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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 15, 2016 7:22:19 GMT -8
That's fair we have time.
Also, with Cabot being on me, do you want me to step up my posting a bit?
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 8:46:24 GMT -8
Yeah maybe just to even our posting out a bit.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 10:35:22 GMT -8
I'm asking Kawl (who is decidedly not Blarg) what they're planning with Flux's confirmation...and it needs to be asked D1.
The problem is that if they're all secretly working together, Flux will come back on D2 with a very vague rolename that leaves us confused on whether Kawl/Blarg are scum or not.
I mean, if they are in fact Trackers, I can't fathom why there would be two trackers on the same team. Catch my drift?
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 11:13:30 GMT -8
Please proceed, Blargonaut..
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 15, 2016 11:57:48 GMT -8
I'm asking Kawl (who is decidedly not Blarg) what they're planning with Flux's confirmation...and it needs to be asked D1. The problem is that if they're all secretly working together, Flux will come back on D2 with a very vague rolename that leaves us confused on whether Kawl/Blarg are scum or not. I mean, if they are in fact Trackers, I can't fathom why there would be two trackers on the same team. Catch my drift? I completely agree. If they were two of the scum teams, would they actually go down this path today? Who else would be involved? I mean if both of them are scum, then they are trying to suss out players with roles (scum tracker would do that), AND try to give each other "confirmation" that they are "town". Its a risky play. Miller is only a role that matters if we have an alignment cop, and we have a role cop. It just doesn't make any sense... This is a fairly normal game, at least that was how it was advertised. OK game time: Splinter and Cabot are playing like they how they normally play town. Especially with two day 1 role claims, I find this a pretty safe assumption. Karu is interesting - him and rest were called out practically out the gate from Flux. In addition to this, he is one of 2 people who have posted "reads". We have already discussed Blarg and kawl, as well as Flux and Time. (though Time's taking a step back I find really interesting, almost as if he isn't worried about dying) I Think Tl21xx's team, Kyanrute's, team, Sophia's team, and Magnumboy20xx's team are kind of skating right now. Could be scum, could just be a bunch of ordinaries...
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Post by Ourobolus on Feb 15, 2016 12:26:18 GMT -8
Can I have some of whatever drug Kark, a prior moderator, is smoking in here? :P
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 12:34:56 GMT -8
I thought I was doing pretty well until I forgot the rules of mafia
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Post by Ourobolus on Feb 15, 2016 12:38:16 GMT -8
Lol. I wasn't going to say anything in the thread, but you didn't do that in AC. We didn't get Fran's results until day start.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 12:40:43 GMT -8
Hmmmm, really? Yeah that would have thrown me under the bus quite violently.
In any case, Burb contradicted me, so that's probably a good thing.
Still, I got a little ahead of myself there...
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 15, 2016 13:10:47 GMT -8
I was about to say something as well (but then It would have to be prefaced with a "I have never been scum BUT..." which I did not want to do.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 13:11:26 GMT -8
Well, the way I'm currently seeing it, Flux is probably Town, and Kawl/Blarg are probably scum or neutral. If nothing else comes up, I'll probably drop my vote on them. I don't want to counterclaim with our Tracker just yet, but we're in agreement that the chances of them being Tracker and Town are very slim, right?
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 15, 2016 13:26:37 GMT -8
Well, the way I'm currently seeing it, Flux is probably Town, and Kawl/Blarg are probably scum or neutral. If nothing else comes up, I'll probably drop my vote on them. I don't want to counterclaim with our Tracker just yet, but we're in agreement that the chances of them being Tracker and Town are very slim, right? Right, in fact I think its complete horseshit of a role claim ( I believe that they are likely a scum tracker). And I agree, we do not counterclaim, especially not on the first day. I'm going to leave my flux conversation alone (if they really are a cop it should work itself out tonight). Honestly, I think we leave them alone for the rest of the day and track them tonight. if we track someone who moves, we might get lucky. I find it unlikely that they would have a tracker and a watcher on the scum team.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 15:31:43 GMT -8
Should we just turn in the vote on them already?
On one hand, I agree that they could be an interesting target for us on N1, but they might also do nothing.
On the other, there's not really much else to go on, and whether our vote ends up winning or not, the outcome isn't too bad for us. Leading the charge on a scum tracker would lend us credence when we make our tracker claim.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 16:48:57 GMT -8
Also, I want to just get some paranoia out of the way - don't laugh at me, mods and spectators:
If you're in the game and happen to be watching our conversation somehow (not counting you, Zipped), can you type "tap tap" in the game thread?
Thanks.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 15, 2016 20:37:58 GMT -8
Should we just turn in the vote on them already? On one hand, I agree that they could be an interesting target for us on N1, but they might also do nothing. On the other, there's not really much else to go on, and whether our vote ends up winning or not, the outcome isn't too bad for us. Leading the charge on a scum tracker would lend us credence when we make our tracker claim. I think we can lead the charge. Want me to chime in now with my vote for kawl and blarg? Are we in agreement on tracking tonight (figuring out exactly who after today's lunch)? I'm always for using a limited ability early rather than late (just in case). The tap tap thing is interesting, especially if some people actually do it.
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Post by karkador on Feb 15, 2016 20:48:34 GMT -8
Let's do it
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 16, 2016 9:47:17 GMT -8
hopefully its not me that is the reason you aren't happy with the game.
I hate the fact that everyone is just going to sit for the next few days and only vote at the end...
I am going to propose a 24 hour day 1 for season 6 (with normal times for future days). It just seems like so many people do not pay attention until the very end.
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Post by Sorian on Feb 16, 2016 10:08:31 GMT -8
hopefully its not me that is the reason you aren't happy with the game. I hate the fact that everyone is just going to sit for the next few days and only vote at the end... I am going to propose a 24 hour day 1 for season 6 (with normal times for future days). It just seems like so many people do not pay attention until the very end. I think we made him sad by talking about the NX mafia game:P
Don't think he was being serious.
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Post by karkador on Feb 16, 2016 10:35:20 GMT -8
Zipped! You're truly my better half. I was just going with the jokes about NX. I'm actually pretty pleased with the game so far, although I agree that this first day is taking forever.
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Burbeting
Vice Admin
Bear of Love
The obligatory (gay) bear of the society!
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 16, 2016 10:59:12 GMT -8
The NX PTSD sure is real.
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Post by karkador on Feb 17, 2016 7:16:24 GMT -8
Alright, further thoughts I've pondered in the past day:
1) Thinking about the purpose of a Tracker, I'm having a bit of a hard time finding how it would be a useful role for the mafia. While Town would use the Tracker role for a few different helpful purposes (finding scum, finding other PRs, verifying people's targets), Mafia only wants to figure out who the PRs are, not necessarily what they're doing.
Now, that changes if there's a Serial Killer - Mafia would be very interested in finding an SK, and so having a Tracker on their team would make a lot of sense for that.
2) It's possible that the Tracker part of Blarg/Kawl's claim is completely bogus, which means we're falling for the bait. Furthermore, if the game discussion is fairly ready to accept a "Tracker/Miller" as a real thing, we probably have little hope of convincing them that TWO town-aligned Trackers is impossible. I mean, we're operating on the assumption that dropping our Tracker card is the ace up 2our sleeve, but it really might not be.
3) I'm still fairly convinced Flux/Time's claims are completely bogus nonsense, but whether or not they're Town has yet to be seen. Whatever it is, it's really sloppy...which is generally kind of an innocent thing.
4) There are certain players making comments such as "Flux's role would be hard to fake", suggesting that they're aware that the rolenames are a bit more complex than "Cop" or "Miller". This suggests to me that they are also players with roles (for good or bad). After all, our official role name is pretty complicated (and I'm not saying it here, because I'm still paranoid that SOMEONE IS WATCHING)
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Post by karkador on Feb 17, 2016 7:22:47 GMT -8
It would be funny to counterclaim Miller on Blarg and Kawl. There could be two Trackers, but could there really be two Millers?
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 17, 2016 9:25:49 GMT -8
Alright, further thoughts I've pondered in the past day: 1) Thinking about the purpose of a Tracker, I'm having a bit of a hard time finding how it would be a useful role for the mafia. While Town would use the Tracker role for a few different helpful purposes (finding scum, finding other PRs, verifying people's targets), Mafia only wants to figure out who the PRs are, not necessarily what they're doing. Now, that changes if there's a Serial Killer - Mafia would be very interested in finding an SK, and so having a Tracker on their team would make a lot of sense for that. 2) It's possible that the Tracker part of Blarg/Kawl's claim is completely bogus, which means we're falling for the bait. Furthermore, if the game discussion is fairly ready to accept a "Tracker/Miller" as a real thing, we probably have little hope of convincing them that TWO town-aligned Trackers is impossible. I mean, we're operating on the assumption that dropping our Tracker card is the ace up 2our sleeve, but it really might not be. 3) I'm still fairly convinced Flux/Time's claims are completely bogus nonsense, but whether or not they're Town has yet to be seen. Whatever it is, it's really sloppy...which is generally kind of an innocent thing. 4) There are certain players making comments such as "Flux's role would be hard to fake", suggesting that they're aware that the rolenames are a bit more complex than "Cop" or "Miller". This suggests to me that they are also players with roles (for good or bad). After all, our official role name is pretty complicated (and I'm not saying it here, because I'm still paranoid that SOMEONE IS WATCHING) A serial killer... well you would know, since you were one in sicily. Mafia tracker might be a far fetched claim, especially since they already know who isn't scum (so a tracker is really only good for finding out who to kill. HOWEVER, a FAKE tracker claim isn't that bad if they are actually a role that could visit a whole bunch of people, like a role blocker... They also could be some sort of bullet-proof insomniac (though If I Had to guess at that , Flux/Time seem more likely to want people to visit them than Kawl/Blarg). Or maybe someone who kills a visitor. I will have to look into the "Flux's role would be hard to fake" thoughts, (even though I am just as guilty by asking for a "word" from the role). As far as our "ace up our sleeve" it only works if we stumble across someone visiting someone who then dies. Until then, it could be anything (except if we see someone visit two people, then we know conclusively that we found a swapper).
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 17, 2016 9:33:28 GMT -8
On the flux role,
I see Ty4on has commented on the difficulty of faking role names, I'll keep looking for others. Hopefully scum doesn't pick up on that.
In other news, I found it interesting that giant Panda's first post wasn't just a vote for us, but also a vote of confidence (a Defense) of Blarg/Kawl. El Topo hasn't indicated one thing or another on Blarg/Kawl, but now a defense.
I'm thinking they might be scum. El Topo likes to lay low day 1 if he is scum, and that is what he has been doing...
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Post by karkador on Feb 17, 2016 11:49:36 GMT -8
I should clarify that I'm wondering, too, if Blarg/Kawl are SK.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 18, 2016 6:25:42 GMT -8
Are we going to participate in the traditional "last hour of Gafia" insanity? Or do we want to double down on our Blarg/Kawl vote and say "its not moving"
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Post by karkador on Feb 18, 2016 6:35:40 GMT -8
My thinking is that we should stay firm on Blarg if we want our counterclaim to look a little more invested-in. Also, if we die on N1, it should make a statement.
I'd also like to stay away from the dogpile, wherever it lands.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Feb 18, 2016 7:12:57 GMT -8
Well I just got sent home from work due to being sick, so I will be limited in my posting today. Just as well its end of day and we are going to stay out of the dogpile.
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Post by karkador on Feb 18, 2016 8:15:31 GMT -8
Feel better!
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Post by karkador on Feb 18, 2016 10:15:16 GMT -8
"Wherever the dogpile ends up" was right
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