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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 7:26:37 GMT -8
OK, thanks. And yeah, animal checking is useless. However, switching can be actively against town, and I have yet to think about any way it can used in our advantage. Much like protecting, watching, and tracking, that just completely depends on how the soul destroy command works. Switching would just be another way to protect you at this point. I am pretty sure I can only be killed by a majority vote either on the island or here. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 7:30:08 GMT -8
Much like protecting, watching, and tracking, that just completely depends on how the soul destroy command works. Switching would just be another way to protect you at this point. I am pretty sure I can only be killed by a majority vote either on the island or here. I'd rather be safe and consider both angles. You are immune to spirit actions. We have no indication that soul destroy is a spirit action since living players can still, presumably, use it. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 8:24:48 GMT -8
It's feeling pretty...... dead around here. Ohohohohoho *Gets modkilled again* |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 8:41:10 GMT -8
I am pretty sure I can only be killed by a majority vote either on the island or here. I'd rather be safe and consider both angles. You are immune to spirit actions. We have no indication that soul destroy is a spirit action since living players can still, presumably, use it. Fair, but we defiantly don't want 4 people to get bestowed with tracking, that is way overkill. I would say Karu and squidyj both bestow one tracking to a player and dump the other one in the person we kill. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 8:42:49 GMT -8
I'd rather be safe and consider both angles. You are immune to spirit actions. We have no indication that soul destroy is a spirit action since living players can still, presumably, use it. Fair, but we defiantly don't want 4 people to get bestowed with tracking, that is way overkill. I would say Karu and squidyj both bestow one tracking to a player and dump the other one in the person we kill. *Switching
And you're no fun, you just don't want another lovely day like HP? 
I agree with your plan.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 8:45:39 GMT -8
Fair, but we defiantly don't want 4 people to get bestowed with tracking, that is way overkill. I would say Karu and squidyj both bestow one tracking to a player and dump the other one in the person we kill. *Switching
And you're no fun, you just don't want another lovely day like HP?
I agree with your plan.
You mean a night that was so confusing that even the mods got it wrong? I think splinter would not be happy with that  |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 8:49:44 GMT -8
*Switching
And you're no fun, you just don't want another lovely day like HP?
I agree with your plan.
You mean a night that was so confusing that even the mods got it wrong? I think splinter would not be happy with that Hey! Splinter knew what he was getting into! |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 11:53:55 GMT -8
What is the vote count looking like at the moment. Come on ghosts, make those opinions known.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 12:02:52 GMT -8
What is the vote count looking like at the moment. Come on ghosts, make those opinions known. I am like one of the only ones here and I can't even vote  Still going to let my opinion be known though: I would for now vote for squidyj. Yeah, he seems to be confirmed by Karu by knowing the role name, but I wouldn't be surprised if scum got fake ghost names to use in the afterlife in order to prevent us from confirming a lot of town this way, would be fair IMO. So until his bestows are confirmed, I would vote for him. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 21, 2016 12:32:43 GMT -8
What is the vote count looking like at the moment. Come on ghosts, make those opinions known. I am like one of the only ones here and I can't even vote :( Still going to let my opinion be known though: I would for now vote for squidyj. Yeah, he seems to be confirmed by Karu by knowing the role name, but I wouldn't be surprised if scum got fake ghost names to use in the afterlife in order to prevent us from confirming a lot of town this way, would be fair IMO. So until his bestows are confirmed, I would vote for him. If we're still working with KK we can always ask him to kill the person we don't vote out. If Xam gets lynched ask him to get Squidy or vice versa. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 12:36:12 GMT -8
I am like one of the only ones here and I can't even vote Still going to let my opinion be known though: I would for now vote for squidyj. Yeah, he seems to be confirmed by Karu by knowing the role name, but I wouldn't be surprised if scum got fake ghost names to use in the afterlife in order to prevent us from confirming a lot of town this way, would be fair IMO. So until his bestows are confirmed, I would vote for him. If we're still working with KK we can always ask him to kill the person we don't vote out. If Xam gets lynched ask him to get Squidy or vice versa. He's speaking towards the vote I made though. I'm voting for Kalor today :x
I think Xam is the only one with potential at the moment to be scum but on the chance he isn't, I want him to bestow some investigations out there. So really the game right now is to vote away a power we think won't be as helpful. I think a switcher has important utility whereas checking spirit animals is not.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 12:46:26 GMT -8
You should probably correct that line of thinking Roy. The part where Crimson thinks that NF could only bestow once per night.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 12:56:03 GMT -8
If we're still working with KK we can always ask him to kill the person we don't vote out. If Xam gets lynched ask him to get Squidy or vice versa. He's speaking towards the vote I made though. I'm voting for Kalor today :x
I think Xam is the only one with potential at the moment to be scum but on the chance he isn't, I want him to bestow some investigations out there. So really the game right now is to vote away a power we think won't be as helpful. I think a switcher has important utility whereas checking spirit animals is not.
Switching may be a bit more useful then animal checker (coppa his idea of making a kind of DIY cop power was pretty smart, but hard to pull off), it can also be misused by scum a lot easier, it is probably the power scum can misuse the best to fuck with town. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:04:48 GMT -8
"I didn't trust Sorian either who I thought was lying, and I didn't see him and Ridli's story co-existing. So I was trying to delay lynching Ridli until we had more proof. Sorian to me seemed more likely to be full of it than Ridli, whose story made more sense." And yet the actual game was even crazier than my made up non-sense Also, me being revived was so crazy. Until the survivor SK can't die  |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 21, 2016 13:10:12 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:13:21 GMT -8
He's speaking towards the vote I made though. I'm voting for Kalor today :x
I think Xam is the only one with potential at the moment to be scum but on the chance he isn't, I want him to bestow some investigations out there. So really the game right now is to vote away a power we think won't be as helpful. I think a switcher has important utility whereas checking spirit animals is not.
Switching may be a bit more useful then animal checker (coppa his idea of making a kind of DIY cop power was pretty smart, but hard to pull off), it can also be misused by scum a lot easier, it is probably the power scum can misuse the best to fuck with town. Was waiting on a clarification from the volcano god before responding to this. So, my main worry is that soul destroy is not a spirit action, meaning you are susceptible to it. If that is the case then we need switching and doctor non-sense to keep you safe. The response I receive is that general rule is that if a ghost does it then that's a spirit action. If a living person does it, then that's not a spirit action. We know that Nin had that command as a ghost, we don't know who else has access to it. I'm of the opinion that Tim got caught on that watcher report trying to soul destroy someone (you and then switched to KK) and because of the way KK's role is our kill and the soul destroy kill are the same to him so both hitting him just caused an overlap. If Tim is using soul destroy then by the logic above that type of soul destroy is not a spirit action. |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 21, 2016 13:16:40 GMT -8
I don't think there's any scum in the afterlife, I agree with getting rid of the least useful but I'm not entirely clear on what that is. on the face of it detecting spirit animals seems like a garbage ability so I can see why kalor is in the running, at the same time generating 4 switches each night is not exactly great either.
an investigation ability is more useful but xam remains the least confirmed player here. also we're getting sk killed every goddamned night so we need something to throw to kk the immortal. as such I would put it at xam and then, yeah, kalor is pretty useless.
the kalor argument has already been made so I won't repeat it (lol spirit animals lol)
VOTE: Kalor
for Roy I gave my switches to cabot and tim, I presume that's partly why cabot was complaining about switchers earlier today.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:18:24 GMT -8
I don't think there's any scum in the afterlife, I agree with getting rid of the least useful but I'm not entirely clear on what that is. on the face of it detecting spirit animals seems like a garbage ability so I can see why kalor is in the running, at the same time generating 4 switches each night is not exactly great either. an investigation ability is more useful but xam remains the least confirmed player here. also we're getting sk killed every goddamned night so we need something to throw to kk the immortal. as such I would put it at xam and then, yeah, kalor is pretty useless. the kalor argument has already been made so I won't repeat it (lol spirit animals lol) VOTE: Kalorfor Roy I gave my switches to cabot and tim, I presume that's partly why cabot was complaining about switchers earlier today. Hmm, that's dangerous if I'm right. |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 21, 2016 13:35:44 GMT -8
I'm not convinced that you are, what makes you believe that czartim was switched or somehow protected from a check when scrafty checked him?
She introduced observant spirit before observant shows up in here as far as I can tell so it seems to me that she had to have had a successful check on an actual observant spirit. Now if we look at who was in the afterlife at that time it doesn't look like anyone particularly suspicious would have been framing or interfering with her check or disguising tim at that time.
Karu had 4 switches out of which kawl got one? I assume you volcano people weren't able to give gifts on night 9
who were the other 3? hopefully karu can go back and check for us.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:45:15 GMT -8
I'm not convinced that you are, what makes you believe that czartim was switched or somehow protected from a check when scrafty checked him? She introduced observant spirit before observant shows up in here as far as I can tell so it seems to me that she had to have had a successful check on an actual observant spirit. Now if we look at who was in the afterlife at that time it doesn't look like anyone particularly suspicious would have been framing or interfering with her check or disguising tim at that time. Karu had 4 switches out of which kawl got one? I assume you volcano people weren't able to give gifts on night 9 who were the other 3? hopefully karu can go back and check for us. It would have had to have been a switch, yes. Both framers were dead that night already. So the main two questions I'd need answer are:
Karu, can you tell us all of your bestows so far?
Xam, when you died, it said you have a voyeur power on you. Did you use anything during the last night phase you were alive?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:47:22 GMT -8
And Roy, tell Kingkitty to kill Xam. I think we are at least in agreement on that point and then really it's just a matter of figuring out whether to drop Kalor because of spirit animal checking or Squidy because of distrust or to eliminate some switching.
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Post by Kalor on Jan 21, 2016 13:53:54 GMT -8
I understand that my power may be seen as useless but we don't know for certain if it is useless. I'm going to vote for Xam since he is the most likely to be scum for me at this moment
Vote: Xamtheking
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 13:57:37 GMT -8
lol no Ty4on. We do not want you lynching town. We have more than enough town.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 21, 2016 14:25:18 GMT -8
Switching may be a bit more useful then animal checker (coppa his idea of making a kind of DIY cop power was pretty smart, but hard to pull off), it can also be misused by scum a lot easier, it is probably the power scum can misuse the best to fuck with town. Was waiting on a clarification from the volcano god before responding to this. So, my main worry is that soul destroy is not a spirit action, meaning you are susceptible to it. If that is the case then we need switching and doctor non-sense to keep you safe. The response I receive is that general rule is that if a ghost does it then that's a spirit action. If a living person does it, then that's not a spirit action. We know that Nin had that command as a ghost, we don't know who else has access to it. I'm of the opinion that Tim got caught on that watcher report trying to soul destroy someone (you and then switched to KK) and because of the way KK's role is our kill and the soul destroy kill are the same to him so both hitting him just caused an overlap. If Tim is using soul destroy then by the logic above that type of soul destroy is not a spirit action. I asked splinter too, and I got the response that the only way I can die is by majority vote. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 14:30:11 GMT -8
Was waiting on a clarification from the volcano god before responding to this. So, my main worry is that soul destroy is not a spirit action, meaning you are susceptible to it. If that is the case then we need switching and doctor non-sense to keep you safe. The response I receive is that general rule is that if a ghost does it then that's a spirit action. If a living person does it, then that's not a spirit action. We know that Nin had that command as a ghost, we don't know who else has access to it. I'm of the opinion that Tim got caught on that watcher report trying to soul destroy someone (you and then switched to KK) and because of the way KK's role is our kill and the soul destroy kill are the same to him so both hitting him just caused an overlap. If Tim is using soul destroy then by the logic above that type of soul destroy is not a spirit action. I asked splinter too, and I got the response that the only way I can die is by majority vote. Hmm, well then I guess that's that. Holding my vote for right now though, regardless of that issue. I would still prefer that Xam get one night phase and it's a tie vote at the moment with Kalor being sent to two first, if I move right now that would make Xam the current front runner instead. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 21, 2016 14:41:00 GMT -8
I see Roy has embraced his inner Rafiki. :p  |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 14:42:05 GMT -8
I see Roy has embraced his inner Rafiki. Can we throw him in the volcano? |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 21, 2016 14:43:36 GMT -8
I'm not convinced that you are, what makes you believe that czartim was switched or somehow protected from a check when scrafty checked him? She introduced observant spirit before observant shows up in here as far as I can tell so it seems to me that she had to have had a successful check on an actual observant spirit. Now if we look at who was in the afterlife at that time it doesn't look like anyone particularly suspicious would have been framing or interfering with her check or disguising tim at that time. Karu had 4 switches out of which kawl got one? I assume you volcano people weren't able to give gifts on night 9 who were the other 3? hopefully karu can go back and check for us. It would have had to have been a switch, yes. Both framers were dead that night already. So the main two questions I'd need answer are:
Karu, can you tell us all of your bestows so far?
Xam, when you died, it said you have a voyeur power on you. Did you use anything during the last night phase you were alive?
I was not able to use the power I recieved |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 21, 2016 14:45:08 GMT -8
It would have had to have been a switch, yes. Both framers were dead that night already. So the main two questions I'd need answer are:
Karu, can you tell us all of your bestows so far?
Xam, when you died, it said you have a voyeur power on you. Did you use anything during the last night phase you were alive?
I was not able to use the power I recieved Well, what I'm asking is. Was that voyeur power the only thing you've had? Or did you use something from an earlier night? |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 21, 2016 14:46:53 GMT -8
Would anyone prefer it if I died without using my power to get my flip earlier? I know loss of utility, but it might help get the rest of you going a little bit faster
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