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Post by nin1000 on Feb 14, 2016 12:28:50 GMT -8
Sleep over the decision Sophia. If you think the same tomorrow then ok. But like others have said. You are not alone and Ty4on is with you on this boat  You have the potential to be one of the best sophia , please stick with it for the moment, i know you can do it ! |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 12:32:26 GMT -8
Thanks, everyone. I'm gonna post my post real fast and then maybe step back and take a nap.
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Post by Sorian on Feb 14, 2016 12:39:57 GMT -8
Thanks, everyone. I'm gonna post my post real fast and then maybe step back and take a nap. I'm a little late to chiming in but remember that at the end of the day, there are [vague number] of player's in there who also have no idea of what is going on. No one thinks any badly over an opinion whether it is right or wrong because most know nothing about what is going on right now anyway. Things might turn for or against you in favor but if it's getting frustrating or scary, all you have to do is step away for a bit. There is no harm from tuning it out for a bit and re-focusing later. You're doing fine, trust me. |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 12:40:17 GMT -8
Okay, Flux's reply is interesting. I figured someone would reply with something to the likes of that, but I did not expect it would be him.
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Post by nin1000 on Feb 14, 2016 12:43:15 GMT -8
Take your time and step back, no need to be a high poster since most of the low posters get away with it. relax make yourself a tea. and watch the game unfold before your eyes O.O
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 12:44:58 GMT -8
Thanks, everyone. I'm gonna post my post real fast and then maybe step back and take a nap. I'm a little late to chiming in but remember that at the end of the day, there are [vague number] of player's in there who also have no idea of what is going on. No one thinks any badly over an opinion whether it is right or wrong because most know nothing about what is going on right now anyway. Things might turn for or against you in favor but if it's getting frustrating or scary, all you have to do is step away for a bit. There is no harm from tuning it out for a bit and re-focusing later. You're doing fine, trust me. Yeah, I mean. In my head, the fear is irrational. I know this. But saying it over and over in my head doesn't make the pins and needles feeling born out of fear in my stomach go away. On the flipside, I seemed to have started a train of thought that others were thinking but weren't voicing either. So that's legitimately helping my confidence. |
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Post by nin1000 on Feb 14, 2016 12:51:24 GMT -8
I'm a little late to chiming in but remember that at the end of the day, there are [vague number] of player's in there who also have no idea of what is going on. No one thinks any badly over an opinion whether it is right or wrong because most know nothing about what is going on right now anyway. Things might turn for or against you in favor but if it's getting frustrating or scary, all you have to do is step away for a bit. There is no harm from tuning it out for a bit and re-focusing later. You're doing fine, trust me. Yeah, I mean. In my head, the fear is irrational. I know this. But saying it over and over in my head doesn't make the pins and needles feeling born out of fear in my stomach go away. On the flipside, I seemed to have started a train of thought that others were thinking but weren't voicing either. So that's legitimately helping my confidence. You are Gorgeous ! I hope that helps too |
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Post by Ourobolus on Feb 14, 2016 12:51:57 GMT -8
Yeah, it's all about posting theories and realizing that everyone, especially on Day 1, has no idea what is going on except for scum (and even then, the only information they have is who is on their team). As the days go on, Town gets progressively more information, though it's still rarely going to be "definite," unless a PR catches scum in the act at night. So just realize that everyone else is just as blind as you will be.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 13:10:41 GMT -8
Off-topic, but Blarg might be the only person to actually get a note of his first appearance in my spreadsheet. >_>;
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 13:12:40 GMT -8
Also I can't help that feel Flame_AC's answer is a backpedaling one of sorts. Regardless of his role, I think I hit a mark there. =P
No response from Coppanuva yet, hmm... now that's two people I'm waiting on for reactions.
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 13:21:19 GMT -8
Okay, Flux's reply is interesting. I figured someone would reply with something to the likes of that, but I did not expect it would be him. I am leaning some sort of town gambit for him. Veteran maybe, but that seems too obvious. I generally agree with you on Flame though I don't have a strong read on him. His Miller vote felt to confident. ------ Notes from the plane. They're very vague and meandering, but why hide them. Flame_AC 261 "Just to get it out of the way, we're all in favor of a Day 1 Lynch right? Or do we need to have that discussion again?" I'm not sure what to think about this, but it just caught my attention. Maybe because nobody responded to it. Cabot 276 Too long to quote Lists a bunch of possibilities for Flux' claim. Stuff like this often triggers my scum detectors because it's a great way of making it seem like you're productive without really doing much. His thoughts also strike me as shallow. Lots of justification for Flux being scum and nothing for him being town. Strangely confident (very direct, not much doubting), but that might just be because it's Cabot. Not a strong scum read, but I certainly don't town read this post. Splinter 297 "Subtle as a brick" Pretty sure he believes time and Flux are veterans fishing for the kill tonight. I can totally see why, but it seems like a weird gambit. I've over thought stuff like that a bajillion times in the past though. |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 13:28:16 GMT -8
Splinter's unvote and revote was likely because he misread it and saw "cop" instead of "role cop" from Flux. I made the same mistake. Likewise, I don't think too much to Flame_AC's question about Day 1 lynches after that Werewolf game. I noted both of these in my log tho if either point turns out to be relevant again.
Cabot... hmm... well he's obviously not drunk enough yet. I'm gonna keep an eye on him, you got me curious there.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 13:31:16 GMT -8
Flame_AC just mentioned the "Day 1 Lynch" discussion again.... interesting.
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Post by Retro on Feb 14, 2016 13:47:26 GMT -8
I'm super late to the party, but we're all rooting for you, Sophia! We believe in you!
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 13:55:39 GMT -8
Flame_AC just mentioned the "Day 1 Lynch" discussion again.... interesting. I'll need to go over his Mafia history, but it also read like someone who hadn't played in a while and thought we still discussed it at length. The repetition (I've yet to read the post you're taking about while writing this) though could be some jitters and defaulting to safe taking points. |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 13:58:12 GMT -8
Flame_AC just mentioned the "Day 1 Lynch" discussion again.... interesting. I'll need to go over his Mafia history, but it also read like someone who hadn't played in a while and thought we still discussed it at length. The repetition (I've yet to read the post you're taking about while writing this) though could be some jitters and defaulting to safe taking points. Yeah I haven't ruled out the possibility of jitters. Regardless if you're a townie or scum (or neutral), getting called out by multiple people makes you more cautious. |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 16:11:15 GMT -8
Took a small nap before dinner, so I'm feeling a little better. No more confident about posting tho, so I think I'll wait until you're back and ready proper.
... I hate to admit it, but I'm actually leaning towards the possibility that this is a legitimate town gambit on Flux's part. I'm not 100% sold on it, but Time's posts combined with Flux jumping back and fourth about how much Flux said does make me think Flux just went ahead of his own accord. Of course, this could also just be my own history with Flux blindsiding me horribly.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 16:37:00 GMT -8
The real problem is however, outside of someone outright lying about their role, there's no way to confirm anything. If Flux/Time are indeed a role cop, and Blarg/Kawl a tracker, then we have no falsifiability or refutability. Flux/Time will return the correct results on Blarg/Kawl, and Blarg/Kawl will return the correct results on them. If they're all scum, they could easily all lie about it. And the more I think about it, if Flux and Time are scum, they could use ANY power role on Blarg/Kawl and give Blarg/Kawl a confirmation. As long as they target each other in the night...
If Flux/Time are town, they've put us all into a really nasty situation that can only be solved by them dying (not good for the town), or by another power role stepping up. Not good at all.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 16:42:07 GMT -8
And if Flux really did do this of his own accord, then I feel sorry for Time. Because Jesus H. Christ, that's a shitty thing to do to your partner.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 16:55:48 GMT -8
Argh... once again in my head it says "Confirm Splinter", but the feeling in my gut is saying otherwise.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 17:11:29 GMT -8
Sorry Blub, I think I will bow out after I make this post to Splinter. It's clear now after three attempted games that's really bothering me, and I don't want to continue forward constantly nervous + having to rely on the reassurance of other people just to make a simple post.
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 17:29:29 GMT -8
The real problem is however, outside of someone outright lying about their role, there's no way to confirm anything. If Flux/Time are indeed a role cop, and Blarg/Kawl a tracker, then we have no falsifiability or refutability. Flux/Time will return the correct results on Blarg/Kawl, and Blarg/Kawl will return the correct results on them. If they're all scum, they could easily all lie about it. And the more I think about it, if Flux and Time are scum, they could use ANY power role on Blarg/Kawl and give Blarg/Kawl a confirmation. As long as they target each other in the night... If Flux/Time are town, they've put us all into a really nasty situation that can only be solved by them dying (not good for the town), or by another power role stepping up. Not good at all. I think you missed that Blawl have a secret role name that they want Fluxaisis to confirm. If you trust Blawl being town, and Fluxaisis are able to figure out their role name then we can be pretty sure they're a role cop, or scum with a role cop on their team. The reason that I want Time to post more is that I think it'd be really helpful to read Flux'alignment through someone else. I think town is getting too hung up on Flux for the time being. |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 17:34:08 GMT -8
The real problem is however, outside of someone outright lying about their role, there's no way to confirm anything. If Flux/Time are indeed a role cop, and Blarg/Kawl a tracker, then we have no falsifiability or refutability. Flux/Time will return the correct results on Blarg/Kawl, and Blarg/Kawl will return the correct results on them. If they're all scum, they could easily all lie about it. And the more I think about it, if Flux and Time are scum, they could use ANY power role on Blarg/Kawl and give Blarg/Kawl a confirmation. As long as they target each other in the night... If Flux/Time are town, they've put us all into a really nasty situation that can only be solved by them dying (not good for the town), or by another power role stepping up. Not good at all. I think you missed that Blawl have a secret role name that they want Fluxaisis to confirm. If you trust Blawl being town, and Fluxaisis are able to figure out their role name then we can be pretty sure they're a role cop, or scum with a role cop on their team. The reason that I want Time to post more is that I think it'd be really helpful to read Flux'alignment through someone else. I think town is getting too hung up on Flux for the time being. Oh, you're right. I totally forgot about that. It would rule out any town/scum or scum/town combinations, leaving both pairs as town or scum. That being said, if either pair flipped scum it'd be policy lynch almost on the other pair. |
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 17:40:03 GMT -8
Maybe my sleepy mind, but I think town/scum is still possible. Like Blawl scum can confirm the role name (and excuse its scummyness by the miller claim) and Fluxaisis scum can be an actual role cop or have a role cop team member. Sorry Blub, I think I will bow out after I make this post to Splinter. It's clear now after three attempted games that's really bothering me, and I don't want to continue forward constantly nervous + having to rely on the reassurance of other people just to make a simple post. Sorry if I'm being dense, but what do you mean by the last part? |
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 17:42:52 GMT -8
Maybe my sleepy mind, but I think town/scum is still possible. Like Blawl scum can confirm the role name (and excuse its scummyness by the miller claim) and Fluxaisis scum can be an actual role cop or have a role cop team member. Sorry Blub, I think I will bow out after I make this post to Splinter. It's clear now after three attempted games that's really bothering me, and I don't want to continue forward constantly nervous + having to rely on the reassurance of other people just to make a simple post. Sorry if I'm being dense, but what do you mean by the last part? Yeah, it's not too terribly refutable even still. Stronger, but we'd still be gambling. I've been sitting here for almost 40 minutes with a reply to Splinter up, and I can't see to post it. It's just grating on me that I can't seem to post anything without reassurance from someone else. I don't think that's a healthy way to play, so I'd rather bow out for someone else. |
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 17:53:14 GMT -8
Maybe my sleepy mind, but I think town/scum is still possible. Like Blawl scum can confirm the role name (and excuse its scummyness by the miller claim) and Fluxaisis scum can be an actual role cop or have a role cop team member. Sorry if I'm being dense, but what do you mean by the last part? Yeah, it's not too terribly refutable even still. Stronger, but we'd still be gambling. I've been sitting here for almost 40 minutes with a reply to Splinter up, and I can't see to post it. It's just grating on me that I can't seem to post anything without reassurance from someone else. I don't think that's a healthy way to play, so I'd rather bow out for someone else. Ah, you don't wanna be the first to concur with Splinter. Is it a fear of being wrong and looking stupid or of having an unpopular opinion? |
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 18:06:02 GMT -8
So much I want to read into in Splinter's posts, but I'm too tired -_-
Kinda starting to lean town on him though.
If it helps don't hesitate asking me if there's anything I can do.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 18:19:02 GMT -8
This was what I was going to reply to Splinter. Anything you see objectionable?
I'll try and play to the end of the in-game day, at least. I'm not feeling confident about it tho.
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Post by Ty4on on Feb 14, 2016 18:37:04 GMT -8
No, not really seeing something I disagree with. I was thinking on replying to Splinter that I personally didn't think voting for two different people as a pair was weird. I was thinking earlier that it might be the opposite and later in the game we might see patterns of scum pairs voting for the same more often than town, but it never left my head.
When you put Flame and Coppa's posts in the same post there was some uncanny resemblance, but my read of them is still really shallow.
If I were to change anything it'd be the last "so I could be wrong about this". You've already said you're not confident and unfamiliar with their personalities so it feels a bit redundant.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 14, 2016 18:38:21 GMT -8
Okay. I'll change it real fast then post it. I think I'll ask Launch too for his thoughts.
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