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Post by Fireblend on Nov 4, 2015 19:44:36 GMT -8
I take it no one got a doll last night? Right now I'd prefer a no lynch, at least then we have a 1 in 3 chance to hit scum instead of 1 in 4 If we do a no lynch, chances are Ty will get NK'ed and I don't think that's an improvement over the current situation. Or, he doesn't die in order to make us suspicious of him in one final #KOJIMAGAMBIT. Either way I don't think it's worth it to end with a no lynch today.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 4, 2015 19:57:30 GMT -8
So, right now my 2 major suspects are Palmer and Splinter. I'm leaning towards Splinter but to be honest that's because I haven't really looked at Palmer's actions and Splinter's confrontation with Cabot yesterday is fresh on my memory. But then again why would a scum player expose themselves like that? It's not like he was going to save Gorlak, so why dare Cabot to vote for him? Then again this *is* Splinter. And should I just assume Ty isn't scum? We have to work under some assumption I guess, but he may be exploiting his slip-up during the tie gambit. Eh, I'm going to re-read through the thread and see what comes up. Ugh...
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Post by Splinter on Nov 4, 2015 23:04:01 GMT -8
So, right now my 2 major suspects are Palmer and Splinter. I'm leaning towards Splinter but to be honest that's because I haven't really looked at Palmer's actions and Splinter's confrontation with Cabot yesterday is fresh on my memory. But then again why would a scum player expose themselves like that? It's not like he was going to save Gorlak, so why dare Cabot to vote for him? Then again this *is* Splinter. And should I just assume Ty isn't scum? We have to work under some assumption I guess, but he may be exploiting his slip-up during the tie gambit. Eh, I'm going to re-read through the thread and see what comes up. Ugh... Well if we're ruling Ty out that leaves me with Palmer/Fireblend... Fire is the only one I've had real suspicions of but he's been town as fuk lately. Also my reads have been literally the worst this game I tend to agree about Ty btw, it would have been a really dumb slip up if he had outed himself like I thought, and I think he's smarter than that. Also when I read through it again I could see how his explanation fit, hence my testing of Cabot yesterday. Also I retract my idea to no lynch - I still don't think it's a bad idea but I just remembered Black Ops releases in... 16 hours 56 minutes and some seconds...
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Post by palmer on Nov 4, 2015 23:35:16 GMT -8
I take it no one got a doll last night? Right now I'd prefer a no lynch, at least then we have a 1 in 3 chance to hit scum instead of 1 in 4 If we do a no lynch, chances are Ty will get NK'ed and I don't think that's an improvement over the current situation. Or, he doesn't die in order to make us suspicious of him in one final #KOJIMAGAMBIT. Either way I don't think it's worth it to end with a no lynch today. This makes no sense. It seriously reads like you're trying to bait Ty into wasting a vet charge or throw suspicion on him so you dont have to deal with his ability at night. Theres no way scum targets him for nk. Makes me think your vote on gorlak that almost got scum a tie was no coincidence either. More importantly, we're all being pretty dumb about something. I forgot until i reading through d2 again. Splinter was blocked n1 and n2 so he can't possibly be the person who gave out dolls. The ONLY lynch choices today should be Fireblend, me, or no lynch. Vote: FireblendIll post more tomorrow but im going to bed for now. Btw, no lynch might be a wash anyway. Scum could just throw dolls at us and skip the night kill until hes wasted all of Tys charges or killed us via dolls.
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Post by Splinter on Nov 5, 2015 4:37:57 GMT -8
Awesome, fuckin' love THUNDERDOMES
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 4:53:30 GMT -8
Agh, you're right. I forgot about his vet role. Yeah, scum wouldn't kill Ty. And I've been reading through the thread and I think the fact that Sorian said he'd roleblock Splinter on N2 is about as solid an assumption as can be made right now, so you're right. It's either me or you.
VOTE: Palmer
I know the odds are against me, but please don't turbo me, Splinter, Ty. I have to at least try to defend myself. Read through how I've payed and what I've said so far. Nothing points to me being scum. What I've said about my vote on Gorlak has been the truth. I'm nothing more than a cardboard box.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 5:13:03 GMT -8
Also, should I remind you guys who didn't vote for either Gorlak or L_P during the tie shenanigans? Did you chicken out, Palmer? Were you against the plan the whole time, or was it a last minute decision when you realized a tie didn't guarantee victory for you guys? Ouro hasn't been posting how many players are left after each night phase, it's understandable you guys got confused. Things have certainly heated up. I've delayed my reads for too long though. Fire is the "obvious" choice. That doesn't mean I'm certain he is scum, but everything lines up. He just happened to vote on the person whom scum tried to tie the vote with. He just happened to forget voting on L_P (maybe I shouldn't make fun of this...). Splinter is kinda the opposite, but that doesn't make the leads especially good either way. I need to go over him much more in-depth. Cabot is seemingly very pro town, but his medic claim doesn't seem genuine to me and even if he is it wouldn't be the best for town to claim. Palmer has probably fooled me because despite not being terribly active and being one of the few to never suspect Gorlak I think he looks town. Come on, you've been ignoring me all day. You have it the other way around. Scum tried to tie the vote with the person I had voted for because if there's 3 scum out there, they needed someone other than themselves to help them get that tie. If I was scum, and scum had planned to tie the vote, it wouldn't have done so with Gorlak, another scum player. We could have chosen say, Palmer, or Kalor and had a whole day to try to get someone to vote for him so we could rush-vote him out/tie with L_P. Since I had my vote on Gorlak, however, scum couldn't afford that luxury, and had no other choice but to attempt to vote on Gorlak, which made Gorlak vote for himself and out himself as scum. If they could have afforded a choice, they wouldn't have attempted a tie with Gorlak.Please refute this post of mine, Palmer. Why would I have placed my vote on Gorlak if I was scum? If I was scum, why place it on a scum player? #THUNDERDOME
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 5:27:15 GMT -8
Also, should I remind you guys who didn't vote for either Gorlak or L_P during the tie shenanigans? Did you chicken out, Palmer? Were you against the plan the whole time, or was it a last minute decision when you realized a tie didn't guarantee victory for you guys? Ouro hasn't been posting how many players are left after each night phase, it's understandable you guys got confused. Come on, you've been ignoring me all day. You have it the other way around. Scum tried to tie the vote with the person I had voted for because if there's 3 scum out there, they needed someone other than themselves to help them get that tie. If I was scum, and scum had planned to tie the vote, it wouldn't have done so with Gorlak, another scum player. We could have chosen say, Palmer, or Kalor and had a whole day to try to get someone to vote for him so we could rush-vote him out/tie with L_P. Since I had my vote on Gorlak, however, scum couldn't afford that luxury, and had no other choice but to attempt to vote on Gorlak, which made Gorlak vote for himself and out himself as scum. If they could have afforded a choice, they wouldn't have attempted a tie with Gorlak.Please refute this post of mine, Palmer. Why would I have placed my vote on Gorlak if I was scum? If I was scum, why place it on a scum player? #THUNDERDOME Because they were both scum with no other valid choices? Theres no way anyone else was getting lynched. You also had your vote on him early enough that you could pretend not to be involved with last second shenanigans. Several of us made it clear we were voting LP out. I wouldn't have considered it at all if you hadn't tried to twist it on ty and pretend your gorlak vote was some master plan.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 5:42:16 GMT -8
Also, should I remind you guys who didn't vote for either Gorlak or L_P during the tie shenanigans? Did you chicken out, Palmer? Were you against the plan the whole time, or was it a last minute decision when you realized a tie didn't guarantee victory for you guys? Ouro hasn't been posting how many players are left after each night phase, it's understandable you guys got confused. Please refute this post of mine, Palmer. Why would I have placed my vote on Gorlak if I was scum? If I was scum, why place it on a scum player? #THUNDERDOME Because they were both scum with no other valid choices? Theres no way anyone else was getting lynched. You also had your vote on him early enough that you could pretend not to be involved with last second shenanigans. Several of us made it clear we were voting LP out. I wouldn't have considered it at all if you hadn't tried to twist it on ty and pretend your gorlak vote was some master plan. I wasn't seriously implying my vote had been a grand strategy, I've said that already, I didn't think anyone would take that post seriously. And yeah, of course you said you'd vote for L_P, Gorlak did too, until he didn't. I've already talked about why I had my vote on Gorlak. I suspected him, and I didn't think the L_P train needed any extra boost.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 5:50:38 GMT -8
Because they were both scum with no other valid choices? Theres no way anyone else was getting lynched. You also had your vote on him early enough that you could pretend not to be involved with last second shenanigans. Several of us made it clear we were voting LP out. I wouldn't have considered it at all if you hadn't tried to twist it on ty and pretend your gorlak vote was some master plan. I wasn't seriously implying my vote had been a grand strategy, I've said that already, I didn't think anyone would take that post seriously. And yeah, of course you said you'd vote for L_P, Gorlak did too, until he didn't. I've already talked about why I had my vote on Gorlak. I suspected him, and I didn't think the L_P train needed any extra boost. Honestly, my lack of vote does make me just as culpable as you in the cote shenanigans. Heading to work but ill check in when i can. Good luck guys.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 6:09:47 GMT -8
Splinter, Ty, thoughts?
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Post by Splinter on Nov 5, 2015 6:17:15 GMT -8
Palmer is good at this
No idea
Ty?
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 5, 2015 7:17:06 GMT -8
Leaning Fire as well. I'm a bit busy, but looking back at D2 votes we see proven scum voting for most of the proven townies, but Gorlak and L_P never voted for Fire. gafia.boards.net/post/2431/threadDay 3 Gorlak never voted for L_P and neither did Fire. Both Splinter and Palmer voted for L_P at one point though. gafia.boards.net/post/3263/thread
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 7:18:48 GMT -8
Yeah, this is bad. To be honest, I've been looking through Palmer's posts and I can't say he still reads 100% as scum even with my assumptions, but I don't want to throw them away (Sorian roleblocking Splinter on N2 which would've prevented him from giving Pop the doll, Ty reading town to me yesterday and him being present for the tie maneuver, plus his role claim does make sense given L_P's NK immunity as palmer pointed out). Whatever remains must be the truth, right? But Palmer strikes me as inquisitive throughout the whole game, correctly calling out contradictions and agreeing with the right people. He does seem to be more interested about the meta aspects of the game than the game itself, but isn't that how he usually plays? I mean, here's some stuff I found from early in the game: My current reads: Scrafty - She seems very intent on Sorian, who I read as town. I also inherently dislike when people adopt different personas, since it makes it harder to read them from game to game. That just always seems shady to me. Matt - Dead. Unsure of why he would have been targeted, other than for the very reason that he hadn't stood out, and was a "safe" kill. Sorian - like 80% sure he's town. Maybe I haven't been in enough games with him, but he seems to be posting fairly consistently, and though he fucked up with swamped, it wasn't something scum would have spearheaded IMO. I don't yet understand his reversal on GC, but hopefully that will have been explained by the time I wake back up. Coppanuva - I need to go back and look at his posts, cause I got to his name on this list and drew a complete blank. He did have a good idea about how to handle pop's claim. Hyperactivity - I feel like something strange is going on here. He was pretty certain we have a SK, and is really going after GC a bit for his weird, possibly vig related claim. Does he have some info about the second killer? Seems to be acting the same as he did in Election, so I'm not sure if this is just his normal game, or if this is his scum game again. Kalor - Hard to get a read on him. He's just not a high volume posters. I'm worried that might let him skate through, but he hasn't been particularly suspicious in any way to me. Roytheone - Dead. Starting to sound like maybe GC killed him with some passive night action? Cabot - He's gone awfully quiet about the current issues, but it might just be the time zones. I still trust him about 80% as well. He's playing the same as previously. He's also one of the ones I worry about because I think he will be a total pain in the ass if he ever IS scum. Splinter - I trust him for now. He was targeted by someone, but hasn't been outed or accused of anything, which makes me think it was either town that didn't find anything incriminating, or scum that wanted to test his NK immune claim. The two others deaths make me think it's the former, but there's a chance this is me overthinking it like the fucking message from hyperactivity in the last game. Gorlak - He's another one going after Sorian. He's at least been more consistent about it than some others. Fireblend - Seriously dude? Do you want to lynch me so bad again that you are conflating me with scum from a game I never even played? Watching him closely. Swamped - Lynched. I joked about her not being scum, which I probably shouldn't have, due to Gambler's Fallacy, as people rightly pointed out. I really did think she was town though. Regardless of that, I'm annoyed she got lynched, but our odds of getting scum on D1 is pretty low, and it's better to get a cardboard box than a PR. She seemed resigned to her fate. Lone_Prodigy - Basically the same as Kalor. Low post count that is hard to read. Palmer - Fairly worthless D1, but will hopefully be contributing more now that he has returned! GreatCharleston - I don't get what he's up to, but hopefully we will have more info to act on soon. Pop-o-Matic - I'm like 75% town on him. There's a chance he's just a Mafia tracker. It's low risk because even then he's just one person we don't need to role-block. We'll see if the PR he targeted survives or not. Gives a little credit to Gorlak and says L_P was hard to read. This was very early in the game though, so it's as good as useless. Of the 4, my order would be GC > fire > hyper > sorian. To start breaking this tie, ill concede to everyone about gc. Vote: Fireblend I may not be around at deadline, please son't turn this into another mass claim! Gives a suspects list which includes neither L_P or Gorlak. This was a bit more into the game, but it's hardly damning. He also was a big proponent for lynching Coppa, but eh, I agreed with him. Maybe as scum he felt he was doing well enough that lynching a neutral was something they could get behind and get some goodwill, but it's sort of a stretch? He did on a couple of occasions tell Kalor who to target during the night "keep protecting Pop", maybe to make sure he'd never protect their night target? Also he did seem to be aware of how many players were left the day L_P was lynched. And 1 and 3 and 4 MAY have just been answered, but it's incredibly convenient. Again. We have 8 people left. It's definitely MYLO, and maybe LYLO. Unless we have something else concrete, we have to lynch L_P. We also know the dolls aren't protective in nature now. This contradicts one of my theories for why scum even tried the tie maneuver when pulling it off wasn't a win guarantee. Maybe they really wanted something like this to happen? Day 3: 5 town vs. 3 mafia, Tie on day 3. Day 4: 4 town vs. 3 mafia, Town lynches Gorlak Day 5: 3 town vs. 2 mafia, Town lynches L_P Day 6: 2 town vs. 1 mafia ...and we arrive here with one less town than we have now? That's one heck of a risky strategy in exchange for one townie. And then what? try to blame me like they should be doing now? In other thoughts, the fact that Gorlak and L_P sprung to my defense when I was almost lynched hasn't escaped me, so maybe regardless they've been planning to make me their final push target since early in the game: What is this? It's surprising to see how quickly you all decided to get rid of Fireblend. I do not have any specific read on him, and his read list/vote didn't add up, but damn the day was so close to end right there. Scrafty and GC both put Fireblend dangerously close to turbo. To be fair Ouro didn't post a vote count until Scrafty voted, but there was a bandwagon developing and I think they should've been a little more cautious. Would scum have sprung like that in defense of their teammate when he was already out of danger? Ugh. Is there any possibility L_P's NK immunity was meant to go without an analogous town role? A sort of "final boss" for town that had to be lynched during the day? Coppa was never forthcoming with us, are we sure CG's vet claim wasn't super a convenient claim and that Ty didn't suddenly pass out during the tie shenanigans? I'm sort of kidding. It's gotta be Palmer. Splinter, Ty, my preemptive congratulations if either of you is scum. Damn you Sorian if for some reason you didn't role block Splinter on N2. Not sure what else I can say. Suddenly I wish Cabot's theory about Gorlak being a lynch bomb had been true :P it may have been the best for town. Speaking of which, Palmer did offer himself to be the hammer: If we are seriously worried about a lynch bomb, have me or fireblend do it. Maybe knowing Gorlak wasn't a bomb made him confident about saying that, but of course, he said it after I did so I could be guilty of the same thing. Anyway, I gotta get some work done. See you guys later. And I still don't think a NL would do us any good. It's been a good game.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 7:54:02 GMT -8
Ill post in depth later. For now, my biggest issue is that you're still throwing casual accusations at other people. Worse is claiming its just jokes. It reads like scum fishing for additional angles if you cant get them to lynch me. Youre not going to convince me to vote for ty or splinter.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 7:57:20 GMT -8
I'm not voting for anyone other than you, and I don't want anyone voting for anyone other than you.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 7:58:20 GMT -8
I'm not voting for anyone other than you, and I don't want anyone voting for anyone other than you. #ThunderDome
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 8:00:23 GMT -8
I'm trying to be as forthcoming with my thoughts as I re-read the thread as I can. CG's claim was a big point of discussion, and enough people who flipped town discussed the issue that I still feel a ping of suspicion towards Ty. So I mentioned it because at this point hiding thoughts is not pro-town. Maybe someone had some other thought and it connects with that one in some way and reveals something? We're in a desperate situation, the odds are against me and I'm trying to not regret not mentioning anything in my mind by the time this is over.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 5, 2015 9:29:33 GMT -8
Palmer is good at this No idea Ty? One more thing: Why do you suddenly trust me? You seemed pretty sure I was scum.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 5, 2015 10:21:43 GMT -8
Posts like these is why I'm far from certain that Fire is scum: That's certainly a possibility but I'm more inclined to believe the veteran story for now. It's a shame all it was really good for was taking out our investigator (possibly) but having that night bomb could be handy as time goes on.
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Another random question looking through the thread. Lone_Prodigy, you didn't vote yesterday, are you planning to vote this day phase? And which way are you leaning, I see your reads list from yesterday so that's fine but I'd like you to put yourself out there a bit.
My other alternatives are Fireblend and you. Fireblend is usually more prominent and while I think he mentioned real life, his absence is puzzling. As for you, yes you drive discussion and generate talking points but if you survive today and tonight then the suspicion only grows. Also, we'll have more information to go on based on flips and bodies, so you become less useful. It's going to be a point of contention every day ("why is Sorian still alive?") and I think we can do without the distraction. Hey. Damn, sorry I've been participating a lot less than I anticipated. Yeah, I slipped up thinking Palmer was in the NX game. It was Darryl I was thinking about - if NX is anything to go by that's gonna get me lynched, haha. I was trying to say Palmer was being suspiciously quiet, but that isn't even a valid point since he's pretty active now and I don't really see any reason for going after him. I'm not 100% up to date with what has been happening, but assuming I didn't miss anything super major here are some reads: Palmer: As I said, nothing against him. He was absent on day 1 but he's been active throughout this one and nothing he's said strikes me as fluff or anything. Sorian: I think his demonstration of being able to get a bandwagon going was a bit scary, at least he himself attempted to put a stop to it, but then again I wonder if that was because he knew he'd be blamed for it if GC got lynched and flipped town. Scrafty: Mostly flying under the radar. I don't disagree with anything in her reads though. Cabot: Probably the one who's reading town the most to me. Fairly active and with useful posts. Great Charleston: His claims strike me as suspicious; I agree that he sounds like a neutral and I said before I think neutrals should be dealt with, even if they pretend to be useful. Too risky to keep them around. Gorlak: Also reading town, though not as much as Cabot. Posts seem substantiated and well thought. Splinter: Seems to be playing very different from day 1. I like that he didn't jump on the GC bandwagon - that may tell us something later. Kalor: I just read through the day and I can't recall one single post from Kalor. He did post but nothing struck me as particularly telling. Pop-O-Matic: At this point lynching him would be useless. If he remains alive it will be more telling than if we lynch him now, though we'd be forced to do so at some point if Mafia decides to let him live to keep us second-guessing. Coppanuva: Reading him slightly town. Not much to say. Hyperactivity: Another 50/50; hasn't seemed to post much. Lone_Prodigy: Another 50/50; hasn't seemed to post much. Just to have my post somewhere: Vote: HyperactivityPlayers I'd be ok with lynching atm: Hyper, L_P, GC. Palmer seemed to suggest Hyper may be a PR though, so maybe hold off on him? None of his post really read like that to me, so I'd like him to speak up a bit, maybe post some reads. I would like to know people's reads of him too, I noticed Scrafty skipped him in her reads. Welp, it feels like you read more in roys posts. I'm inclined to vote GC, because this "joke" hurt town more than anything, but I do not know where the count is at and he should have a chance to provide his view. Aside from him, it's still you Sorian (reasons see past posts) and someone in the low posting group of Kalor, Fireblend, L_P and Hyper has to be scum but I can't offer anything concrete on them.
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Post by Splinter on Nov 5, 2015 10:24:26 GMT -8
Palmer is good at this No idea Ty? One more thing: Why do you suddenly trust me? You seemed pretty sure I was scum. I read through the tied vote situation again. Your explanation of your comments makes more sense than "scum can't count"
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 10:55:32 GMT -8
Posts like these is why I'm far from certain that Fire is scum: My other alternatives are Fireblend and you. Fireblend is usually more prominent and while I think he mentioned real life, his absence is puzzling. As for you, yes you drive discussion and generate talking points but if you survive today and tonight then the suspicion only grows. Also, we'll have more information to go on based on flips and bodies, so you become less useful. It's going to be a point of contention every day ("why is Sorian still alive?") and I think we can do without the distraction. Hey. Damn, sorry I've been participating a lot less than I anticipated. Yeah, I slipped up thinking Palmer was in the NX game. It was Darryl I was thinking about - if NX is anything to go by that's gonna get me lynched, haha. I was trying to say Palmer was being suspiciously quiet, but that isn't even a valid point since he's pretty active now and I don't really see any reason for going after him. I'm not 100% up to date with what has been happening, but assuming I didn't miss anything super major here are some reads: Palmer: As I said, nothing against him. He was absent on day 1 but he's been active throughout this one and nothing he's said strikes me as fluff or anything. Sorian: I think his demonstration of being able to get a bandwagon going was a bit scary, at least he himself attempted to put a stop to it, but then again I wonder if that was because he knew he'd be blamed for it if GC got lynched and flipped town. Scrafty: Mostly flying under the radar. I don't disagree with anything in her reads though. Cabot: Probably the one who's reading town the most to me. Fairly active and with useful posts. Great Charleston: His claims strike me as suspicious; I agree that he sounds like a neutral and I said before I think neutrals should be dealt with, even if they pretend to be useful. Too risky to keep them around. Gorlak: Also reading town, though not as much as Cabot. Posts seem substantiated and well thought. Splinter: Seems to be playing very different from day 1. I like that he didn't jump on the GC bandwagon - that may tell us something later. Kalor: I just read through the day and I can't recall one single post from Kalor. He did post but nothing struck me as particularly telling. Pop-O-Matic: At this point lynching him would be useless. If he remains alive it will be more telling than if we lynch him now, though we'd be forced to do so at some point if Mafia decides to let him live to keep us second-guessing. Coppanuva: Reading him slightly town. Not much to say. Hyperactivity: Another 50/50; hasn't seemed to post much. Lone_Prodigy: Another 50/50; hasn't seemed to post much. Just to have my post somewhere: Vote: HyperactivityPlayers I'd be ok with lynching atm: Hyper, L_P, GC. Palmer seemed to suggest Hyper may be a PR though, so maybe hold off on him? None of his post really read like that to me, so I'd like him to speak up a bit, maybe post some reads. I would like to know people's reads of him too, I noticed Scrafty skipped him in her reads. Welp, it feels like you read more in roys posts. I'm inclined to vote GC, because this "joke" hurt town more than anything, but I do not know where the count is at and he should have a chance to provide his view. Aside from him, it's still you Sorian (reasons see past posts) and someone in the low posting group of Kalor, Fireblend, L_P and Hyper has to be scum but I can't offer anything concrete on them. What about my post attracts your attention? I'm guessing you're saying that L_P wouldn't have mentioned me as a potential lynch target along with Sorian, and Gorlak wouldn't have mentioned both of his partners as suspicious people if I was scum, which are fair reads. But there's plenty in that reads list of mine - what about it? My Palmer/Darryl mix up? The reads are as good as useless considering those were pretty early in the game IMO. Please share your train of thought.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 10:58:16 GMT -8
Ty, it's not at all unusual to apply pressure to scum teammates. If you don't prep the bus early, nobody will buy it when you try to execute. In this case, I think they got hosed by POP catching LP when I don't think anyone BUT pop suspected him of anything.
Your first quote is fairly classic scum. He throws a little suspicion at him, but it's couched in a pre-made excuse, and tied together in a bigger accusation at his real target, who turned out to be a Town Power role. I bet my life Gorlak posted in the scum forum to prod Fire for a response before others actually piled on. Also, note that I was a big defender of Sorian before anything got revealed. Same for Swamped. They've both proven themselves good players, so if I was scum, why would I defend them when I could have ignored them and let town lynch them?
Second quote, i'm less sure of your point, if it's meant to defend Fire? He sort of clears me. Goes after Sorian. Clears Gorlak. Null reads LP. Goes after you(this is telling to me. Scum would be trying to get you lynched since your role is so dangerous). Then he null read basically everyone else.
Third quote, again, is him going after the Veteran and Sorian.
Did I misunderstand something?
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 11:05:19 GMT -8
It's not unusual either to set up reads, defenses and accusations so that when you're lynched it's not painfully obvious who you were partners with and your remaining scum-mates can points towards the people you set up as "obvious scum".
When playing as scum, deciding on a "fake scum team" for each member so that they can point at them later and confuse town if they're discovered is a pretty common thing.
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Post by Splinter on Nov 5, 2015 11:07:53 GMT -8
Alright, I have no faith in my reads this game and no intention of digging through the thread. Fire seems the more suspicious, especially comparing the reads lists that have been posted (thanks guys).
There isn't a whole lot to choose from between the two, but I'm going to Occam's razor this shit and vote Fire. If Palmer is scum then gg buddy you've played a solid game.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 11:09:52 GMT -8
I'm going to refuse to give up until I can't continue fighting.
Splinter, what do you think of what happened during D4 with L_P's lynch? What do you think my intention was when voting for Gorlak?
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 11:17:49 GMT -8
I agree. I was legitimately confused on what I was supposed to be seeing as evidence. I don't know what to think. Other than seeming a bit inactive at times, and a few weird things today, I have not really read you as scum. You did piss me off with the NX confusion cause I'm still mildly bitter about Election, but I still figured you were probably town.
I'm worried I'm making the same Election mistake again regarding Splinter. We know he couldn't give a doll to whoever got it N1, right? Then Sorian definitely seemed like he was going to block Splinter again N2, so he couldn't have given it to pop. Blah.
The way he's waiting for Ty concerns me. Like he's ready to hammer as soon as Ty votes.
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Post by palmer on Nov 5, 2015 11:20:49 GMT -8
Nevermind, he posted, so that kills the quickhammer suspicion that was growing.
I do not relish being in Ty's shoes.
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 11:21:05 GMT -8
Sorian: I'm going straight after you in whichever game we end up playing next if you didn't roleblock Splinter on N2. Also, I feel like we need a good final fight song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0(I know very little of MGS. I only know this is probably the best song in the franchise.)
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Post by Fireblend on Nov 5, 2015 11:22:06 GMT -8
I mean, he would have at least mentioned it to Kalor during his medium sessions, no?
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