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Post by triggergaf on Aug 7, 2017 8:15:42 GMT -8
I'm reading this Darryl/Sorian argument, and it's very messy. I still don't really see the point of the argument. It's less manufactured feeling than Kits/WAMD. Do you read any part as worse? I kinda like Darryl's posts before, but not very much after if that makes sense It makes total sense. Darryl had a much stronger foundation for his suspicions of Sorian. The argument degenerates to the point where even Ouro doesn't understand what they're going on about. In post #1530 Darryl admits to not seeing the discussion leading to Sorian getting lynched. I would have hoped that that would have dropped it sooner.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 8:17:39 GMT -8
I actually still lean a little scummy on WAMD and Vel still. Dragonz was aggressive at the beginning of the day, but seemed just fine leaving a vote on Orb. I don't understand why she chose to be less aggressive towards the deadline. Do you read it as town kitsune vs scum Dragonz? A lot of Vere and kitsune to be reads a pointless for scum to do. A lot of Vere reads as sightly odd, but I don't see his reasoning. Vere can be very straight forward as scum and try to get rid of a townie in their way by tunneling on then or defend a scum partner by spreading doubt. His initial scum read of Sophia, while shallow, seemed pure and it's hard to see a reason apart from finding them scummy.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 8:22:39 GMT -8
Do you read any part as worse? I kinda like Darryl's posts before, but not very much after if that makes sense It makes total sense. Darryl had a much stronger foundation for his suspicions of Sorian. The argument degenerates to the point where even Ouro doesn't understand what they're going on about. In post #1530 Darryl admits to not seeing the discussion leading to Sorian getting lynched. I would have hoped that that would have dropped it sooner. Yeah. I think Fat's attack is a clear start despite there being something before (mostly from Darryl). That's when it really started. I like Darryl's subtle attack on Sorian with his voting. I didn't actually know he was attacking Sorian and thought he was just attacking Ouro. I rather see town Darryl trying to string his thoughts together and finding Sorian's voting irregular than scum Darryl who wants to deliberately throw shade at Sorian.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 7, 2017 8:23:09 GMT -8
Yeah, I do read it as town kits vs scum WAMD, but Ver hasn't been scummy.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 7, 2017 8:26:55 GMT -8
Right now this is what I feel: Towniest: Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke Townie: TheExodu5 & Fireblend CrimsonFist & Sophia franconp & Dr. Worm Verelios & WhereAreMahDragonz Light town: Fat4all/Sawneeks & Sorian Xbro & Karkador Natiko & Nomadic Sparks Ourobolus & kingkitty Uncertain: TsuXna & Royal_Flush StarSketch & SexyFish/CzarTim Scum lean: Darryl & nin1000 Scummiest: kitsunelaine & flatearthpandas I wanted to say that I mostly agree with your picks for town here. CrimSophia are weaker reads for me, mostly due to their pack of presence. I like Fireblend and Fran. Franc responded pretty directly to my inquiries and his posts seem genuine in trying understand what's happening in the game.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 8:43:46 GMT -8
What bothers me with kitsune is that she doesn't have the spark. I went back to the last game she played in and she actually had some reads. Being uncertain in itself isn't scummy, but it stuck out in comparison.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 9:00:54 GMT -8
This reads as forced and taking advantage of being backed by some townies.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 9:03:20 GMT -8
You've got me doubting this tho lol
I can see both kitsune and FEP being kinda scummy as town.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 9:16:06 GMT -8
Natiko sticks out in a good way around the kitsune/Dragonz mess. He seems interested in figuring stuff out and not too pocketing (trying to be friendly etc. to be town read). Stuff like asking kitsune how many games she's played in and throws out reads instead of just standing on the sidelines.
I'm really bad at it, but I might pick up a laptop and check read consistency and progression. It's especially painful without my desktop that can chew through the millions of tabs.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 9:19:55 GMT -8
Dragonz:
This train of thought kinda collapses half way through and I'm not sure what to make of it...
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 9:33:58 GMT -8
Dragonz: This train of thought kinda collapses half way through and I'm not sure what to make of it... Giving this a third and fourth read I kinda like the self-deprecation. The way she brings up inevitably being scum read, but doesn't fight it.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 10:15:41 GMT -8
Kitsune is really fast to respond to people like she reading without posting
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Burbeting
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The obligatory (gay) bear of the society!
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Post by Burbeting on Aug 7, 2017 10:18:34 GMT -8
Orb & TheWorthyEdge have been removed, their time of spiritual healing has ran out.
May they rest in shippery peace.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 10:24:04 GMT -8
Orb & TheWorthyEdge have been removed, their time of spiritual healing has ran out.
May they rest in shippery peace.
D: We barely got to know you ;_;
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 12:39:12 GMT -8
I got super town v town in Natiko vs Sophia
Bopolis is from our quali game. Nat was my replacement, but I didn't need one. When I died Nat was asked if he could fill in for someone else which he did. In lylo he came into a heated argument with bopolis and both voted for each other. Both were town. Fun fact, town turbo'd before the last scum woke up. If both scum are ready they can win lylo the moment town votes town with a turbo.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 16:04:32 GMT -8
Just a random observation (and I am 3 hours behind ATM), but Muffin is pinging me with meh posts. I don't particularly care for the way he's analyzing the votes. Probably just playstyle tho.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 16:19:21 GMT -8
Vere's mess of a post is totally readable if you copy paste it into Outer Gafia
I will do that in the next post
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 16:19:31 GMT -8
Here's an accurate example of me phrasing Flush as a coaster and fluffer.
First post settles me as a target/distraction.
Empty fluff
Here is an example of providing 'conversation' while talking in generalities. Doesn't say anything particularly relevant to scum hunting but gives a feeling of contributing.
Seemingly got scummoned/triggered for being called out for coasting, which he was so...
'Quality' post where Flush gives an opinion, mingles into the current conversation and then brings up someone with less points than him as a target.
...More helpful advice? And Sophia's name comes up quite a lot in these posts. This is a nothing post though... it's just an explanation without any direction.
This was already mentioned, but 'tons' of people did not find their behavior manufactured, it was pretty much just two. So...where did you hear tons? And from whom?
The irony is palpable.
Hmmmm, how many times has Sophia's name come up again? And regurgitates the fact that he 'did' do something useful.
Quaint and a bit of a nothing burger.
So, guess thoughts on CrimsonPhia is that they're town. I'm surprised they haven't elaborated on why other than good posts. Also, good summary.
So...a psuedo read post. What's odd is how they walk back the vote for Sorian and their penchant for CrimsonPhia.
Okay
Really curious why those posts give you the feeling I know more than you. And you seem very interested in discrediting me for some reason, even just as the game began. I'm half interested in if this is because I dared to scum read CrimsonPhia or if it's because I was right.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 7, 2017 17:21:18 GMT -8
Yell out if you don't want me posting for you. I figured it would be nice to get it out there when I knew you had some thoughts, but can't post right now.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 8, 2017 3:41:42 GMT -8
I appreciate you posting that. Players will care more when it comes from me, but I had a pretty busy day yesterday. I'm off from work until the late evening though so I'll be more active today.
Re: Muffin- I agree that his posts are very meh, but I can't tell if that's because he's a relative newbie or what. They would be read as coasting if it was anyone else, but I want to give him the credit of a doubt. I could another explanation being that he just wants to contribute more and is doing a poor job.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 8, 2017 3:54:26 GMT -8
So is your theory that Flush is scum? He was uncertain for you previously. Do you think his penchant for CrimSophia is a scum tactic? I've been mostly reading the two as town.
My own personal rankings so far:
Lean Scum:
flatkits- Kits has kept a very low profile and, combined with Flats posts, I don't see much effort in actually finding scum. I'll reread the start of Day 2 though to see if I'm missing something greater
OuroKitty- Ouro has been playing such a defensive game, don't you think? He hasn't been very aggressive in pursuing anyone. Kitty's made some good posts and hasn't been chasing obvious leads. Yet his posts still feel more like an attempt to have presence than push and pursue any leads.
VelDragonz- I've already stated why, and my feelings haven't changed.
Lean Town
KarkBro- I already stated it in the game thread, but circumstances make it easier to read him as quirky town than bold scum.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 8, 2017 4:28:41 GMT -8
Everyone else is kind of a null read. I didn't like the Sophia v Natiko discussion earlier in the day. An emotional argument disrupted the flow of the game. Crimson hasn't troubled my gut since the beginning of the game though.
I've been wondering if scum spread out all of their votes on Day 1 or mostly voted for one side. I've played and lost as scum before. I think what lost the game in Disney Princess mafia was us leaving too obvious a trail of votes. We all voted to save an ally, and town was able to easily clean us up afterwards because it was clear that we were voting to save an ally.
Of the people voting for TWE/Orb, only Dragonz, Kitty, and Ver have been scum reads for me. I don't read any of the votes for Kark as a scum. Flush comes closest, but that's more after reading your analysis rather than any particular post he made. SamMuffin, Fire, and TWE all read town to me.
Your vote on flat is understandable to me. We've discussed it, but Darryl? His vote comes out in the middle of discussion without much support for it. I went back and read, but I don't see the logic behind it? Admittedly going back and forth through old posts, I may have missed it. Preeeeetty scummy by itself.
NomadicNatiko both placed votes on OuroKitty mostly it seems because of Ouro's previous behavior when he was under fire. Justifiable at the time, but Natiko never moves his vote because he's afraid of breaking a tie? Hmmmmm...it doesn't help that Nomad's presence shrinks pretty quickly as the Day draws to a close.
Fat4All is gone, but his vote isn't much of an issue because he was more or less gone by Day 1 end. Still didn't read him as completely town though. Kits placed a vote on Dragonz and just never moved it. Is this just an attempt to stay under the radar? Franc placed his vote more as a prod than anything. That he never moved it seems like he wasn't moved by anything Nomadic said. I'm kinda rambling here and also trying to take in what I've been reading. Don't mind me!
Anything thoughts on why the vote was split like it was?
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 8, 2017 6:42:04 GMT -8
Going to reply a bit haphazardly. Editing quotes and stuff is hard on mobile.
I'm not really sure what my Flush read is. He has been more of a "This could be coasting scum" to me for most of the game. His opening today wasn't too bad.
Regarding Darryl voting kitsune I actually kinda liked it, but mostly because I scum read them too. He almost made it a viable vote until Sorian came and messed it up.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 10, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -8
Ok
I took a quick look at Just Mafia end of D1 and still stand by my kitsune scum read. I will not try healing if kitsune and FEP are lynched.
If somehow Sorian and Saw is lynched I'm thinking about using the healing. It's a gamble, but losing the chat isn't the end of the world and confirmed Sorian and Saw could really help.
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 10, 2017 10:18:13 GMT -8
I support that decision. I actually don't doubt kits, but I've been slight scum reading flats all game. His pr claim doesn't have much weight.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 10, 2017 10:54:38 GMT -8
I'm being pocketed right now aren't I?
o.o;
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Post by triggergaf on Aug 10, 2017 10:56:01 GMT -8
Possibly..... I'm going to throw a vote on kits. I don't want an upset.
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 10, 2017 11:00:16 GMT -8
herewego
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 10, 2017 11:00:51 GMT -8
Possibly..... I'm going to throw a vote on kits. I don't want an upset. Nice one I didn't check this thread. Too busy refreshing main thread...
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Post by Ty4on on Aug 10, 2017 11:01:23 GMT -8
God those last few votes (especially knowing you're town) will be great if they flip scum. pls pls pls
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