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Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 9, 2015 11:16:55 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 9, 2015 11:16:55 GMT -8 The easy bit, at last. I think most roles will depend on the setup/theme, or more specifically on how I expect the Afterlife and living to interact. The challenge here is tackling PROBLEM3, the living need to matter.

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on ROLES Dec 9, 2015 11:23:44 GMT -8

Post by Splinter on Dec 9, 2015 11:23:44 GMT -8

Currently thinking in terms of Island Mafia

I mentioned before a slight tweak to a traditional cop role: a cop (in the afterlife) investigates a player that is still alive to find out what their alignment will become on death.

Another possible tweak, instead of PRs using their abilities directly, they bestow 1-shot powers onto living players. Addendum to this idea: when living players die, as well as their ordinary flip I also reveal what powers they were given (but not if/when these powers where used).

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on ROLES Dec 9, 2015 11:36:24 GMT -8

Post by Splinter on Dec 9, 2015 11:36:24 GMT -8

Example:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are a Guardian Spirit.

In life, you watched over the weak and frail, and proudly sacrificed yourself for the sake of your fellow Islanders. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot protective power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot doctor)
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God

Hmm... A little convoluted perhaps...

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 9, 2015 11:39:45 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 9, 2015 11:39:45 GMT -8 In this case, the 3 power limitation is a necessary evil. I don't want the powers to be ridiculously bunched up on a few players leaving too many pure ordinaries. To further facilitate this, I guessI will inform people that their Bestow failed

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Post by Splinter on Dec 10, 2015 4:16:51 GMT -8

Decided that scum team (dead or alive) need to activate day 2.

For balance, a town PR will also activate day 2. This may or may not be a public role...

Not so ordinary after all...

You are the Shaman

You are the leader of this Island, guiding your people through their day to day lives in service to the Volcano God.

You have the ability to communicate with Spirits in the Afterlife (thread link). You can post freely, but do not have a vote.

Having sensed the presence of evil spirits you are currently in hiding, disguising yourself as an ordinary villager. During any day phase you can type the command REVEAL in the main thread to display your role PM. This will also remove any votes currently on you, although you are still eligible to receive new votes. However, using this ability will completely remove your access to the Afterlife thread.

You are immune to all Spirit Actions.

An Evil Spirit is attempting to sabotage you. You will appear to be aligned with Evil if targeted by an investigative power.

You were chosen for your position by the Volcano God, and no mortal can question the will of the Volcano God. If you are chosen for sacrifice the volcano will erupt, killing all remaining players. (This is bad)

You are aligned with the Islanders (town).
You win when the Volcano God is appeased.

Last Edit: Dec 10, 2015 5:30:25 GMT -8 by Splinter

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 10, 2015 4:48:16 GMT -8 via mobile Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 10, 2015 4:48:16 GMT -8 I'm not sure if I can handle killing roles in this set up... Might just leave them out. This makes doctors useless too... Might take them out, or leave them in for my amusement.

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 10, 2015 6:00:16 GMT -8 via mobile Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 10, 2015 6:00:16 GMT -8 Doctors are a negative utility! They don't actually do anything, but since each player can only hold 3 abilities they will get in the way... Even if they use them it's basically a self-imposed role block! AH HA HA HA HA HA Damn I'm good
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Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 10, 2015 11:22:01 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 10, 2015 11:22:01 GMT -8 Do do dododo doo do doo do

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 10, 2015 12:15:20 GMT -8 via mobile Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 10, 2015 12:15:20 GMT -8 Shit should this whole thing be Ghostbusters themed???

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 6:42:12 GMT -8 via mobile Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 6:42:12 GMT -8 I haven't detailed many roles yet, but this part should actually be quite simple. I've got it roughly worked out in my head, will write it up over the weekend Haven't really thought about scum powers yet.

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 6:46:39 GMT -8 via mobile Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 6:46:39 GMT -8 AH HA HA HA HA A breakthrough

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on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 7:11:06 GMT -8 via mobile

Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 7:11:06 GMT -8

Welcome to the Island!

You have come to this island disguised as a camera crew, under the pretence of gathering footage for a documentary on the tribe that lives here.

In truth, you are Bryan Welsh, trainee Ghostbuster.

The island's high level of paranormal activity is well known, and the Ghostbusters have been using this as a training ground for their new recruits for years now.

The villagers are very welcoming, they will even let you vote during each day! You aren't quite sure what they are all voting for, but hey if it keeps them happy...

When the village sleeps however, you have work to do...

(This next portion will be redacted on death. If you reveal ANY of this info you will be mod killed.)

Villagers die every day, but any Ghostbuster can tell you that they don't leave the island immediately. Instead they remain in the Afterlife until Banished (or in your case, Busted). Each night you will receive a list of Spirits still on the island, and must choose one of these Spirits to remove from play.

You are aligned with no one.
You win if you survive to the end of the game.

(To clarify, you are a neutral Serial Killer with a Survivor win condition and can win with Town or Scum.)

If the Ghostbuster is killed, I will announce a new arrival at the Island (taken from replacement list, no further explanation given). This new player will be given the same role, keeping it in play. Ghostbusters do not go to the Afterlife, and I might need some mechanic for killing an extra villager at the same time as each Ghostbuster (to keep numbers as planned)

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on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 15:32:49 GMT -8

Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 15:32:49 GMT -8

A little summarary.

At the point of role assignment, I have 20 alive and 10 'dead'.

1 of the living is the Shaman

1 of the living is the Ghostbuster (neutral)

3(?) of the living are scum

2(?) of the dead are scum.

That leaves 15 living town and 8 dead town.

All town are (kind of) ordinary while alive. Therefore I think they can all have PRs on death. (Role madness but not quite role madness.

I'm going with that earlier idea of PRs giving 1-shot abilities to the living. The abilities themselves will (probably) (mostly) be quite ordinary.

This is a surprisingly vanilla game 'beneath the surface'!

Roles...

*cracks knuckles*

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on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 15:49:48 GMT -8

Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 15:49:48 GMT -8

Obvious roles:

Cop:
I'm thinking one, starts alive (inactive). This depends on the strength of the scum team and exactly what counters they have.

Doctor:
As mentioned, this is a negative utility role (lolgafia) since they can't actually protect against anything. Probably quite a few of these, 1 or 2 start dead, 2 or 3 start alive?

Switcher:
I'm thinking the scum team will have at least one of these, so probably a max of 1 (starts alive) on the town side. I don't want switcher madness ~~in this game.~~

Roleblock:
Not sure yet, let's think about scum roles and then come back to this.

Tracker:
Lets say 1 alive, 1 dead. That would give Town some soft investigative roles from the start.

Watcher:
2 alive, 1 dead. Is that too many? 30 roles is a lot yo.

lol this is going to be impossible to balance.

I considered Sleepwalker, but I think negative utility abilities (except for the lolDoctor) should be handed out be scum. This can also include 1-shot Miller (probably won't be used so it serves as an ability slot blocker)

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 11, 2015 15:59:36 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 11, 2015 15:59:36 GMT -8 That's (at most) 12

yn Moderator Mostly Harmless tactical house-sized spider nuke	on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 2:25:57 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by yn on Dec 12, 2015 2:25:57 GMT -8 Dec 11, 2015 15:49:48 GMT -8 Splinter said: lol this is going to be impossible to balance. BOLDED ded i ... i dont think it's possible to balance this, splinteroo

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Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 5:00:07 GMT -8

Dec 12, 2015 2:25:57 GMT -8 yn said:

Dec 11, 2015 15:49:48 GMT -8 Splinter said:

lol this is going to be impossible to balance.

BOLDED

*ded*

i ... i dont think it's possible to balance this, splinteroo

It'll be fine

I just need to work out the 8 starting town PRs, and the strength/number of cops. The rest won't be super important

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on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 5:30:51 GMT -8 via mobile

Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 5:30:51 GMT -8

Cop spirit:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are an Inquisitive Spirit.

In life, you were a keen listener, interested in every word your fellow Islanders spoke, as well as hidden deeper meanings behind those words. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot investigative power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot cop)
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God.

Ability received:

You have received an investigative power from the Afterlife!

During any night phase, you may PM me the command READ: <player name> to gain a deeper understanding of the this player's potential.

You have 2 ability slots remaining.
You may use 1 ability per night.

Investigation result:

Upon closer analysis, you have observed a (type) Spirit

Spirit types (so far):
Guardian Spirit (doc)
Inquisitive Spirit (cop)
Observant Spirit (watcher)
Sensitive Spirit (voyeur?)
Cautious Spirit (tracker)
Meditating Spirit (self-cop!)
Hyperactive Spirit (buffer)
Mischievous Spirit (switcher)
Natural Spirit (spirit animal detector*)
Evil Spirit (scum/Shaman)
No spirit (Ghostbuster)

*I haven't mentioned this before, but I'm going to add a line to everyone's role PM telling them their "spirit animal". It's actually completely meaningless.

Your spirit animal is the Red Herring.

Hyuk hyuk

Edit: added the sensitive spirit, that makes 9. Cop starts alive

Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 11:14:14 GMT -8 by Splinter

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 5:42:16 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 5:42:16 GMT -8 That's actually 8... I wonder if one of each to start is ok. Cop is slightly weaker than I originally thought as it will take them some time to figure out what it means? (I guess "Evil Spirit" is pretty clear actually Edit: Now at 9, cop starts alive
	Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 7:11:55 GMT -8 by Splinter

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Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 6:18:45 GMT -8

Watcher:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are an Observant Spirit.

In life, you had a keen eye for detail, often noticing things that did not want to be noticed. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot watcher power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot watcher/lookout)
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God.

Ability received:

You have received a tracking power from the Afterlife!

During any night phase, you can PM me the command WATCH: <player name> to receive a list of players who visited your target on that night.

You have 2 ability slots remaining.
You may use 1 ability per night.

Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 6:20:56 GMT -8 by Splinter

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Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 6:29:13 GMT -8

I'm not sure this role is usually called, receives a list of commands used against the target.

Sensor:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are a Sensitive Spirit.

In life, you were very compassionate, always able to detect moods, feelings and other implicit details in your fellow Islanders. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot detection power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot (voyeur?))
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God.

Ability received:

You have received a tracking power from the Afterlife!

During any night phase, you can PM me the command DETECT: <player name> to receive a list of actions performed on your target on that night.

You have 2 ability slots remaining.
You may use 1 ability per night.

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on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 7:06:33 GMT -8 via mobile

Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 7:06:33 GMT -8

Addendum to Shaman role:

If you survive N3 without using your REVEAL, you will receive important information from the Volcano God

Start of D4 PM:

Day 1 was a farce. Roles (including scum) were not assigned until Day 2.

If you survive N6 without using your REVEAL, you will receive useful information from the Volcano God

Start of D7 PM:

x scum are still alive.
x scum are currently in the afterlife.
x scum have been successfully banished.

The Volcano God has no more help to offer.

D7 pm is useful but not that important. The number banished is already known - no trickery there.
D7 pm is more useful to me. It gives me a definitive point in the game where I can make changes to the living portion if no scum are alive (P3a)

Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 7:58:29 GMT -8 by Splinter

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 10:14:31 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 10:14:31 GMT -8 Addendum to Ghostbuster role: For reasons too tedious to explain, if you are killed by a vote the second vote option will also be killed. eh
	Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 10:15:11 GMT -8 by Splinter

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Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 10:52:32 GMT -8

Tracker:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are a Cautious Spirit.

In life, you rarely trusted people until this trust had been earned. Some would have described you as a paranoid individual, but really you were just cautious. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot tracking power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot tracker)
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (this is Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God.

Ability received:

You have received a tracking power from the Afterlife!

During any night phase, you may PM me the command TRACK: <player name> to see who your target visits.

You have 2 ability slots remaining.
You may use 1 ability per night.

Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 10:53:08 GMT -8 by Splinter

Splinter Member *Hey, where's my asterisk?	on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 11:02:50 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 11:02:50 GMT -8 Scum roles: Manipulative Spirit (possession) Disruptive Spirit (cop bother-er) Lazy Spirit (roleblock) Confounding Spirit (switcher) Also, I've decided to let ~~all~~ most spirits pick 2 targets each night. Such balance!
	Last Edit: Dec 12, 2015 11:42:06 GMT -8 by Splinter

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Post by Splinter on Dec 12, 2015 11:35:43 GMT -8

Self-targeting Cop thing:

Welcome to the Afterlife!

You are a Meditating Spirit.

In life, you were a calm, contemplative and could often be found meditating on the quiet side of the Island. A profound self-understanding brought you inner peace. As such, the Volcano God has smiled on you.

Each night, you can PM me the command BESTOW: <player name>
This player will be granted a 1 shot self-investigative power to be used at their discretion. (You will make them a 1-shot self-targeting cop)
Note: Each player can hold a maximum of three powers. Targeting a player who already holds 3 or more powers will have no affect.

You are still aligned with the Islanders (this is Town).
Banish all Evil Spirits to appease the Volcano God.

Ability received:

You have received a self-investigative power from the Afterlife!

During any night phase, you PM me the command MEDITATE to learn more about your own potential.

You have 2 ability slots remaining.
You may use 1 ability per night.

I haven't decided yet if other abilities can be self-targeting... if they are then this is just a much weaker version of the cop (which is fine)

yn Moderator Mostly Harmless tactical house-sized spider nuke	on ROLES Dec 12, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by yn on Dec 12, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -8 you're so creative ! these are all reading pretty interesting, splinter. i like the red herring spirit animals too... lol. i dont know if we'll get enough sign up for a game this complicated / massive though it will need a good marketing angle!

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Post by Splinter on Dec 13, 2015 5:02:38 GMT -8

Dec 12, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -8 yn said:

you're so creative !

these are all reading pretty interesting, splinter. i like the red herring spirit animals too... lol.

i dont know if we'll get enough sign up for a game this complicated / massive though

it will need a good marketing angle!

Hmm I am a little worried on that point, it doesn't have a well-known theme to sell it at the moment... I was hoping the Bastardness would sell it (plus if I run it late there would be no competition)

Maybe I should find a theme though :/

yn Moderator Mostly Harmless tactical house-sized spider nuke	on ROLES Dec 13, 2015 5:04:11 GMT -8 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by yn on Dec 13, 2015 5:04:11 GMT -8 lots of people like crazy set up, sure, but yeah, maybe needs a gimmicky to help bait the victims :3

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