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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 11, 2016 17:53:51 GMT -8
Can you imagine how good I'd look if blarg had flipped. I'm assuming no one else will be flipped on the island. Obviously we can't flip scum and then turn around and be put in the afterlife right? If that's the case town on the island is going to get demoralized real quick. I toyed around in my head with the idea of claiming "dead cop" who can see the alignment of dead players (provided none of them flip at night). I think that might get a bit scumtelly though (and it's completely unverifiable by anyone). I guess just claiming ordinary is probably safest, and it is true since I am an Ordinary Villager. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 17:59:57 GMT -8
Scum always feel the need to claim a role, but it's not needed most of the time.
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 18:25:40 GMT -8
Quick recap! DON'T FORGET, THESE ARE THE METAMECHANICS: 'The Island' Day vote/lynch - Kills one player from 'The Island' thread 'The Afterlife' Day vote/lynch - Kills one player from the 'The Afterlife' thread 'The Afterlife' Night vote/lynch - Kills one player from the 'The Island' threadEvil Spirits scum factional kill, called BANISH - Kills one player from 'The Afterlife' thread (we NK the "deceased" AFTERLIFE players, NOT the living players on 'The Island') --- This is the STATUS of our EVIL SPIRITS scum team, at the moment: EVIL SPIRITSBlargonaut - DIED FROM ZIPPED'S Aftermath, NOW IN AFTERLIFE THREAD (but can still chat in scum thread) -> EMPOWERED: Framer Role: each Night, can either select one living (NOT Afterlife) Island/Town player to appear as a random scum Role name to investigators; or, select one living (NOT Afterlife) scum player to appear as a random Island/Town Role name to investigators. Lone_Prodigy - DIED FROM ZIPPED'S Aftermath, NOW IN AFTERLIFE THREAD (but can still chat in scum thread) -> EMPOWERED: Possessor Role: each Night, can take control of a power that was bestowed by an Afterlife player to a living Island player. nin1000 - alive, on the Island Coppanuva - alive, on the Island CzarTim - alive, on the Island ridli - alive, on the Island btw, if any of you 5's Roles have changed overnight (got any evil powers?) like mine did, pls do tell so I can update the blanks below, so we can form a long-term strat here ASAPFAKE EDIT: So, it seems that a player only gains a Power Role upon dying, and everyone still alive is likely just a powerless Ordinary Villager. THIS IS IMPORTANT; IF YOU'RE A LIVING ISLANDER, IT ADDS A NEW LAYER OF META TO CLAIMING TO BE A POWER ROLE, BECAUSE THE AFTERLIFE PLAYERS WILL BE COMPELLED TO BELIEVE THAT THAT PERSON IS LYING. DOES THIS 'EMPOWERMENT' GAME MECHANIC MEAN THAT ALL POWER ROLES ARE IN THE AFTERLIFE? WHERE ARE THE INVESTIGATORS AT; MY NEW FRAMER ROLE PM SAYS THEY EXIST, BUT WHERE? Your thoughts on Power roles and -claiming, everyone? Anyway, so, me and Lone_Prodigy are the only two among us six that have powers for scum, at the moment. Despite this, my new Role PM states that ANY ONE OF US 6, can carry out our nightly factional kill, on any Afterlife player. So, me and LP will keep you all informed on who's the strongest/most threatening Afterlife player, who we should probably target, who should carry it out, etc. We'll decide later amongst us, who in the Afterlife thread we should execute Tonight. Meanwhile, you 4, continue living your lives on the Island; BUT REMEMBER, KEEP THE AFTERLIFE A SECRET; DON'T LET THE KNOWLEDGE OF ITS EXISTENCE ESCAPE THIS THREAD --- And, everyone else: AFTERLIFE/"DECEASED"Zippedpinhead - ISLANDER; Weevil the Outsider, Town-aligned Bomb Blargonaut - EVIL SPIRIT; Platypus the Dishonest, Mafia-aligned FramerHyperactivity - ? Kalor - ? Karu - ? LaunchPadMcQ - ? LoneProdigy - EVIL SPIRIT; Snail, Mafia-aligned PossessorPop-O-Matic - ? Sawneeks - ? Swamped - ? THE ISLANDCurrent Player List: [m] BlargonautAfterlife - EVIL SPIRIT; Platypus, Mafia-aligned Framer (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)- [m] Cabot - ?
- [m] Coppanuva - EVIL SPIRIT; Tiger, Mafia-aligned Ordinary Villager
- [m] CornBro - ?
- [m] CrimsonFist - ?
- [m] CzarTim - EVIL SPIRIT; Fox, Mafia-aligned Ordinary Villager
- [m] Dusk Soldier - ?
[m] HyperactivityAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)[m] KalorAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)[m] KaruAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)- [m] Kawl_USC - ?
[m] LaunchpadMcQAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)[m] Lone ProdigyAfterlife - EVIL SPIRIT; Snail, Mafia-aligned Possessor (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)[m] Lord of Castamere - ISLANDER; Snake, Town-aligned Ordinary Villager (modkilled)- [m] Mazre - ?
- [m] nin1000 - EVIL SPIRIT; Chimpanzee, Mafia-aligned Ordinary Villager
- [m] ridli - EVIL SPIRIT; Mouse, Mafia-aligned Ordinary Villager
[m] Pop-O-MaticAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)- [m] roytheone - ?
[f] SawneeksAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)- [f] ScraftyDevil - ?
- [m] Sorian - ? (was mod-Resurrected after modkill, D1; possibly had/has access to Afterlife thread? But there's no evidence he was ever there, or is)
- [m] squidyj - ?
[f] SwampedAfterlife - ___?___ (vaporized N1, in zipped's Aftermath)- [m] Terrabyte20xx - ?
- [f] Trigger - ?
- [m] Ty4on - ?
- [m] ultron87 - ?
- [m] Xamtheking - ?
[m] zippedpinheadAfterlife - ISLANDER; Weevil The Outsider, Town-aligned Bomb (sacrificed D1, by majority vote)- [m] Bombay/Darryl - ?
* underlining means 'Empowered after Death'20/31 players remain on the Island. 4/6 Evil Spirits remain on the Island. 10 players persist within the Afterlife; 2 of which, are Evil Spirits (Blargonaut, Lone_Prodigy). --- Please correct, add anything I've missed, etc. ALSO, MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU USE THIS POST AS A REFERENCE, YOU DON'T QUOTE ANY OF THIS DIRECTLY, BECAUSE MULTIPLE PEOPLE USING THE SAME TERMS TO REFER TO STUFF IS A #SCUMTELL (secret communication ability!) AND DON'T CALL RIDLI PALMER, NONE OF THEM KNOW THAT for new page |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 18:35:55 GMT -8
REGARDING THE PLAY BETWEEN LIFE AND AFTERLIFE
Splint provided a sample 'Empowered' Role PM in the Afterlife thread, as LP referred to above. I just read it myself.
These are its details:
- sample is called 'Guardian Spirit'
- each Night phase, can BESTOW a power upon a living Island player, TWICE per Night
- the targeted player is given a 1-shot Doctor ability, to use anytime at their discretion
- Each living Island player can hold a MAXIMUM of 3 Power shots of any type
- if a living Island player is already holding 3 shots when bestowed 1 more, they don't receive it
This means that, any Power Role-claims you living scum make, should be made later in the game, when there have already been a few Nights passed in the Afterlife thread too, to make it seem like someone there BESTOWED you some x-shots. Your Power-claim should also be of the x-shot type, so the Afterlife players will believe someone bestowed it to you. Gives you a bit more credibility?
But, BEFORE you claim, make sure to warn us in here first, so that me or Lone_Prodigy can fabricate an 'Town-aligned Empowered' Role-claim of our own, based on your x-shot claim. That way, we can time our double-claiming to attempt double street-cred saturation in both Life and Afterlife, but, not before deciding amongst ourselves which of us will claim first:
...Will it be me or LP to claim bestowal of an x-shot to you in the Afterlife thread first, and then you make your x-shot Role-claim in the Life thread after?
...Or, will it be you to x-shot Role-claim in the Life thread first, and then me or LP will then claim in the Afterlife thread after you, that one of us bestowed that power to you that Night prior to the Day of your claim? However, I think this route would make me or LP look suspicious to the rest of the Afterlife players, since the Afterlife claimant was only after the "fact"...? bleh
Anyway, I think I describe all the use of all this, sequentially better below.
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PINCER ATTACK
THE METHOD:
- In the Island/Life thread, one of you living scum members claims to be a Power Role, just like a Role-claim in a vanilla game. Say it's x-shot, to coincide with the info from the Afterlife thread (which no one else in the Life thread knows about).
- The Life players will apply pressure/ask for any corroborators to come forth, just like facing a Role-claim in a vanilla game, because they don't know about the BESTOWAL mechanic from the Afterlife.
- Meanwhile, the Afterlife players will be scrambling to find out who amongst them could have possibly BESTOWED a Power to that Life player (one of us scum); they likely will NOT suspect the Life player of lying, because of this BESTOWAL mechanic of theirs meshing with the fact you claimed as x-shot.
- However, some of the smarter Afterlife players, after seeing the x-shot claim, may become alerted to the possibility that deceased scum may be feeding the sample Role info from the Afterlife thread to the living scum (which is true, TY to LP and yours truly), and will come to the conclusion that deceased scum can still chat in the scum thread, which they will attempt to use to build a case against the living scum player who claimed x-shot in the Life thread. They'll then try to push for performing the Afterlife's voted-for NK on that player; I doubt this will gain traction, but me and LP will try to fight that movement.
- How we'll fight it, is the trick; BEFORE your claim as x-shot in the Life thread, either me or LP (we'll decide) will have a Role-claim ready of our own that matches the details of whatever your x-shot claim was (DON'T post it until our claims match up), to post in the Afterlife thread. One of us will claim we BESTOWED you that x-shot power, the Night BEFORE the Day of your claim.
This way, we can fight for credibility for two players on two fronts.
- NOTE: I'm thinking, actually, if you don't claim to be x-shot, the Afterlife players will actually only mildly suspect you, because the reigning assumption in the Afterlife is that being a Power Role is only a result of having died. NOT CLAIMING X-SHOT AS A LIFE PLAYER COULD BE A GOOD MOVE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE Afterlife can't really use it against you as no one in the Life thread currently has knowledge of the Afterlife's existence... well, except maybe Sorian. :/ ...I dunno, I have to give this possibility more thought. At the very least, it'd throw their current assumption that deceased scum can still talk to living scum in chat, totally OFF.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 18:43:14 GMT -8
If the afterlife is the only bit that really matters... why not bus our own to get a majority there? Is there something I've missed about win conditions?
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 18:46:18 GMT -8
If the afterlife is the only bit that really matters... why not bus our own to get a majority there? Is there something I've missed about win conditions? Town can only lynch us for good in the afterlife, so the longer we stay here, the less chance of us being lynched for real. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 18:49:25 GMT -8
Well, there's... 9 people there now? 2 scum and 7 town. If we just killed ourselves off, it's only a few phases until we outnumber them? That's if we don't have any more mass deaths, i guess.
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 18:53:51 GMT -8
brb, have to make my entrance in the Afterlife thread
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 18:56:05 GMT -8
blargy, the doctor thing is an example, right? Why would islanders need a doc if theyd just go down to the after life?
Also any indication of 3p?
And I'm also extremely curious about what info town gets on the island. If lynches = flipped info but nks don't, that changes things vs no flips from either.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 19:01:50 GMT -8
blargy, the doctor thing is an example, right? Why would islanders need a doc if theyd just go down to the after life? Also any indication of 3p? And I'm also extremely curious about what info town gets on the island. If lynches = flipped info but nks don't, that changes things vs no flips from either. To add to this, is zipp confirmed town down there? Or did splint indicate alignments changed? if lynches provide flips on the island, each townie we lynch is confirmed down below, and we'd just be lynched immediately in the afterlife after our flip on the island. Meaning in a weird way scum would push for their own in the afterlife night vote assuming nks on the island continue not to include flips. |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 19:07:53 GMT -8
blargy, the doctor thing is an example, right? Why would islanders need a doc if theyd just go down to the after life? Also any indication of 3p? And I'm also extremely curious about what info town gets on the island. If lynches = flipped info but nks don't, that changes things vs no flips from either. You know, most living things fear death What's 3p? wut |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 19:08:43 GMT -8
yep, it's a sample Role PM
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 19:10:39 GMT -8
To add to this, is zipp confirmed town down there? Or did splint indicate alignments changed? if lynches provide flips on the island, each townie we lynch is confirmed down below, and we'd just be lynched immediately in the afterlife after our flip on the island. Meaning in a weird way scum would push for their own in the afterlife night vote assuming nks on the island continue not to include flips. brb with a summary of the Afterlife thread so far |
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 19:45:05 GMT -8
Did zipped even know what he was prior to his flip?
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 19:48:53 GMT -8
Did zipped even know what he was prior to his flip? Wss wondering this as well. If the first lynch was always going to be that. Man I was wondering why no one felt like scum yesterday. |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 20:22:39 GMT -8
According to him in the Afterlife thread, zipped didn't know he was "The Outsider"/The Bomb until "right before he was thrown into the volcano"
He states that his original Role PM was that of an Ordinary Villager
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 20:29:34 GMT -8
So chances are EVERYONE except Sorian, us, and maybe a neutral or two think they're ordinary.
Since there are probably no flips, it feels like we can play much more boldly. It's impossible for living chat to make connections.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 20:41:48 GMT -8
Nin, you need to post some, and constructively. you're a quite likely target today.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 21:14:33 GMT -8
Just random speculation. We know we lost 1/3 of scum team to volcano. There were 30 players(ignoring LoC). 24 are not (our) scum. 1/3 of them is 6. That could account for 8 kills alone. Maybe he averaged up to make the 9 if LoC was included?
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 21:25:46 GMT -8
brb with a summary of the Afterlife thread so far Just a heads-up, this might take a while, because I'm trying to read between their lines Also, because I'm slow |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 11, 2016 23:03:09 GMT -8
AFTERLIFE THREAD, UPDATE LOG 1
- zipped also said/elaborated afterwards, that the first time he saw the Outsider PM of his, was when he "clicked on the locked thread" and saw his death. That he "was Ordinary until the moment he died".
- Again, to reiterate; zipped opened with a comment expressing his regret that he wasn't "judge, jury and executioner" (likely meaning he had no control over his Bomb's targets). I don't think any of you living scum players can use this particular snippet of info directly without drawing hot suspicion from Afterlife players, but it's good to just know, I guess.
- It seems like zipped's taking charge over here with his deductive skills; he has a (I think very much correct) theory that everyone in the Island/Life thread is powerless Ordinary, despite their alignment. Seems spot-on, as far we can see right now with the intel available to us.
He's come to the conclusion that "the new spirit roles" have "taken the place of power roles", and that the "deceased" yet now 'Empowered' spirits work to secretly support the powerless Ordinary members of their respective factions from the sidelines, either via x-shot Power BESTOWAL (a la the sample Role PM; I think this BESTOWAL style is how the Town-aligned 'Empowered' show their support) or direct Power intervention (the scum 'Empowered' way, like mine and LP's powers). Overall, a very Iliad game, I like it.
The others in Afterlife have yet to vocalize their opinions on this matter.
- Swamped has partially Role-claimed; she says that she used to be an Ordinary Villager but turned into a Power Role after death, and said that her ability could help Islanders, but said that hers was different from the one in the Afterlife's 'Empowered' sample Role PM (so, she's saying that she's NOT a distributor of 1-shot Doctor; well, she didn't specify whether she was even a distributor of anything at all, BUT considering that each Islander can hold 3 x-shots according to the sample 'Empowered' Role PM, it's pretty likely that she is indeed a distributor of x-shots of some unknown type).
I mean, it'd be easy to fabricate this kind of claim as it's just a clone of the sample, but I don't have any reason to doubt her right now; so, chalk another one point in support of 'regardless of alignment, everyone alive is Ordinary but upon dying gains a Power meant to help or hinder those still alive' gimmick of this game.
- There are definitely concerns among the spirits, that some players in the Afterlife thread may have switched alignment upon death, due to the wording of a line in the sample Role PM: "You are still aligned with the Islanders." Their concern stems from the word "still". Personally, I think the wording is just a form of reassurance on Splint's part, meant to partially alleviate the shock in the novelty of getting a new Role PM and discovering the existence of a secret thread? I don't think anyone's alignment changed on death; after all, we don't have any new scum members after N1... maybe some people turned Neutral after dying, or maybe there really is a 2nd scum faction, which started small but is growing...? Anyway, this particular point shouldn't concern you "living" players too much, at the moment.
- For now, it seems like they're kinda-sorta leaning towards Afterlife-NK'ing Sorian later Tonight, as zipped, Swamped and Sawneeks have each expressed their growing distrust of him in their posts (I'll elaborate on this soon); however, mostly everyone agrees that the scum hunt continues.
No serious conflict here in the Afterlife, at the moment. A few mild accusations and a couple of votes thrown out, that's all. The debate on who among us 10 spirits to banish from the Afterlife is yet to seriously begin; but, soon.
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I'll update again once anything important or threatening comes up.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 2:57:31 GMT -8
By the way, I'll accept night actions in here. You can also post them on behalf of someone else I you know they will be unavailable.
Use the code tags when you've decided though, I'll only accept your first choice of target
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 2:58:41 GMT -8
Also L_P's role has two actions per night, so please try and get the first in ASAP
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:38:42 GMT -8
Nin, you need to post some, and constructively. you're a quite likely target today. Will try my very best. reading through the chat atm, dont worry though  |
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 4:02:05 GMT -8
read through the thread now and made some posts, i will be active for the rest of the day aswell so i will try and respond to everything that will be thrown against me aswell.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 12, 2016 5:44:34 GMT -8
Thanks for the updates blarg.
Zipped changing roles still doesn't give us a clue on how flips after lynches will work up here, unfortunately. Until one of us is lynched, we won't know how it will work.
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 5:57:01 GMT -8
I dont think well flip scum. If we dis, we'd immediately get scterlife NK'd
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 12, 2016 8:41:05 GMT -8
I dont think well flip scum. If we dis, we'd immediately get scterlife NK'd But then why do islanders get empowered? There is a cop empowerment, otherwise we wouldn't have a framer. If a cop scum reads us and we don't flip scum, what's the point? Like the afterlife would know, but islanders will get demoralized quick. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 12, 2016 8:48:06 GMT -8
I dont think well flip scum. If we dis, we'd immediately get scterlife NK'd But then why do islanders get empowered? There is a cop empowerment, otherwise we wouldn't have a framer. If a cop scum reads us and we don't flip scum, what's the point? Like the afterlife would know, but islanders will get demoralized quick. To fuck with us. Maybe nobody flips? Maybe the only person who flips was Zipped (because his death triggered a specific action)? I wonder how this'll play out after the end of this day phase. Also I like Blarg's plan for the pincer thing if needed.
I wonder who we should banish from the Afterlife? Maybe a bit early to be worried about this, but my thought right now is essentially kill off any "confirmed town" early on.
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 8:58:03 GMT -8
Sorian absolutely. He may be the only other way for town to get info.
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