Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 6, 2016 4:26:47 GMT -8
Reminder that you have four and half hours left to submit Night Action.
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 6, 2016 7:36:14 GMT -8
well actually maybe we should go for the Dusk pair. Really feel like Dusk is acting in a townie way, with him mistaking millers, and then voting for Kark (attracting backlash). Maybe scum would try to kill this pair and then expose them as town, which might put suspicion on anyone who voted for the Dusk pair. Although the town might think "hey, why should we feel more suspicion towards the people who voted for Dusk? Aren't we just being tugged around here by the actions of scum?". Or something.
It should be noted that the Dusk pair could be a lynch candidate tomorrow and they might hold off on the kill because of that. Although it didn't stop them from killing Cabsplinter. But in that case 1) they might've wanted to take out the townies who contributed the most, and was willing to attempt another night kill 2) they felt cabsplinter wouldn't be lynched tomorrow 3)they wanted to put some suspicion on kark/people who voted for cabsplinter. although i wouldn't be surprised if some people who voted for cabsplinter were part of mafia as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If mafia kills El Panda, who then flips town. This might confirm chat bomb, and it probably would make Kark seem even more genuine. (which if kark is scum, would be helpful)
Or it's a play by mafia. El Panda is actually the bad guy, breadcrumbs the chat bomb. Then mafia chatbombs Karkendoor for real. Then they kill Kark, perhaps thinking the doctors can't save people twice in a row. Kark dies, flips as town, might make El Panda's claim of chatbomb seem more genuine and townie.
Hmm...
fuck it
i'm leaning protecting dusk
i'll wait until 11:40 to submit my action, just in case you jump in at the last second hyper
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 6, 2016 7:38:32 GMT -8
there's a very good chance mafia might kill us, which wouldn't be surprising, we've been surfing under the waves for a while
i might have been more willing to save el panda if i thought kark was scum, but i don't, so i feel like between mafia killing el panda + kark, killing kark would be the more attractive option. except we can't save kark so, shrug
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 6, 2016 7:39:15 GMT -8
also by 11:40, i mean like, in 60 minutes approximately
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 6, 2016 8:41:05 GMT -8
HEAL: Dusk and Karu
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Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 6, 2016 8:56:48 GMT -8
Command received.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Mar 7, 2016 5:21:29 GMT -8
Hey, sorry about that, was doing some thing over the weekend where I wouldn't be available from Friday afternoon through sunday afternoon, and Iimmediatley fell asleep sunday
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 7, 2016 8:04:16 GMT -8
thats okay
anyways, i find it interesting that supposedly the chat bomb RNGs who of the pair gets the ability to submit night actions. I'd figure it would be whoever submits first.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Mar 7, 2016 11:41:00 GMT -8
Or like Harry Potter, where you had Fredand George, and whoever submitted last would be the one whose command went through
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Post by Hyperactivity on Mar 8, 2016 15:34:51 GMT -8
Hey, umm....
could you summarize day 3 for me?
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 8, 2016 16:51:41 GMT -8
oh lemme see
people were like "timeflux so scummy" and "maybe hes town but i dont know lol!"
and then dusk votes on kark, and people start trying to lynch dusk for his vote
but in the end timeflux gets wrecked
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 8, 2016 16:51:54 GMT -8
i might have to reread day three again myself lol
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 9, 2016 7:40:34 GMT -8
Heads up guys, spectators who want to, will have read access to this chat from now on  . It won't affect you guys in any other way, but the viewcount might skyrocket.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Mar 9, 2016 10:38:00 GMT -8
Hey, sub me out and give me access to the thread burb. I'm not in a position to keep up with mafia right now, sorry D:
KK, there's next to no chance kark is scum. I put it in some post day 2, but it's too risky for scum to try and do
Tonight, protect Kark. I'm thinking that scum will think doctor has been duped twice, won't still be duped. Or they might think there is no doctor, rather they were unlucky with a roleblocker night 1. It's been two nights, if they would make a return to kark, they would do it now.
Unless some other sort of town leader shows up, or kark leads town to another town lynch at the end of the day. My advice for that is probably to heal someone other than kark. If kark dies, it also makes scum more likely to think there isn't a doctor.
The chat bomb is probably a scum thing, just imagine if it was used on scum
I think flame and coppa are probably scum
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 9, 2016 10:42:42 GMT -8
Okay, I'll tell the main game you are dropping out. RL stuff comes always first!
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 9, 2016 11:05:51 GMT -8
yeah i agree, hard to see Kark as scum, will protect the pair. See you later Hyper!
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 9, 2016 13:29:20 GMT -8
Ri'Orius is the new Hyperactivity  .
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 9, 2016 13:33:11 GMT -8
welcome!
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 9, 2016 17:12:39 GMT -8
As always, send me the night action as PM or as a post here.
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 9, 2016 17:12:57 GMT -8
sigh, would've been cool if they were neutrals
we now look extra scummy now, which on the bright side means we might not be a target for scum
on the not so bright side, we might have to fight to avoid a lynch in the next day phase
i believe the best target for our protection should be Kark.
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Post by riorius on Mar 10, 2016 12:47:24 GMT -8
Sorry I'm taking so long to catch up. I've skimmed the whole thread by now, but might need to give it a second pass and take some notes. I'm confused by "would've been cool if they were neutrals"; is that from a flavor/game design perspective? 'Cause from our strategic point of view it seems like them being scum is way better for us...
But yeah, protecting Kark seems like the right move.
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 10, 2016 16:18:01 GMT -8
it's from a design perspective, i just thought it would've been cool
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 10, 2016 16:18:30 GMT -8
there might not be any neutrals in this game
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 10, 2016 16:24:00 GMT -8
i don't think i've ever played a gaf mafia game without a neutral, hmm.
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 10, 2016 17:52:30 GMT -8
i mean, there's still a chance but eh whatever
Would've been nice if they were neutrals, i spent all that effort typing and thinking about how a chat bomb could be used to expose mafia. But alas, it was too good to be true. I should've known better but I got a little caught up thinking there could potentially be a helpful chatbomb neutral. But in the back of my mind I also figured that if they did flip scum, we probably earned ourselves a safe night. Scum might see us as a possible lynch candidate on Day 5. That day will certainly be interesting, hopefully we can avoid having to role claim. Anyways, because of the flip, it's hard for me to see Boojay as scum at the moment.
If we happen to get chatbombed tonight, and we face a scenario tomorrow where we have no choice but to role claim, how do you feel about implying that we can self heal, but not twice in a row?
So like we say:
Night 1 we healed Cabot/Splinter. Because of their high activity, scum might go for them. Which apparently they did. We also figured that because we were voted upon by quite a few people on Day 1, scum would see us as a possible lynch candidate, and not bother wasting their night kill on us.
Night 2 we healed Kark/Zipped because we were confident they were town trackers, and could provide important info.
Night 3 we healed ourselves because we were afraid we were being a bit too anonymous, and scum might find that suspicious and kill us.
Night 4 we healed Kark/Zipped again.
What we actually did (no self heal): N1 Cabot/Splinter N2 Kark/Zipped N3 Dusk Soldier/Karu N4 Kark/Zipped
I feel like if we don't bluff that we can self-heal, scum will undoubtedly attempt to kill us on Night 5. Although we should be subtle about the bluff. Simply post our Night results, with the only fake info being on Night 3 with the self heal. You think good idea or nah?
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Post by riorius on Mar 11, 2016 0:09:11 GMT -8
My first worry is that your proposed action list is clearly alternating between us and Kark, which risks revealing that we can't heal anyone consecutively. I'd say instead we should act like we've been healing Kark every night after the first.
My second worry is that if we hint that we'll be healing ourselves on N5, that tells the scum that Kark will be vulnerable (and even though we can't heal ourselves N5 we can't heal them either, since we're healing them tonight, which I do think is the right play). I don't have a lot of experience with all these various roles, but it's unclear to me which role is more powerful for Town: us or Kark's. If we're the weaker role maybe we should just take the bullet.
I also think if it could be smart to claim our N1 heal was on someone else (like LaunchpadMcQ) and that we assume we were right. Make the mafia think something else stopped their kill, or suspect switcher involvement or something.
Oh, one more thing: if we get chat bombed, do we announce it? Seems like it's potentially useful information for Town, but if we come under suspicion it might seem like lie to appear Townier...
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 11, 2016 8:52:32 GMT -8
Reminder you two have 24 hours left to submit night action  .
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 11, 2016 16:10:39 GMT -8
My first worry is that your proposed action list is clearly alternating between us and Kark, which risks revealing that we can't heal anyone consecutively. I'd say instead we should act like we've been healing Kark every night after the first. My second worry is that if we hint that we'll be healing ourselves on N5, that tells the scum that Kark will be vulnerable (and even though we can't heal ourselves N5 we can't heal them either, since we're healing them tonight, which I do think is the right play). I don't have a lot of experience with all these various roles, but it's unclear to me which role is more powerful for Town: us or Kark's. If we're the weaker role maybe we should just take the bullet. I also think if it could be smart to claim our N1 heal was on someone else (like LaunchpadMcQ) and that we assume we were right. Make the mafia think something else stopped their kill, or suspect switcher involvement or something. Oh, one more thing: if we get chat bombed, do we announce it? Seems like it's potentially useful information for Town, but if we come under suspicion it might seem like lie to appear Townier... On your first point If we changed it to N1 Cabot/Splinter, N2 Kark, N3 Kark, N4 Kark, but then also say we can self heal, the town might think that's a bit overpowered. Having the ability to consecutively save someone, and the ability to self-heal (and also the actual truth that we're not limited by how many x-heals unlike other roles). I believe the town would be suspicious of that type of claim. They might think there would need to be more limitation to our role. On your second point Apparently Kark's role is limited by x-shot. So if he uses his tracker role tonight, that pair's ability is no more. Although they could be bluffing. Personally I think both the doctors and trackers can be very useful. Doctors giving town more time by thwarting another scum attack. Trackers can find suspicious activity that can help prove a person is scum. For regular scum hunting, Karkendoor has definitely been very useful for town, counterclaiming against scum on Day 2, and then leading the charge against another scum on Day 4. But in the end, I don't support taking the bullet. We're the doctors who can stop scum attacks and stretch out the game longer, giving us more room for town to make mistakes in scum hunting. But if we don't give a hint that we can self-heal. I think we would 100 percent be dead meat, and rely on hope that somehow there is a switcher that could save our butts...and I have no idea if there is a switcher. I think we should be truthful on our N1 claim. I doubt scum would think it was a roleblocker, because we already had a similar roleblocker type get lynched on Day 1. Although it wasn't a traditional roleblocker, so I guess there's still a chance of one existing. I think it's likelier scum might get fooled into thinking there was switcher tomfoolery, but then if there was actually a real town switcher they might feel compelled to call bullshit on our N1. Or they might keep quiet and refuse to switch us with someone else to save our butts in the next night phase. If we get chat bombed, we should notify. From a townie perspective, I think it's more helpful to be open with this information instead of simply hiding it. Anyways here's an alternative bluff: n1 Cabot/Splinter n2 Kark n3 self heal n4 UltraJay/Boo (why these two? because we figured scum might think the doctors would save Kark. So instead they would go for someone else. We chose these two because it seemed like they were cleared by scum FlameCoppa when they tried to pin the blame on them during the end of Day 4. It also helped that Kark didn't find activity from them in his tracking results. Scum might think this pair wouldn't be a lynch candidate anymore, and instead take them out during the night. If UltraBoo actually die tonight, then our bluff is instead that we saved El Topo/Panda. We chose these two because their chat bomb claim (while late) seemed genuine enough to us. Scum might feel compelled to take them out. El Topo also was one of the more active posters left besides Karkendoor, and scum seemed to follow the pattern of taking out high activity posters first (besides karkendoor). A strength with this alternative bluff is that it now gives more uncertainty for scum. Will the doctors save themselves on N5? or maybe they'll try to save Kark? I think it gives Karkendoor a little more leeway to survive, scum might not want to risk a kill on Kark. And it gives us leeway to survival as well, with scum unsure if they want to waste a kill on doctors who can potentially self-heal themselves. A problem with this alternative bluff is that people will question why we didn't go for the safe route and save Kark. Also there's a chance Kark will track us tonight, and screw us by giving counter info. Which will just make us look super duper scummy. Also if we actually do stop a kill tonight with our Kark save, I don't think there's much point using this alternative bluff. Scum probably wouldn't be fooled, and might think we're lying about the self-heal. Anyways here's our choices Original Bluff (kingkitty idea): N1 Cabot/Splinter N2 Kark N3 selfheal N4 Kark Alternative Bluff (riorius idea) N1 Cabot/Splinter or bluff with someone else like McLaunchPad N2 Kark N3 Kark N4 Kark Alternative Bluff (kingkitty idea) (probably less of a good idea if we actually stop a night kill): N1 Cabot/Splinter N2 Kark N3 selfheal N4 BooJay (or El Panda is BooJay died tonight) at this point I like the third bluff idea. your thoughts?
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 11, 2016 16:20:11 GMT -8
oh, and here's a fourth idea (telling the truth and hope a switcher saves our ass)
N1 Cabot/Splinter N2 Kark N3 Dusk Soldier (which is the truth) N4 Kark
fifth idea (we put hope in a switcher saving our ass, and bluff on N4 to make scum a little more unsure of killing Kark, if they somehow chose not to target us)
N1 Cabot/Splinter N2 Kark N3 Dusk Soldier N4 BooJay (if they're dead tonight, then El Panda)(we could get countered by Kark if he tracked us tonight)
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Post by kingkitty on Mar 11, 2016 16:26:33 GMT -8
Thinking it over, putting in the idea of self-healing is pretty risky since I don't think that's super common with doctor roles. And this game is supposedly pretty tame on the balance scale, so I don't know if the town would buy it.
It's also a bit of a risk to hope that Burb put a switcher in this game. Man, I hope there's a town switcher that could save our butts. That would be swell.
No matter what of the Five Ways we choose to role claim tomorrow (if we have no choice/lots of votes on us)), there's different risks with each one. Hmm.
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