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Post by yn on May 10, 2017 12:40:49 GMT -8
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Post by crimsonfist on May 10, 2017 12:56:39 GMT -8
So Cop still returns a green check on the miller? Will they called a miller in their role PM? Because I don't see why the cop wouldn't return a red check if they were a miller.
I don't see a major issue with the Mayor. It would be a bigger advantage in LYLO, but no more so than something like an override or having a confirmed townie in a LYLO situation anyway. Doesn't seem gamebreaking.
Nationalist seems fine to use at any point, since it wouldn't prevent town from lynching scum in lylo situation. Although I'd question if the player would ever actually use it unless they were an almost guaranteed lynch the next day. Could be seen as a soft town confirmation too, but if town take it like that then that's just them being dumb.
Predictor limits scum's counters to the cop, since they can't guarantee that they'd be able to kill/block them after a role claim. Maybe let them stock strongman kills so that they can be used later?
Neutrals seem odd in that their roles don't actually seem to have anything to do with their win condition. I assume they're treated as masons rather than lovers? Do they both win if only one survives till the end?
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Post by cabot on May 10, 2017 22:33:12 GMT -8
Neutrals are essentially a neutral mason pair. If one wins, they both win.
I need to look at my logs with Tim. I remember discussing the nationalist having a must use thunderdome restriction
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Post by cabot on May 10, 2017 22:38:09 GMT -8
The Miller does return green on a check due to the unique cop setup.
Liked the idea of a Miller being in game but was not actually a problem. I was thinking of wording the cop and Miller PMs to give enough information that one can deduce the cop check wouldn't resolve the issue
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Post by cabot on May 10, 2017 23:00:35 GMT -8
OK, so I remembered how the Miller is.
Basically the cop in the game is checking what the player voted in the referendum.
The player's vote choice is given in their role PMs, but it essentially breaks down to all Town voted leave and all non-town voted remain.
Theres a nuance there as Jezza Corbyn is Town and voted Leave, but that differs from real life (allegedly), though it can be resolved by the cop and its also a bit of fluff is fluff.
The only point here is do we reveal to non-town that they all voted Leave? As I can imagine some players who join may not know the ins and outs of all the fluff names involved and may reveal they voted remain thinking its harmless, whereas it's clearly not.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 10, 2017 23:31:14 GMT -8
I would at least make sure to emphasise that all town voted leave in the OP's to the scum and neutral threads, alongside fake claims.
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Post by cabot on May 11, 2017 0:00:01 GMT -8
As for the neutrals, the idea was one was anti-town and one was pro-town, so one could be seen as a reasonable town player for scum to look to target, and the other maybe a sort of scummy player that town would look to lynch.
Their powers would be used to aid these things as appropriate along with their own play.
Mechanically, its a 2-man faction basically. Not so different from Arkham Mafia (from what I've seen in game, not spoiled) with Sorian and Natiko.
Only one of the neutrals can use their power on a single night, so they have to plan that out.
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Post by cabot on May 11, 2017 0:01:46 GMT -8
Yeah, re-read the spreadsheet and I'll enforce the usage of the thunderdome, probably by Night 3.
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Post by cabot on May 11, 2017 0:02:58 GMT -8
I'm okay with letting scum stack strong kills, though it could only be used by the strong killer.
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Post by cabot on May 11, 2017 0:03:29 GMT -8
This shouldn't be a short game since it's light on Killing powers. Hoping some actual scumhunting play is picked up.
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Post by yn on May 11, 2017 22:33:30 GMT -8
Thanks Crimi
Once a game reaches a GREEN LIGHT status for a reviewer, let us know please :>
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Post by cabot on May 12, 2017 0:02:34 GMT -8
Keep the generic eliminate all threats win con or change to eliminate the scum team?
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Post by yn on May 12, 2017 3:17:32 GMT -8
eliminate all threats
make it hard for them immigrants
rrrrrawr
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Post by crimsonfist on May 12, 2017 14:02:02 GMT -8
Eliminate all threats should be standard win con.
If the miller has a hint that a cop check might clear him then it shouldn't be an issue. Otherwise they'll claim day 1 and be no different to a normal miller in execution regardless of intent.
The scummy neutral won't appear anti town to town because they'll never claim in a way that makes them look as such. I think the only real utility their roles will have to furthering their win condition would be the pro town ones if they need to claim to avoid a lynch. But it will still be disruptive to town/scum, which is the main benefit of a neutral. Survivors are also anti town later in the game and can bring forward lylo if they vote with scum. Maybe using all four actions would be a better win con?
I think the setup is fine overall though. Those aren't major issues and it can probably run as is.
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Post by cabot on May 15, 2017 1:25:23 GMT -8
If I change to use all powers, what would be the wincon if one dies?
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Post by crimsonfist on May 15, 2017 1:30:08 GMT -8
Oh, yeah, that wouldn't really work unless one were to inherit the remaining powers when the other died.
I don't think it's a necessary change anyway.
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Post by cabot on May 15, 2017 1:42:03 GMT -8
I am kinda worried now if both neutrals are alive towards the end and basically add +2 to scum votes.
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Post by cabot on May 21, 2017 2:31:27 GMT -8
Brexit MAFIA | Role PMsalright I'd like thoughts on: - The Leave Delusionist Cop makes sense - The Miller hint is enough for a pass - Any other weird mistakes. - Should the neutral vote remover be for a single day phase or the entire game?
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Post by crimsonfist on May 21, 2017 6:06:21 GMT -8
Miller hint to me would hint that there might be other ways of confirming townieness, but doesn't suggest that there isn't a traditional role cop.
Vote remover should be for a single day.
Don't see any other issues.
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Post by cabot on May 21, 2017 8:33:01 GMT -8
Yeah, that makes sense.
Just trying to think of how to make that hint.
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Post by cabot on May 22, 2017 0:35:10 GMT -8
how about this?
You are a [highlight]Miller[/highlight]. You will show up as scum if checked by a cop. It’s alright though, you still voted Leave!
Doesn't doubt a standard cop, highlights that his vote is important.
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Post by yn on May 22, 2017 3:34:39 GMT -8
them role PMs look okay to me, bottie.
the way the miller's role PM is put together is gud now.
players can always clarify with you, too, right?
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Post by cabot on May 22, 2017 3:53:02 GMT -8
as always yes.
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