US)

so lets vote on it

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Lord
03-19-2015
01:19 AM ET (US)

Well you guys have 18 hours so tick tock. We may need to prod Hornets.

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pants
03-19-2015
01:38 AM ET (US)

I'm happy with both, Hornets is in more peril than me so he should get some input at least

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traube
03-19-2015
02:04 AM ET (US)

I am fine with both options. Quantumbro is a big risk either way. If we can not block him we are fucked.

For Lord, taking out Ultron is the better thing to do so. So let's try this.

Should we be able to block QuantumBro we will have no problem next night, unless one of our blockers gets lynched.Edited 03-19-2015 02:04 AM

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pants
03-19-2015
02:07 AM ET (US)

I'm in for ultron.

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traube
03-19-2015
02:16 AM ET (US)

One more thought.

Assuming Quantumbro can indeed be blocked and we take out Ultron tonight:

If one of our blockers gets lynched tomorrow we have a big problem.

We can't block Karkador AND Quantumbro.

And chances are high that either pants or rnh will be lynched next. Not sure if we are able to get Karkador lynched after the last day. Ultron was one of our biggest supporters. With him out of the picture, Karkador will have a much safer position.Edited 03-19-2015 02:18 AM

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Lord
03-19-2015
03:36 AM ET (US)

Not really. We're assuming that our kill will cancel Quantumbros action. If Hornets/Pants gets lynched tomorrow we just kill Quantumbro and block Karkador.

You're right though we kinda need that Karkador vote. That's a good point.

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traube
03-19-2015
04:17 AM ET (US)

QuantumBro may target himself (could also happen this night). The switch will certainly happen before the kill action.

My guess would be that QuantumBro will switch himself with Karkador (should he not be lynched) tomorrow.

I still can't think of another role that can't be blocked. Maybe the cop?

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pants
03-19-2015
04:26 AM ET (US)

Karkador isnt our enemy though, dont think of him as such. Even if he kills me tonight, he's our ally. He's an enemy of the town and they are silly to keep him around. Ultron has it right.

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Lord
03-19-2015
04:39 AM ET (US)

If Quantumbro isn't lying, and he can self target with no restrictions, I highly doubt we can't block him. That would be kinda op.

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traube
03-19-2015
05:13 AM ET (US)

@pants: I agree. But he is also a big unknown for us.

Didn't QuantumBro say that he can not target the same persons twice in a row? Although I think he did say that he switched Timeasis on two following days. Hmmm.

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Lord
03-19-2015
08:00 AM ET (US)

Well we probably have some extra time now. Hopefully Hornets stops by today.

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pants
03-19-2015
09:06 AM ET (US)

Oh Crab

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Hornets
03-19-2015
09:31 AM ET (US)

Sorry, have been ill the last couple of days and spent all my time watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine or sleeping

Will read through what I've missed at some point before tonight

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pants
03-19-2015
01:49 PM ET (US)

looks like we have time, damit crab lol

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traube
03-20-2015
08:52 AM ET (US)

So, did you send something yesterday?

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pants
03-20-2015
10:55 AM ET (US)

No, I;ll only send when we are all happy and agree, hornets included. Dont want to jump the gun here

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Hornets
03-20-2015
11:41 AM ET (US)

Idea:

Watch: Me
Block: Kark/someone else, not sure at this point
Kill: Quantum

This would only work if Ultron does go along with Zipped's plan and watches me tonight, but if it does, that gives Lord a fantastic cover for Night 1: He's the doctor and was protecting me since Ultron could potentially have been blocked which would mess up the plan. We then get full night control, block Karkador from killing any of us, and have a free block, which we can use on whoever you were originally going to watch, and see if they bring it up in the thread.

On a separate note, who's going to replace the now dead completely bland Rembrandt on my list? And should I claim whichever person I watched did their action again tonight and not reveal the name, and push to do the same thing next night?

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traube
03-20-2015
12:22 PM ET (US)

May work. But even more risky than the other plans. Big chance that Ultron will not watch you.

But I am fine with everything. Just make a decision. Crab is waiting. :DEdited 03-20-2015 12:23 PM

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Hornets
03-20-2015
02:11 PM ET (US)

I mean every plan seems to involve me blocking Kark, so should I just go ahead and do it?

I think out of the other two plans I'd be happier killing Quantum, but I can see why Lord would want Ultron dead, so I wouldn't mind if he wants us to go with that over anything else

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Lord
03-21-2015
02:32 AM ET (US)

No. Claiming Doc is a bad idea. We need Watch to find the cop. If I claim I'll be lynched a day or two after the roled players are gone.

Looks like 2 Quantumbro - 1 Ultron. We'll see how it all turns out. Kill action is sent.Edited 03-21-2015 02:36 AM

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traube
03-21-2015
03:46 AM ET (US)

I think we really should go for QuantumBro.

I assume that he will switch Karkador tonight to make sure that his kill will not be blocked.

But he will most likely not switch Karkador with himself. Because there is a high chance that Mafia will attack Karkador tonight.

If I am right about this, then QuantumBro should be without protection.

Kill: QuantumBro
Block: Karkador, Ultron
Watch: ?Edited 03-21-2015 03:46 AM

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Hornets
03-22-2015
12:18 PM ET (US)

I'm gonna block Kark then, Pants you blocking Ultron?

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pants
03-23-2015
01:02 AM ET (US)

Will block ultron.

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pants
03-23-2015
01:28 AM ET (US)

action sent

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Crab
03-23-2015
06:14 PM ET (US)

My condolences, pants. You played well. Sacrificing yourself to take out a powerful town role is no bad move. Hope to see you again next time!Edited 03-23-2015 06:29 PM

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Hornets
03-23-2015
06:36 PM ET (US)

So...wait what how is pants dead, I blocked Kark whaaaaat?

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traube
03-23-2015
06:43 PM ET (US)

Damn. Sorry pants.

But overall I think it is important that QuantumBro is out of the picture.

So what did happen?

QuantumBro did switch Karkador before he was killed?

or

Someone blocked Hornets.

With pants dead Ultron was most likely not blocked. Let's hope he did not watch Lord tonight.

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450
Crab
03-23-2015
06:45 PM ET (US)

All actions resolve before death. If pants blocked someone and nothing else interfered, that block still worked.

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traube
03-23-2015
06:55 PM ET (US)

Thanks for clearing that up.

So Quantum probably switched Karkador and someone else got blocked.

But pants should have been able to block Ultron.

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452
Lord
03-23-2015
07:02 PM ET (US)

In happier news Staydead targeted someone. We may have our Cop.

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453
traube
03-23-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)

Let's hope he keeps quiet.

Not sure what to do with Karka. I doubt we will be able to get him lynched today.

Trying to get Staydead lynched, assuming he is cop, would also be a bad move.

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454
Lord
03-24-2015
01:02 PM ET (US)

I'm about to join you pants. Here we go. ): Doctor of Medicine.

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455
traube
03-24-2015
02:38 PM ET (US)

Shit got real.

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456
traube
03-24-2015
03:06 PM ET (US)

Crab : Not sure if this was already answered. But Ultron's power is able to see the person who sends out the kill, right?

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Lord
03-24-2015
03:54 PM ET (US)

Good 'luck Traube. I think you'll be alone soon. Peace out.

Kill Stay Dead tonight.

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Lord
03-24-2015
04:00 PM ET (US)

Sorry Hornets. I should have waited. Double checked my list. I got us both killed.

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Crab
03-24-2015
04:11 PM ET (US)

I can't tell you what ultron's powers are, same way I can't tell him what yours are.

Unfortunate play, Lord. You panicked and went in too quickly. At this rate you'll have to hope traube and RobotNinjaHornets can play it cool.Edited 03-24-2015 04:11 PM

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traube
03-24-2015
04:16 PM ET (US)

Oh fuck.

Crab : Sorry. I should have phrased it more clearly. I am just wondering if the kill message does count as an action? So would a "watcher" be able to detect the person who makes the kill? Or are you unable to answer that?

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traube
03-24-2015
04:34 PM ET (US)

So what will we do tonight. I'd say hornets you block karka, depending on who he claims he will target, and we take out staydead. Hoping he really is a cop.

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462
Lord
03-24-2015
04:37 PM ET (US)

God speed and good luck.

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463
traube
03-24-2015
04:39 PM ET (US)

See ya (soon). Doubt we will survive much longer.

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Crab
03-24-2015
04:48 PM ET (US)

I can't answer that. I can't explain to you how other people's roles work.

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traube
03-24-2015
04:52 PM ET (US)

Thanks. fair enough.

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Crab
03-24-2015
04:54 PM ET (US)

You were doing fine at 3-10-1, those numbers favour a mafia victory. 2-10-1 is harder, but unfortunately that's what happens when you panic unnecessarily. Look at it this way: with Karkador, you, and the lynch, three people die every day-night pair, especially now the doctor is gone and a role-blocker is dead. Survive three day-night pairs, and you win. If you and RobotNinjaHornets just play it relaxed, cool, and collected, I'm sure you'll do fine.Edited 03-24-2015 05:04 PM

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traube
03-24-2015
05:06 PM ET (US)

My plan:

Block Karka
Kill Staydead

I think that Karka will target me tonight. Ultron and I did put pressure on him again today. Doubt he will take out Ultron. So I am a likely target.

But would be more fun to unleash Karka and hope he picks a tourist.

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Hornets
03-24-2015
05:23 PM ET (US)

Hey guys what's going OH SHIT

Were there any obvious tells as to who Kark would go for after pants? As long as it wasn't either of us we should be good, we don't want to block any potential help we can get.

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traube
03-24-2015
05:33 PM ET (US)

Like I said. I think he will kill me tonight. But anyone who voted against him yesterday is a likely target. So both of us are at risk.Edited 03-24-2015 05:37 PM

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traube
03-25-2015
08:02 AM ET (US)

And I wanted to apologize. We really should have used the other plan. Lord would most certainly still be alive with Ultron out of the picture.

Pants may also have survived the night if we would have been able to block QuantumBro successfully. :/

I let you decide what to do, hornets.

The safer option would be to block Karka, I think. Because chances are high he targets one of us tonight.

Killing Staydead, assuming he is cop, would be my other action.

But if you want to try something else, just do it.

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Hornets
03-26-2015
06:11 AM ET (US)

Hey, I went for the Quantum plan too, don't worry about it.

The main thing I'm personally worried about at this point is the fact that everyone knows that Lord has the same role as the one that I claimed. It's going to be difficult to convince them that there's a town version of the same role, especially as I'm going to have to start saying I'm being blocked at some point. I'll say that Lord was the person I checked out the previous night phase, but I wasn't going to reveal his name since he targeted someone then as well, following Zipped's plan. Not sure who I'm going to say for the other guy.

I'm not sure we should jump the gun on Staydead just yet, has he brought up any information that could point to him being a cop or anything?

Karkador's an interesting one. The chances of him hitting a town guy are way higher than him hitting one of us, and could be very useful to thin out the crowd. If we stop him from killing anyone, it's going to make the game go a decent bit slower, which gives the town guys more chances to figure us out. On the other hand, if he does get one of us then we're ballsed.

Hm.

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traube
03-26-2015
09:36 AM ET (US)

Chances are indeed higher for Karka to pick a townie. But I think he will pick one of the players who voted against him.

"Karkador: 6 / 10 [Karkador, traube, MattyG, Lord of Castamere, pants, ultron87]"

With pants and Lord gone, there are not many left. I doubt he will pick ultron.

Staydead has some kind of role. If there is a cop in this game, chances are high it is him.

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Hornets
03-26-2015
12:13 PM ET (US)

Hm, good point. Seems likely it'd be either you or MattyG he'd target based on that. Alternatively, he'd go for me since I now look a lot more like a liar.

Ok, I'm happy with your plan, though I'm not anticipating I'm going to be around much longer.

*tries to think of some flavour text I can use to back up my position*

Perhaps security guard?

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traube
03-26-2015
12:40 PM ET (US)

Maybe a spoiled brat who sticks his nose in things where it does not belong. Maybe it will not come up.

Do you send the kill message or should I do it?

And I just realised that it will become quite boring here after one of us gets killed. :DEdited 03-26-2015 12:41 PM

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traube
03-26-2015
03:26 PM ET (US)

I did send the message to take out Staydead to crab.

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Hornets
03-26-2015
08:52 PM ET (US)

Shit, I meant to post something at work, apparently I completely forgot to click submit, sorry.

I was going to say that I'll post the kill message since I'm gonna be fucked soon anyway, so we might as well shield you from as much stuff as possible

Crab, is it possible for me to take traube's kill message instead?

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Crab
03-27-2015
04:30 PM ET (US)

It is possible, yes. Can I also have your block message, please?

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Hornets
03-28-2015
11:17 AM ET (US)

Sent, sorry dood

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Hornets
03-30-2015
12:10 AM ET (US)

...fuuuuuck. Palmer's gonna be cop and checked out StayDead some point before being revealed as roled so he knew Sleepwalker was a role in the game.

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traube
03-30-2015
08:13 AM ET (US)

Played us like a damn fiddle...

And I did suspect him of lying about his role. Damn should have been more active about it.Edited 03-30-2015 08:13 AM

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traube
03-30-2015
11:29 AM ET (US)

Okay. I have no idea what is going on anymore.

If palmer really is a cop I don't see any reason why he would still keep it a secret.

Unless he tries to lure us out by naming 3 town names trying to get us to vote against them.

I'd suggest we do not vote yet.

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Hornets
03-30-2015
11:30 AM ET (US)

Man, this game is completely mental

What the fuck is even happening

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483
traube
03-30-2015
11:54 AM ET (US)

I will try to play it cool for the moment and will ignore palmer.

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traube
03-30-2015
03:20 PM ET (US)

Come on. WTH is going on with MattyG now? No special skills, but he can prove he is town?

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traube
03-31-2015
01:51 AM ET (US)

Shit. I am afraid I will be a lynch target soon. Time to go on the offensive.

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486
Hornets
03-31-2015
06:18 AM ET (US)

Don't go in too hard, play it cool. They don't have anything on you yet, only suspicions

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traube
03-31-2015
07:26 AM ET (US)

Yeah. Just wanted to start a new vote, before anyone starts to vote against me.

It's not too suspicious for me to vote against Karkador again.

Although I doubt we will be able to lynch him. :/

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traube
03-31-2015
09:15 AM ET (US)

About our night action. (assuming you will not get lynched)

Ideally we lynch Karkador. That would make things easier. I'd say we block Ultron an kill Palmer in that case.

But Karkador will most likely not be lynched. I am quite sure that Ultron will target Palmer tonight. So unless we block Ultron, we can not go after Palmer.

So we have to decide again if we want to unleash Karkador.

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traube
03-31-2015
11:38 AM ET (US)

Shit. They are focusing on you again.

Time to think of a plan.

Who did you watch?

You could claim to have been blocked one of the nights.

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Crab
03-31-2015
07:11 PM ET (US)

You really need to be more active, Hornets. At this rate it won't matter, but I'm not going to pretend I'm okay with how low your participation has been given it affects your partner too.

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traube
04-01-2015
12:30 PM ET (US)

Guess it is over. They will probably lynch you today and Karkador will take care of me tonight.

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Hornets
04-01-2015
02:19 PM ET (US)

Traube, just a thought, but what if I said I targeted you last night phase and you did target someone? I could also "slip up" the same way Lord did and say one of the redacted names was someone Ultron was checking. That way, when one of us dies (which is pretty much inevitable at this point, I really should've posted last night but was way too tired to think, sorry I've fucked this up), it'll at least make the other one look like a town person:

Scenario 1: You get lynched - why would I give up another mafia member if I'm mafia?
Scenario 2: I get lynched - makes you look like an attempt by me to throw someone else under the bus

Then kill Ultron next night so whoever's left is free to kill without being watched

Feel free to say no and I'll come up with another plan

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traube
04-01-2015
02:44 PM ET (US)

I don't think that is a good idea. Why would you target me again?

There are two days missing, right?

I'd go with Staydead/or say you were blocked and pick one other player who you did not yet bring up.

You should probably also reveal the two missing names.

But overall I think it does not really matter. I don't think we can turn this around anymore. :/

Let's talk about the night when the day is over. Hoping we both make it out alive.

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traube
04-01-2015
02:47 PM ET (US)

I just realised that you held back rembrands name as one of the active roles.

You have to change that. Maybe pick one of the other living players and claim he targeted someone. Even if he did not or we do not know for sure.

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traube
04-01-2015
03:08 PM ET (US)

And if you said you targeted me again they probably will figure out that it is just a way to make it look like we do not work together.

I really have no idea what you should do. Sry.

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Hornets
04-01-2015
03:34 PM ET (US)

Yeah, was gonna throw Lord in one of the slots instead.

And those are all good points. Though I could always say that I was thinking about Zipped's plan and could try it in reverse - i.e. check people who hadn't targeted anyone in case they do target on another night. The 2 redacted names could then be Lord and StayDead and say that I was going to bring up the result on the last day but the Lord implosion happened before I'd even really had a chance to read the thread.

Shit, I dunno. I need more time to think. Fuck.

The problem with revealing a standard town name is as soon as they get killed, they're going to turn on me immediately, then kill you. It'd just be prolonging the inevitable. At least this way gives us a chance to look at odds with each other, and you could immediately go in with "I'm an unroled town". No-one knows about you.

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traube
04-01-2015
03:48 PM ET (US)

Yeah. Don't see a good way out of this mess.

Do whatever you like. Put my name in or don't. I am okay with whatever you do.

As a fellow European gaffer I'll be off soon. So will not be more help for you. Sorry.

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Hornets
04-01-2015
03:56 PM ET (US)

Right. Ok. Lord night 4. Ultron checked out Lord on night 4. Same mistake as him.

Night 7 I checked StayDead, night 8 I checked you. Boom.

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traube
04-01-2015
04:00 PM ET (US)

May you rest in peace.

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Hornets
04-01-2015
04:00 PM ET (US)

If you're still around, get in there fairly quickly afterwards with a "Uh, hang on dood"