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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 2:06:02 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. Well, what info did you lie about to catch Ridli in his lie? I guess I can now answer this: A) The offer didn't include the power or the disadvantages, just "you will get a very important power but it will have disadvantages" (paraphrased of course, it is still a mod pm). The information about my medium power and the disadvantages were only revealed in the follow up pm after i accepted. B) I actually have three disadvantages: Miller, dying, and I am not effected by you guys ghost powers. I can't be bestowed, and any direct power will also not work on me. The only exception on this rule (as far as i know) is the night vote, I can be killed by that. The reason I kept it from you guys for now was that, like i already said, my pm hinted at there being infiltrators here. I didn't know how night kills would work, and after the whole Ridli situation and L_P flip I realized scum pretty much knew who I was. So I was very afraid of getting targeted by scum last night, and anyone with a protect bestow wouldn't be able to protect me yet. I decided to keep the whole |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 2:11:31 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. Well, what info did you lie about to catch Ridli in his lie? I guess I can now answer this: A) The offer didn't include the power or the disadvantages, just "you will get a very important power but it will have disadvantages" (paraphrased of course, it is still a mod pm). The information about my medium power and the disadvantages were only revealed in the follow up pm after i accepted. B) I actually have three disadvantages: Miller, dying, and I am not effected by you guys ghost powers. I can't be bestowed, and any direct power will also not work on me. The only exception on this rule (as far as i know) is the night vote, I can be killed by that. The reason I kept it from you guys for now was that, like i already said, my pm hinted at there being infiltrators here. I didn't know how night kills would work, and after the whole Ridli situation and L_P flip I realized scum pretty much knew who I was. So I was very afraid of getting targeted by scum last night, and anyone with a protect bestow wouldn't be able to protect me yet. I decided to keep the whole "not being affected by ghost powers" bit hidden and ask for direct protects, hoping scum would think I was being protected for sure, and not target me. I really thought that was my best shot at surviving the night. However, now that bestow protects are in play and judging from only Sorian dying in the night, scum probably doesn't have a island kill, I think it is safe to come clean about this. I am sorry if I wasted any powers because of this, but it was for a good cause. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 4:00:11 GMT -8
Thank god, hopefully today is more productive now. You should have put in my salty line to Darryl, it makes it more believable that you are talking to me  |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 15, 2016 4:00:33 GMT -8
I can't remember where this discussion started, but just to confirm:
ridli is NOT being mod killed / replaced
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 4:01:59 GMT -8
I can't remember where this discussion started, but just to confirm:
ridli is NOT being mod killed / replacedlololol -------- Anyway, Roy, you should also tell them that our theory is whoever died day 1 was going to flip as "The Outsider", it was a necessity so that this thread had an excuse to have a bunch of fresh players by morning. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 4:51:15 GMT -8
BTW, person that gave away heal powers: don't say who you are. Scum could have a roleblocker or something similar, and even though they seem to have no direct night kill, they may have other ways to try and kill me tonight. So keep scum guessing who has what. (other people also don't claim which powers you gave, that will only make it easier for scum to guess).
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 4:56:50 GMT -8
BTW, person that gave away heal powers: don't say who you are. Scum could have a roleblocker or something similar, and even though they seem to have no direct night kill, they may have other ways to try and kill me tonight. So keep scum guessing who has what. (other people also don't claim which powers you gave, that will only make it easier for scum to guess). By the way, I missed it, do we actually have proof that anyone gave away healing powers? They seem like they are unneeded this game. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 4:57:30 GMT -8
Oh or are you just going off of the sample PM? Meh, that doesn't mean it's a real role.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 5:03:03 GMT -8
BTW, person that gave away heal powers: don't say who you are. Scum could have a roleblocker or something similar, and even though they seem to have no direct night kill, they may have other ways to try and kill me tonight. So keep scum guessing who has what. (other people also don't claim which powers you gave, that will only make it easier for scum to guess). By the way, I missed it, do we actually have proof that anyone gave away healing powers? They seem like they are unneeded this game. It's a guess. Having only two kills every cycle on the island seems....low? So I assume there are other ways for people on the island to die. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 5:05:45 GMT -8
By the way, I missed it, do we actually have proof that anyone gave away healing powers? They seem like they are unneeded this game. It's a guess. Having only two kills every cycle on the island seems....low? So I assume there are other ways for people on the island to die. I'll admit, I could consider that scum have an x-shot PR that allows them to island kill. I'm just surprised no one used it last night since they had L_P get banished yesterday and Ridli got sent down here.
Though another theory is one of the scum has an afterlife PR that allows them to island kill. That's more of a possibility.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 5:08:07 GMT -8
I'm curious of what corn and Darryl's reactions to you will be. Not because it'll provide a read because I think both are town for one reason or another but because I think both reactions will amuse me.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 5:22:31 GMT -8
I'm curious of what corn and Darryl's reactions to you will be. Not because it'll provide a read because I think both are town for one reason or another but because I think both reactions will amuse me. Darryl got loaded with bestow powers though, at least 3. I guess it is the kitty avatar? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 5:28:43 GMT -8
I'm curious of what corn and Darryl's reactions to you will be. Not because it'll provide a read because I think both are town for one reason or another but because I think both reactions will amuse me. Darryl got loaded with bestow powers though, at least 3. I guess it is the kitty avatar? People think I'm bad which painted Darryl in a good light
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 5:48:48 GMT -8
 Hey guys, did Darryl arrive yet? No? Oh okay, I will be back hiding behind this log. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 5:49:33 GMT -8
Hey guys, did Darryl arrive yet? No? Oh okay, I will be back hiding behind this log. Have fun with that!
The perks of being dead.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 6:06:25 GMT -8
Am I the only one that gets the feeling Dusk is barely reading the thread?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:11:39 GMT -8
No, I was just about to come over here and say that his post confuses me. He accuses me (and others) for blending but then says that we are voting indiscriminately which insinuates that we are just changing randomly and often. That's not blending, voting a lot draws attention to yourself. Could you ask him to clarify a bit more because that read like someone posting for the sake of posting (doubt he shows back up to answer you).
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:12:57 GMT -8
And that second post, what?
He just gave the exact reason why islanders should be trying to send scum down here and not their own. Anyone trying to actively send town down here is scummy as fuck.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:17:39 GMT -8
Can we talk about one thing I'm little bit confused about though. Let's look at scum's win condition (I assume it's ok to direct quote an already flipped PM?)
"Kill everyone to destroy the Volcano God (and win)."
Does that mean they have to be killed too? It sounds like scum wins when the Island thread is literally empty but that would mean scum has to be down here too. But the implication of that win condition confuses me. I guess we, down here, can't vote no lynch either so one man standing up there would still be killed by us but it seems like scum has a long way to go if it is only one day lynch and one NK by us the entire time which I know you addressed already Roy.
I guess my question is, is that right, scum wins when the island thread is empty?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:20:37 GMT -8
Also, Roy, what are your thoughts on my theory that everyone is an ordinary on the island and everyone has a PR down here? Cabot's latest post about saying how Zipped having a PR down here was a good thing made me think that the islanders might gain from hearing my theory? Up to you though. I assume you, too, were ordinary before you became the medium?
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 6:23:07 GMT -8
And that second post, what? He just gave the exact reason why islanders should be trying to send scum down here and not their own. Anyone trying to actively send town down here is scummy as fuck. Actually, he has kind of a point. A large scum majority here is bad, very VERY BAD. If they control the afterlife, they win, since there would be no way for us to banish them. Island town could literally have killed all the scum, but if scum has a majority here, scum can't be banished and just peck away at the islanders with the night vote they now control. We are good for now since we already banished 2 (soon to be 3) scum, but trying to get townies here to avoid that situation can become necessary. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:36:50 GMT -8
And that second post, what? He just gave the exact reason why islanders should be trying to send scum down here and not their own. Anyone trying to actively send town down here is scummy as fuck. Actually, he has kind of a point. A large scum majority here is bad, very VERY BAD. If they control the afterlife, they win, since there would be no way for us to banish them. Island town could literally have killed all the scum, but if scum has a majority here, scum can't be banished and just peck away at the islanders with the night vote they now control. We are good for now since we already banished 2 (soon to be 3) scum, but trying to get townies here to avoid that situation can become necessary. I 100% agree with cabot now that the volcano deaths were not random. The actual players chosen might have been but I think it had to be x number of scum, x number of town, and x number of neutrals if there are neutrals in this game.
9 people came down here (Zipped doesn't count for this because the Island chose him, not Splinter). So pretend it's just a game of mafia with 9 people. 2 scum out of 9 would be 22%, perfect balance for a mafia game. I'm willing to bet good money that L_P and Blarg were the only scum down here from the volcano incident. 3 scum would be 33%, ridiculous, and obviously there wasn't only 1. Of the remaining 7, if there is a neutral, it would just be one person.
Let's take it a step further to address Dusk's concern. Let's do the math for all worst case scenarios against town. The first bad thing would have been if Zipped was scum. That means the afterlife starts playing at day 10 with 3 scum vs. 7 non-scum. Let's say day 10 had you guys banishing a good guy and night 10 had scum banishing one good guy, this vig/sk ghost banishing one good guy, and the ghosts voting to kill one scum from the island. That puts day 11 at 4 scum vs. 5 non-scum. Assuming worst case scenarios again, scum is winning by day 12 down here. That seems.......unlikely? There must be some other balance we don't know of. Being able to get majority and win down here with only two day phases (since day 9/night 9 were moot down here) would not have passed anyone's check of this game (I'd hope). That's also ignoring the fact that the islanders would be punished for killing scum. Eh, I don't know. I stand by my math above though with the 9 people = 2 scum theory.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:39:50 GMT -8
Dusk is reminding me of Ridli again. This is weird, it's like Dusk is always one day behind whatever was up with Ridli.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 6:45:12 GMT -8
Actually, he has kind of a point. A large scum majority here is bad, very VERY BAD. If they control the afterlife, they win, since there would be no way for us to banish them. Island town could literally have killed all the scum, but if scum has a majority here, scum can't be banished and just peck away at the islanders with the night vote they now control. We are good for now since we already banished 2 (soon to be 3) scum, but trying to get townies here to avoid that situation can become necessary. I 100% agree with cabot now that the volcano deaths were not random. The actual players chosen might have been but I think it had to be x number of scum, x number of town, and x number of neutrals if there are neutrals in this game.
9 people came down here (Zipped doesn't count for this because the Island chose him, not Splinter). So pretend it's just a game of mafia with 9 people. 2 scum out of 9 would be 22%, perfect balance for a mafia game. I'm willing to bet good money that L_P and Blarg were the only scum down here from the volcano incident. 3 scum would be 33%, ridiculous, and obviously there wasn't only 1. Of the remaining 7, if there is a neutral, it would just be one person.
Let's take it a step further to address Dusk's concern. Let's do the math for all worst case scenarios against town. The first bad thing would have been if Zipped was scum. That means the afterlife starts playing at day 10 with 3 scum vs. 7 non-scum. Let's say day 10 had you guys banishing a good guy and night 10 had scum banishing one good guy, this vig/sk ghost banishing one good guy, and the ghosts voting to kill one scum from the island. That puts day 11 at 4 scum vs. 5 non-scum. Assuming worst case scenarios again, scum is winning by day 12 down here. That seems.......unlikely? There must be some other balance we don't know of. Being able to get majority and win down here with only two day phases (since day 9/night 9 were moot down here) would not have passed anyone's check of this game (I'd hope). That's also ignoring the fact that the islanders would be punished for killing scum. Eh, I don't know. I stand by my math above though with the 9 people = 2 scum theory.
I agree with this math, and I think it is unlikely anyone else of the volcano deaths will be scum, 3 scum would have made it way to easy to break the game super quickly. But I do agree with dusk that we should keep an eye on scum majority here to avoid it. It's not a problem right now, but could become later. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 15, 2016 6:45:15 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 6:53:53 GMT -8
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Post by Splinter on Jan 15, 2016 7:19:29 GMT -8
Ok that's enough of that.
ridli/Sorian save it for post-game please
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 15, 2016 7:22:08 GMT -8
Wait, I missed a fight?  |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 15, 2016 7:24:18 GMT -8
How quickly people seemed to forget that no lynch is not an option.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 15, 2016 7:25:44 GMT -8
Ok no harm done I think, carry on ^^  |
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