Crab
Vice Admin
Glorious Leader
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Post by Crab on Feb 11, 2017 14:39:47 GMT -8
I'm voting Kyan. We know he's one shot, but there's nothing stopping him claiming to town he's multi and pulling some ridiculous gambit. I just can't be assed to deal with it. CCS can wait.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 15:19:26 GMT -8
let him do it. I'm leaning towards one of us claiming cop tomorrow anyway. My role is useless and it gives more info for town to see 2 goons than an RB. I already implied in my posts that Kyan was one-shot and I didn't necessarily believe him.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 15:19:57 GMT -8
Block: Squidyj
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 15:44:25 GMT -8
kyan hasn't said he's 1shot so if we let him live he might fake a second check. He has to be 1 shot this is mmmtttc
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 15:47:01 GMT -8
Of course we could do some claims and make it seem like mmmtc??
Either way Kyan should go, I agree.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 15:47:41 GMT -8
kyan hasn't said he's 1shot so if we let him live he might fake a second check. He has to be 1 shot this is mmmtttc Misread your post, nm
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Post by yn on Feb 11, 2017 18:15:32 GMT -8
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 18:54:28 GMT -8
killing kyan would be a massive mistake.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 19:24:54 GMT -8
CCS is scum reading you and crab, so in that sense I think it would be easier to convince kyan you're town than ccs. iirc the people not scum reading crab are melon / kyan / gor? So tomorrow it'd potentially be those 4 + crab on someone else. But who would be the lynch in that case? If it's one of them, they'll flip to voting crab. It'd have to be haly, and I don't think kyan would go for that. I think the worst case scenario tomorrow would be for squid to get lynched. Neither crab nor I have laid the groundwork for a bus there. We'd gain nothing.
I also made a mistake earlier in my math, I forgot we need 50% + 1 to win, so even if we lynch town tomorrow, it'd be 3/3 on day four. We can't turbo, vote no lynch, or tie to no lynch (not happy with this voting setup tbh). Best we could do is tie and pray to the rng gods, and that's a terrible idea.
We need two mislynches here. I think the best way to do that is bussing crab, and hope squid and I can bring it home.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 19:31:16 GMT -8
That doesn't mean crab shouldn't fight like hell tomorrow, just that him getting lynched isn't awful for us.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 19:36:37 GMT -8
If you were a cop who would you check tonight?
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 19:38:40 GMT -8
crab
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 19:43:58 GMT -8
CCCMMMT would mean godfather, all green checks would be worthless btw.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 20:18:20 GMT -8
only one godfather, multitude of green checks would say "at most 1 scum"
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 20:19:13 GMT -8
stating a green check on crab would be real bad though, Is there a way to justify a different check?
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 20:22:33 GMT -8
stating a green check on crab would be real bad though, Is there a way to justify a different check? Your first vote was on crab yesterday. Mine too.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 20:23:44 GMT -8
And crab wouldn't be able to claim tomorrow unless he wanted to cc the mason.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 20:51:45 GMT -8
yn, what would happen if we get down to four players, two scum / two town? If scum is lynched and town is nked, it would be 1v1 at the start of the day. I presume scum wins? Or is it a coin flip since scum isn't a majority?
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 20:55:21 GMT -8
yn, what would happen if we get down to four players, two scum / two town? If scum is lynched and town is nked, it would be 1v1 at the start of the day. I presume scum wins? Or is it a coin flip since scum isn't a majority? If scum wins this is our best chance here: n2: nk ccs or kyan d3: crab wastes a day making the game about him, gets lynched n3: nk ccs or kyan d4: push a mislynch, mel would be easy I think n4: kill karl or gor d5: it's 2/2, we win no matter what No claims necessary, just need one mislynch.
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Post by yn on Feb 11, 2017 20:57:52 GMT -8
yn, what would happen if we get down to four players, two scum / two town? If scum is lynched and town is nked, it would be 1v1 at the start of the day. I presume scum wins? Or is it a coin flip since scum isn't a majority? yes, coin will be flipped in a tie event.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 20:58:20 GMT -8
welp nm then
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Post by yn on Feb 11, 2017 21:02:04 GMT -8
i root for you guys tho
u my alien baes
feed me
feed me hoomans
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 21:06:39 GMT -8
In this case we need to get two mislynches or this game goes to a flip no matter what. Not really happy about this, not having turbos or ties gives town a huge advantage.
I vote kill ccs. Crab, do your magic and get a mislynch tomorrow. We'll go from there.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 11, 2017 21:47:46 GMT -8
we enter tomorrow at 5 and 3, if we were somehow able to force a mislynch tomorrow we'd go to 3 and 3. town could stack one of us and we'd stack one of town we wind up with a 50% chance to win the game on the spot if we lose the coin flip we continue at 2/2 with another 50% to win the game if we lose that coin flip we go to 1/1 for a final coin flip to decide the game that's an 87.5% chance of winning the game.
if we let a scum teammmate die tomorrow and move to stalemate we wind up with a 75% chance.
I think if we can generate a mislynch tomorrow we should go for it by any means possible.
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Post by CzarTim on Feb 11, 2017 22:10:00 GMT -8
Agreed
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Post by yn on Feb 11, 2017 22:23:38 GMT -8
In this case we need to get two mislynches or this game goes to a flip no matter what. Not really happy about this, not having turbos or ties gives town a huge advantage. I vote kill ccs. Crab, do your magic and get a mislynch tomorrow. We'll go from there. bolded part: Crab actually told me at discord, before the game began, that the No Lynch thing helps maf. but now that it's in play, i can see your point, czar. i'll note your feedback so the next time mini mafia runs for gafia, there may be changes to the voting structure. i chose to adopt timeaisis and batsnacks' approach in mini mafia 3 cuz it had seemed to work well in mini 1 (which i participated). but things can always be improved :) anyway, im not going to change set up mid-game, but you three are one of the strongest scum team i've ever seen in gafia, so i have faith in your team :D FIGHTING!
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Post by squidyj on Feb 12, 2017 0:07:26 GMT -8
I could have sworn I typed up a big post about the logic of a cop not checking crab and the real issue being the hidden mason.
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Post by yn on Feb 12, 2017 1:03:17 GMT -8
LESS THAN 12 HOURS TO NIGHT COMMAND DEADLINE, GENTS
who will be the chosen one
blood for the blood god
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Crab
Vice Admin
Glorious Leader
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Post by Crab on Feb 12, 2017 2:01:20 GMT -8
I didn't realise we were doing coin flips on tie until D1 end, I assumed that even if we couldn't vote No Lynch a No Lynch would happen in the event of a tie. My fault, should have read more carefully. As it is, this is definitely a disadvantage for mafia - quite a significant one. Coin flips I think are pretty unsatisfactory, I don't think they should ever be used.
That said, we can't complain - MMMCTTT with the cop outing on the SK is absolute jackpot for mafia, so overall I think we had the natural advantage even with this. Just something to consider next time.
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We're definitely killing Kyan.
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Do we want to make a counter-claim for batsnacks' Mason partner?
Are there any other claims we want to make? Bear in mind for there to be an SK, we needed MMMC**T or MMMC***, which limits our claim pool. Full cop isn't a bad claim, because the presence of one would necessitate a GF so clears wouldn't be trusted anyway.
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Post by squidyj on Feb 12, 2017 2:04:14 GMT -8
So I don't think Haly is the mason. that means if we kill gorlak/kawl we have 50/50 to hit mason which improves the quality of a cop claim by allowing us to pick not haly for the fake check.
during the day I hope kyan will state a fake claim, don't want to prompt him necessarily tho. Discuss that line and then someone should bring up that it's impossible for kyan to have checked anyone because of scum roleblocker. that's when the cop fake claim makes the most sense. cop was sitting back letting the fake claim unfold to get some more info for town but now he has a red check on haly/gorlak/kawl. "but why didn't you investigate crab?" ask the townies Investigating crab makes no sense. I know we're in an MMMCCC game so there's a godfather. If I get a green check on crab it doesn't mean he's necessarily town and if I get a red check on him I gain nothing as I viewed him as the next lynch anyways. So the best thing to do was to investigate someone else, if I found a red check we could line up the guaranteed scum lynch and follow it up with the relatively safe crab lynch. If I got green I wouldn't have to speak up.
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