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Post by yn on Nov 5, 2015 19:07:19 GMT -8
Yeah, medium mechanic was done well. I think this game proved it can be done. I agree, although I would say that it should be limited to mid-season games. It think the general agreement is that Main Season Spectator threads should be combined, and using a medium would splinter that horribly. i see wat u did there splinter, you were super difficult to read as a town player in this game, btw. a lot of your stances end up looking anti-town. i was with cabochon when he was losing it on you.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 19:12:12 GMT -8
The Splinter meta is just too high level for us. Dat self-vote, man.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 5, 2015 19:22:51 GMT -8
*sigh* Fine, grats Palmer. It was all good play. I blame Splinter more now for being lazy anyway
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 5, 2015 19:29:24 GMT -8
*sigh* Fine, grats Palmer. It was all good play. I blame Splinter more now for being lazy anyway I don't think we got confirmation, but did scum and coppa attack you?
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Post by Sorian on Nov 5, 2015 19:30:33 GMT -8
*shrug* Ouro should be a doll and release all the night actions.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 5, 2015 19:32:03 GMT -8
Sure, one sec.
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Post by Coppanuva on Nov 5, 2015 19:34:57 GMT -8
*sigh* Fine, grats Palmer. It was all good play. I blame Splinter more now for being lazy anyway I don't think we got confirmation, but did scum and coppa attack you? I killed Matt night 1 (was going to pass it off as two scum kills), and then tried splinter (I was trying to hide my existence, I didn't anticipate getting called out, or that he'd know he was targeted). I'm shocked that copycat claim had so many people believe it. I was going to come clean before I died but then the allure of all that chaos was too good.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 5, 2015 19:37:00 GMT -8
N1:
roytheone READ MEMORY CARD Coppanuva Sorian STUN Splinter Pop-o-matic OMGPUPPIES Sorian Cabot TRANSFUSION Pop-o-matic Kalor HI DEAD PEOPLE GreatCharleston CQC Yes Palmer_v1 MOE Splinter Gorlak TROLLFACE KOJIMA Gorlak/Cabot Lone_Prodigy KILL roytheone Coppanuva SHALASHASKA Matt
N2:
Sorian STUN Splinter Pop-o-matic OMGPUPPIES Lone_Prodigy Cabot TRANSFUSION Pop-o-matic Kalor HI DEAD PEOPLE roytheone GreatCharleston CQC No Palmer_v1 MOE Pop-o-matic Gorlak TROLLFACE KOJIMA Sorian/Kalor Lone_Prodigy KILL Kalor Coppanuva SHALASHASKA Splinter DISPOSE Splinter
N3:
Pop-o-matic OMGPUPPIES Hyperactivity Cabot TRANSFUSION Pop-o-matic Kalor HI DEAD PEOPLE Sorian GreatCharleston CQC Palmer_v1 BOOM Gorlak TROLLFACE KOJIMA Pop-o-matic/Cabot Lone_Prodigy KILL Hyperactivity DISPOSE Splinter
N4:
Cabot TRANSFUSION Kalor Kalor HI DEAD PEOPLE Pop-o-matic Ty4on CQC Palmer_v1 MOE Gorlak TROLLFACE KOJIMA Kalor/Splinter Palmer_v1 KILL Splinter
N5:
Cabot TRANSFUSION Splinter GreatCharleston CQC Yes Palmer_v1 MOE cabot Palmer_v1 KILL cabot
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Post by Sorian on Nov 5, 2015 19:38:45 GMT -8
So my roleblock did block a dispose? lololol
I'm fine with it, at least I didn't rb the doctor trying to heal me.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 5, 2015 19:39:09 GMT -8
So my roleblock did block a dispose? lololol I'm fine with it, at least I didn't rb the doctor trying to heal me. Yeah, that would be stupid.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 5, 2015 19:40:06 GMT -8
What was Gorlak's full command on N3? You only have half of his swap in there.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 5, 2015 19:41:40 GMT -8
What was Gorlak's full command on N3? You only have half of his swap in there. Whoops. Cabot.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Nov 5, 2015 20:51:13 GMT -8
DAY 2 HAS ENDED Pop-o-Matic (0)CabotLone_Prodigy (0)CabotScraftySorianGreatCharleston (0)SorianKalorPop-o-MaticPalmer_v1SplinterLone_ProdigySorian (4)SplinterGorlak Splinter CoppanuvaScrafty Pop-o-Matic Fireblend (1)CabotKalorSorianPalmer_v1GreatCharleston ScraftyScrafty (6)SorianSorian Hyperactivity Kalor Pop-o-MaticCoppanuva Fireblend Lone_Prodigy Hyperactivity (2)FireblendLone_ProdigyCabot Palmer_v1 Coppanuva (0)SorianKalor (0)SorianHyperactivityFireblendScrafty Full list: I'll address the people that didn't vote for either first GreatCharleston was gone during the end but voted for Fireblend beforehand. Prettysure I mentioned this vote as being bandwagonny but I'm not gonna analyze specific votes right now Cabot and Palmer_v1 both voted for me. I don't know what their reasoning was, I think cabot did a mini-OMGUS and as far as I'm immediatley remembering, palmer didn't give a single reason for his vote. Both Cabot and Palmer bother me, Palmer especially so
4 people voted for Sorian -Scrafty: to protect herself -Pop-O-Matic: cause his idea that Sorian was scum. Questionable, and I won't discount the idea that Pop could be a scum tracker for some reason (NX had one). But let's just take him for town for now, we'll know soon enough That just leaves Gorlak and Splinter. I'll put you two on the list for now 6 People voted for Scrafty Hyper- town, put Scrafty down as fading into the backgorund but believed her death gave more info than say, Kalor or I Sorian- also suspicious of Scrafty, saving himself Leaving Kalor, Coppanuva, Lone_Prodigy, and Fireblend I'm going to disregard reads and go with what I KNOW for sure (well I guess I'll assume Pop is town for now) The group that I think we can get the most out of is Splinter and Gorlak From the Scrafty group, we have a considerably larger pool, but it seems we might have caught scum (who knows, but we have a good lead) I'm not sure how scum split themselves. It may be that all 3 split themselves equally, or 2 of them are hiding together. I do somewhat doubt that two scum would vote Sorian together with the person that was lynched and (assuming he isn'tone of the scum), Pop-O-Matic. If Pop is scum, it makes a little more sense Given that, I'm going to start this day asking palmer specifically about his vote on me, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, watching gorlak, splinter, and Lone_Prodigy
Holy shit Just look at that list Palmer, thoughts? Only think you've done is divert from kalor this last part of the day (I know you hate last minute stuff, but you've got to participate) wait, Roytheone was able to communicate read lists!!!! and that means dead people could share info and reads and figure out whose scum together, and then just say: so and so is acting scummy MY READS LIST: coppa is a neutral that should be lynched kalor is scum that tigured out who the neutral was and is trying to get town brownie points one of gorlak or splinter is probably scum I'm guessing that one of GreatCharleston and splinter is lying about their claim if I come back to this list after the game is over and was right I'm going to really enjoy the "I told you so" feeling I'm going to go back and see the votes yesterday when kalor was likely to be lynched. I don't buy his claim Not gonna say I told yo so, but it was all in the votes guys
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Post by Hyperactivity on Nov 5, 2015 21:01:16 GMT -8
On the game itself:
I said it before- a veteran AND a bulletproof is too much for one game. I honestly didn't think there could be two of those in one game, I still don't believe it
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Post by Coppanuva on Nov 5, 2015 21:03:45 GMT -8
It was a fun game with you all! Even if I did die sooner than I'd have liked, the spirit of the Ocelot lived on inside each of your hearts.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 5, 2015 21:05:33 GMT -8
On the game itself: I said it before- a veteran AND a bulletproof is too much for one game. I honestly didn't think there could be two of those in one game, I still don't believe it I did consider it. It can be pretty rough, but as much of a hindrance it is for scum, the vet can also be a problem for town. Besides, they can both be eliminated by lynching (and if GC had stayed in the game I think he probably would have been).
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 21:12:50 GMT -8
I was leaning Palmer before he came with some stuff about Splinter, but never found anything because he didn't post anything D1 and D2... Finally an example where scum were the least active Are you shitting me? I have more posts than most of the final 4. I'm 4th in the thread overall, and that's with essentially a missed day. My day 1 inactivity wasn't a lie. I did feel shitty about it, but I came out strong D2 and won some people over immediately. I was definitely active from D2 on, and that's not even including my scum thread activity.
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Post by Swamped on Nov 5, 2015 21:16:34 GMT -8
I was leaning Palmer before he came with some stuff about Splinter, but never found anything because he didn't post anything D1 and D2... Finally an example where scum were the least active Are you shitting me? I have more posts than most of the final 4. I'm 4th in the thread overall, and that's with essentially a missed day. My day 1 inactivity wasn't a lie. I did feel shitty about it, but I came out strong D2 and won some people over immediately. I was definitely active from D2 on, and that's not even including my scum thread activity. "LIKE"
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 21:20:09 GMT -8
Full list: I'll address the people that didn't vote for either first GreatCharleston was gone during the end but voted for Fireblend beforehand. Prettysure I mentioned this vote as being bandwagonny but I'm not gonna analyze specific votes right now Cabot and Palmer_v1 both voted for me. I don't know what their reasoning was, I think cabot did a mini-OMGUS and as far as I'm immediatley remembering, palmer didn't give a single reason for his vote. Both Cabot and Palmer bother me, Palmer especially so
4 people voted for Sorian -Scrafty: to protect herself -Pop-O-Matic: cause his idea that Sorian was scum. Questionable, and I won't discount the idea that Pop could be a scum tracker for some reason (NX had one). But let's just take him for town for now, we'll know soon enough That just leaves Gorlak and Splinter. I'll put you two on the list for now 6 People voted for Scrafty Hyper- town, put Scrafty down as fading into the backgorund but believed her death gave more info than say, Kalor or I Sorian- also suspicious of Scrafty, saving himself Leaving Kalor, Coppanuva, Lone_Prodigy, and Fireblend I'm going to disregard reads and go with what I KNOW for sure (well I guess I'll assume Pop is town for now) The group that I think we can get the most out of is Splinter and Gorlak From the Scrafty group, we have a considerably larger pool, but it seems we might have caught scum (who knows, but we have a good lead) I'm not sure how scum split themselves. It may be that all 3 split themselves equally, or 2 of them are hiding together. I do somewhat doubt that two scum would vote Sorian together with the person that was lynched and (assuming he isn'tone of the scum), Pop-O-Matic. If Pop is scum, it makes a little more sense Given that, I'm going to start this day asking palmer specifically about his vote on me, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, watching gorlak, splinter, and Lone_Prodigy
Holy shit Just look at that list Palmer, thoughts? Only think you've done is divert from kalor this last part of the day (I know you hate last minute stuff, but you've got to participate) wait, Roytheone was able to communicate read lists!!!! and that means dead people could share info and reads and figure out whose scum together, and then just say: so and so is acting scummy MY READS LIST: coppa is a neutral that should be lynched kalor is scum that tigured out who the neutral was and is trying to get town brownie points one of gorlak or splinter is probably scum I'm guessing that one of GreatCharleston and splinter is lying about their claim if I come back to this list after the game is over and was right I'm going to really enjoy the "I told you so" feeling I'm going to go back and see the votes yesterday when kalor was likely to be lynched. I don't buy his claim Not gonna say I told yo so, but it was all in the votes guys I felt bad nobody was really listening to you. I tried to focus on the fact that you were accusing Splinter, when he was pretty clearly town, IMO. We actually killed you to stop you from going after Gorlak, but the kalor/dead read lists did the same thing so it was a wash.
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Post by Swamped on Nov 5, 2015 21:20:48 GMT -8
I agree, although I would say that it should be limited to mid-season games. It think the general agreement is that Main Season Spectator threads should be combined, and using a medium would splinter that horribly. i see wat u did there splinter, you were super difficult to read as a town player in this game, btw. a lot of your stances end up looking anti-town. i was with cabochon when he was losing it on you. Reading Splinter is easy. If he plays like town, he's mafia, if he plays like mafia, he's town lol
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 21:45:41 GMT -8
Well it was both ballsy, intelligent (if Pop is indeed town, moreso if they chose someone like Matt) and showed some cunning. A doctor would have no choice but to protect a claim if he existed. Basically, something I can imagine Palmer planning if he was ever scum. This was my favorite post of the entire game. I wanted to get Cabot to end game with me so badly but he just HAD to be the doctor.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 22:20:05 GMT -8
Anyway, thoughts on the game, what went right, what went wrong, yadda yadda yadda? Balance was pretty good. It risked being swingy but town had several roles to mitigate it. No major problems with Medium. I'd probably restrain it to just a post from the targeted dead person rather than an entire dead thread. Also dislike needing to have separate threads. This proves it CAN work, but whether it's worth it is another question. I'm starting to dislike Switchers. In researching for other games, I discovered a few communities consider it a bit bastard when it's town aligned, and even worse when it's scum. We could have neutered Cabot the entire game, which isn't fun. A roleblocker can do the same, but at least they have to figure out who the doctor is first. I don't think we should consider them a "normal" role for GAFia.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Nov 5, 2015 22:56:44 GMT -8
Swamped's alliance thing had no scum on it. It did have the neutral though haha.
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Post by cabot on Nov 5, 2015 23:48:25 GMT -8
I can't believe how hard I had to work to convince there weren't three killers.
Fuck you, floppa
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Post by Roytheone on Nov 6, 2015 2:14:13 GMT -8
Guys, seriously, this loss could have been VERY easily avoided. Remember:
Always be lynching Fireblend!!!!!
Now, some of you may say: but Roy, you and fire were on the same side! THAT DOESN'T MATTER! The cosmic rule doesn't care about that, it simply says: if me and fire are in the same team, lynching him will make me (and my team) win, and not lynching him will make me lose. In NX me and Fire were on the same team, I still lynched him, and guess what? WE WON! The moment you guys saw my flip as town, you should have immediately turbo'd Fire. Hell, Fire should have voted for himself, knowing that this will insure that I (and thus town, including Fire himself) would win. But no, instead you guys brushed aside the rule as "just a coincidence", you didn't believe it was true....Do you guys now see what that brought you? DO YOU NOW SEE? ALWAYS FOLLOW THE RULE! ALWAYS BE LYNCHING FIREBLEND
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Post by Swamped on Nov 6, 2015 3:36:25 GMT -8
Swamped's alliance thing had no scum on it. It did have the neutral though haha. Hahaha! Looking back at it, you're right lol. How fortuitous. Maybe I'll try that strategy again next time. I feel like not everybody had the time to react to my Alliance thing this game.
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Post by Roytheone on Nov 6, 2015 3:36:55 GMT -8
Also, FYI, I had a pretty elaborate role claim planned for how I would post my investigation results. Instead of just giving the alignments of people (boooooooooooring) I would pretend that I would also found some other....eh...."weird" stuff on their memory cards/hard drives. Think things like finding a love poem directed to justin bieber, all the seasons of My little pony, Weird ass cross fiction, pictures of said person cross dressing and.....ehm...savegames of weird ass hentai games. For that last one, I actually looked up screenshots for hentai games so that I could sent them to Retro beforehand to make sure he was OK with it. Searching for screenshots that were not just straight up porn was.....a challenge. I saw the most horrible things. In the end, I found a couple of games/screenshots that were maybe acceptable (but still on the border), and then I ended up dead AND IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING, FUCK YOU SCUM TEAM (if anyone for some insane reason wants to see the pictures I collected, send me a PM, but don't tell me I didn't warn you).
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Post by Splinter on Nov 6, 2015 4:27:16 GMT -8
i see wat u did there splinter, you were super difficult to read as a town player in this game, btw. a lot of your stances end up looking anti-town. i was with cabochon when he was losing it on you. Reading Splinter is easy. If he plays like town, he's mafia, if he plays like mafia, he's town lol
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 6, 2015 5:35:01 GMT -8
I was leaning Palmer before he came with some stuff about Splinter, but never found anything because he didn't post anything D1 and D2... Finally an example where scum were the least active Are you shitting me? I have more posts than most of the final 4. I'm 4th in the thread overall, and that's with essentially a missed day. My day 1 inactivity wasn't a lie. I did feel shitty about it, but I came out strong D2 and won some people over immediately. I was definitely active from D2 on, and that's not even including my scum thread activity. D3, 4 and 5 were great. D2 wasn't bad, but most of your posts seemed to focus on last night. The biggest issue was probably the lack of pressure. There was some at the start of D2, but it ended when you fought back. Fire was much easier to read because everybody wanted to kill him and had an opinion of him
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Post by Coppanuva on Nov 6, 2015 7:34:58 GMT -8
I can't believe how hard I had to work to convince there weren't three killers. Fuck you, floppa awww... don't worry man, I was rooting for you to convince them. I didn't actually know for sure scum would have been able to capitalize on the madness and kill 2 on that night to complete the illusion. It was just good luck on my claim's part.
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