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Post by palmer on Oct 26, 2015 11:45:27 GMT -8
Though it doesn't matter if we kill him tonight. I actually think we maybe get pop to watch splinter, kill someone else, doll whoever? Dunno.
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Post by palmer on Oct 26, 2015 11:46:37 GMT -8
No, we need to kill pop so i can bomb safely later.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 26, 2015 12:42:05 GMT -8
Sorian knows you targeted Pop and others will note too. This little intimacy between you was too heartwarming  If we detonate tonight, you're suspect #1 even with pop gone. |
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 26, 2015 13:05:35 GMT -8
Hmm Sorian must be a watcher or roleblocker.
If Sorian knows about Palmer visiting Splinter then that changes things. Pop thinks Sorian is scum though. We could use that as leverage if he lives, or just off him anyway.
Is Sorian saying he'll visit Splinter again? If he's a watcher he may be trying to see if Palmer re-visits. I think regardless, if he survives tonight he'll likely come clean on D3 with his info and vote for Palmer or Splinter. He'll be on the chopping block otherwise.
I think we should kill Sorian instead.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 26, 2015 13:08:20 GMT -8
Ah, the tie would have been great! But you get town points for not creating it.
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Post by palmer on Oct 26, 2015 13:18:09 GMT -8
Im so goddamned confused. Did pop really track sorian? And ive been worried all day for nothing? Worst case is sorian knows. We need to check his posts for anything pointing at me retroactively. Does it mean he was watcher? Who else would have visited splintdr?
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 26, 2015 13:34:47 GMT -8
Without much thinking I'd say:
Kill Sorian
Doll Pop
Switch shenanigans anyone.
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Probably not the best option. Sorian believes either Splinter or me to be scum (using him as a scapegoat). Don't know if Sorian caught on you, Palmer. What about a vig/Sk? Matt was low risk target, will there be another one?
Also I'm so disappointed Sorian is not Mei Ling who secretly listens to our chat :(
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 26, 2015 13:34:44 GMT -8
Actually, thinking about it I'm pretty sure we need to kill Sorian.
Remember Splinter's doll post? No way Sorian misses that, even if most other people did (hidden as a throwaway comment about MGS lore). If Sorian saw Palmer visiting Splinter, and Splinter makes a random post about dolls, then Sorian is probably putting two and two together. Either it's a book of powers like Cthulhu or it's a poison/arsonist item.
If Splinter dies tonight Sorian is coming out and voting for Palmer.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 26, 2015 13:39:19 GMT -8
Sorian also remarked we already had a game with both tracker and watcher. But is Roleblock any more likely? To roleblock the nk immune claim?
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 26, 2015 13:41:38 GMT -8
Hmm:
Town
1 cop
1 doctor
1 tracker
1 watcher
1 veteran
1 RB
6 ordinary
Scum
1 bulletproof
1 arsonist
1 switcher
Neutral
1 SK?
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Post by palmer on Oct 26, 2015 19:52:09 GMT -8
I dont understand what sorian did that made pop flip on him so suddenly. Should we switch kill Sorian to be safe? Who is least likely to be protected or watched? I think a doll to someone not claiming ordinary is ideal, but not sure who. Am i claiming theyre protection of some kind or some other lie? I still think journalist/pathologist mechanics are possible, or maybe a tinkerer of some type.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 26, 2015 21:50:05 GMT -8
Switch Splinter and Sorian, kill Splinter? If something goes wrong and Sorian lives, at least he watched himself or something.
Why not detonate?
I'm not familiar with those roles. Claim pseudo-roleblocker? The reason you kept quiet was because you wanted scum to dispose of the dolls to be roleblocked, and you thought Splinter was scum?
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 3:04:19 GMT -8
Rewrote the posts:
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I think Sorian is probably the watcher. Other power roles make little sense/have to many assumptions attached to work. He probably saw Palmer and will talk about him. He will get the heat tomorrow and spit out his information. Very possible he manages to stay alive. I'm in favor of killing him.
To be safe we can switch kill him. I doubt a doc would protect him, but who knows. It's unlikely I'll get protected as of now, but I don't want to get vig killed (which I also deem unlikely). Leaving the question for further switch targets. None of us. Cabot got town reads, maybe gets protection. Pop is PR likewise, GC untouchable. Splinter?
Hyper, Kalor, Coppa look like decent vig targets (like all of us as well). I'd bet my money on Fire ending up dead if it's a SK.
Detonating will leave me as the only living force against Sorian. If both end up dead, I'll be scrutinised. One of you could heavily bus me, but I hope it's not yet necessary. We have to decide on this at the beginning of Day 3.
Palmer if you can think of a reason why you'd visit splinter n1 and help(?) him, we can discuss talking freely about the dolls. Otherwise I'd not mention it.
In case we do not detonate - Where to give the doll? Pop could be a target, we have to get rid of him anyway. If you want to straight kill him N3, let's go for Cabot then.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 3:05:14 GMT -8
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 5:28:43 GMT -8
Switch sorian and fire.
Doll coppa.
Target fire to kill sorian.
If pop happens to track fire to check his ordinary claim, hell see sorians activity which throws suspicion back on fire. That should also cause two wrongful lynch/kills in a row based on his info, which might be enough to also get him lynched.
Doll coppa because hes middle of the road and i can argue the doll either way. Im fairly certain splinter is going to dispose of his since he thinks it came from sorian who hes been after all day.
Maybe doll cabot?
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 5:35:52 GMT -8
Safer would be to switch kalor and sorian probably. Do we want safer? Were ahead and dont need to take any big risks. Ill go ahead and doll pop in case the other stuff doesnt work out.
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 5:39:44 GMT -8
Gorlak, we need your switch asap so lp knows who to target. I sent in doll command for pop
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 5:43:33 GMT -8
I edited my post above before I saw yours. Don't you think Pop will follow Sorian again? I'm in favor of giving out another doll instead of detonating, splinter disposing would be another argument.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 5:45:46 GMT -8
I'd argue Splinter switch is favorable. Do we create an infinite loop if Sorian watches Sorian watching Sorian? to remind you, this exist: overviewFlip a coin... Splinter or Kalor, guys? |
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 6:04:16 GMT -8
Yeah, I have looked in the switch with Sorian and Splinter. If you want me to change it, I'll be online 2 hours before the night ends :)
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 7:33:44 GMT -8
If he is watched again and we fail to kill sorian, theyll have your name as well.
Who pop follows doesnt matter as long as its not one of us. I dont see any reason to swap splinter tonight.
I assume a doc would protect sorian or pop tonight.
If either of you change your submitted orders, say something in here so we dont mess this up.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 27, 2015 9:37:31 GMT -8
Yeah Splinter may not be the best switch target. Pick someone else and Sorian.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 9:50:53 GMT -8
It's Sorian and Kalor switch now.
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 10:24:01 GMT -8
Im good with that. Let us know when you submit kill order lp!
Sorry if im being bossy guys! Im just anxious about how this whole night is going to go down. I think were on track to win fairly easily if tonight goes well.
I may start voting against you guys a bit to prepare for an eventual bus on D4.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 10:53:36 GMT -8
Everything is fine Palmer :)
Don't bus L_P, he's still nk immune. I'd use the Liquid Snake fake claim in case things turn sour on me. A miller + the ability to switch? We've had too many Ordinary claims now.
N1: Cabot, me -> if Cabot would get voted, I would come out.
N2: not sure yet, maybe unused, as I'm in no danger and didn't want to mess up.
Keep in mind one of us could easily be dead in a few hours, but we do look good even if we're hit. This reminds me, in case I die you'll have to deal with Sorian.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 27, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -8
Get your own role claim.  Leave it as just miller. Switcher makes you too strong. In my list above we already have 5 PR's (vet, cop, watcher, tracker, likely doc). I could claim bulletproof I guess. Any MGS characters known for that? Submitted kill order for Kalor. My other fake claim provided by Ouro was Fatman: if night-killed, Philantrophy can't kill the next night. |
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 11:24:27 GMT -8
My only real worry is pop randomly tracking one of us, or finding out we have a hidden 4th member by killing them. I think i blow the bombs tomorrow night to kill pop and maybe gorlak. If they both dispose of it, we at least role blocked pop for a night.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 11:31:32 GMT -8
Yeah, we all got the same fake claims though. But maybe we should really use them this time.
Fortune in MGS 2 can't be hit by bullets! Ultimate NK immune claim. Thing is Splinter may speak against it.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 27, 2015 11:32:56 GMT -8
Palmer what are you on about? Double Agent confirmed? :/
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Post by palmer on Oct 27, 2015 11:47:20 GMT -8
Not that i know of. One of you mentioned it earlier that 4 scum isnt an impossible number, so we theoretically could have a hidden teammate. I doubt it though since were all power roles.
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If we detonate tonight, you're suspect #1 even with pop gone. 
Leave it as just miller. Switcher makes you too strong. In my list above we already have 5 PR's (vet, cop, watcher, tracker, likely doc).