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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:19:09 GMT -8
I'm going to hate this answer. Did Zipped say who he bestowed last night? He did not, no. No one has said who they bestowed last night unless I missed something. Hmmm, that's a fair point. Would scum still risk that though? They have to be lynched twice effectively, this would expedite that process by skipping the first lynch. My reading skills are failing me for a moment something something Pool or Gym, what is Scum risking? Risking accepting that medium power. It's obvious that Ridli never received the offer anyway thanks to Roy's gambit but even if he had, scum wouldn't risk dying once over being a medium.
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Is there a reason why people shouldn't claim who they bestowed power on if they have the power to bestow? Scum doesn't seem to be capable of killing people on the island except through lynch and we don't have to say WHAT power we gave, just who we gave it to. If we get banished and flipped then you'll know what powers that living player has now. As it is, we have no clue who is a real investigator up there and we'll never know.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:25:28 GMT -8
He did not, no. No one has said who they bestowed last night unless I missed something. My reading skills are failing me for a moment something something Pool or Gym, what is Scum risking? Risking accepting that medium power. It's obvious that Ridli never received the offer anyway thanks to Roy's gambit but even if he had, scum wouldn't risk dying once over being a medium.
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Is there a reason why people shouldn't claim who they bestowed power on if they have the power to bestow? Scum doesn't seem to be capable of killing people on the island except through lynch and we don't have to say WHAT power we gave, just who we gave it to. If we get banished and flipped then you'll know what powers that living player has now. As it is, we have no clue who is a real investigator up there and we'll never know.
Ah okay, thank you for clarifying. I speculated as much earlier when Roy appeared and gave the negative conditions to the PR. It wouldn't make sense for Scum to accept any kind of roll with a death timer on it, especially early on in the game. However, Roy is also lying about something involving his PR so I'm curious to know what that is. If I had to guess it would be the Miller aspect. We weren't sure how the Scum kills worked so everyone was keeping their Bestow list and Spirit Animals secret until we had something to go off of. Now that we know Scum can't actively kill in the main thread ( unless some PR shenanigans happened and a kill was blocked ) I see no issue with that. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:25:40 GMT -8
Mazre asked me a question, you can feel free to answer him when you claim Roy:
Also on the off chance that cornb's 'theory' is correct, limbo people ask Sorian why a scum flip for ridli would in any way clear Crimson or myself, especially under the assumption of multiple scum teams.
I mean, first off tell them that I am full of shit on the multiple scum team fronts, that could be true but I don't know it at all. I was hoping when my obvious death came they'd know I was lying but that doesn't seem to be the case in this game. As for the question, Crimson went in hard on Ridli first on day 2, no prior coaxing, nothing. Ridli was relatively safe day 1 so teammates wouldn't have been getting a bus ready. If you look at day 1 compared to day 2, Ridli was literally the biggest swing vote possible. Crimson is not aligned with Ridli.
Mazre is for a different reason. Ridli's reads list was worthless, at least most of it was. Mazre's entry was the only interesting point and Mazre tore it apart later: gafia.boards.net/post/18510
It was full of a lot of misinformation that only Mazre would have noticed, most other players would have read it and since it was fairly vague, just kind of taken it at face value. I think Ridli was setting up an early lynch of Mazre if he ever got the chance down the road.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:27:06 GMT -8
Risking accepting that medium power. It's obvious that Ridli never received the offer anyway thanks to Roy's gambit but even if he had, scum wouldn't risk dying once over being a medium.
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Is there a reason why people shouldn't claim who they bestowed power on if they have the power to bestow? Scum doesn't seem to be capable of killing people on the island except through lynch and we don't have to say WHAT power we gave, just who we gave it to. If we get banished and flipped then you'll know what powers that living player has now. As it is, we have no clue who is a real investigator up there and we'll never know.
Ah okay, thank you for clarifying. I speculated as much earlier when Roy appeared and gave the negative conditions to the PR. It wouldn't make sense for Scum to accept any kind of roll with a death timer on it, especially early on in the game. However, Roy is also lying about something involving his PR so I'm curious to know what that is. If I had to guess it would be the Miller aspect. We weren't sure how the Scum kills worked so everyone was keeping their Bestow list and Spirit Animals secret until we had something to go off of. Now that we know Scum can't actively kill in the main thread ( unless some PR shenanigans happened and a kill was blocked ) I see no issue with that.You guys had L_P's flip though? It's pretty much spelled out there. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 14, 2016 15:28:55 GMT -8
Really going to bed now. Will claim tomorrow so things I want opinions on:
- I probably should ignore the point about ridli being scum, right?
- should I add the dying part, or leave it out?
-anything else?
Having some bestow names could help me, but it's up to you to decide that.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:34:46 GMT -8
Really going to bed now. Will claim tomorrow so things I want opinions on: - I probably should ignore the point about ridli being scum, right? - should I add the dying part, or leave it out? -anything else? Having some bestow names could help me, but it's up to you to decide that. People should 100% tell you who they bestowed. That's your proof. Scum doesn't seem capable of killing anyone on the island, maybe they have like a single shot or something with a special PR but I think we can handle that hit, reveal who got bestowed. Again, no reason to say what they were bestowed with unless you get a lot of pushback. Add in the dying part, it only gives more validity, my theory is your flip will show. Up to you if you want to tell them Ridli was scum, we don't actually know that for fact yet though it's becoming even more obvious. If you do tell them about Ridli, tell Darryl that I was really scum hunting. Just my personal touch. |
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Post by neverforever on Jan 14, 2016 15:36:41 GMT -8
I bestowed Tracking upon Roy and Darryl/Bombay
my Spirit Animal is the beautiful Butterfly
personally, I'm convinced that these powers and the spirit animals are just meaningless guff, we're the ones who NK Islanders and although obviously we've only had one night and it's impossible to say for certain, as we don't know what everyone Bestows, I'm inclined to think that there's no way that these powers will assist with scumhunting on the Island as scum can't act on the Islanders, only on those of us in the Afterlife
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:41:13 GMT -8
Ah okay, thank you for clarifying. I speculated as much earlier when Roy appeared and gave the negative conditions to the PR. It wouldn't make sense for Scum to accept any kind of roll with a death timer on it, especially early on in the game. However, Roy is also lying about something involving his PR so I'm curious to know what that is. If I had to guess it would be the Miller aspect. We weren't sure how the Scum kills worked so everyone was keeping their Bestow list and Spirit Animals secret until we had something to go off of. Now that we know Scum can't actively kill in the main thread ( unless some PR shenanigans happened and a kill was blocked ) I see no issue with that.You guys had L_P's flip though? It's pretty much spelled out there. L_P flipped only yesterday and we took the 24 hour Night phase to try and figure out who to kill. I also believed it might be possible Scum could still have other abilities that allowed them to kill at Night and I wanted to wait and see how many people died at the start of the Day to test that theory. Really going to bed now. Will claim tomorrow so things I want opinions on: - I probably should ignore the point about ridli being scum, right? - should I add the dying part, or leave it out? -anything else? Having some bestow names could help me, but it's up to you to decide that. -If you fully believe Ridli is Scum then I say go for it, also add in L_P and Blarg flipping as was and what Scum's win condition is ( kill all living players ) vs Town's ( banish all evil spirits ) -Ridli already talked about the negative downsides to the role so adding that will add validity. -Bestow Names: Ty4on and Bombay/Darryl |
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jan 14, 2016 15:43:58 GMT -8
Really going to bed now. Will claim tomorrow so things I want opinions on: - I probably should ignore the point about ridli being scum, right? - should I add the dying part, or leave it out? -anything else? Having some bestow names could help me, but it's up to you to decide that. I'll give you my bestow names. Terrabyte20xx and Scrafty. |
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Post by Swamped on Jan 14, 2016 15:44:18 GMT -8
I bestowed Kawl and Ty
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 14, 2016 15:44:41 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:45:43 GMT -8
I bestowed Tracking upon Roy and Darryl/Bombay my Spirit Animal is the beautiful Butterfly personally, I'm convinced that these powers and the spirit animals are just meaningless guff, we're the ones who NK Islanders and although obviously we've only had one night and it's impossible to say for certain, as we don't know what everyone Bestows, I'm inclined to think that there's no way that these powers will assist with scumhunting on the Island as scum can't act on the Islanders, only on those of us in the Afterlife Hmm, you and I bestow the same power, interesting.
L_P flipped only yesterday and we took the 24 hour Night phase to try and figure out who to kill. I also believed it might be possible Scum could still have other abilities that allowed them to kill at Night and I wanted to wait and see how many people died at the start of the Day to test that theory. -If you fully believe Ridli is Scum then I say go for it, also add in L_P and Blarg flipping as was and what Scum's win condition is ( kill all living players ) vs Town's ( banish all evil spirits ) -Ridli already talked about the negative downsides to the role so adding that will add validity. -Bestow Names: Ty4on and Bombay/Darryl
But the night phase is when you send the bestow commands right? Nothing stopped you from saying what you were doing while voting me down here. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just trying to figure out if I'm missing something on the timing. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:46:00 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. Well, what info did you lie about to catch Ridli in his lie? |
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Post by MagnumBoy20xx on Jan 14, 2016 15:46:21 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. but did ridli mention the quote copying and pasting? If not, use that as a way of confirming your claim. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:46:56 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. You die tonight anyway, they aren't going to lynch you thinking you are scum if you die tonight automatically, they'll just wait and see what happens. When you die, they will just retroactively know you were telling the truth if there are doubts. |
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Post by Swamped on Jan 14, 2016 15:47:06 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. They'll know you were telling the truth over you flip, which is soon enough. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:48:08 GMT -8
L_P flipped only yesterday and we took the 24 hour Night phase to try and figure out who to kill. I also believed it might be possible Scum could still have other abilities that allowed them to kill at Night and I wanted to wait and see how many people died at the start of the Day to test that theory. -If you fully believe Ridli is Scum then I say go for it, also add in L_P and Blarg flipping as was and what Scum's win condition is ( kill all living players ) vs Town's ( banish all evil spirits ) -Ridli already talked about the negative downsides to the role so adding that will add validity. -Bestow Names: Ty4on and Bombay/Darryl
But the night phase is when you send the bestow commands right? Nothing stopped you from saying what you were doing while voting me down here. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just trying to figure out if I'm missing something on the timing. Correct. There was nothing stopping us from talking about it but nobody really brought it up and general discussion had slowed down anyway. To be honest I hadn't given much thought about it because I was waiting for the Day to start. |
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Post by karu on Jan 14, 2016 15:49:59 GMT -8
(Sleep not happening right now, omg)
I also bestowed Ty and Kawl.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:50:05 GMT -8
Wouldn't outing ridli lower the validity of me knowing bestow powers? If ridli knew about my role through scum communicating, I could have this bestow info as scum the same way. You die tonight anyway, they aren't going to lynch you thinking you are scum if you die tonight automatically, they'll just wait and see what happens. When you die, they will just retroactively know you were telling the truth if there are doubts. Unless my math is wrong then Roy dies the following Night, no? Night 1 ( becomes Medium, dies in 3 Days time ) -> Night 2 ( 2 days left. We are here. ) -> Night 3 ( 1 Day left ) - > Night 4 ( dead ) ? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:51:54 GMT -8
You die tonight anyway, they aren't going to lynch you thinking you are scum if you die tonight automatically, they'll just wait and see what happens. When you die, they will just retroactively know you were telling the truth if there are doubts. Unless my math is wrong then Roy dies the following Night, no? Night 1 ( becomes Medium, dies in 3 Days time ) -> Night 2 ( 2 days left. We are here. ) -> Night 3 ( 1 Day left ) - > Night 4 ( dead ) ? .....Math isn't my strong suit. I had been saying tonight and no one corrected me >_> Just to be clear since Roy would know for sure, you die tonight or tomorrow night? |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 14, 2016 15:53:14 GMT -8
Unless my math is wrong then Roy dies the following Night, no? Night 1 ( becomes Medium, dies in 3 Days time ) -> Night 2 ( 2 days left. We are here. ) -> Night 3 ( 1 Day left ) - > Night 4 ( dead ) ? .....Math isn't my strong suit. I had been saying tonight and no one corrected me >_> Just to be clear since Roy would know for sure, you die tonight or tomorrow night? I think I was pretty clear: Harry Potter scum team is the best scum team? I am not your monkey Roy. (El Topo sucks!) I will accept both these answers! First of all, sorry about all that, but seeing you guys being all confused was just waaay to much fun X) So, a formal introduction is in order: Hi, I am Roytheone, and I will be your medium for the coming days! I hope you will be satisfied with my services! I also saw zipped post that his ordinary town theory is now out the window. Well, actually, no. I was an ordinary town on day 1. However, last night I was visited by the volcano god himself, and he offered me a choice: He could make me a medium, but with two caveats: 1) I would become a Miller 2) I will die after three days (so at the end of day 12) If I had refused the deal, it would have been offered to another player the following night. Clearly, I didn't refuse  |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:53:27 GMT -8
No one seems to have bestowed Corn but he hit this game on the nose lol poor guy. I don't think scum would be putting on this much of a show.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:54:49 GMT -8
.....Math isn't my strong suit. I had been saying tonight and no one corrected me >_> Just to be clear since Roy would know for sure, you die tonight or tomorrow night? I think I was pretty clear: I will accept both these answers! First of all, sorry about all that, but seeing you guys being all confused was just waaay to much fun X) So, a formal introduction is in order: Hi, I am Roytheone, and I will be your medium for the coming days! I hope you will be satisfied with my services! I also saw zipped post that his ordinary town theory is now out the window. Well, actually, no. I was an ordinary town on day 1. However, last night I was visited by the volcano god himself, and he offered me a choice: He could make me a medium, but with two caveats: 1) I would become a Miller 2) I will die after three days (so at the end of day 12) If I had refused the deal, it would have been offered to another player the following night. Clearly, I didn't refuse :) Reading isn't our strong suit. :p |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 15:54:57 GMT -8
.....Math isn't my strong suit. I had been saying tonight and no one corrected me >_> Just to be clear since Roy would know for sure, you die tonight or tomorrow night? I think I was pretty clear: I will accept both these answers! First of all, sorry about all that, but seeing you guys being all confused was just waaay to much fun X) So, a formal introduction is in order: Hi, I am Roytheone, and I will be your medium for the coming days! I hope you will be satisfied with my services! I also saw zipped post that his ordinary town theory is now out the window. Well, actually, no. I was an ordinary town on day 1. However, last night I was visited by the volcano god himself, and he offered me a choice: He could make me a medium, but with two caveats: 1) I would become a Miller 2) I will die after three days (so at the end of day 12) If I had refused the deal, it would have been offered to another player the following night. Clearly, I didn't refuse Well excuse me  I still think you should claim with the bestowed people, whether they want to believe you or not, it's better they have the information to do what they can up there. |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 14, 2016 15:56:42 GMT -8
No one seems to have bestowed Corn but he hit this game on the nose lol poor guy. I don't think scum would be putting on this much of a show. Yeah, poor guy is Town. He usually builds a lot of his scum hunting on flips but since he isn't getting any he has no clue what to do, hence the giving up melting down we are seeing. The fact that he nailed the premise of the game is amusing though. Can't wait to see his reaction once he realizes he was right lol. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 18:57:36 GMT -8
I feel like corn and Scrafty are the only two who make any sense in this game.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 19:14:33 GMT -8
And I don't know if Darryl is just delusional or scum. I would assume delusional since scum would know that flips are happening in here.
Speaking of, I wonder if scum can just straight up see this thread or if they have to rely on their "dead" members to see what's up in here. I assume it's the second but that sounds annoying being the relay point lol
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Post by Sorian on Jan 14, 2016 19:29:49 GMT -8
Oh ok, one of you did buff Scrafty last night, that explains that then.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 14, 2016 19:47:31 GMT -8
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Post by Kalor on Jan 15, 2016 0:03:47 GMT -8
I bestowed Coppa and Darryl last night.
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I still think you should claim with the bestowed people, whether they want to believe you or not, it's better they have the information to do what they can up there.