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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 13:04:56 GMT -8
I'm not sure Hyper, I hope you tell us because it was probably the worst claim ever. It's great that you are getting lynched because apparently that does something with your PR but there was so much potential for this to go wrong. Hell, I would have ended you on day 2 with no ceremony and the only reason I died was because you wanted to kill the player Sorian, not the PR that I hinted at multiple times. Why? Because we have 0 fucking protection against cops, that's why. I expected a weak cop, because scum have fuck all to protect themselves. Actually no, we have RNGesus, but you can see how well that works out |
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 13:06:02 GMT -8
I don't regret saving Xam, don't want to go out like wimps
This game is just going to come down to stackpoleh's power (1-shot) and pop-o-mattic surviving
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 13:10:39 GMT -8
I'm not sure Hyper, I hope you tell us because it was probably the worst claim ever. It's great that you are getting lynched because apparently that does something with your PR but there was so much potential for this to go wrong. Hell, I would have ended you on day 2 with no ceremony and the only reason I died was because you wanted to kill the player Sorian, not the PR that I hinted at multiple times. Why? Because we have 0 fucking protection against cops, that's why. I expected a weak cop, because scum have fuck all to protect themselves. Actually no, we have RNGesus, but you can see how well that works out Having 0 defense against something doesn't mean it's not in the game. The cop claim was 100% a fuck up. It auto numbered your days and was only going to pay-off if there was a weird combination of the real cop surviving for way too long and them being to scared to counter claim you. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 28, 2015 13:13:55 GMT -8
I'm not sure Hyper, I hope you tell us because it was probably the worst claim ever. It's great that you are getting lynched because apparently that does something with your PR but there was so much potential for this to go wrong. Hell, I would have ended you on day 2 with no ceremony and the only reason I died was because you wanted to kill the player Sorian, not the PR that I hinted at multiple times. Why? Because we have 0 fucking protection against cops, that's why. I expected a weak cop, because scum have fuck all to protect themselves. Actually no, we have RNGesus, but you can see how well that works out Did you forget HP already Hyper? Our only protecting against cops was a 1 shot switcher and a role blocker (and in order for a blocker to work you need to find the cop first), and yet town had like 10 roles that could find scum..... (And yes, I think using the HP game as some kind of comparison is probably not the best idea  |
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 13:30:10 GMT -8
Why? Because we have 0 fucking protection against cops, that's why. I expected a weak cop, because scum have fuck all to protect themselves. Actually no, we have RNGesus, but you can see how well that works out Did you forget HP already Hyper? Our only protecting against cops was a 1 shot switcher and a role blocker (and in order for a blocker to work you need to find the cop first), and yet town had like 10 roles that could find scum..... (And yes, I think using the HP game as some kind of comparison is probably not the best idea We at least had numbers, a roleblocker, 1-switch, and a godfather. It was decent protection. Why? Because we have 0 fucking protection against cops, that's why. I expected a weak cop, because scum have fuck all to protect themselves. Actually no, we have RNGesus, but you can see how well that works out Having 0 defense against something doesn't mean it's not in the game. The cop claim was 100% a fuck up. It auto numbered your days and was only going to pay-off if there was a weird combination of the real cop surviving for way too long and them being to scared to counter claim you. No, I was basing it off of Election, which was similar in how we had no protection (Well there waaas bspp, who I guess was a godfather). That game had a 50% cop and 1-shot day cop. If scum are going to get RNGesus as their one protection against a cop, they should feel comfortable in knowing that the cop is nerfed. Coming into night 1, I had 0 expectations of there being a full-fledged cop. We had next to nothing against it. And even if not so, I HAD to save xam, because the game was designed in such a way that as soon as he died, scum team could collapse in a situation where the doctor protected a claimed cop |
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 13:40:06 GMT -8
Having 0 defense against something doesn't mean it's not in the game. The cop claim was 100% a fuck up. It auto numbered your days and was only going to pay-off if there was a weird combination of the real cop surviving for way too long and them being to scared to counter claim you. No, I was basing it off of Election, which was similar in how we had no protection (Well there waaas bspp, who I guess was a godfather). That game had a 50% cop and 1-shot day cop. If scum are going to get RNGesus as their one protection against a cop, they should feel comfortable in knowing that the cop is nerfed. Coming into night 1, I had 0 expectations of there being a full-fledged cop. We had next to nothing against it. And even if not so, I HAD to save xam, because the game was designed in such a way that as soon as he died, scum team could collapse in a situation where the doctor protected a claimed cop It was a high risk, low reward claim either way though. The second Xam flipped, you were done. If a real cop was in the game and flipped, you were done. If you guessed a neutral incorrectly as town, you were probably done. If you didn't sell out a teammate eventually, you were done. Unless the game had two doctors (never put two doctors in your game by the way unless one is a back-up), then losing your strongman wasn't a huge loss. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 28, 2015 13:43:30 GMT -8
Honestly, after HP I would be hesitant to base a fake role claim on what I think is balanced and what is not.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 13:58:11 GMT -8
No, I was basing it off of Election, which was similar in how we had no protection (Well there waaas bspp, who I guess was a godfather). That game had a 50% cop and 1-shot day cop. If scum are going to get RNGesus as their one protection against a cop, they should feel comfortable in knowing that the cop is nerfed. Coming into night 1, I had 0 expectations of there being a full-fledged cop. We had next to nothing against it. And even if not so, I HAD to save xam, because the game was designed in such a way that as soon as he died, scum team could collapse in a situation where the doctor protected a claimed cop It was a high risk, low reward claim either way though. The second Xam flipped, you were done. If a real cop was in the game and flipped, you were done. If you guessed a neutral incorrectly as town, you were probably done. If you didn't sell out a teammate eventually, you were done. Unless the game had two doctors (never put two doctors in your game by the way unless one is a back-up), then losing your strongman wasn't a huge loss. You're misunderstanding my intention.I never expected to last past day 4. I was well aware of that. It's the presence of the cop itself that annoys me Honestly, after HP I would be hesitant to base a fake role claim on what I think is balanced and what is not. It's my mistake entirely, I'll agree to this |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 28, 2015 14:47:56 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 14:51:35 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall. Hey Scrafty,
Cecil is an x-shot vig.
Solve for x pls?
How many more shots? If there is some cap to him |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 28, 2015 15:01:27 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall. Don't be too hard on him scrafty, all of us HP scum team members are hyper sensitive now about any kind of potential unbalance  |
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 15:09:49 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall. Don't be too hard on him scrafty, all of us HP scum team members are hyper sensitive now about any kind of potential unbalance Ohoho, I see what you did there!
But for real, I think you can assume any game you go into has the thought of balance behind it, especially a game with a rating of a 6. HP was kind of marketed as a role madness crazy train. I think it was a good experiment for our community and I would like another role madness type game but I think it needs to be a smaller affair.
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Post by Burbeting on Dec 28, 2015 15:09:59 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall. Don't be too hard on him scrafty, all of us HP scum team members are hyper sensitive now about any kind of potential unbalance Trigger Warning: Unbalanced |
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 28, 2015 15:45:04 GMT -8
Cop really wasn't that big of a deal, Hyper. In fact, going into the game, some people were concerned that scum was too powerful so I buffed Cecil and Zidane's powers to make them more useful to town. You guys had the benefit of the only doctor being a miller as well, so please don't try to spin the game as being anarchically unbalanced cuz I think things are pretty fair overall. Hey Scrafty,
Cecil is an x-shot vig.
Solve for x pls?
How many more shots? If there is some cap to him 2 shots, IIRC. BUT he can do something else too. |
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 15:45:58 GMT -8
Scrafty messaged me already, I got the low down. I actually just know he is a 2-shot, I didn't want to spoil the surprise of whatever his other thing is |
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 28, 2015 15:47:37 GMT -8
Don't be too hard on him scrafty, all of us HP scum team members are hyper sensitive now about any kind of potential unbalance :( Ohoho, I see what you did there!
But for real, I think you can assume any game you go into has the thought of balance behind it, especially a game with a rating of a 6. HP was kind of marketed as a role madness crazy train. I think it was a good experiment for our community and I would like another role madness type game but I think it needs to be a smaller affair.
There's will most likely always be questions of balance. It's simply too hard to conceive every possible scenario that will happen in game. One man's windfall is another man's "unbalanced." That's not to say things cannot be unbalanced, but we do try to take as much as possible into account. |
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Post by xamtheking on Dec 28, 2015 16:08:30 GMT -8
The only perfectly balanced game is Heist
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 16:54:30 GMT -8
The only perfectly balanced game is Heist Bet you five dollars someone will say after the game is done that scum team was either too big or too small. |
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Dec 28, 2015 17:53:13 GMT -8
The truth about pure vanilla mafia: on the web, the mafia win %99.9 of the time.
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Post by yn on Dec 28, 2015 18:29:10 GMT -8
towns have been cleaning up this season though :>
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 20:52:27 GMT -8
Sorry guys...
Got a little frustrated, shouldn't have acted like a bitch.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 20:54:03 GMT -8
The only perfectly balanced game is Heist Honestly, I'm going to disagree, as say the cop, doctor vs roleblocker (3 scum total) set-up is probably the actual winner of that award Hey Scrafty, have Blarg impersonate you tomorrow I wanna see what happens XD |
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 20:55:16 GMT -8
Also Launch is SOOOO dead
Deader than dead. Dead dead dead. Town will CANNABALIZE him. He's SOOOO DEAD. He's probably gonna be lynched tomorrow. SOOOO DEAD.
My explicit instructions to my teammates for yesterday was to stay the hell away from anything and everything I do
Btw, had it not been for my lynch bomb, I 100% would have asked stackpoleh to use her power on me. It would've been among the greatest moments in GAFIA.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 20:59:51 GMT -8
I'm also SUPER glad I didn't just wimp out like some "confirmed" scum. It's gonna get us a ton of leverage on getting QUACK lynched tomorrow, and I achieved my minimum goal of at least making town doubt itself.
I deserve credit for doing at least that much in a "confirmed scum" situation, don't I?
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Post by Sorian on Dec 28, 2015 21:09:05 GMT -8
Are you asking for head pats? Because I'll pat you on the head if you'd like. I'm wondering why you think Launch is the one that came out looking bad in there though?
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 21:30:54 GMT -8
Are you asking for head pats? Because I'll pat you on the head if you'd like. I'm wondering why you think Launch is the one that came out looking bad in there though? A. Instrumental in lynching Swamped B. He seemed to seriously consider keeping me alive C. Darryl had a bone to pick with him on day 2, when they were all sure he was scum I don't see Launch not getting lynched tomorrow |
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 21:31:22 GMT -8
Also, Scrafty, can blarg leave the game early?
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 28, 2015 21:38:01 GMT -8
.... D: Scum chat is going to be SOOOO dead Dammit |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Dec 28, 2015 23:11:16 GMT -8
Also, Scrafty, can blarg leave the game early? Nope, he's gotta win with either town or scum. |
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Post by Hyperactivity on Dec 29, 2015 0:59:48 GMT -8
Also, Scrafty, can blarg leave the game early? Nope, he's gotta win with either town or scum. He can't win with scum... We explicitly have to kill him and any other neutral... |
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