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Post by natiko on Feb 16, 2017 22:42:59 GMT -8
I feel like there's a decent chance either Sorian or Ty could get lynched. If we manage to get one of them lynched I think we can win and I think they're more likely to be lynched by both remaining alive to argue with each other. They both think the other's scum game is really good and will be more critical as time goes on. Who do you think the obvious pick to kill is from the outside looking in?
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 16, 2017 22:51:00 GMT -8
If I were town, I think the kill I would expect for N3 would either be StarSketch or kingkitty, because of their status as semi-confirmed town, and also because of the latter potentially having hinted at himself being a power role.
I'd probably be more suspicious of Sorian than I'm playing now. His continued survival wouldn't necessarily ring alarm bells because of his two commuter claims—so I wouldn't think scum would want to gamble with that unless they were sure which night actually pertains to him—but I think that would mean I'd have a perpetual feeling of unease regarding him.
I don't think anyone else would stand out to me in regards to being killed tonight.
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Post by natiko on Feb 17, 2017 7:52:02 GMT -8
I think that makes sense. I'm fine with King Kitty going I suppose. The only real benefit to Stan is he doesn't leave many opinions behind for anyone to follow up on, but then again we aren't basing the kill on opinions regardless.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 17, 2017 7:55:07 GMT -8
If we kill kingkitty, then who gets role blocked? From what I posted before, it seems that the only ones of potential use would be either nin1000 or OceanicAir?
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Post by natiko on Feb 17, 2017 15:12:10 GMT -8
What PRs do they realistically have left? We could just skip it this night. We have two left I believe so we could save them for potential use on Sorian if needed.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 17, 2017 15:27:39 GMT -8
I don't think role blocking the commuter works, but it might vary depending on the game. Should be a question that a mod can answer.
Crimson, which takes priority in this game: the commuter role or role blocking?
I don't think we need to be saving it, regardless. Because if there comes a time when we've reached N5, there's a high chance one of us will have died.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 17, 2017 16:23:24 GMT -8
If I had a commuter in this game, they would act before any other role and would not be targetable at all.
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Post by natiko on Feb 17, 2017 17:11:00 GMT -8
Then I guess we can use it. I don't have much preference at this point seeing as I don't know what role town would have left at this point that we would even benefit in targeting.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 17, 2017 19:04:09 GMT -8
Then I guess we can use it. I don't have much preference at this point seeing as I don't know what role town would have left at this point that we would even benefit in targeting. I imagine that, if there were to be a town power role left, they would be a tracker. It's better to nullify whatever there might be than not use it at all. So is the plan that I kill kingkitty (semi-confirmed town, potential power role) and you role block nin1000 (potential power role)?
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Post by natiko on Feb 17, 2017 20:32:01 GMT -8
I wonder if my roleblock is trackable. I'm still pretty unclear on the specific details of PRs, hence not realizing you can't block a commuter.
Give present: nin1000
But yeah that works might as well get it down.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 17, 2017 20:37:08 GMT -8
Roger that. One step closer to victory.
Kill kingkitty
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 18, 2017 6:07:37 GMT -8
Confirmed blocking Nin and killing Kitty
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Post by natiko on Feb 18, 2017 12:26:15 GMT -8
For some reason I have a bad feeling.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 18, 2017 12:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 18, 2017 13:06:43 GMT -8
Damn, so kingkitty's reluctance was just because it was his FA, after all. Alright, well, it wasn't a juicy kill, but it was one all the same.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 18, 2017 14:42:41 GMT -8
Oh yeah, I totally did forget that nin1000 had claimed his FA before. Huh, interesting that we forgot. I'll catch up and post in the thread in a bit.
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Post by natiko on Feb 18, 2017 15:07:08 GMT -8
Yeah that's a fail on our part lol Oh well.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 18, 2017 18:54:12 GMT -8
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Post by natiko on Feb 18, 2017 19:41:42 GMT -8
He's going to flip flop each night. It'll be a 50/50 shot if we go for him.
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Post by natiko on Feb 19, 2017 20:32:48 GMT -8
If we dodge a lynch today I definitely think we need to kill OA. He's the strongest opponent to one of us. There will inevitably be people that go "OA died? Clearly Natiko is scum" but I think I can argue somewhat well enough that Ty or Sorian are experienced scum and that one of them would think to kill OA in hopes of getting me lynched since it's obvious someone active will be lynched D5. I think it's a better shot than leaving OA alive who has his sights on me over everyone I think.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 19, 2017 21:13:10 GMT -8
That sounds like a relatively convoluted counter-argument, but I'd be fine with killing OA. Sorian's no good as a target at this point in the game.
But, I'm hoping that OA's FA holds true and we can get two people lynched at the same time, with nin1000 and OceanicAir. That'd be neat.
Make sure that, when the time comes for it, your FA claim doesn't blow up in your face. It's likely you might get forced into doing it at some point, and it could be a do or die moment.
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Post by natiko on Feb 19, 2017 21:20:59 GMT -8
I'm just going to go with can't name claim. It fits with can't role claim and can't FA claim, avoids any issue with claiming a name too. The only sticking point is it could be viewed as an odd FA if I'm vanilla. I don't want to have to claim a PR at all but if I do it'll be a one shot something. I won't go into details on a PR until D5 though if needed.
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Post by natiko on Feb 19, 2017 21:23:29 GMT -8
We shouldn't go too far out of our way to get the double lynch today. If it seems like either of us forced the double lynch we'll be swarmed the next day.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 19, 2017 21:30:50 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't think we should force it. Going after OA makes sense for me, but don't vote for him if that's not what you think you'd be inclined to do. It's just be a cool bonus. Double lynch or not, we'd still need an extra day phase to end this.
Also, yes, if your FA is going to be that you can't name claim, that'll definitely imply you're a power role. Again, be careful with that. You could actually claim that you're a role blocker.
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Post by natiko on Feb 19, 2017 21:47:59 GMT -8
I could claim that but it's a big risk to go that route. I'm not sure what would make sense to claim for a PR if forced to.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 19, 2017 21:52:06 GMT -8
If you're lucky, people will just leave it at that when you've claimed the FA of not name claiming. But I think there's a very low likelihood of that, and instead people will want to know what your specific role attached to that name is, seeing how we're at the end game. If role blocker is too big a risk, you could possibly claim tracker, but I think anything you'd claim as would be risky. Traditionally, everyone with a power role has had theirs relevantly attached to their forbidden action, so yours could cause some suspicion since it's more nebulous. Also, we haven't seen any "one-shot" abilities in this game outside of those who had kill abilities, so I think people would think that something with that limitation would be pretty powerful (and have an appropriately balanced setback through the FA mechanic).
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Post by natiko on Feb 19, 2017 21:58:17 GMT -8
I could do more than one shot, but I think it needs to be something limited. If it's something I can have done every night it'll look bad that I have nothing to show for it. I won't reveal the PR part until D5 though so we do have a little time. Any ideas you can think of besides roleblock and tracker?
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 19, 2017 22:18:03 GMT -8
1. Roleblocker: Essentially your own role, # of shots and all. 2. Tracker3. Watcher4. BackupOther ideas here: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page&redirect=noThings to keep in mind: 1. This late in the game, you'd have to be able to corroborate your claim with something, probably. Either info only we know of, or an explanation for something that happened earlier that people didn't find a conclusion for. Maybe taking advantage of the fact that the dead tell no tales. 2. You'd need to have a good reason as to why a helpful town role didn't claim earlier if you were related to gathering intel that could have helped them. 3. You'd potentially want to come up with some excuse as to how your FA of not being able to say your name is related to your ability.
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Post by natiko on Feb 20, 2017 13:00:55 GMT -8
No idea what happens here. If OA lives it really sucks for us.
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Post by FluxWaveZ on Feb 20, 2017 13:04:17 GMT -8
How comes? Nin's dying for sure, and next day would be another day phase, regardless of whether OA got lynched or not as well. Only difference is that the game would end with our night kill, and not the mislynch.
We can always kill OA as this night's kill, too.
Also, town might have forgotten about the fact that you haven't even claimed an FA yet. Might not want to bring it up until you're actually forced to by someone mentioning it.
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