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Post by Kalor on Jan 12, 2016 8:44:48 GMT -8
The massive defense around Scrafty bothers me. It seems every single time someone mentions 'maybe let's lynch her' you get 2 or 3 people saying why that's maybe not the best without giving concrete reasons as to why that is. Maybe I was not as clear with my reasons against her as I originally thought I was but that still doesn't excuse her defense squad ( Sorian, Roy, Corn ). Sorian and Roy are really bugging me, namely because both are still around and their posts haven't sat right with me today, they feel 'off'. Regardless, that's a focus for when night falls and when a kill must be decided. I want to focus on now, in this ethereal room filled with ghosts, because so far we have done little to really get things going here in order to find our Scum ghost. That's not good. Vote: Kalor I'm not going to retread ground with the whole early Day 1 stuff but your final vote on Zipped isn't looking great for you. You claimed it was because the sudden surge towards Scrafty made you feel she was Town and therefore switched over to Zipped but you didn't explain why you moved your final vote there. Actually, you even kind of defended Zipped earlier when Karu first voted for him and that makes your sudden swap even weirder. What suddenly made you jump around and want to lynch Zipped? Also, this was a pretty quick turn around from this post here so I'm also curious as to what Roy did to make you change your mind because right now you look like a Scum who threw meaningless votes around to stay active. It wasn't one thing that Roy did but just the way that Roy posted after he was being voted more made me think that he was town. Then votes started to pile on Scrafty who I didn't suspect and Zipped was the only other candidate at the time. The "defense" of Zipped was never intended to be a defense, I knew that he didn't ask for spirit animals so I mentioned that. I was looking at the player list and realized that Launch or Pop could be the scum and we have nothing to accuse them with.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 9:19:31 GMT -8
I like the idea of a top five islanders, especially during day phase. It gives everyone an idea where your head is at.
With only 10 of us I'm not worried about overflowing a favorite person with bestowings, but eventually that will be a problem.
Hyper has come back and so have kalor, and apparently I missed lone prodigy from earlier.
vote: pop-o-matic
This is as much a prod vote as it is a meta-game vote. I really want to see both him and launch participate though.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jan 12, 2016 9:30:07 GMT -8
You think he's island? Holy shit Swamped, pls Uh, who exactly are you referring to lol? Zpped is confirmed island
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Post by Swamped on Jan 12, 2016 9:35:51 GMT -8
Uh, who exactly are you referring to lol? Zpped is confirmed island Well, can we really say that? We all got new PMs when we got to the afterlife. All i can say with certainty is that Zipped was Island when he was alive (and even that is slightly ambiguous because he claims he PM changed from ordinary to Outsider. What if our first lynch had been an Evil Spirit, would they also have changed to an Outsider? Evil Outsider? Fwiw I believe Zipped's story though, no reason not to)
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -8
Launch has dropped out, will be replaced ASAP. For obvious reasons this is being handled covertly
Pop posted yesterday, but will be prodded if he doesn't post in this Day phase.
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Post by karu on Jan 12, 2016 10:06:48 GMT -8
Zpped is confirmed island Well, can we really say that? We all got new PMs when we got to the afterlife. All i can say with certainty is that Zipped was Island when he was alive (and even that is slightly ambiguous because he claims he PM changed from ordinary to Outsider. What if our first lynch had been an Evil Spirit, would they also have changed to an Outsider? Evil Outsider? Fwiw I believe Zipped's story though, no reason not to) I mean yeah, you said it yourself, but as of right now I see no reason to go down that road. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Eh. There is a caveat, though. 1.) He was the Outsider who got killed by his people, possibly flipping because he feels betrayed. (A reason I would put into the "reaching"-category, though tbf 2.) New PM restates the alignment as if some have changed.... Fuck, maybe? But I'm still hesitant to test this. We should concentrate on others first and foremost, otherwise we will end nowhere.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 10:11:40 GMT -8
Zpped is confirmed island Well, can we really say that? We all got new PMs when we got to the afterlife. All i can say with certainty is that Zipped was Island when he was alive (and even that is slightly ambiguous because he claims he PM changed from ordinary to Outsider. What if our first lynch had been an Evil Spirit, would they also have changed to an Outsider? Evil Outsider? Fwiw I believe Zipped's story though, no reason not to) Bolded emphasis is mine. This why I think most, if not all, of the people on the island are/were ordinary. Their role would have switched to Outsider, but their alignment would not have switched. Outsider, as a role splinter turned the first lynch into, works either way. scum probably still has at least 1 night kill, and I believe that dead scum will be given the ability to bestow their alive compatriots an exorcism ability (that ability and potentially being coupled with still being able to post in their scum thread, means that we still need to be vigilant).
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 12, 2016 10:17:45 GMT -8
This why I think most, if not all, of the people on the island are/were ordinary. Their role would have switched to Outsider, but their alignment would not have switched. Outsider, as a role splinter turned the first lynch into, works either way. I agree with this point, the first lynch would probably always have caused a lot of death just to populate this side game. Having a game of like 3 people would not work.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 12, 2016 10:19:04 GMT -8
Oh, i didn't realize Roy was dead too. Man i really need to do a better job of reading the OP
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:21:08 GMT -8
Hmmm. I'm feeling like Ridli is Town, a really frustrated Townie, but I think he's fine. Gut feeling. I would also like your Top 5 Islanders from the main game. I think if everyone posts theirs, it will help us scum hunt in here (gives us more discussion points). It will also give an indication of who you are likely to BESTOW powers on. Remember that each player on the Island can only have up to three powers. And you can accidentally bestow power upon Evil Spirits! As much as I really really love reads lists I'm going to withhold mine for the time being. We may end up overloading someone with powers but we still don't know if Scum can chat with their team or not and if they still can they can just relay who might be getting the most powers and target that person for a kill. Until we get a confirmed Scum flip here and figure out if they have a secret chat or not I'm not risking it. The massive defense around Scrafty bothers me. It seems every single time someone mentions 'maybe let's lynch her' you get 2 or 3 people saying why that's maybe not the best without giving concrete reasons as to why that is. Maybe I was not as clear with my reasons against her as I originally thought I was but that still doesn't excuse her defense squad ( Sorian, Roy, Corn ). Sorian and Roy are really bugging me, namely because both are still around and their posts haven't sat right with me today, they feel 'off'. Regardless, that's a focus for when night falls and when a kill must be decided. I want to focus on now, in this ethereal room filled with ghosts, because so far we have done little to really get things going here in order to find our Scum ghost. That's not good. Vote: Kalor I'm not going to retread ground with the whole early Day 1 stuff but your final vote on Zipped isn't looking great for you. You claimed it was because the sudden surge towards Scrafty made you feel she was Town and therefore switched over to Zipped but you didn't explain why you moved your final vote there. Actually, you even kind of defended Zipped earlier when Karu first voted for him and that makes your sudden swap even weirder. What suddenly made you jump around and want to lynch Zipped? Also, this was a pretty quick turn around from this post here so I'm also curious as to what Roy did to make you change your mind because right now you look like a Scum who threw meaningless votes around to stay active. It wasn't one thing that Roy did but just the way that Roy posted after he was being voted more made me think that he was town. Then votes started to pile on Scrafty who I didn't suspect and Zipped was the only other candidate at the time. The "defense" of Zipped was never intended to be a defense, I knew that he didn't ask for spirit animals so I mentioned that. I was looking at the player list and realized that Launch or Pop could be the scum and we have nothing to accuse them with. How do you feel about Roy now then, after everything that has happened so far? Same with Scrafty and I would also like a read on Sorian and Nin.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:22:27 GMT -8
Whoa wait, time out.
Roy how are you here.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:23:14 GMT -8
Oh, i didn't realize Roy was dead too. Man i really need to do a better job of reading the OP Roy is still alive in the main thread.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 12, 2016 10:23:39 GMT -8
Oh, i didn't realize Roy was dead too. Man i really need to do a better job of reading the OP Yeah, actually Roy is still in the main game too....... What's....what's going on...
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 10:35:14 GMT -8
This why I think most, if not all, of the people on the island are/were ordinary. Their role would have switched to Outsider, but their alignment would not have switched. Outsider, as a role splinter turned the first lynch into, works either way. I agree with this point, the first lynch would probably always have caused a lot of death just to populate this side game. Having a game of like 3 people would not work. Roytheone... what the hell!?!?! you are still in the main game... gafia.boards.net/post/18545/thread
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 10:35:56 GMT -8
PLEASE STAND BY
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 10:36:06 GMT -8
Since he is still alive...
Roy you have some explaining to do.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 10:38:06 GMT -8
Just kidding (Sorry I know I shouldn't joke)
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:43:03 GMT -8
Damn it Splinter, that actually scared me there for a bit. :(
But yo Roy
what's up
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Post by Swamped on Jan 12, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -8
Now i know why they call this a 'bastard' game
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 10:51:07 GMT -8
OK all roles on the island are ordinary just went out the window... Obviously Roy is a PR, he just chose to reveal himself now...
Makes me wonder, Obviously we can view this thread and post, and view the other thread (but not post). Is Roy able to post and view this thread all the time, or just at certain points?
OK, Who wants to Bestow on Roy tonight? I think he may be fairly safe from a town PR point of view. My reasons:
1: he is Town and can randomly (or even not so randomly) come into this thread and see what we are discussing/post. Could bring information back from the great beyond but may not. Scum Likely would NOT have this ability if they are able to post both in scum thread after they die.
2: He is scum, and dead scum can NOT post in the scum thread after they die.
personally, 1 makes a lot more sense to me. BUT it opens him up for night scum kills if scum can still post in scum thread. 2 makes him posting in here a lot safer, but it makes his role a lot less useful (because why would live scum need to know what we are doing if they can't influence us OTHER than Roy). and if Roy really got out of line, WE could night kill him.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 12, 2016 10:51:54 GMT -8
Oh god i retract what i said about Xam before. He feels really scummy right now, that bangwagon vote.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Jan 12, 2016 10:55:56 GMT -8
I realized that my vote for Pop didn't count.
vote: Pop-O-Matic
Pop, you need to post, stuff is going down.
If Pop posts, then we need to figure out what we are going to do for banishing and our night action. The islanders look like they are getting itchy to kill Ridli, and I don't want us to have a sudden banishment.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 10:57:22 GMT -8
I won't end your phase early. If they want to turbo they'll just have a longer night
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:57:23 GMT -8
Oh god i retract what i said about Xam before. He feels really scummy right now, that bangwagon vote. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with his actions yesterday but I agree, that vote looks and feels awfully scummy. Ridli isn't doing himself any favors either but come on, why would a Scum ever pull what he is doing now?
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 10:59:29 GMT -8
I won't end your phase early. If they want to turbo they'll just have a longer night Thank you Almighty Volcano God.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 12, 2016 11:05:59 GMT -8
What's everyone's take on ridli? He's contributing, but also seems to have given up. If he's town he won't be much of a loss, and if he's scum that's a boon.
But given how the game has gone so far, if I was still alive I would be pretty frustrated too. There's nothing out there: one resurrection, one flip, one pile of bodies on N1.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 12, 2016 11:10:13 GMT -8
But on the other hand, he seems experienced and has said "I know how things go, I wouldn't do this etc." Not really a pro-town attitude.
To be honest he reminds me a bit of batsnacks in NX: experienced mafia player who didn't play well and was actually town.
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 12, 2016 11:18:18 GMT -8
Blargonaut - impossible to say at this point. His posts in the afterlife have not commented on the game proceedings, and neither did his posts in the main game. Could make a good banish candidate, or at least he's a good person to pressure. VOTE: Blargonaut All our deeds laid bare All our sins punishedI'm merely taking the time to acclimatize to my new habitat, k so, like, brb
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2016 11:23:39 GMT -8
But on the other hand, he seems experienced and has said "I know how things go, I wouldn't do this etc." Not really a pro-town attitude. To be honest he reminds me a bit of batsnacks in NX: experienced mafia player who didn't play well and was actually town. I know a couple people have said Gafia is much more aggressive and active compared to other forum mafia groups so I don't doubt Ridli's past experiences ( it would be a weird thing to lie about ) but merging those old play styles with this group might not be working well for him. Alignment-wise, I think he is Town but it's a pure gut feeling. His frustration now feels genuine because no matter what he was doing a couple people would call it a #scumtell and give him trouble no matter what. I don't agree with the timing of the roleclaim but I can see him throwing up his hands and saying 'I give up' out of frustration. If he does end up flipping Town I think that could actually really help us out, more so than LoC. It would net us a confirmed Townie here and it would allow us to look at those who pushed for his lynch because I fully believe Scum is eating this situation up. Sorian, Xam, Ultron, and a few others stick out already in my mind. If he ends up flipping Scum? Awesome, one step closer to victory. I don't think he will though.
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Post by karu on Jan 12, 2016 11:31:27 GMT -8
OK, Who wants to Bestow on Roy tonight? What? I think he may be fairly safe from a town PR point of view. My reasons: 1: he is Town and can randomly (or even not so randomly) come into this thread and see what we are discussing/post. Could bring information back from the great beyond but may not. Scum Likely would NOT have this ability if they are able to post both in scum thread after they die. I think he may have a similiar role as Sorian. Most of the stuff Sorian posted lines up with The Afterlife's OP when I don't miss something. The multiple scum faction-thing could be an additional lie. Dunno.
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