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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 9:35:45 GMT -8
By the same logic you are just voting me out of spite of me voting you, even if you before didn't really believe I was scum, the fact that I casted my suspicion on you is your main reason why I am voting. Hasn't it come to your mind that I am just a regular townie that has real concrete proof of who is the scum player? All I can do is pick up on clues posted by the other players, and carefully considering them, make a choice. You should be in the exact same position as me, trying to unscramble this mess, yet you are taking the most anti-town stance possible by saying "we should be done here".
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 12:01:33 GMT -8
By the same logic you are just voting me out of spite of me voting you, even if you before didn't really believe I was scum, the fact that I casted my suspicion on you is your main reason why I am voting. Hasn't it come to your mind that I am just a regular townie that has real concrete proof of who is the scum player? All I can do is pick up on clues posted by the other players, and carefully considering them, make a choice. You should be in the exact same position as me, trying to unscramble this mess, yet you are taking the most anti-town stance possible by saying "we should be done here". What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 12:15:35 GMT -8
While you've been around the thread, you haven't made mention of my vote and reason for Terra. What do you think of it? Are you satisfied with his defense for now? Doesn't his "No reason not to" post when he did the hammer give you pause? Surely he and I suppose Salva too would have realized that it's not like the voting mattered at that point. Squidy was going to be lynched, they both tried to cash in on the vote train. You're not off the hook yet though. A reread tomorrow (RL) will probably help me sort you out. Okay, I've gotten around to double-checking my notes on Terrabyte and your accusation against him. I do agree with you that Terrabyte's readings of Squidyj are a little suspect. I believe that Terrabyte mentioned reads on Squidyj twice, and both times he kept his views rather ambiguous. He mentioned that Squidyj was playing "normal" for squid, and that squid was playinging "consistently". The second time in particular, he said that squid was playing town but he had a scum gut reading. This read that Terrabyte made is very hard to properly decipher. It does vaguely feel like it was intentionally confusing, but I do understand the situation of having mixed reads on things. Terrabyte is a player that I have had a hard time really figuring out. He was right about Bronx on Day 1, so I've been giving him credit for being town, but he hasn't really repeated that.
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 13:08:21 GMT -8
By the same logic you are just voting me out of spite of me voting you, even if you before didn't really believe I was scum, the fact that I casted my suspicion on you is your main reason why I am voting. Hasn't it come to your mind that I am just a regular townie that has real concrete proof of who is the scum player? All I can do is pick up on clues posted by the other players, and carefully considering them, make a choice. You should be in the exact same position as me, trying to unscramble this mess, yet you are taking the most anti-town stance possible by saying "we should be done here". What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses. So are you saying that the only way for town to win is to lynch me? Answer me this, if town lynches me today, and you survive the night, who would you against? Who would you vote for then?
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Post by flameac on Apr 12, 2016 13:31:19 GMT -8
Super Post Catch Up. My thoughts on each significant post. I think terra acted in the same way as I did and just followed the vote. I am still on my original theory that Sky killed Ouro due to his actions on day 1. From my point of view only Stanley and me is clean, but I also feel like flame is a townie player, so yes, right now Sky is still who I think is scum. But I have to say, it really bothers me the post that terra made when voting squid, it just feels so detached. And just after the vote he made no effort to post again, and we know there was enough time, maybe he did realized he was hammering the vote and didn't felt the need to chime in and add to the conversation. If I had to vote someone right now it would be Terra, then Sky. Okay, my thoughts on this are that I'm surprised you are going on the framing argument against SkyOdin. Is this why you think Nin died during the night? As mentioned previously, I'm with you on Terra for his Squid reasoning, that's primarily why he has my vote. I think terra acted in the same way as I did and just followed the vote. I am still on my original theory that Sky killed Ouro due to his actions on day 1. From my point of view only Stanley and me is clean, but I also feel like flame is a townie player, so yes, right now Sky is still who I think is scum. This post is a load of crap, and it's obvious for one reason: he can't decide who he want's to accuse. News flash Salva, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SCUM REMAINING! Why, if you feel Sky is scum, do you feel the need to throw shade at me and even go after me first? Could it be so you can set up the next victim after I inevitably flip town? This reasoning right here is actually very smart Terra, it gives me pause on my vote for you even. (It's still staying there though, for now at least.) As you say, there's no reason we should focus on who to lynch tomorrow and people who are trying to set up a fall back choice could be scum setting the stage for Day 4. Now, I'm not sure that there is necessarily what Salva is doing, I think he's just bringing up who he wanted to talk about today and their associated scummy baggage. This is much in the same way I stated earlier on I wanted to focus on you and SkyOdin first. Terra, why do you decide I can't decide? My post is pretty clear about who I would vote for right now and that is you, so maybe that is why you are reacting so poorly to my post. Calm down, we still have time to discuss this and you are again hastily voting, why are you in such a hurry? Do you want to kill discussion? Stanley, I am talking about the situation in general. At this point it seems almost all of us agree that flame is most likely townie, today sky has been coming hard on me and terra, and terra is only making reactionary posts so far. I voted to make a point, that being that I'm not moving on from you. My point was that if you think I'm scum, then we should done here. Why bother trying to keep suspicion on Sky if the day's just going to end and town win? The only reason that would happen would be if you think you're going to hit town, which makes me question why you think I should die in the first place. Another good post about the setting up a second target. While you've been around the thread, you haven't made mention of my vote and reason for Terra. What do you think of it? Are you satisfied with his defense for now? Doesn't his "No reason not to" post when he did the hammer give you pause? Surely he and I suppose Salva too would have realized that it's not like the voting mattered at that point. Squidy was going to be lynched, they both tried to cash in on the vote train. You're not off the hook yet though. A reread tomorrow (RL) will probably help me sort you out. Okay, I've gotten around to double-checking my notes on Terrabyte and your accusation against him. I do agree with you that Terrabyte's readings of Squidyj are a little suspect. I believe that Terrabyte mentioned reads on Squidyj twice, and both times he kept his views rather ambiguous. He mentioned that Squidyj was playing "normal" for squid, and that squid was playinging "consistently". The second time in particular, he said that squid was playing town but he had a scum gut reading. This read that Terrabyte made is very hard to properly decipher. It does vaguely feel like it was intentionally confusing, but I do understand the situation of having mixed reads on things. Terrabyte is a player that I have had a hard time really figuring out. He was right about Bronx on Day 1, so I've been giving him credit for being town, but he hasn't really repeated that. SkyOdin, I know there's not much to go on, but it still seems like you aren't willing to take a stance on Terra? Why? This post that you made just restates what I mentioned in my vote for him by calling him out on his Squidy views. Do you think he is scum? What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses. So are you saying that the only way for town to win is to lynch me? Answer me this, if town lynches me today, and you survive the night, who would you against? Who would you vote for then? This is something I think everyone should answer, it could help us a lot if we choose wrong today. For me, I'm conflicted. The argument against Salva is pretty good, but I've just got a bad feeling about Terra and think his Squidy views were telling. I will not, more then likely, be around for end of day tomorrow. (I'll be at a tutoring center getting school help.) So where ever I end up at the end of tonight will probably be it.
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Post by flameac on Apr 12, 2016 13:33:32 GMT -8
Also, remember, it only takes 3 for majority today. If there is a Day 4, whoever is alive needs to remember that just 2 would be a majority.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 13:45:17 GMT -8
Super Post Catch Up. My thoughts on each significant post. SkyOdin, I know there's not much to go on, but it still seems like you aren't willing to take a stance on Terra? Why? This post that you made just restates what I mentioned in my vote for him by calling him out on his Squidy views. Do you think he is scum? Well, the best way to put it is that I mostly agree with you on that point about Terrabyte. I say that I have trouble reading him, but at this point I should be reading him as town. That null read in of itself feels like the result of someone who is being intentionally hard to read. As a result, I am more or less reading him as scum. I am in a spot where I am more or less reading both SalvaPot and Terrabyte as scum. I am reading you (FlameAC) and StanleyPalmtree as town. And of course I know that I am town, though I know that is impossible for other people to accept at face value. Put simply, the winning strategy for me is to lynch SalvaPot and/or Terrabyte, since one of those two has to be scum, and we have exactly enough lynches left to lynch both of them and do the job thoroughly if we have to. The problem is, this method requires you and Stanley to trust me completely, which is a LOT to ask of you. One of Salva and Terra is town too, and is in the same position that I am in. At this point, we might want to consider flipping the argument. Rather than which one of me, Salva, and Terra is scum, instead, which one of us three is town. If we can simply narrow it down to two suspected scum and three trusted townies, then town wins. So, I would like to hear you and Stanley's thoughts on who among us you actually trust. It is a risky strategy though, since if at this point a scum slips into trusted townie status, then the scum will win easily. I have considered that you (again, Flame) are scum. If you are, then good game. Congrats on your victory. At this point, I am not sure I can afford to worry about that worst case scenario. I also considered the possibility that Stanley is scum, but that possibility is exactly equal to the odds of this being a stealth bastard game set up by Kawl to troll all of us.
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Post by flameac on Apr 12, 2016 14:00:26 GMT -8
Section by Section on SkyOdin's post. Well, that's a little bit more you said about Terra at least. That is an interesting way to look at things, in that we should just try and pick one town. You want to lynch Salva today and Terra tomorrow is what I'm gathering? Personally, I would rather lynch Terra and get the game over with. You're not going to get my complete trust, but I will say that you are less likely to be scum than Terra. Really, I messed up today and it threw me off. As mentioned before, I mixed up Salva and Nin which is why at the onset of today I focused on you and Terra. Now I'm just trying to refocus my attention on getting Salva straight in my mind. His play so far has seemed town-like to me and I liked his switch to Stanley. However, I really like Terra's point about how we shouldn't even look to the next day if we can just get it right today. How do you (SkyOdin), view Terra's point of view on the issue. I'm not even considering Stanley being scum, that'd have been such an obvious counterclaim opportunity, there's also no way it's a scum gambit.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 14:10:34 GMT -8
What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses. So are you saying that the only way for town to win is to lynch me? Answer me this, if town lynches me today, and you survive the night, who would you against? Who would you vote for then? Answer: yes, because I think you are scum. If I survive the night I would look at who is still alive, read through the entire thread with that new info... And vote for stanley! /s Actually, I don't know. If you end up flipping town, I'd have to completely re-evaluate this game.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 14:22:03 GMT -8
BTW, nice bait Salva. You and I both know that was a loaded question if I ever saw one. We all know itball boils down to You, me, and Sky at this point it time. If you die and I live, OF COURSE I would have to go after sky, process of elimination and all that. But no, I refuse to play your game.
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 15:13:03 GMT -8
Terra, do you think flame is town?
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 12, 2016 15:16:44 GMT -8
Right now I am between you, terra, and Sky as the people I suspect the most. Saying I "know" one of you two is scum would be both foolish and silly, and the fact that you are sure enough of my scumminess that if I flip town you'll have to "reevaluate the game" tells me you either are not taking this seriously enough or that you already know I am town and are just trying to get town to follow your bandwaggon.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 15:30:24 GMT -8
Section by Section on SkyOdin's post. Well, that's a little bit more you said about Terra at least. ... However, I really like Terra's point about how we shouldn't even look to the next day if we can just get it right today. How do you (SkyOdin), view Terra's point of view on the issue. Honestly, I don't like Terrabyte's way of thinking there at all. We aren't in a position to work with absolute certainty. Of course there is always a doubt, and a back-up plan is a sensible thing to have. It is also a case that me, SalvaPot, and Terra's choices are fundamentally limited to two people. All of us can more or less agree that you and StanleyPalmtree are town. With that being the case, my suspects are limited to Salva and Terra, while Salva's are limited to me and Terra. Likewise, Terra's are limited to me and Salva. The only way out of that is to accuse you or Stanley. For all three of us, are votes on a theoretical Day 5 are more or less automatic. It is you and Stanley who will be making the final choice on that day. Well, there is a catch of course: if the mafia kills you or Stanley tonight, which is highly likely. Though, that won't fundamentally change the problem, it just means that the survivor of you two will be in the position to determine whether or not town wins or loses. No pressure. So, even in a worst case scenario, at least town has 50/50 odds of winning. Sorry, this has been a bit of a tangent. But I want to make the point that Terrabyte's line of reasoning is rather weak and silly for something that he has been pushing so aggressively. To be honest, while I started today leaning towards lynching SalvaPot over him, Terra's posts from today have been giving a similar vibe to what I felt from Squidyj's at the start of Day 2. They feel... desperately aggressive. In comparison, SalvaPot has been saying sensical things so far. It doesn't absolve him of the scumminess I've seen in him all game, but his points are logical. So right now, I am leaning towards voting for Terrabyte.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 15:36:59 GMT -8
By the same logic you are just voting me out of spite of me voting you, even if you before didn't really believe I was scum, the fact that I casted my suspicion on you is your main reason why I am voting. Hasn't it come to your mind that I am just a regular townie that has real concrete proof of who is the scum player? All I can do is pick up on clues posted by the other players, and carefully considering them, make a choice. You should be in the exact same position as me, trying to unscramble this mess, yet you are taking the most anti-town stance possible by saying "we should be done here". What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses. This si the sort of post that has been making me suspicious of you, Terrabyte. It is doomsaying that if you are lynched, town will somehow suffer. You stop just short of lying and saying that town will lose if you are lynched, but you are trying to make it sound like it is something close and inevitable. But if you are town and flip, then town still has good odds of winning. Overall, town is in a really great position! We have one scum, a free mislynch, and two people that people can confidently call town. Using up that mislynch isn't a huge set-back. As I just said, it just means that town has 50-50 odds at worst tomorrow. That's not a bad position to be in. Honestly, the only person who should be feeling pressured today is the one remaining scum. This is the calm before the storm for town.
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Post by skyodin on Apr 12, 2016 15:42:58 GMT -8
To be clear about how good of a position town is in, if we were to vote between me, Terra, and Salva randomly both today and tomorrow (pure dice rolls), then town has a two out of three chance of winning. Again, I am presuming that Flame isn't scum laughing at us all from behind our backs, but again that feels highly unlikely.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 16:35:24 GMT -8
What concrete proof? You casting suspicion on me is only half the equation, the other half is that you kept saying to look at sky next. IF I AM SCUM, YOU HAVE ALREDY WON! My point is we shouldn't be looking at next time until next time comes, because next thing you know, sky is dead at night and turned up town. Only I guarantee you that if I die, I WILL flip town, Stanley WILL die at night, and you WILL push to kill Sky. And if I am RIGHT, town looses. This si the sort of post that has been making me suspicious of you, Terrabyte. It is doomsaying that if you are lynched, town will somehow suffer. You stop just short of lying and saying that town will lose if you are lynched, but you are trying to make it sound like it is something close and inevitable. But if you are town and flip, then town still has good odds of winning. Overall, town is in a really great position! We have one scum, a free mislynch, and two people that people can confidently call town. Using up that mislynch isn't a huge set-back. As I just said, it just means that town has 50-50 odds at worst tomorrow. That's not a bad position to be in. Honestly, the only person who should be feeling pressured today is the one remaining scum. This is the calm before the storm for town. I'm melodrmatically grandstanding to get attention to make a point. I'm taking a Darryl-like approach because at this point in the game it can only benefit town. Even if I die, you guys will see that my intentions have been nothing but pure and my points will be more taken into account. I feel no pressure at all, I just want to see scum lynched, and I think Salva is scum, ergo, kill SalvaPot.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 16:37:05 GMT -8
I mean, let's be honest, what does scum Terra have to gain from acting this way? Even if I DO survive, my actions today just make me public enemy number one tomorrow. Think about it.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 16:40:39 GMT -8
Terra, do you think flame is town? Yes. Right now I am between you, terra, and Sky as the people I suspect the most. Saying I "know" one of you two is scum would be both foolish and silly, and the fact that you are sure enough of my scumminess that if I flip town you'll have to "reevaluate the game" tells me you either are not taking this seriously enough or that you already know I am town and are just trying to get town to follow your bandwaggon. You want the truth? Fine, I would go after Sky.
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Post by flameac on Apr 12, 2016 17:19:19 GMT -8
I mean, let's be honest, what does scum Terra have to gain from acting this way? Even if I DO survive, my actions today just make me public enemy number one tomorrow. Think about it. You see, you and Salva and SkyOdin are all public enemy number one tomorrow, depending how the rest of today and the night go. It's not like you or Salva/SkyOdin could hide if you wanted to. I think your behavior today, Day 3, is better than it was earlier in the game, but I'm still not really convinced. I still think you are the best choice for today, and honestly, this might be one of the last posts I get to make in the game, assuming scum kills either Stanley or myself. (They have literally no reason not too.)
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 12, 2016 17:49:32 GMT -8
Welp, I tried, if you guys want to drag this out to LyLo go right ahead. I've place my vote so if nothing I say can convince you, I'm just gonna bug out. I'll keep eyes on the thread in case there's something else you want to talk about.
Peace.
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Post by Kawl on Apr 12, 2016 18:03:53 GMT -8
Vote count: Terrabyte (1) FlameAC SalvaPot (1)Terrabyte SkyOdinNo votes currently placed (3)SkyOdin SalvaPot StanleyPalmtree Majority is 3. Please be aware and stop posting once majority is hit if I can't be here immediately due to work. Day 3 Ends:
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Post by Kawl on Apr 12, 2016 18:04:14 GMT -8
Oh, no votes currently placed has 3 votes, that's majority!
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Post by Kawl on Apr 12, 2016 18:04:30 GMT -8
Heh, jokes, I got 'em.
I'm here all week. But not actually as I'm going to bed.
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Post by flameac on Apr 12, 2016 19:22:00 GMT -8
Last post I think before the next night phase. (Might sneak one more in later tonight or I might get done early tomorrow, not likely though.)
Stanley, I want you to post your thoughts, one of us is probably not going to make it to Day 4. I think I've made how I feel clear, but you've literally made two posts today.
What are your thoughts on the Terra/Salva/SkyOdin situation, who do you think we should go with?
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Post by stanleypalmtree on Apr 12, 2016 22:38:58 GMT -8
yeah, sorry i haven't been posting much, i didnt want one of any of our suspects to latch on to whatever i said in an attempt to avoid suspicion (not that i had much to add anyway).
re-reading through the previous days, and given today's proceedings, i still think that i trust odin, i get nothing but town feelings from him. and flame i think is town for pretty obvious reason.
so of course that leaves Salva and Terra, both of whom i feel pretty equally suspect, and wouldnt you know it, we have two lynchings left, oh happy days! i would go with lynching Salva today, as his posts read more like he is also trying to set up a play for tomorrow, whereas terra is clearly trying to end things today. now this could totally just be good acting on terras part, which is why i would advocate the survivors to lynch Terra tomorrow if salva flips town.
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Post by stanleypalmtree on Apr 13, 2016 6:06:30 GMT -8
well i wont be here for the days end, so i better vote now.
Vote: salvapotter
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Post by Kawl on Apr 13, 2016 6:41:57 GMT -8
Vote count: Terrabyte (1) FlameAC SalvaPot (2)Terrabyte SkyOdinStanleyPalmtree No votes currently placed (2)SkyOdin SalvaPot Majority is 3. Please be aware and stop posting once majority is hit if I can't be here immediately due to work. Day 3 Ends:
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Post by skyodin on Apr 13, 2016 8:36:22 GMT -8
I think I'll hold off on my vote for a little longer. I'm probably going to vote for SalvaPot, but I don't want to hammer the vote quite yet, in case Salva or Terra still have anything to say or any votes of their own to change.
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Post by SalvaPot on Apr 13, 2016 10:42:11 GMT -8
Well, I am surprised Stanley wants to vote me out because I was clear about my hunches and logical about them, and its bullshit that Terra, who has acted volatile and reactionary all the game and who when under pressure has shown obvious cracks its getting a pass "Because he wants to end it today".
Well, no shit Stanley, I also want to end it today, but I am not 100% sure that Terra is the correct choice, so what will happen if I die today or tonight? Well, my opinion is there for everyone to see. I am sure the last scum member is either terra or sky, of that I am, without a doubt, certain, but its still a flip of the coin.
If I am lynched today then those odds die with me. Tonight Stanley is obviously going to be killed, and flame, sky and terra will survive. I heavily doubt they will vote flame, so it will be up to him to decide the fate of town.
I am a regular townie, always have been. When I flip town let terra "heavily reconsider the game". Oh, whats that? The game didn't end today with my flip? Well then Terra must be feeling preeeetty bad then.
When I die lynch terra, I leave that to you flame and sky (And stanley if you survive the night).
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Post by skyodin on Apr 13, 2016 11:36:15 GMT -8
At this juncture, I have no choice but to vote. I can't let us remain tied.
It is a hard choice, and I have been back and forth quite a bit over it, but I think I will go with Terra.
Vote: Terrabyte
I hope this ends it. If it doesn't, see you all tomorrow.
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