well actually maybe we should go for the Dusk pair. Really feel like Dusk is acting in a townie way, with him mistaking millers, and then voting for Kark (attracting backlash). Maybe scum would try to kill this pair and then expose them as town, which might put suspicion on anyone who voted for the Dusk pair. Although the town might think "hey, why should we feel more suspicion towards the people who voted for Dusk? Aren't we just being tugged around here by the actions of scum?". Or something.

It should be noted that the Dusk pair could be a lynch candidate tomorrow and they might hold off on the kill because of that. Although it didn't stop them from killing Cabsplinter. But in that case 1) they might've wanted to take out the townies who contributed the most, and was willing to attempt another night kill 2) they felt cabsplinter wouldn't be lynched tomorrow 3)they wanted to put some suspicion on kark/people who voted for cabsplinter. although i wouldn't be surprised if some people who voted for cabsplinter were part of mafia as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If mafia kills El Panda, who then flips town. This might confirm chat bomb, and it probably would make Kark seem even more genuine. (which if kark is scum, would be helpful)

Or it's a play by mafia. El Panda is actually the bad guy, breadcrumbs the chat bomb. Then mafia chatbombs Karkendoor for real. Then they kill Kark, perhaps thinking the doctors can't save people twice in a row. Kark dies, flips as town, might make El Panda's claim of chatbomb seem more genuine and townie.

Hmm...

fuck it

i'm leaning protecting dusk

i'll wait until 11:40 to submit my action, just in case you jump in at the last second hyper

also by 11:40, i mean like, in 60 minutes approximately

Command received.

thats okay

anyways, i find it interesting that supposedly the chat bomb RNGs who of the pair gets the ability to submit night actions. I'd figure it would be whoever submits first.

Hey, umm....

could you summarize day 3 for me?

i might have to reread day three again myself lol

Hey, sub me out and give me access to the thread burb. I'm not in a position to keep up with mafia right now, sorry D:

KK, there's next to no chance kark is scum. I put it in some post day 2, but it's too risky for scum to try and do

Tonight, protect Kark. I'm thinking that scum will think doctor has been duped twice, won't still be duped. Or they might think there is no doctor, rather they were unlucky with a roleblocker night 1. It's been two nights, if they would make a return to kark, they would do it now.

Unless some other sort of town leader shows up, or kark leads town to another town lynch at the end of the day. My advice for that is probably to heal someone other than kark. If kark dies, it also makes scum more likely to think there isn't a doctor.

The chat bomb is probably a scum thing, just imagine if it was used on scum

I think flame and coppa are probably scum

yeah i agree, hard to see Kark as scum, will protect the pair. See you later Hyper!

welcome!

sigh, would've been cool if they were neutrals

we now look extra scummy now, which on the bright side means we might not be a target for scum

on the not so bright side, we might have to fight to avoid a lynch in the next day phase

i believe the best target for our protection should be Kark.

it's from a design perspective, i just thought it would've been cool

i don't think i've ever played a gaf mafia game without a neutral, hmm.

My first worry is that your proposed action list is clearly alternating between us and Kark, which risks revealing that we can't heal anyone consecutively. I'd say instead we should act like we've been healing Kark every night after the first.

My second worry is that if we hint that we'll be healing ourselves on N5, that tells the scum that Kark will be vulnerable (and even though we can't heal ourselves N5 we can't heal them either, since we're healing them tonight, which I do think is the right play). I don't have a lot of experience with all these various roles, but it's unclear to me which role is more powerful for Town: us or Kark's. If we're the weaker role maybe we should just take the bullet.

I also think if it could be smart to claim our N1 heal was on someone else (like LaunchpadMcQ) and that we assume we were right. Make the mafia think something else stopped their kill, or suspect switcher involvement or something.

Oh, one more thing: if we get chat bombed, do we announce it? Seems like it's potentially useful information for Town, but if we come under suspicion it might seem like lie to appear Townier...

On your first point

If we changed it to N1 Cabot/Splinter, N2 Kark, N3 Kark, N4 Kark, but then also say we can self heal, the town might think that's a bit overpowered. Having the ability to consecutively save someone, and the ability to self-heal (and also the actual truth that we're not limited by how many x-heals unlike other roles). I believe the town would be suspicious of that type of claim. They might think there would need to be more limitation to our role.

On your second point

Apparently Kark's role is limited by x-shot. So if he uses his tracker role tonight, that pair's ability is no more. Although they could be bluffing. Personally I think both the doctors and trackers can be very useful. Doctors giving town more time by thwarting another scum attack. Trackers can find suspicious activity that can help prove a person is scum. For regular scum hunting, Karkendoor has definitely been very useful for town, counterclaiming against scum on Day 2, and then leading the charge against another scum on Day 4. But in the end, I don't support taking the bullet. We're the doctors who can stop scum attacks and stretch out the game longer, giving us more room for town to make mistakes in scum hunting.

But if we don't give a hint that we can self-heal. I think we would 100 percent be dead meat, and rely on hope that somehow there is a switcher that could save our butts...and I have no idea if there is a switcher.

I think we should be truthful on our N1 claim. I doubt scum would think it was a roleblocker, because we already had a similar roleblocker type get lynched on Day 1. Although it wasn't a traditional roleblocker, so I guess there's still a chance of one existing. I think it's likelier scum might get fooled into thinking there was switcher tomfoolery, but then if there was actually a real town switcher they might feel compelled to call bullshit on our N1. Or they might keep quiet and refuse to switch us with someone else to save our butts in the next night phase.

If we get chat bombed, we should notify. From a townie perspective, I think it's more helpful to be open with this information instead of simply hiding it.

Anyways here's an alternative bluff:

n1 Cabot/Splinter
n2 Kark
n3 self heal
n4 UltraJay/Boo (why these two? because we figured scum might think the doctors would save Kark. So instead they would go for someone else. We chose these two because it seemed like they were cleared by scum FlameCoppa when they tried to pin the blame on them during the end of Day 4. It also helped that Kark didn't find activity from them in his tracking results. Scum might think this pair wouldn't be a lynch candidate anymore, and instead take them out during the night.

If UltraBoo actually die tonight, then our bluff is instead that we saved El Topo/Panda. We chose these two because their chat bomb claim (while late) seemed genuine enough to us. Scum might feel compelled to take them out. El Topo also was one of the more active posters left besides Karkendoor, and scum seemed to follow the pattern of taking out high activity posters first (besides karkendoor).

A strength with this alternative bluff is that it now gives more uncertainty for scum. Will the doctors save themselves on N5? or maybe they'll try to save Kark? I think it gives Karkendoor a little more leeway to survive, scum might not want to risk a kill on Kark. And it gives us leeway to survival as well, with scum unsure if they want to waste a kill on doctors who can potentially self-heal themselves.

A problem with this alternative bluff is that people will question why we didn't go for the safe route and save Kark. Also there's a chance Kark will track us tonight, and screw us by giving counter info. Which will just make us look super duper scummy.

Also if we actually do stop a kill tonight with our Kark save, I don't think there's much point using this alternative bluff. Scum probably wouldn't be fooled, and might think we're lying about the self-heal.

Anyways here's our choices

Original Bluff (kingkitty idea):

N1 Cabot/Splinter
N2 Kark
N3 selfheal
N4 Kark

Alternative Bluff (riorius idea)

N1 Cabot/Splinter or bluff with someone else like McLaunchPad
N2 Kark
N3 Kark
N4 Kark

Alternative Bluff (kingkitty idea) (probably less of a good idea if we actually stop a night kill):

N1 Cabot/Splinter
N2 Kark
N3 selfheal
N4 BooJay (or El Panda is BooJay died tonight)

at this point I like the third bluff idea. your thoughts?